GearToday at 3:02 AM
Of course
Grumpy man ZeroToday at 3:02 AM
I love MMA, but it is the worst nonsport populated by horrible people and fanboyed by the lowest degenerate scum
GearToday at 3:02 AM
But yeah, that’s where I was coming from Bob, no offense was meant.
emperorbobToday at 3:02 AM
I dunno it's
I dont mean to be offensive myself here but
you just fall into patterns ive seen a lot of GMs fall into
and I timed joining up with new members just to see how you other new ones
I do this as a check in all games to see how things are run
GearToday at 3:03 AM
:fish~1:
Nani
emperorbobToday at 3:03 AM
I dont know the people but I can
safely assume they have the same respect level as I do
GearToday at 3:03 AM
Well geez
You just had to pick the only crop of new people to ever give us trouble
emperorbobToday at 3:04 AM
I dunno I just dont see why these things SHOULD cause trouble
which is why im hesitant
GearToday at 3:04 AM
Look
emperorbobToday at 3:04 AM
id have killed for a guy like Menhir in like
my last 20 games
GearToday at 3:04 AM
I’ve been running games for 15 years
Grumpy man ZeroToday at 3:04 AM
btw I once gave a Bleach game a collective conniption by actually putting effort in writing and it was TLDR for em
MKToday at 3:04 AM
o/
Grumpy man ZeroToday at 3:04 AM
That was fun
Bleach fans quite literally could not read
emperorbobToday at 3:04 AM
nd ive been running/doing for 20
this isnt a pissing contest
with that much time under your belt id assume you'd be better at handling new people
MKToday at 3:05 AM
What's the issues?
GearToday at 3:05 AM
This may shock you
emperorbobToday at 3:05 AM
I'd like to know that myself but I'm just kinda
out of the loop it seems
GearToday at 3:06 AM
But this is the first time in ages there even was an issue.
emperorbobToday at 3:06 AM
that doesnt lead me to think youve had a handle ont hings, just that youve
Grumpy man ZeroToday at 3:06 AM
Okay ONE LAST THING
GearToday at 3:06 AM
And it’s because there happened to be one guy who was a massive asshole.
emperorbobToday at 3:06 AM
not had people thathink differently than you
Grumpy man ZeroToday at 3:06 AM
That could be because again, niches within niches
GearToday at 3:06 AM
Believe you me
There are many who think differently from me
emperorbobToday at 3:06 AM
nott hat ive seen.
GearToday at 3:06 AM
That’s not the issue
Grumpy man ZeroToday at 3:06 AM
No offense you've a solid usercount but it's also not a super bustling site/server, which I prefer all told
emperorbobToday at 3:06 AM
at least int his context
GearToday at 3:07 AM
The issue is attitude and behavior
emperorbobToday at 3:07 AM
if it's something i've picked up in 20 years of doing things
GearToday at 3:07 AM
I don’t actually care how good a writer is if they cause constant problems
emperorbobToday at 3:07 AM
it's being a decent judge of character
Grumpy man ZeroToday at 3:07 AM
So when things are kept kinda insular, it tends to create a fairly homogeneous userbase
emperorbobToday at 3:07 AM
and you seem tot hink he's out to get you or something
and that's kinda silly
nobody put thats much work into a writeup for something he intends to demolish
GearToday at 3:09 AM
I don’t know if you noticed
But that dude was giving the pointy bits to everyone
emperorbobToday at 3:09 AM
and im not saying it's a bad thing if you dont want somebody here just
let us knwo we're second class citizens
GearToday at 3:09 AM
Which was kind of the issue
emperorbobToday at 3:09 AM
or in his case, third
GearToday at 3:09 AM
I don’t mind if people disagree
emperorbobToday at 3:09 AM
I just want transparency here
GearToday at 3:10 AM
I’m being honest, and transparent.
Grumpy man ZeroToday at 3:10 AM
I'm an outlier because somehow I get along just fine pretty much anywhere but I've been fine with the guy
Even if I've said yea he could stand to be less intense
GearToday at 3:10 AM
There are no second class citizens, and that’s quite the outrageous statement to make.
emperorbobToday at 3:10 AM
well thats how ive been made to feel anyway
XekuZweiToday at 3:10 AM
He seemed to have zero interest in engaging with the board at large. Whoever said he intended to run his own sub-game while taking advantage of the userbase hit the nail squarely on the head.
emperorbobToday at 3:10 AM
I can watch a little longer I suppose
I find his more engaging than anything else going on, to be fair
and I cant say I like the guy either
I just odnt dislike him
GearToday at 3:11 AM
Then I think we can safely drop the issue.
emperorbobToday at 3:12 AM
you can drop it, but the issue will remain
but if I was treated like that i'd be an asshole too, I suppose
wel no that's a lie I dont have the motivation for that
the key is to not put myself in a situation to be treated like that I
think thats where he and I differ
Grumpy man ZeroToday at 3:13 AM
Someone trying to set up a massive sandbox for people to do things in hardly seems like he's trying to run his own thing, given he didn't come in with A Plot or anything ultimately major?
GearToday at 3:13 AM
Here’s the thing
Grumpy man ZeroToday at 3:13 AM
>Mars is kinda just there and is lawless that's what we got
>Okay here's some rad ass heavy metal Mars shit people can play around in
GearToday at 3:13 AM
Stop.
emperorbobToday at 3:13 AM
why do we memetext off 4chan?
Grumpy man ZeroToday at 3:14 AM
It's become habit to mark sentences
emperorbobToday at 3:14 AM
- I prefer this, myself
GearToday at 3:14 AM
Bottom line, no more on the issue because we’re just going in circles.
emperorbobToday at 3:14 AM
the bottom line is what you say goes, to be more to the point
and I can dig that I just
wanted that said from the start
GearToday at 3:15 AM
How we run things may not be how you prefer.
emperorbobToday at 3:15 AM
so I know better than to try
if you dont want outside ideas this is fine, just tell me
GearToday at 3:15 AM
But don’t you dare imply that I would treat my members as second class citizens.
emperorbobToday at 3:15 AM
well I mean ive seen it
and Im feeling it
and here comes two people to squash what im saying down
to further back this up
XekuZweiToday at 3:16 AM
Calm down, Gear.
MKToday at 3:16 AM
Is there a point to the antagonistic approach emperorbob
emperorbobToday at 3:16 AM
its not antagonistic
its just what ive seen
XekuZweiToday at 3:16 AM
It is, though.
emperorbobToday at 3:16 AM
if its taken that way then I apologize
but I dont sugar coat the data
I just collect it
being jumped from three ways just futher backs up what I had suspected to boot
GearToday at 3:17 AM
If getting rid of an asshole is how you choose to interpret it
emperorbobToday at 3:17 AM
with being told im antagonistic to boot
Grumpy man ZeroToday at 3:17 AM
Anyway okay, I'd love to stay but I really need to sleep now I keep going longer than I should
MKToday at 3:17 AM
Then present it factually and with info
GearToday at 3:17 AM
Then your perspective is fucked.
emperorbobToday at 3:17 AM
yes, I have been
with that said Im
MKToday at 3:17 AM
Instead of stating "yes you have"
GearToday at 3:17 AM
Getting rid of people who cause disruptions is my job.
emperorbobToday at 3:17 AM
well aware im the next "Asshole" on the chopping block
yes but also saying "no he hasn't"
isnt amazingly compelling
when it runs counter to everything ive seen int he last week
I dont even dislike him, I dont even dislike what he's doing
but he is doing it
GearToday at 3:18 AM
You are offering your opinion, and it has been heard several times.
emperorbobToday at 3:18 AM
there were better ways to handle this than to try and set us against soembodyu for being an asshole
I dont like us vs them, and I never will
GearToday at 3:18 AM
Such as?
emperorbobToday at 3:19 AM
who has complained about him
XekuZweiToday at 3:19 AM
He set people against himself? It's not like anyone told MK or Lukas to dislike him.
GearToday at 3:19 AM
That’s not something I can give out.
MKToday at 3:19 AM
Innocent until proven guilty is one thing I stand by, so present your evidence of Gear handling you as you said, like third class citizens
emperorbobToday at 3:19 AM
sere thati s
the answer I expected
but
GearToday at 3:19 AM
What’s your solution Bob?
emperorbobToday at 3:19 AM
to hammer this point home:
he is no longer in the member list
from what I can see
see either he was kicked, or you bullied him until he left
XekuZweiToday at 3:19 AM
I wasn't even here but looking back I don't much care for his attitude either.
emperorbobToday at 3:20 AM
if he was here to be an asshole he wouldnt give up and pack it in before you try and say that
GearToday at 3:20 AM
This is
A very strange hill to die on indeed
emperorbobToday at 3:20 AM
and the fact you "cant tell me" says that I have no evidence to the contrary
so why choose to die on it?
its your game, play it the way you want
but dont blow smoke up my butt that what I say matters when Im very easily the next one to go
GearToday at 3:21 AM
You’re the one choosing to die on the hill, here.
emperorbobToday at 3:21 AM
no Im perfectly fine with how you operate
ive seen it before it's not anything horrible or shocking
XekuZweiToday at 3:21 AM
Then why are you making a huge deal out of it?
emperorbobToday at 3:21 AM
because he is
GearToday at 3:21 AM
When you say that though, you insert a very negative opinion on what that means, when it’s far from the case.
emperorbobToday at 3:22 AM
my opinion is based on how ive been treated and seen others treated
XekuZweiToday at 3:22 AM
He wanted to drop the subject though?
emperorbobToday at 3:22 AM
saying what ive formed is my fault is very handed
he wanted to drop the subject because he'll never admit to whah e's doing anyway
for reasons I dont get
GearToday at 3:22 AM
So what am I doing, then?
XekuZweiToday at 3:22 AM
^
GearToday at 3:22 AM
In no uncertain terms, please.
emperorbobToday at 3:22 AM
the fact two very specific people are coming here to also fight this battle kind of backs up what ive suspected
some people matter more than others becaues theyre your friends
and good that you have good friends, by the way
XekuZweiToday at 3:23 AM
I would have spoken up earlier if I wasn't asleep?
GearToday at 3:23 AM
I have great friends.
I’m very grateful for them.
MKToday at 3:23 AM
Yeah, sorry I woke up I guess
emperorbobToday at 3:23 AM
but you claim to be open to ideas but when somebody posts something substantial you call them an asshole
XekuZweiToday at 3:23 AM
I mean, look
emperorbobToday at 3:23 AM
overly defensive about things you should be open about
and in general very dismissive of new player ideas
XekuZweiToday at 3:24 AM
I've shit on Gear plenty when he was out of line, believe me
emperorbobToday at 3:24 AM
despite claiming you wanted them
such as?
GearToday at 3:24 AM
You’ve already been rebuffed on those points.
XekuZweiToday at 3:24 AM
but in this case he isn't
emperorbobToday at 3:24 AM
ive been told I was wrong with no basis
just that you assure me im wrong
GearToday at 3:24 AM
Zero, a new player, had his ideas included.
emperorbobToday at 3:24 AM
and im a man that deals in facts
GearToday at 3:24 AM
Why don’t you address that?
You could also ask about the history of new players being integrated.
XekuZweiToday at 3:25 AM
I will be perfectly happy to explain that to you later, shoot me a pm or something
GearToday at 3:25 AM
Why do you ignore that? To support your narrative?
emperorbobToday at 3:25 AM
I 'll take you up on that
MKToday at 3:25 AM
Well, I am gonna eat breakfast so see you in a bit
emperorbobToday at 3:25 AM
it's more like you're supporting your own narrative something entirely superficial
GearToday at 3:25 AM
Enjoy your hagelslag
XekuZweiToday at 3:25 AM
but for now I gotta go to work which is why I'm up at 3:30 freakin' am
emperorbobToday at 3:25 AM
or possibly because you just like him better
ive not worked that out just yet
GearToday at 3:25 AM
Why don’t you address my points?
MKToday at 3:26 AM
It actually is and I will
emperorbobToday at 3:26 AM
why don't you address MY points?
instead of saying drop the subject when you don't want to deal with something
GearToday at 3:26 AM
I’m still waiting on your answers.
emperorbobToday at 3:26 AM
I'm still waiting on your answers.
see, the first issue
GearToday at 3:26 AM
Q: If new players  are discriminated against, explain Zero’s treatment?
emperorbobToday at 3:27 AM
is thay ou assume ive not had a pow wow with zerohex
and he doesnt feel represented either
this is why he started with something incredibly minor
he knew his major ideas would be shot down
and let menhir test the waters, as I did
now, your turn
GearToday at 3:27 AM
Yet Zero’s ideas were included
emperorbobToday at 3:27 AM
and ive yet to see why youd included some people over others it
may go back to favorites
GearToday at 3:28 AM
And I can’t speak to his larger ones yet, because we haven’t heard it.
Why are you ignoring the point?
emperorbobToday at 3:28 AM
why ARE you ignoring the point?
GearToday at 3:28 AM
Zero was included because... he wasn’t being an ass. It’s really that simple.
emperorbobToday at 3:29 AM
deflection is unbecoming and zero hex certainly doesnt feel included
GearToday at 3:29 AM
Why do you not understand that?
emperorbobToday at 3:29 AM
because ive yet to see anybody being an ass until me right now
and I happen to have something about peopl running off others
because they dont like their ideas
GearToday at 3:29 AM
Do you feel I ran him off unjustly?
emperorbobToday at 3:29 AM
more than a few people do.
GearToday at 3:29 AM
Such as?
emperorbobToday at 3:29 AM
cant say!
GearToday at 3:30 AM
Then they’re free to bring it up to me aside.
emperorbobToday at 3:30 AM
not if they want their ideas included, apparently
GearToday at 3:30 AM
Why do you feel he is above the rules?
emperorbobToday at 3:30 AM
which was the prevailing opinion here
people are kinda afraid of you
and the difference is im not
so im the one speaking
ゴゴゴゴToday at 3:31 AM
"People"
Clarify.
emperorbobToday at 3:31 AM
just like "people" complained about menhir but
out glorious leader wont clarify
GearToday at 3:31 AM
Where is your answer?
emperorbobToday at 3:31 AM
where is your answer?
GearToday at 3:31 AM
Why do you feel Menhir is above the rules?
emperorbobToday at 3:31 AM
I dont?
ゴゴゴゴToday at 3:31 AM
Here's the thing, as the board admin, he's going to be the person getting the complaints.
emperorbobToday at 3:31 AM
why would anybody be above the rules?
yes but when youre afraid of board admin
ゴゴゴゴToday at 3:32 AM
And if anyone that made complaints wants to come forward, they can.
emperorbobToday at 3:32 AM
who do you complain to?
GearToday at 3:32 AM
Then why do you contest that he was banned for violating them?
emperorbobToday at 3:32 AM
the other new people you feel as also being assaulted
what rule did he violate?
ゴゴゴゴToday at 3:32 AM
But you? Who are you? Why would people be secretly coming to you to tell you they're afraid of Phal?
GearToday at 3:32 AM
Did you read the earlier announcement?
emperorbobToday at 3:32 AM
why would he make up people complaining about menhir when
zerohex alone is proof
GearToday at 3:32 AM
Rule #1
emperorbobToday at 3:32 AM
that he's terrified outsisde the safest possible route
lest he end up the same way
I myself dont expect to survive the morning but still
I didnt see an announcement, no, but ive been busy
GearToday at 3:33 AM
Then if you go back
emperorbobToday at 3:33 AM
can youc opy and paste it?
GearToday at 3:33 AM
You’ll see he was banned for violating the rules
emperorbobToday at 3:33 AM
and explain to me how he was, then
GearToday at 3:34 AM
If you go to your mentions
emperorbobToday at 3:34 AM
I am new to discord I have
no idea how any of this works
GearToday at 3:34 AM
It was a lengthy brick of text
emperorbobToday at 3:34 AM
can you just recopy?