Hey!
I totally agree with dream.


[SPOILER= Thoughts about FullCeus legality]

A quick note to start, but I think that the restricted Arceus (only 100EV on all stats) solution shouldn't be focused too much, only FullCeus should be discussed. Ban non-restricted Arceus but allow the restricted Arceus (is) seems like a terrible lack of consistency and simplicity, an important aspect of Smogon rules. History shows us that this type of ban should be avoided (Example: Baton Pass, I think it is safe to say, BP "PS" nerf didn't change the fact bp remains broken and have been finally fully banned in SM).


In my opinion, FullCeus is legal like Farceus, since Level 80 Hall of Origin (=FullCeus) exists in the game. Not even DPP data but DPP games themselves so it is something planned by Game Freak, basically if GF has decided to release Azure Flute it would be 100% legal. It is something rare (I think that only Darkrai and Shaymin were in the same case? And both were allowed according Fireburn).

At this point, I will quote something of our past Ubers Tier Leader, Fireburn, from the old thread about DPP Arceus legality :


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As far as I can tell from combing through old PR threads (a trip through memory lane if there ever was one), we follow a simple banning philosophy at our core : whatever is legally obtainable in-game without the help of an external cheating device (example : using a Gameshark to get Wonder Guard Spiritomb or Sheer Cold Machamp) is fair game unless it is explicitly banned by our ruleset. Glitches fall under this definition, and usually they have only been prohibited if they are significantly detrimental to competitive balance or just play in general (Acid Weather, Mimic Glitch, glitchmons in rby). The rationale for allowing the Darkrai and Shaymin obtainable via the tweaking glitch is that they are fully obtainable within the confines of the game itself, without the aid of an external cheating device, and it is possible to start a multiplayer battle with these Pokemon once obtained. This was previously not thought to be possible with the Hall of Origin Arceus, but we now have conclusive proof that it was in fact possible the whole time, ergo it should be allowed under the same rationale that Darkrai and Shaymin were allowed.


(Note that there isn't a thread I could find titled "Darkrai and Shaymin are now unbanned", but from reviewing the old PR stuff there is enough to indicate they were allowed.)

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The glitch that allows catching Arceus doesn't use "external cheating" to bring the player to Arceus and start a multi-players battle, and, on the other hand, does not "significantly detrimental to competitive balance". It is all good!

I'm not familiar at all with the NP Gengar mentioned by M Dragon but after some research, I can see that the bug allows any pokemon to learn any move (see the description of the glitch), it easily falls under this "prohibited if they are significantly detrimental to competitive balance". By this, I mean, we can't compare the glitch that allows to catch HOO Arceus, which (HOO Arceus I mean, not the glitch himself) is created by GF, with the one that allows to get absolutely every pokemons... every moves.


Tl;dr Level 80 HOO Arceus IS legal, and shouldn't be "banned" because we are using a glitch.

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Talking about Arceus or not :

I often play DPP Ubers (so without Arceus), and I am opposed at the introduction of Arceus in DPP Ubers, for two (majors) reasons :


* Considering how the metagame will change after its introduction - we are basically adding 17 720 BST pokemon. The classic DPP Ubers would be changed forever, and as well as this the 3 generations after DPP's end. This fact makes me feel confused about why option 1 is selected in case no option is clearly liked. Introducing Arceus only now would be like if we unban Mega-Rayquaza in ORAS, creating a totally new (broken) metagame after the generation end. Moreover, it would be in challenge-only, let make temporary RoA spotlights ladder aside. I suppose this metagame, FullCeus or FarCeus, can't reasonably develop and we will have a hard time to gain public samples, resources to help newer players etc.

Some people will maybe say that there are some low tiers who have been created after the end of generation like DPP PU, but these metagames are actively supported by the community and were even created by players. I believe that this is not the case for Full/FarCeus DPP Ubers. Like what dream said on this thread or Hugendugen on the old thread, the player base don't particularly like Full/FarCeus and prefer the current DPP Ubers.

I think that it worth mentioning that classic DPP Ubers is the only generation of Ubers who have been in Smogon Tour and this without Arceus. The current DPP Ubers is a unique tier, even on overall Smogon, and I feel that it should be preserved.

* All the Arceus-forms in DPP are unhealthy and potentially broken would result in a less enjoyable metagame. This point is a bit tricky due to the Ubers policy at this moment but I simply agree with steelskitty and dream here, I don't have many things to add to their statements. Just one more point, unlike BW and later gens, it is extremely difficult to guess the Arceus-type, since Team Preview is removed (for example, "oh my opponents don't have any Yveltal check except Arceus so I expect that it is Fairy or Dark Arceus" or something like this in USUM).


tl;dr my preference would go for the Option 3, KEEP ARCEUS BANNED (or officially ban Arceus it is the same thing)


Posting here on the PR is a bit intimidating because I know I'm not exactly the most legitimate person to say such things since my level isn't high compared at most of the people who posted here. But whatever our opinion about Arceus in DPP Ubers, since it could be the final thread about this, I believe that we need to have high participation and it is what has motivated to post here. Thank for reading!