[19:11] <@Carth> i never knew Stolid was a big fan of hot summers
[19:33] <bithir> It is amazing the amount of obsession you seem to have over Stolid, Carth
[19:33] <@Stolid> because they dont mean the same thing
[19:34] <@Carth> for the purpose of what i was saying, it doesn't make much difference
[19:34] <@Stolid> ofc it does :s
[19:34] <@Carth> i thought you were someone who liked cold weather but you prefer it to be hotter, oh sorry (!) warmer
[19:34] <@Stolid> you are literally saying i like it to be hot
[19:34] <@Stolid> when i do not
[19:35] <@Carth> you do
[19:35] <@Stolid> no
[19:35] <@Carth> :s
[19:35] <bithir> Hrm
[19:35] <@Carth> have you changed your mind then
[19:35] <@Stolid> unless 15+ is hot now
[19:35] <@Carth> it is to me
[19:35] <bithir> Why do you consider yourself knowing more about the person you are speaking to, Carth?
[19:35] <@Stolid> well it isnt
[19:35] <bithir> It really annoys me
[19:36] <@Carth> sorry that you are annoyed bithir
[19:36] <@Carth> backup wasn't really needed
[19:37] <bithir> You even take the gift to tell try to imply someones sexuality just because they said "you can tell if you want too" - who the f*ck does do such a thing? So horrible rude
[19:37] <bithir> How is that for respecting someones privacy
[19:37] <@Carth> ?
[19:37] <bithir> Well, last time I was on IRC you were shouting and raging on how Stolid apparently was gay and it was your mission to tell his friends
[19:38] <@Carth> you have come to start a fight then
[19:38] <bithir> Proof of true friends
[19:38] <bithir> And you did not?
[19:38] <@Carth> nope
[19:39] <bithir> lol - everytime I see you speak you have something to say "this is how Stolid is"
[19:39] <bithir> Has Stolid lost the ability to type for you to be his spoke person
[19:39] <@Carth> i don't know, perhaps ask him if you are interested
[19:40] <bithir> No, I am sure if he feels to divulge me with details, he will type himself - or, I guess, I just need to ask you because you are so happy to tell others about anything you know
[19:40] <@Carth> !
[19:41] <@Carth> bithir i don't think you have all the facts here
[19:41] <bithir> No, I do not have all the facts - only what has been typed on my screen everytime I login to IRC.
[19:41] <@Carth> everyone is entitled to a defence and innocent before proven guilty
[19:41] <@Carth> whatever fnenu has been saying, i would take with a pinch of salt
[19:41] <bithir> Which have plainly been more than a little bit rude
[19:41] <bithir> No, I do not need fnenu to say anything
[19:41] <@Carth> i have to go now dinner is ready, but if you want to have a fight about this i will come back later
[19:42] <bithir> You are welcome
[19:43] <bithir> Last time I was on, you were shouting how "Stolid is gay and he said he I was allowed to say" - I can't really take that in any other way than you have absolutely no respect for anything, regardless if it is true or not
[19:44] <bithir> If someone posted loads of "rumours" about you - what the hell would you say then? Or is it just when it is done to others it makes it ok?
[19:49] <RuinatioN> im confused why there is a sudden change... it's been like that for at least 2yrs?
[19:49] <RuinatioN> always amuses me the carth stolid stuff
[19:49] <@fnenu> [19:41:30] <Carth> whatever fnenu has been saying, i would take with a pinch of salt  <--- I find that extremely insulting
[19:49] <bithir> Not been on much for two years - annoys the hell out of me the times I've been on
[19:50] <RuinatioN> well tbh fnenu.... look at it from his point of view and what bithir has just said
[19:50] <RuinatioN> why would bithir just randomly start on Carth
[19:50] <RuinatioN> especially as it's been that way for a long time with nothing been said till now
[19:50] <RuinatioN> just as an outside observation
[19:51] <bithir> I am also just doing an outside observation
[19:51] <@fnenu> Just get out.
[19:51] <RuinatioN> be it the case or not, it's how it would look
[19:51] <RuinatioN> not that i think that's the case but i can see why he would say it
[19:51] <@fnenu> You have the channel if you think it's ok for him to dismiss me completely out of hand like that
[19:51] * @fnenu (fnenu@82.152.157.11) has left #fnenu
[19:52] <bithir> I can't see what it is from his point of view - every time I login, he is rude to Stolid, while Stolid is composed and nice
[19:52] <RuinatioN> lol
[19:52] <RuinatioN> they're as bad to each other
[19:52] <RuinatioN> one feeds the other
[19:52] <RuinatioN> hence it amuses me
[19:52] <RuinatioN> they play off each other
[19:52] <RuinatioN> makes me chuckle
[19:52] <bithir> It does not amuse me
[19:52] <RuinatioN> takes 2 to tango :)
[19:53] <RuinatioN> one says something knowing it will be picked up and then it snowballs
[19:53] <bithir> Ah, but I never seen Stolid bite - he might have done
[19:53] <RuinatioN> i dont think the debates are aimed at making 1 side or the other bite or be angry
[19:53] <RuinatioN> as i mentioned they both do it and enjoy it otherwise one would have had a massive go
[19:54] <bithir> Not in my perception for sure
[19:54] <RuinatioN> be about more rather than take a side and stick to it
[19:55] <RuinatioN> it's not blatently obvious that u r picking a side tbh
[19:55] <bithir> Regardless, if I seen Stolid be rude in the same regards, I would chew him out too
[19:55] <RuinatioN> rather than seeing the whole story
[19:56] <RuinatioN> there is as much bating (or trolling) on carth in a demeaning way as there is from Carth on Stolid
[19:56] <RuinatioN> 6 of 1 and half dozen of the other
[19:57] <bithir> Well, as far as I can tell - if the behaviour of Carth is like it has been, I can't understand why
[19:59] * fnenu (fnenu@82.152.157.11) has joined #fnenu
[19:59] * Q sets mode: +o fnenu
[20:00] <Spikor> Gah, fnenu. Why are you back? I wanted to complain about you at bithir ^^
[20:00] <@fnenu> You know, Ruination, that regardless of whether I had said something to bithir or not, Carth has no right to speak to me like that about my husband.
[20:00] <@fnenu> to my husband*
[20:00] <@fnenu> about me*
[20:00] <RuinatioN> im not disagreeing with u
[20:00] <bithir> Spikor,  you are welcome to complain directly to me
[20:00] <RuinatioN> as i pointed out
[20:00] <Spikor> xD
[20:00] <@fnenu> I am absolutely furious about that.
[20:01] <RuinatioN> i just said, look at it from his point of view too
[20:01] <bithir> Yeah, because me chewing him out justifies him being rude to fnenu *cough* *cough*
[20:01] <RuinatioN> that's taking a cause from his point of view
[20:02] <@fnenu> I don't see that his point of view justifies that comment
[20:02] <RuinatioN> as pointed out, just coming on and taking a view when u r not about much as a self admission would lead him to think that someone had been complaining about him
[20:02] <RuinatioN> his logicial conclusion was fnenu
[20:02] <RuinatioN> which being married would be easy to come too
[20:02] <@fnenu> Why does that justify telling my husband that my word is worthless?
[20:03] <bithir> Nopes - me logging on and Carth being rude every single time rages me on.
[20:03] * bithir can rage without fnenu's involvement.
[20:03] <RuinatioN> but as i said... it's a view that could be easy to come to
[20:03] <@fnenu> So what?
[20:03] <RuinatioN> rightly or wrongly
[20:03] <RuinatioN> it's possible
[20:04] <@fnenu> Fine, he comes to the view but what does that have to do with anything?
[20:04] <RuinatioN> he was being defensive of why the sudden attack on him
[20:04] <@fnenu> Defensive by attacking me?
[20:06] <@fnenu> I can say that Bithir has never seen me as angry as I am over this.
[20:06] <Spikor> he is a fear biter?
[20:06] <bithir> I can vouch for that.
[20:06] <@fnenu> a what?
[20:06] <@fnenu> what's a fear biter?
[20:06] <bithir> Spikor, uh?
[20:06] <Spikor> Dogs in fear might bite
[20:07] <Spikor> I got such an idiot under my tabke atm :\
[20:07] <bithir> Ah, biting out of fear
[20:07] <Spikor> Yarrr
[20:07] <bithir> Scream when it bites you
[20:08] <Spikor> I wear  chain armor ^^
[20:08] <Spikor> Nah, he fears only other dogs
[20:09] <bithir> What race is it?
[20:09] <RuinatioN> fnenu - twist it round and think about someone randomly joining the channel and just attacking something that has been going on for years out the blue - i am sure the feeling is similar between the 2
[20:10] <RuinatioN> i think the choice of words should have been better though
[20:10] <Spikor> We think, its an Epagneul Breton
[20:10] <@fnenu> Stop justifying his position
[20:10] <RuinatioN> im not justifying anything
[20:10] <RuinatioN> im pointing at chalf and cheese
[20:10] <@fnenu> As for going on for 2 years? Really?
[20:10] <RuinatioN> pot calling kettle back
[20:10] <@fnenu> It's escalated with more and more lies
[20:10] <RuinatioN> +l
[20:10] <RuinatioN> well
[20:11] <RuinatioN> splitting hairs with the last one
[20:11] <RuinatioN> warm/hot
[20:11] <@fnenu> it isn't even that
[20:11] <RuinatioN> it could have been killed dead by Stolid saying - stop being stupid warm aint hot
[20:11] <RuinatioN> it's a based on a point of view
[20:11] <RuinatioN> is warm hotter than cold?
[20:11] <RuinatioN> discuss
[20:11] <@fnenu> It will never be killed dead by anything stolid says
[20:12] <RuinatioN> say the above clearly and wot arguement does he have?
[20:12] <RuinatioN> u have defined cold, warm, hot as a progression and Carth would look stupid to continue
[20:12] <@Carth> back
[20:12] <@fnenu> What do you mean, say it clearly? It was clear enough the first time before carth twisted it all
[20:13] <RuinatioN> sorry
[20:13] <RuinatioN> [20:11:48] <RuinatioN> is warm hotter than cold?
[20:13] <RuinatioN> [20:11:53] <RuinatioN> discuss
[20:13] <@fnenu> The original statement I mean
[20:13] <@fnenu> before all that
[20:13] <@Carth> bithir - there is a reason why "every time you logon" you see this stuff. You only come on when fnenu is upset or there is an argument
[20:13] <@Carth> you can't hold that against me
[20:13] <bithir> No, not true
[20:13] <@Carth> if you are only ever getting a glimpse of the bad
[20:13] <@Carth> and nothing else
[20:13] <bithir> I've been on quite a few times the last weeks
[20:14] <bithir> And every time I check my backlog you seem to be the one behaving as an ass
[20:14] <bithir> I would have chewed you out way way earlier if I've been on when you were active
[20:15] <@Carth> you think i have been terrorising the chan for years?
[20:15] <bithir> I have no clue about that
[20:15] <bithir> I can only go for what you obviously said when I was logged on
[20:15] <@Carth> because of 1 incident about the gay thing, which was a misunderstandaing on my part and i apologised to stolid for it. And furthermore stolid gives as good or worse than he gets, particularly in other channels
[20:15] <@Carth> you are being very unfair
[20:15] <bithir> No, I am not being unfair
[20:15] <@Carth> you are
[20:15] <@Carth> you are jumping to conclusions
[20:16] <bithir> What would the situation be for you to be telling someone about someone elses sexuality?
[20:16] <bithir> What makes that right_
[20:16] <bithir> That is blantant disrespect of anyone, as far as I can tell
[20:16] <@Carth> i asked him if it was ok
[20:16] <bithir> and Stolid was not biting, but you kept going on and on about it for screenfulls
[20:16] <bithir> AND THAT MAKES IT OK?
[20:16] <@Carth> if he agrees to it yes
[20:16] <bithir> You must be a bigger ass than I thougth
[20:16] <@Carth> ?!
[20:17] <@Carth> permission makes it 100% ok yes
[20:17] <@Carth> explain how it doesn't
[20:17] <bithir> So if someone in real life said "I am gay" you say "oh, can I tell about it?", you would serious run to his friends to say it?
[20:17] <@Carth> and stop calling me an ass
[20:17] <@Carth> if he agreed
[20:17] <bithir> I can't really see how I can interpret it otherwise
[20:17] <@Carth> if he said no, ofc not
[20:17] <bithir> Really?
[20:17] <bithir> man, you have no respect for anyone
[20:17] <@Carth> what?
[20:17] <@Carth> i don't understand
[20:18] <RuinatioN> calling him an ass is showing respect?
[20:18] <bithir> Nopes, not really, not claiming to be respectful now
[20:18] <@Carth> privacy is a person's right, if they give you permission then they do not desire that privacy
[20:18] <RuinatioN> pot.... kettle... etc
[20:18] <@Carth> by asking permission you are fully respecting their privacy
[20:18] <@Carth> you are acting on their wishes
[20:18] <bithir> You are seriously saying that you would do that?
[20:18] <bithir> No, you are not!
[20:18] <@Carth> what?
[20:19] <bithir> Permission != demand
[20:19] <@Carth> request
[20:20] <@Carth> stop making things up, and jumping to conclusions
[20:20] <bithir> Regardless, Stolid was here, in this channel, if he wanted it known, he could have said it himself, right?
[20:20] <@Carth> So if someone in real life said "I am gay" you say "oh, can I tell about it?" <---- how is this a demand
[20:20] <bithir> No, that is not the demand
[20:20] <@Carth> if he didn't want it known, he could say that
[20:21] <bithir> The concept to going out to a group of friends afterwards is.
[20:21] <@Carth> i can see that you are angry, but you need to be realistic and logical about this
[20:21] <@fnenu> lol
[20:21] <@Carth> i most definitely did do something wrong, but nothing of what you are saying
[20:21] <@fnenu> oh so funny
[20:21] <@Carth> and quite frankly i'm very unimpressed
[20:21] <@fnenu> and ridiculous
[20:21] <@Carth> i thought you were better than this attack
[20:21] <bithir> We are two that are unimpressed
[20:23] <@Carth> i cannot speak my mind for various reasons
[20:23] <@Carth> but please, tell me what you want me to do
[20:23] <RuinatioN> shut up and chill out
[20:24] <Spikor> +1
[20:24] <@Carth> or better, fnenu can tell me, rather than ignoring me and then setting her attack dog on me, and i have no idea what is wrong
[20:24] <A`dmnc> Can I shut up and chill out too?
[20:24] <bithir> fnenu did not set me on you - you set me on you
[20:24] <RuinatioN> A`dmnc - aint u a pro at that? :)
[20:24] <A`dmnc> Yup :)
[20:24] <@Carth> you randomly joined at that moment
[20:24] * A`dmnc goes back to doing what he does best
[20:24] <bithir> I've always randomly joined
[20:24] <RuinatioN> lol
[20:24] <RuinatioN> Carth
[20:24] <@Carth> sorry but i don't believe you
[20:24] <Spikor> lol, dmnc
[20:25] <RuinatioN> there is some advice u should heed
[20:25] <@Carth> it is not the first time you happen to join when there is an argument
[20:25] <RuinatioN> still not heeding
[20:25] <@fnenu> and yet another person is a liar in your book, carth. I don't think you'd know the truth if it jumped up and bit you.
[20:25] <bithir> Hmmm.... Keep on disrespecting my wife and you will make me more angry
[20:26] <@Carth> keep on disrespecting me... and i will not resort to insulting you back
[20:26] <RuinatioN> Carth
[20:26] <RuinatioN> ffs man
[20:26] <@Carth> but i will lose respect
[20:26] <RuinatioN> shut the fuck up and chill out