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  1. danosphere [19:18]
  2. Hey guys sorry I'm still at work- my workload leading up to the holiday break ramps up exponentially so yes, this week has sucked
  3.  
  4. danosphere [19:18]
  5. and additionally there is legal chaos afoot that I can't disclose which we NEED to focus on- that has not changed the updated blockmarket date tho
  6.  
  7. danosphere [19:19]
  8. @johnd is the one working on the peg and yeah I'm primarly the one on blockmarket, alpha version still targeted for this coming Monday
  9.  
  10. danosphere [19:19]
  11. I have not been able to work on it recently due to the legal stuff, i mean I had to write a damn forensic tool to prove all our BTC was stolen, and not by a bug
  12.  
  13. danosphere [19:19]
  14. spending time coding things like that is not something is _want_ to do
  15.  
  16. sphericon [19:20]
  17. things are going quite slow at the moment in regards to development. It's understandable considering all the legal bullshit that you need to deal with. Perhaps we should look into getting more devs on staff that don't have to deal with legal stuff?
  18.  
  19. sphericon [19:20]
  20. things keep getting pushed back, and under the circumstances, it makes sense
  21.  
  22. sphericon [19:20]
  23. but that doesn't change the fact that the coin is not moving forward (at least that's the perception people are getting)
  24.  
  25. sphericon [19:22]
  26. and i feel really kind of bad saying this stuff because you've been really nice danosphere, and i'm sure you're just under a lot of stress with everything. But i have put real $$ into this thing too, and I'm starting to get a little stressed as well :wink:
  27.  
  28. danosphere [19:22]
  29. Yeah no i agree we should get some devs on staff- it sucks to sit down ready to move things forward just to check email and see I need to take 2 steps back
  30.  
  31. danosphere [19:23]
  32. I have put incredible amounts of real money into this, and over 8months of my life
  33.  
  34. sphericon [19:23]
  35. techo said he would pay a couple btc for a dev
  36.  
  37. sphericon [19:23]
  38. or perhaps you guys could put some of the bounties in for payment for a dev?
  39.  
  40. danosphere [19:23]
  41. we need to source a dev tho willing to work for the amount we can put together
  42.  
  43. sphericon [19:23]
  44. motivational SYS, as it were.
  45.  
  46. sphericon [19:23]
  47. sure.
  48.  
  49. danosphere [19:23]
  50. we can def commit SYS as well towards a dev
  51.  
  52. sphericon [19:23]
  53. i'm glad you're open to another dev
  54.  
  55. danosphere [19:23]
  56. so it could be BTC + SYS, we'll priovide the SYS
  57.  
  58. sphericon [19:23]
  59. i was afraid you'd be upset about it
  60.  
  61. danosphere [19:23]
  62. no not at all
  63.  
  64. sphericon [19:24]
  65. is coderboo sitting on the sidelines waiting for btc to come from moolah?
  66.  
  67. danosphere [19:24]
  68. its just hard to find and its impossible for me to look for a dev and do all the other *stuff*
  69.  
  70. sphericon [19:24]
  71. no commits since oct on github really :confused:
  72.  
  73. sphericon [19:24]
  74. i hear you.
  75.  
  76. sphericon [19:24]
  77. and i can imagine
  78.  
  79. danosphere [19:24]
  80. there are tho
  81.  
  82. danosphere [19:24]
  83. they are just in hidden projects
  84.  
  85. danosphere [19:24]
  86. private repos
  87.  
  88. danosphere [19:24]
  89. but still- we need more dev power
  90.  
  91. danosphere [19:24]
  92. we need another C++ dev and a strong web dev and we'd be set imo
  93.  
  94. sphericon [19:24]
  95. it wouldn't hurt if he said hi in chat/btc now and then either :wink:
  96.  
  97. sphericon [19:25]
  98. would probably do a lot for the community morale
  99.  
  100. sphericon [19:25]
  101. bct*
  102.  
  103. danosphere [19:25]
  104. yeah coderboo?
  105.  
  106. sphericon [19:25]
  107. yes
  108.  
  109. sphericon [19:25]
  110. ive never seen him speak
  111.  
  112. sphericon [19:25]
  113. ever
  114.  
  115. danosphere [19:25]
  116. lol uh, he lost his job cause of Syscoin so he's kinda focused on income
  117.  
  118. danosphere [19:25]
  119. and getting it back
  120.  
  121. danosphere [19:25]
  122. so you'll have to excuse him if he skips pleasantries most of the time
  123.  
  124. danosphere [19:25]
  125. he has a family :confused:
  126.  
  127. sphericon [19:25]
  128. btw, thanks for being so not upset about this
  129.  
  130. sphericon [19:26]
  131. some would have responded with defense
  132.  
  133. sphericon [19:26]
  134. but you are actually talking reasonably
  135.  
  136. danosphere [19:26]
  137. yeah no not upset at all, rather I support it and want to figure out how we can make it happen
  138.  
  139. danosphere [19:26]
  140. we certainly have enough people in the collective to help "Search" for someone
  141.  
  142. sphericon [19:26]
  143. yah
  144.  
  145. danosphere [19:26]
  146. and once we have someone who is legit we can easily vet them- @sphericon you know code and we can review their past work too thats no problemo
  147.  
  148. sphericon [19:26]
  149. and if you put it out that syscoin is expanding and looking for a dev
  150.  
  151. sphericon [19:27]
  152. perhaps the new PR guy could be announced as well
  153.  
  154. sphericon [19:27]
  155. and he could do the talking
  156.  
  157. danosphere [19:27]
  158. Yeah totally
  159.  
  160. sphericon [19:27]
  161. that would really show people that SYS is on the right track
  162.  
  163. sphericon [19:27]
  164. its all about perception.
  165.  
  166. danosphere [19:27]
  167. i think this is the kind of stuff that is good to talk about on the tcall this saturday (its lookin like)
  168.  
  169. sphericon [19:27]
  170. sure
  171.  
  172. sphericon [19:27]
  173. i know you're at work.
  174.  
  175. sphericon [19:27]
  176. you should not get yelled at again :wink:
  177.  
  178. danosphere [19:27]
  179. but something else to think about re: hiring dev
  180.  
  181. danosphere [19:27]
  182. yeah right lol
  183.  
  184. kamronk [19:27]
  185. I feel the call will help alot :simple_smile:
  186.  
  187. danosphere [19:28]
  188. is equity and payment- so like say we give them 1mil SYS or something but its based on deliverables
  189.  
  190. kamronk [19:28]
  191. It gives ppl the chance to get some real tim eimmediate communication
  192.  
  193. sphericon [19:28]
  194. makes sense, don't want somebody skipping town
  195.  
  196. sphericon [19:28]
  197. with sys
  198.  
  199. danosphere [19:28]
  200. we don't want to put up a huge SYS bounty for them to crush the market with it I guess thats my point
  201.  
  202. sphericon [19:28]
  203. already happened :wink:
  204.  
  205. sphericon [19:28]
  206. ahh ok
  207.  
  208. danosphere [19:28]
  209. and you want them to develop for SYS in a more long term sense
  210.  
  211. sphericon [19:28]
  212. right
  213.  
  214. danosphere [19:28]
  215. not do one lil thing for a big bounty, dump and leave
  216.  
  217. sphericon [19:28]
  218. for the record, i haven't sold a single sys, including bounty.
  219.  
  220. danosphere [19:29]
  221. so maybe its something where they get a equity stake, and % of that is paid out every month or week or whatever as they continue to commit / develop / do work
  222.  
  223. sphericon [19:29]
  224. i suppose the details could be worked out later
  225.  
  226. sphericon [19:29]
  227. the important part is doing an announcement of it
  228.  
  229. sphericon [19:29]
  230. officially
  231.  
  232. danosphere [19:29]
  233. if they need to take a vaca or something cool- their equity is still there but they just don't get paid out on those weeks or soemthing
  234.  
  235. sphericon [19:29]
  236. and talking about PR and PM
  237.  
  238. danosphere [19:29]
  239. yeah i agree
  240.  
  241. sphericon [19:29]
  242. that shit is marketing gold
  243.  
  244. sphericon [19:29]
  245. imo
  246.  
  247. danosphere [19:29]
  248. and we really gotta forumulate that plan on the call saturday imo
  249.  
  250. danosphere [19:30]
  251. cause if we all get aligned on it (collective level) then we can roll it out proper
  252.  
  253. sphericon [19:30]
  254. and that's something this team really needs help with imo, is marketing and perception
  255.  
  256. danosphere [19:30]
  257. if its only a few ppl who are aware or people aren unclear on the plan, won't be good
  258.  
  259. sphericon [19:30]
  260. agreed, and we want everyone on the same page as well
  261.  
  262. kamronk [19:30]
  263. I feel the marketing has to be timed right else we risk losing momentum as people try to use it and get frustrated/dissapointed
  264.  
  265. danosphere [19:30]
  266. @kamronk good point for sure
  267.  
  268. sphericon [19:30]
  269. kamronk, you're right. and i'm not the right one to manage that for sure, i'm terrible at that stuff
  270.  
  271. sphericon [19:31]
  272. i get ideas, and the other people are the ones that can make things happen :wink:
  273.  
  274. danosphere [19:31]
  275. thats where the call will help, we got good ppl here to help and as soon as legal is closed things will dramatically change
  276.  
  277. kamronk [19:31]
  278. That's the way it should work around the table :smile: we all present ideas, and the best ones are unanimously agreed upon
  279.  
  280. danosphere [19:31]
  281. but i totally agree we need to keep things moving (faster) in the interim
  282.  
  283. sphericon [19:31]
  284. dano, i know you can't say much about legal, but do you get a sense that legal won't go on forever?
  285.  
  286. danosphere [19:31]
  287. legal will definitely not go on forever
  288.  
  289. sphericon [19:31]
  290. cuz in the community's head, it is ongoing and will never stop
  291.  
  292. danosphere [19:31]
  293. 100%.
  294.  
  295. sphericon [19:32]
  296. and it is probably why price is diving too
  297.  
  298. danosphere [19:32]
  299. lol think about how it feels for me
  300.  
  301. kamronk [19:32]
  302. IMO a short time in legal = a long time IRL == uber long itme on the interwebz
  303.  
  304. sphericon [19:32]
  305. i know, you can't tell us
  306.  
  307. sphericon [19:32]
  308. and you probably have an answer that would make us happy
  309.  
  310. sphericon [19:32]
  311. ecstatic even
  312.  
  313. sphericon [19:32]
  314. but can't say a word
  315.  
  316. danosphere [19:32]
  317. yes and yes :-X
  318.  
  319. sphericon [19:32]
  320. so you have to spin what you *can* say
  321.  
  322. sphericon [19:32]
  323. which is discussing looking for dev
  324.  
  325. sphericon [19:32]
  326. talking about PM/PR
  327.  
  328. sphericon [19:32]
  329. etc
  330.  
  331. danosphere [19:32]
  332. and I have to be careful, fucking Ryan kennedy spies all over the place
  333.  
  334. sphericon [19:32]
  335. then if we get anything back in BTC that's just gravy
  336.  
  337. sphericon [19:33]
  338. yes, agreed, don't say anything.
  339.  
  340. kamronk [19:33]
  341. I worry that this is in general and not syscoin-collective (my opinion)
  342.  
  343. danosphere [19:33]
  344. we did win the winding up petition and we are working with a liquidator
  345.  
  346. danosphere [19:33]
  347. I can say that :simple_smile:
  348.  
  349. sphericon [19:33]
  350. awesome
  351.  
  352. danosphere [19:33]
  353. and liquidators be powerful ppl in UK
  354.  
  355. danosphere [19:33]
  356. they can reach into personal accounts, and just take the funds
  357.  
  358. kamronk [19:33]
  359. sounds intimidating lol
  360.  
  361. kamronk [19:33]
  362. "liquidator"
  363.  
  364. danosphere [19:33]
  365. but we just started working with them today so, will take some time to get that sorted but they are not to be messed with
  366.  
  367. kamronk [19:34]
  368. 'You're here to sell all my sheet and take my moneys'?????
  369.  
  370. techo051 [19:34]
  371. Awesome
  372.  
  373. danosphere [19:34]
  374. they get paid when we get paid == motivation
  375.  
  376. danosphere [19:34]
  377. Yep, and thanks! they say :wink:
  378.  
  379. kamronk [19:34]
  380. Nice
  381.  
  382. danosphere [19:34]
  383. yeah its just frustrating to not be able to code- im a damn coder
  384.  
  385. techo051 [19:35]
  386. Any idea how much it would cost to hire a decent c++ and web Dev for a few months?
  387.  
  388. danosphere [19:35]
  389. blockmarket is something im so excited about and it sucks to know its been f'n sitting there for a month
  390.  
  391. techo051 [19:35]
  392. Or would there be an ongoing need for them as well?
  393.  
  394. danosphere [19:35]
  395. im not sure tbh, and a key thing there would be vetting them enough to make sure they are legit
  396.  
  397. danosphere [19:35]
  398. lots of "coders" we need a real dev
  399.  
  400. sphericon [19:35]
  401. back for a sec-would it be ok to pastebin this and put on irc so people can see this chat? or is it not public...
  402.  
  403. danosphere [19:36]
  404. it should be contractual at first I think, 3months- and expand from there
  405.  
  406. danosphere [19:36]
  407. anything in #general can be posted publicly imo
  408.  
  409. danosphere [19:36]
  410. eventually we'll have the bridge setup so it just IS posted to IRC automatically
  411.  
  412. danosphere [19:36]
  413. and vice versa
  414.  
  415. sphericon [19:37]
  416. just wanted to make sure that i'm not doing anything that ppl don't want.
  417.  
  418. danosphere [19:37]
  419. @jonn4y is working with the liquidator since he is in the UK. Lol we were talking yesterday and I was like "Can you please handle this one- email this guy?". He was like "i'll just call him, np"
  420.  
  421. danosphere [19:37]
  422. I was like oh yea duh your like next door to him :simple_smile:
  423.  
  424. sphericon [19:37]
  425. what you've said in the last few minutes would go really far to make people feel good about syscoin.
  426.  
  427. danosphere [19:38]
  428. yeah feel free to share it- wish I could repost to IRC and all that but the boss... >:-|
  429.  
  430. sphericon [19:38]
  431. of course
  432.  
  433. sphericon [19:38]
  434. i will do what I can to transpose it.
  435.  
  436. sphericon [19:38]
  437. LOL
  438.  
  439. danosphere [19:40]
  440. alright i gotta get back to work and there is a company event tonight too (ye olde holiday party) so I prob won't be around tonight but I'll be on tomorrow and of course checking the collective group posts for the time we'll be talking on Saturday
  441.  
  442. danosphere [19:40]
  443. if you're part of the syscoin-collective please see my post there :simple_smile:
  444.  
  445. sphericon [19:40]
  446. cool
  447.  
  448. sphericon [19:40]
  449. thanks for chatting dude
  450.  
  451. sphericon [19:40]
  452. we appreciate it
  453.  
  454. danosphere [19:44]
  455. yeah no problem, sorry im not on here more at night i literally get home, shower/eat and then its legal work til 12a at the earliest (latest?) usually til 2a
  456.  
  457. danosphere [19:44]
  458. and doing that for a month sucks, but im comitted to this thing fully
  459.  
  460. danosphere [19:45]
  461. not just for getting the BTC back but for Syscoin, and what it can do and where it can take things
  462.  
  463. danosphere [19:45]
  464. so is coderboo, he talks with me literally everyday
  465.  
  466. danosphere [19:45]
  467. its just about legal crap right now, temporary condition and another dev will aid in that sense immensely
  468.  
  469. techo051 [19:45]
  470. Cool thanks dano
  471.  
  472. danosphere [19:47]
  473. np :simple_smile: back to to work for me, will be back soon as possible (and I always read what i've missed anyway, much as I can)
  474.  
  475. danosphere [19:47]
  476. gets back to the grind
  477.  
  478. sphericon [19:47]
  479. bye dano
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