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- (Bits and pieces of older conversations I've had with Big Mac. 2h interview comes after)
- [13/05/2013 11:41:44 PM] Legendary: there's only four people in the entire fandom that are older than me, and all have since left :<
- [13/05/2013 11:42:35 PM] Tom' /♥/: Ah well, the /b/ threads had four original namefags, Grannie !Smith, Big !Macintosh, Rainbro !Dash and the last that I forgot
- [13/05/2013 11:42:48 PM] Legendary: applejack
- [13/05/2013 11:42:59 PM] Tom' /♥/: There =p
- [13/05/2013 11:59:27 PM] Tom' /♥/: So I met Granny Smith, you and Rainbro Dash
- [13/05/2013 11:59:31 PM] Tom' /♥/: Just got AJ left
- [13/05/2013 11:59:39 PM] Tom' /♥/: And I will know the secret of your powers
- [13/05/2013 11:59:39 PM] Legendary: AJ's long gone v_v
- [13/05/2013 11:59:55 PM] Legendary: I haven't seen AJ since...april derpychat.
- ==(This is a complete, unedited, uncut conversation I had with Legendary, aka BigMcin!tosh, aka Ponychan's first !!Pinkie Pie, aka current MLPchan !!Big Mac.
- I thank him for his patience and answering my questions for 2 hours)==
- [12:29:36 AM] Tom': Hey Legendary
- [12:29:38 AM] Tom': got a moment?
- [12:29:57 AM] TimeFlowMovement: yeah
- [12:29:59 AM] TimeFlowMovement: what up?
- [12:31:01 AM] Tom': you know I'm interested in the early history of the fandom, on /b/ and /co/, I know "starshine tells it better" but the fact is starshine's almost never there
- [12:31:15 AM] TimeFlowMovement: fair enough
- [12:31:17 AM] Tom': Would you mind telling me your story, from the start?
- [12:31:22 AM] TimeFlowMovement: oh lord...
- [12:31:28 AM] Tom': Yes.
- [12:31:33 AM] Tom': lord indeed
- [12:31:34 AM] Tom': :3
- [12:31:40 AM] TimeFlowMovement: :P
- [12:31:54 AM] TimeFlowMovement: around setember I was watching tv and saw a commercial for ponies
- [12:32:11 AM] TimeFlowMovement: it had that really shitty looking vector of twilight and one in the same style for applejack
- [12:32:25 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I didn't pay much attention to it, but I have friends who are animators
- [12:32:33 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I didn't consciously realize it
- [12:32:44 AM | Edited 12:32:52 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but it was at this point that I wondered why there were ponies on my tv
- [12:33:11 AM] TimeFlowMovement: this would have been the first instance that I had seen ponies at all
- [12:33:41 AM] TimeFlowMovement: Around October, I was in a /b/ truth/dare thread (0-4 truth 5-9 dare)
- [12:33:59 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I rolled a dare, and my dare was to go to a board of someone elses choosing
- [12:34:12 AM] TimeFlowMovement: they chose /co/ and thus, for a week I had to go to /co/ every day instead of /b/
- [12:34:14 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I didn't post much
- [12:34:22 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but it was around this time that I saw the very first pony thread
- [12:34:30 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I remembered seeing it on tv
- [12:34:42 AM] TimeFlowMovement: so I went in and posted, famously getting the fith post in the thread
- [12:35:07 AM] TimeFlowMovement: (MUCH later, like a year and a half later, it came to my attention that the thread I was posting in were NOT the archive no pony threads)
- [12:35:18 AM] Tom': is there a cap of that anywhere?
- [12:35:19 AM] TimeFlowMovement: nope
- [12:35:23 AM] Tom': ah dammit
- [12:35:34 AM] TimeFlowMovement: the threads that were archived were done by archive!nopony
- [12:35:46 AM] TimeFlowMovement: the thread I was in had no archive of them ;-;
- [12:35:49 AM] TimeFlowMovement: now
- [12:35:57 AM] TimeFlowMovement: many people like to believe that I had taken the name big mac really early
- [12:36:25 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but the truth is that I didn't have the big mac name until the first or so thread on /b/
- [12:36:38 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but
- [12:36:43 AM] TimeFlowMovement: people knew who i was anyway
- [12:36:45 AM] Tom': Was that much later?
- [12:36:49 AM] TimeFlowMovement: because I avatar fagged as big mac
- [12:36:53 AM] TimeFlowMovement: yeah, it was a while
- [12:37:04 AM] Tom': like a month?
- [12:37:18 AM] TimeFlowMovement: the first threads on /b/ happened around the 2nd of the month
- [12:37:22 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I had found ponies on october 10th
- [12:37:31 AM] Tom': kk
- [12:37:35 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I avatared as big mac, and was one of the few who done so
- [12:37:41 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and my typing style was based off of his
- [12:37:45 AM] TimeFlowMovement: so people knew that it was me
- [12:37:51 AM] TimeFlowMovement: yyyyyyyup instead of eeeeeeeyup
- [12:37:59 AM] TimeFlowMovement: -3-
- [12:38:03 AM] Tom': Hah, got it
- [12:38:13 AM] Tom': but you took the name on /b/
- [12:38:16 AM] TimeFlowMovement: yeah
- [12:38:23 AM] TimeFlowMovement: the big gap in my timeline though
- [12:38:41 AM] TimeFlowMovement: was that I had been posting in the alice threads under the name VanGuard Prophet!(some random ass trip)
- [12:38:57 AM] TimeFlowMovement: after the alice threads, I went to go check back on the pony threads
- [12:39:05 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was welcomed with open arms upon my return
- [12:39:10 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I couldn't give you a date
- [12:39:19 AM] Tom': Around january?
- [12:39:23 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but it would have been sometime between the 12th and the 24th of jan
- [12:39:29 AM] Tom': all good
- [12:39:41 AM] TimeFlowMovement: the dark days were upon us
- [12:39:47 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but we didn't know
- [12:39:55 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and to be quite frank, it only powered our love even more
- [12:40:01 AM] TimeFlowMovement: converting more and more posters everyday
- [12:40:10 AM] TimeFlowMovement: they hated us, and we just loved them
- [12:40:20 AM] TimeFlowMovement: they gave us a common enemy to fight against
- [12:40:35 AM] TimeFlowMovement: we loved our ponies, and their hatred for us only made us stronger.
- [12:40:46 AM] TimeFlowMovement: eventually this all came crumbling down
- [12:41:00 AM] Tom': Yeah, and that was before the bans, even
- [12:41:03 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I didn't post a whole lot during the great banning, and I took my name off for it so that I wouldn't be banned
- [12:41:12 AM] TimeFlowMovement: bans started getting handed out a lot
- [12:41:22 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but, I was gone before the great wall of ban in march
- [12:42:08 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I had moved to derpychat, and from there (through rain bro dash, blazing starshine, and crimson risk, and last, but CERTAINLY not least, nature blossom) I found out about ponychan a while before it went public
- [12:42:18 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was given the private link a day or two before it went public
- [12:42:23 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and I made my first post on the 12th of feb
- [12:42:44 AM] Tom': Was it active before the bans?
- [12:42:48 AM] TimeFlowMovement: yes
- [12:42:50 AM] TimeFlowMovement: it was
- [12:42:54 AM] TimeFlowMovement: the ban storm happened in march
- [12:43:06 AM] TimeFlowMovement: ponychan happened in early feb, long before the great wall of bans
- [12:43:24 AM] Tom': I see. Where did its population come from ?
- [12:43:29 AM] TimeFlowMovement: /b/
- [12:43:34 AM] TimeFlowMovement: a tiny amount of /co/
- [12:43:35 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but mostly /b/
- [12:43:36 AM] TimeFlowMovement: oh
- [12:43:41 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and equestria daily, right at the start
- [12:43:50 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and derpyhoovesnews
- [12:44:16 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was made a janitor on the 18th I think? Of feb
- [12:44:20 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and then on march first I was made a mod
- [12:44:37 AM] TimeFlowMovement: severals things happened that are a long and stupid story, but I was fired on the 22nd and 23rd of march
- [12:44:43 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and it was at this point that I started posting in HAY
- [12:44:51 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and then, well..
- [12:44:53 AM] TimeFlowMovement: ponychan happened.
- [12:45:09 AM] Tom': You were fired from the staff o the 22nd? or your actual job?
- [12:45:26 AM] TimeFlowMovement: member of the staff of ponychan
- [12:45:31 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was unemployed at that point in my life
- [12:45:34 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was like, 14
- [12:45:41 AM] Tom': Hahah, all good
- [12:46:02 AM] Tom': At that point you weren't all that active on /b/ anymore right?
- [12:46:09 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I wasn't hardly at all
- [12:46:14 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I lurked but never posted
- [12:46:19 AM] TimeFlowMovement: watching aeris was fun -3-
- [12:46:22 AM] TimeFlowMovement: about a year later I came back
- [12:46:27 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I met you at that point.
- [12:46:31 AM] Tom': How was Ponychan?
- [12:46:36 AM] TimeFlowMovement: in it's early days?
- [12:46:37 AM] TimeFlowMovement: gold.
- [12:46:39 AM] TimeFlowMovement: fucking gold
- [12:46:43 AM] Tom': What went wrong?
- [12:46:47 AM] TimeFlowMovement: orange
- [12:46:56 AM] Tom': Who knew who he was? Who was he even?
- [12:47:01 AM] TimeFlowMovement: the admin
- [12:47:05 AM] TimeFlowMovement: everyone knew he was the admin
- [12:47:05 AM] Tom': I know that
- [12:47:10 AM] Tom': I mean where did he come from
- [12:47:14 AM] TimeFlowMovement: we...
- [12:47:16 AM | Edited 12:47:20 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I don't know to be honest
- [12:47:26 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I heard he was making a chan
- [12:47:30 AM] TimeFlowMovement: in derpychat
- [12:47:38 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I don't recall ever seeing his name on /b/ or /co/
- [12:47:52 AM] Tom': Apparently he was a lurker on /b/. I should ask him myself.
- [12:47:57 AM] Tom': anyway
- [12:47:58 AM] TimeFlowMovement: that sounds right
- [12:48:03 AM] Tom': So what went wrong with orange?
- [12:48:17 AM] TimeFlowMovement: on july first
- [12:48:21 AM] TimeFlowMovement: as per oranges rules
- [12:48:27 AM] TimeFlowMovement: /oat/ had a crack down happen
- [12:48:35 AM] Tom': Why?
- [12:48:40 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I can't remember to be honest
- [12:48:48 AM] TimeFlowMovement: it was a very stupid reason in hindsight
- [12:49:11 AM] TimeFlowMovement: a lot of fun things happened though
- [12:49:18 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was still friends with many members of the staff
- [12:49:20 AM] Tom': So people got banned en masse.
- [12:49:27 AM] TimeFlowMovement: not really..
- [12:49:34 AM] TimeFlowMovement: their fun was just taken away
- [12:49:41 AM] TimeFlowMovement: the feeling of /oat/ died that day
- [12:49:45 AM] Tom': So more rules, etc
- [12:49:47 AM] TimeFlowMovement: yeah
- [12:49:48 AM | Edited 12:49:54 AM] TimeFlowMovement: exactly.
- [12:50:06 AM] Tom': But you were on HAY, which was on /chat/ am I right?
- [12:50:12 AM] TimeFlowMovement: yeah
- [12:50:16 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was posting in HAY daily
- [12:50:16 AM] Tom': How was that?
- [12:50:22 AM] TimeFlowMovement: HAY was nice in the early days
- [12:50:28 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was round 2 or 3 of joiners
- [12:50:38 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I wasn't the first group, though some consider me to be
- [12:50:55 AM] Tom': Did you never leave HAY? How come we never met on pchan?
- [12:51:00 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I breifly "dated" a member named snowball
- [12:51:01 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I left HAY
- [12:51:07 AM] TimeFlowMovement: around...july ish
- [12:51:14 AM] Tom': Oh, that'd explain it. Where to?
- [12:51:18 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I lurked hard
- [12:51:29 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I...I really fell out of the community at that point
- [12:51:32 AM] TimeFlowMovement: summer of grade 9..
- [12:51:46 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I posted on /oat/ every now and again
- [12:51:56 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I posted in the random threads on /chat/
- [12:52:02 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I believe I met starshine around this time too
- [12:52:06 AM] TimeFlowMovement: OH
- [12:52:08 AM] TimeFlowMovement: the other thing
- [12:52:13 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I started talking in bronychat at this point
- [12:52:16 AM] TimeFlowMovement: was made a mod
- [12:52:19 AM] TimeFlowMovement: ect ect
- [12:52:39 AM] TimeFlowMovement: still am ;P
- it's a complete and utter shithole
- [12:52:43 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but it's MY complete and utter shithole
- [12:52:45 AM] Tom': LOL
- [12:52:49 AM] TimeFlowMovement: XD
- [12:52:53 AM] Tom': so when did you get back into it?
- [12:53:04 AM] TimeFlowMovement: peptalk from starshine
- [12:53:12 AM] TimeFlowMovement: that would have been...early august
- [12:53:19 AM] Tom': 2011
- [12:53:24 AM] TimeFlowMovement: yeah
- [12:53:27 AM] TimeFlowMovement: gunthor would get...gunthored
- [12:53:39 AM] TimeFlowMovement: when did gunthor come into play
- [12:53:44 AM] TimeFlowMovement: that must have been like
- [12:53:50 AM] TimeFlowMovement: early 2012
- [12:53:54 AM] Tom': What's all the deal with gunthor? I remember a whole bunch of drama
- [12:53:59 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he was made a mod
- [12:54:02 AM] TimeFlowMovement: in the end
- [12:54:03 AM] TimeFlowMovement: it was
- [12:54:04 AM] TimeFlowMovement: A MASSIVE
- [12:54:07 AM] TimeFlowMovement: MAAAAAASSSSSSSSSIIIIIIVE
- [12:54:10 AM] TimeFlowMovement: conspiracy
- [12:54:16 AM] Tom': conspiracy?
- [12:54:21 AM] Tom': by whom?
- [12:54:26 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he wanted to get orange fired because he didn't agree with oranges ways
- [12:54:31 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he wanted to be made a co admin
- [12:54:44 AM] Tom': And how did he make sure he was made a mod?
- [12:54:52 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he found out that crimson was a mod
- [12:54:57 AM] TimeFlowMovement: befriended him
- [12:55:03 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and well, from there he was made a mod
- [12:55:15 AM] TimeFlowMovement: it's no secret that the mods on ponychan around that time were all just friends of one another.
- [12:55:36 AM] Tom': "befriended"? I heard something more along the lind of first he dated him, then dated another mod... or was that someone else
- [12:55:44 AM] TimeFlowMovement: that was gunthor
- [12:55:45 AM] TimeFlowMovement: ...kinda
- [12:55:46 AM] TimeFlowMovement: it
- [12:55:49 AM] TimeFlowMovement: it's complicated
- [12:55:54 AM] TimeFlowMovement: cross would be the right person to ask about gunthor
- [12:55:56 AM] TimeFlowMovement: gunthor is
- [12:56:02 AM] TimeFlowMovement: after all, the reason cross was modded
- [12:56:03 AM] Tom': I'll do that, Keep going
- [12:56:18 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and cross and whelp (but mostly whelp) are the reason why gunth was fired
- [12:56:26 AM] TimeFlowMovement: [that was fucking epic >3>]
- [12:56:39 AM] TimeFlowMovement: after gunthor, I moved back to /b/ for about a month
- [12:56:51 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was modded on lunachan at...some point
- [12:56:57 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and lunachan was where I posted a lot
- [12:57:06 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I didn't post on ponychan much at all
- [12:57:14 AM] TimeFlowMovement: lunachan became HAY's home away from home
- [12:57:40 AM] TimeFlowMovement: so now, I was talking to people on skype, lunachan, bronychat, and basically places that weren't ponychan
- [12:57:40 AM] TimeFlowMovement: OH
- [12:57:40 AM] TimeFlowMovement: OH
- [12:57:41 AM] TimeFlowMovement: OH
- [12:58:01 AM] Tom': when was the move to lunachan for you? August-September?
- [12:58:08 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was modded at that time
- [12:58:09 AM] TimeFlowMovement: yeah
- [12:58:17 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I didn't post much on ponychan till december
- [12:58:22 AM] TimeFlowMovement: in which I posted in /b/&f
- [12:58:31 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was perma'd from ponychan on jan 2nd
- [12:58:35 AM] TimeFlowMovement: 2012
- [12:58:42 AM] Tom': When was !!Spike a thing? Who were they? That was before right?
- [12:59:27 AM] TimeFlowMovement: spike was Steven!MagnetoHOW
- [12:59:35 AM] TimeFlowMovement: Like
- [12:59:41 AM | Edited 12:59:43 AM] TimeFlowMovement: the really popular and famous steven magnet
- [12:59:45 AM] TimeFlowMovement: everyone loved him
- [12:59:54 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he was the first real, well, ponychan celebrity
- [1:00:05 AM] Tom': But he was a pretty harsh mod as I understand it
- [1:00:08 AM] TimeFlowMovement: yeah
- [1:00:09 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he wasn't a very good mod
- [1:00:13 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but he was popular
- [1:00:23 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he was fired in the summer
- [1:00:26 AM] TimeFlowMovement: that's all I really remember about that
- [1:00:31 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was in the skype group where it happened
- [1:00:39 AM] TimeFlowMovement: that would have been the first "illuminati" group
- [1:00:42 AM] TimeFlowMovement: had all of the big players
- [1:00:52 AM] TimeFlowMovement: doc lee, steven, cross, whelp, moony,
- [1:01:02 AM] TimeFlowMovement: a number of others that I can't really remember
- [1:01:11 AM] TimeFlowMovement: all of the mods
- [1:01:18 AM] Tom': you mean one of those groups that were having all the "political" talk that ruled the site
- [1:01:25 AM] TimeFlowMovement: pretty much
- [1:01:27 AM | Edited 1:01:28 AM] TimeFlowMovement: that's mostly a myth
- [1:01:33 AM] TimeFlowMovement: or at least
- [1:01:36 AM] Tom': moony wasn't a mod at the time though
- [1:01:37 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I wasn't in those rooms
- [1:01:39 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I am aware
- [1:01:40 AM] TimeFlowMovement: BUT
- [1:01:42 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he was popular
- [1:01:44 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and if you were popular
- [1:01:46 AM] TimeFlowMovement: you were in that room
- [1:01:51 AM] Tom': wait who's doc lee>
- [1:01:51 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and if you were in that room
- [1:02:07 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I..I don't even know how to begin to tell you who doc lee is
- [1:02:15 AM] TimeFlowMovement: doc lee was a popular poster
- [1:02:25 AM] TimeFlowMovement: it was much like highschool
- [1:02:28 AM] TimeFlowMovement: except the popular kids liked me
- [1:02:31 AM] TimeFlowMovement: kind of
- [1:02:34 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I don't know
- [1:02:35 AM] TimeFlowMovement: some did
- [1:02:37 AM] TimeFlowMovement: some didn't
- [1:02:52 AM] Tom': ok.
- [1:03:10 AM] Tom': So that's around the time /oat/ and ponychan started kind of being very pissed at the moderati9on
- [1:03:16 AM] TimeFlowMovement: yeah
- [1:03:19 AM] TimeFlowMovement: no
- [1:03:19 AM] Tom': I guess all that mod drama had made them distrust them
- [1:03:23 AM] TimeFlowMovement: that was a few months later
- [1:03:25 AM] TimeFlowMovement: with gunthor
- [1:03:31 AM] TimeFlowMovement: gunthor started the mass mod hatred and distruss
- [1:03:36 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he was the seed of distrust, basically
- [1:03:39 AM] TimeFlowMovement: man
- [1:03:40 AM] TimeFlowMovement: fucking
- [1:03:42 AM] Tom': But _he_ was the one who
- [1:03:47 AM] TimeFlowMovement: READ WHAT I JUST TYPED
- [1:03:49 AM] TimeFlowMovement: READ IT
- [1:03:50 AM] TimeFlowMovement: HOLY FUCK
- [1:03:54 AM] TimeFlowMovement: THIS IS ALL FOR PONY SITE DUDE
- [1:03:56 AM] TimeFlowMovement: A FUCKING SITE
- [1:03:56 AM] TimeFlowMovement: ABOUT
- [1:03:57 AM] TimeFlowMovement: PONIES
- [1:04:03 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I can't
- [1:04:05 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I'm incapable
- [1:04:13 AM] TimeFlowMovement: this is fucking ridiculous
- [1:04:25 AM] Tom': Okay so the guy literally did all this, then when he was uncovered he decided to start a mass hate against the system
- [1:04:34 AM] TimeFlowMovement: no..
- [1:04:39 AM] TimeFlowMovement: his firing was very public
- [1:04:49 AM] TimeFlowMovement: actually
- [1:04:53 AM] TimeFlowMovement: mod hatred started long before that
- [1:04:57 AM] TimeFlowMovement: mod hatred started around june
- [1:05:06 AM] TimeFlowMovement: when mods started being forced to be less lenient
- [1:05:12 AM] TimeFlowMovement: july was the true drop
- [1:05:21 AM] TimeFlowMovement: because on july first /oat/ was dealt a critical blow
- [1:05:24 AM] Tom': By Orange. Did some of the mods say no to orange?
- [1:05:37 AM] TimeFlowMovement: !!Twilight
- [1:05:43 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and myself, but I had been fired at this point
- [1:05:52 AM] TimeFlowMovement: none of the mods wanted to lose their job, so they just silently complied
- [1:06:43 AM] Tom': !!Twilight was Cross Breeze right. But he wasn't fired
- [1:07:11 AM] TimeFlowMovement: no
- [1:07:15 AM] TimeFlowMovement: the original twilight
- [1:07:21 AM] TimeFlowMovement: cross was !!Twilight V2
- [1:07:28 AM] TimeFlowMovement: oh
- [1:07:30 AM] TimeFlowMovement: the other thing
- [1:07:39 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was "blackmailed" by cross and gunthor in august
- [1:07:44 AM] TimeFlowMovement: november he was fired
- [1:07:46 AM] Tom': But if he was already in the gunthor drama he was !!Twi in summer right? Also whattttt
- [1:07:47 AM] TimeFlowMovement: (gunthor)
- [1:07:52 AM] Tom': oh ok
- [1:08:00 AM] TimeFlowMovement: the original twi
- [1:08:11 AM] TimeFlowMovement: quit because of something in regards to !!Spike
- [1:08:22 AM] TimeFlowMovement: spike was hired because of !!Twi
- [1:08:34 AM] TimeFlowMovement: NO
- [1:08:35 AM] TimeFlowMovement: wait
- [1:08:35 AM] TimeFlowMovement: oh
- [1:08:36 AM] TimeFlowMovement: fuck
- [1:08:37 AM] TimeFlowMovement: sorry
- [1:08:47 AM] TimeFlowMovement: !!Spike flipped shit at celestia because !!Twilight quit
- [1:08:57 AM] TimeFlowMovement: !!Twi was seriously unokay with the way orange was running things
- [1:09:03 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and resigned
- [1:09:10 AM] Tom': Ok.
- [1:09:26 AM] TimeFlowMovement: !!Octavia was hired after that
- [1:09:33 AM] TimeFlowMovement: got in close with orange (kinda)
- [1:09:45 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and cross and gunthor started trying to get me to tell them who was feeding me information
- [1:09:51 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I had had three "leakers"
- [1:10:08 AM] TimeFlowMovement: Crimson, Starshine, and to very small degree, !!Derpy
- [1:10:13 AM] Tom': Someone was giving you info about the pchan staff and they didn't like it?
- [1:10:19 AM] TimeFlowMovement: yeah
- [1:10:25 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I also had the mod cookie
- [1:10:33 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and knew the link to the staff board
- [1:10:39 AM] TimeFlowMovement: so I just kinda watched everything that happened there..
- [1:10:55 AM | Edited 1:10:59 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but not much really happened there
- [1:11:08 AM] TimeFlowMovement: most of what I learned was because people told me who the mods were
- [1:11:21 AM] TimeFlowMovement: there was a magical mystical time where people didn't know who the ponychan mods were
- [1:11:25 AM] TimeFlowMovement: that's one of the reasons I was fired actually
- [1:11:31 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I never even bothered to attempt to hide it
- [1:11:47 AM] Tom': Yeah. they only "revealed" their names much later
- [1:11:55 AM] TimeFlowMovement: indeed
- [1:11:56 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but
- [1:12:01 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I knew who each one was well ahead of time
- [1:12:06 AM] TimeFlowMovement: the only one's I didn't were like
- [1:12:07 AM] TimeFlowMovement: 34
- [1:12:15 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and flutterguy
- [1:12:21 AM] TimeFlowMovement: the rest I knew really quickly
- [1:12:30 AM] TimeFlowMovement: cross and hipster and a few others I figured out all on my own
- [1:12:34 AM] TimeFlowMovement: that was really cool -3-
- [1:13:06 AM] TimeFlowMovement: anyway
- [1:13:07 AM] TimeFlowMovement: after all of that
- [1:13:12 AM] Tom': Do you know what lead to them revealing their names, much later on? Was it to try and cool down the criticism against them?
- [1:13:29 AM] TimeFlowMovement: it's said that orange realized that it wasn't working at all
- [1:13:35 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and to "increase transparency"
- [1:13:40 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was perma'd in jan
- [1:13:42 AM] Tom': That totally worked.
- [1:13:46 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and then I left to go do other things
- [1:13:52 AM] Tom': Until MLPchan.
- [1:13:55 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I bronychated, lunachanned
- [1:13:56 AM] TimeFlowMovement: not quite
- [1:13:59 AM] Tom': Oh
- [1:14:01 AM] Tom': sorry
- [1:14:03 AM] TimeFlowMovement: :P
- [1:14:07 AM] Tom': do go on
- [1:14:11 AM] TimeFlowMovement: after I was perma'd I moved back to /b/ to lurk a lot
- [1:14:15 AM] TimeFlowMovement: eventually, /mlp/ was made
- [1:14:25 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and I became a first day adopter of the place
- [1:14:37 AM] Tom': Any particular thread?
- [1:14:42 AM] TimeFlowMovement: all of em
- [1:14:44 AM] TimeFlowMovement: anon, naturally.
- [1:14:51 AM] TimeFlowMovement: there weren't many cereals back in the day
- [1:14:55 AM] Tom': thoughts on /mlp/ and how it was/is?
- [1:14:56 AM | Edited 1:14:58 AM] TimeFlowMovement: or generals, as they call them
- [1:15:00 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I liked it
- [1:15:04 AM] TimeFlowMovement: better than it is now
- [1:15:20 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but the pony fandom as it is now will never be as good as it once was for the original brigade
- [1:15:24 AM] TimeFlowMovement: which is to say, the channers
- [1:15:33 AM] TimeFlowMovement: did you know that a massive portion of the fandom doesn't even go on the chans?
- [1:15:36 AM] TimeFlowMovement: unbelievable.
- [1:15:37 AM] TimeFlowMovement: lel
- [1:15:43 AM] Tom': The core userbase will always have the privilege of saying that
- [1:15:45 AM] Tom': yeah
- [1:15:58 AM] Tom': Facebook bronies, etc, most of them don't even know where they came from
- [1:16:05 AM] TimeFlowMovement: indeed
- [1:16:18 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I have a hearty giggle m8 whenever I tell them ponies started on 4chan
- [1:16:37 AM] TimeFlowMovement: anyway
- [1:16:43 AM] TimeFlowMovement: /mlp/ was fun
- [1:16:59 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but I began posting and lurking on mlpchan on the first day
- [1:17:05 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I left for two weeks, and then came back
- [1:17:08 AM] Tom': it was mostly the /co/ guys who moved there, right
- [1:17:14 AM] TimeFlowMovement: yeah
- [1:17:15 AM] Tom': Except, well, the /b/read
- [1:17:18 AM] TimeFlowMovement: /b/read
- [1:17:20 AM] TimeFlowMovement: /co/
- [1:17:27 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and other people from other boards congregated in
- [1:17:42 AM] TimeFlowMovement: after a few months of being there
- [1:17:47 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I decided I wanted to mod the place
- [1:17:53 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and started talking to you guys about it
- [1:17:57 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I started helping out on site
- [1:18:03 AM] TimeFlowMovement: slowly making you guys like and trust me
- [1:18:04 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and then bam
- [1:18:12 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I started talking to thony, who directed me to you
- [1:18:27 AM] Tom': who could I ask if I wanted to know more about how /co/ grew, back when pchan was still a new thing?
- [1:18:38 AM] TimeFlowMovement: whoooooooooooooboy
- [1:18:45 AM] Tom': Most useres were like
- [1:18:48 AM] Tom': anon
- [1:18:49 AM] Tom': >.>
- [1:18:59 AM] TimeFlowMovement: /co/ on /co/ when /co/ was half a year into it...
- [1:18:59 AM] TimeFlowMovement: man
- [1:19:02 AM] TimeFlowMovement: that's a tough one
- [1:19:06 AM] TimeFlowMovement: Megasweet
- [1:19:08 AM] TimeFlowMovement: the artists
- [1:19:15 AM] TimeFlowMovement: All of the popular artists
- [1:19:17 AM] TimeFlowMovement: mad max
- [1:19:18 AM] Tom': MS is from /co/ ?
- [1:19:20 AM] TimeFlowMovement: sargeant sprinkles
- [1:19:22 AM] TimeFlowMovement: MS
- [1:19:27 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and OH
- [1:19:30 AM] TimeFlowMovement: Cereal Velocity
- [1:19:41 AM] TimeFlowMovement: all four of those guys are from /co/
- [1:20:01 AM] Tom': would starshine know some?
- [1:20:07 AM] TimeFlowMovement: starshine know some of the artists?
- [1:20:10 AM] TimeFlowMovement: uhh..
- [1:20:15 AM] Tom': I mean wasn't he from /co/?
- [1:20:16 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I'm doubtful
- [1:20:19 AM] TimeFlowMovement: nah
- [1:20:20 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he was from /b/
- [1:20:32 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he ventured back to /co/ to learn about the early days of the fandom and to practice arting
- [1:21:31 AM] Tom': I see, well thanks. Thaty 'only' took an hour
- [1:21:44 AM] Tom': Got anything else to add to all this? Except that, well, it's not over
- [1:22:13 AM] TimeFlowMovement: if I tried to add anything
- [1:22:20 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I'd have to explain a LOT
- [1:22:23 AM] Tom': Try me
- [1:22:27 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and I'd be talking for many many hours..
- [1:22:29 AM] TimeFlowMovement: well
- [1:22:38 AM] TimeFlowMovement: what would you like to know
- [1:22:43 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I'm good at answering questions
- [1:22:49 AM] TimeFlowMovement: not coming up with answers without a question XD
- [1:23:17 AM] TimeFlowMovement: actually, let me ask you a question
- [1:23:18 AM] Tom': How was it in the Ponychan staff? Why wasn't orange tyrannical from the start?
- [1:23:23 AM] TimeFlowMovement: oh
- [1:23:24 AM] TimeFlowMovement: well
- [1:23:28 AM] TimeFlowMovement: my question can wait
- [1:23:30 AM] TimeFlowMovement: it wasn't bad at all
- [1:23:34 AM] TimeFlowMovement: running ponychan was easy
- [1:23:37 AM] TimeFlowMovement: like, really easy
- [1:23:43 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I did a lot of work
- [1:24:02 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was one of the (harder) better, faster (stronger) mods
- [1:24:27 AM] Tom': you were the first !!Pinkie Pie right?
- [1:24:39 AM] TimeFlowMovement: indeed!
- [1:24:44 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I should have been !!Big Mac
- [1:24:49 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I probably wouldn't have been fired
- [1:24:51 AM] Tom': LOL
- [1:24:54 AM] Tom': why?
- [1:24:54 AM] TimeFlowMovement: no really
- [1:24:59 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I acted like pinkie in my modding style
- [1:25:14 AM] TimeFlowMovement: which, while people liked me
- [1:25:26 AM | Edited 1:25:30 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I didn't uphold the right image of moderatorship
- [1:25:42 AM] Tom': In orange's opinion.
- [1:25:47 AM] TimeFlowMovement: indubitably
- [1:25:53 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but to be fair, I'm a lot different now
- [1:26:01 AM] TimeFlowMovement: even I look back and disagree with how I modded
- [1:26:20 AM] TimeFlowMovement: there are a few other things that happened after I was fired and what not
- [1:26:21 AM] Tom': Who was the original staff? !!Rd was rainbro dash, you were !!pinkie, !!Celestia was orange
- [1:26:24 AM] Tom': who else?
- [1:30:22 AM] TimeFlowMovement: !!Rarity - Crimson Risk
- !!Fluttershy - Nimble...something. He dropped off the map completely.
- !!Pinkie Pie - Yours Truly - Arctic Tempest
- !!Applejack - Broffessor Brony (really cool dude, went to Uni, and couldn't do both)
- !!Twilight - (!Twilight, was a really cool dude, posted on /b/)
- !!Derpy - Cherry!Sundae, really /really/ cool british bro.
- !!Scootaloo - Blazing Starshine
- !!Rainbow Dash - Rainbro
- !!Celestia - Orange Faggot.
- [1:30:27 AM | Edited 1:30:35 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I believe that was the original staff
- [1:30:39 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I don't think I'm missing anyone >_>
- [1:31:20 AM] Tom': "last but not least, nature blossom"
- [1:31:24 AM] Tom': what was so special about him?
- [1:31:34 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I fucking love nature blossom
- [1:31:42 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he and crimson and I had a video we spammed the shit out of
- [1:31:50 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and only one part of it too
- [1:31:57 AM] TimeFlowMovement: nature gave me some of the most important pep talks of my life
- [1:31:57 AM] Tom': what vid?
- [1:32:01 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and he always believed in me
- [1:32:07 AM] Tom': what happened to them?
- [1:32:11 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was one of the people he thought would see through his charade
- [1:32:17 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but even I don't know how crazy the dude is
- [1:32:25 AM] TimeFlowMovement: apparently he was a coder for microsoft
- [1:32:30 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he...I don't even know
- [1:32:31 AM] Tom': Okay rewind a bit, what
- [1:32:39 AM] TimeFlowMovement: alright
- [1:32:42 AM] TimeFlowMovement: this is a long one
- [1:32:49 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I met nature blossom on /b/
- [1:32:57 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but I also met him more in Derpychat
- [1:34:16 AM] TimeFlowMovement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12N5WfIgm6I#t=1m27s
- [1:34:24 AM] TimeFlowMovement: that was the video, starting at the correct time
- [1:34:26 AM] Tom': a lot of people moved to Dchat.
- [1:34:40 AM | Edited 1:34:43 AM] TimeFlowMovement: VEEEEEEEEEEEEX
- [1:34:46 AM] TimeFlowMovement: NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
- [1:34:55 AM] TimeFlowMovement: fucking every time.
- [1:35:09 AM] Tom': LOL
- [1:35:44 AM] Tom': okay so
- [1:35:48 AM] Tom': Derpychat
- [1:35:51 AM] TimeFlowMovement: yeah
- [1:35:54 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he and I spoke a lot in there
- [1:36:00 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he was the Kamina to my Simon, basically
- [1:36:05 AM] TimeFlowMovement: told me to believe in myself
- [1:36:39 AM] Tom': Did he do that a lot, I mean, to many people?
- [1:36:44 AM] TimeFlowMovement: no
- [1:36:49 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but he inspired people without having too
- [1:36:57 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he was a very good speaker
- [1:37:01 AM] TimeFlowMovement: good at weaving words
- [1:37:06 AM] TimeFlowMovement: many people hate him a lot
- [1:37:11 AM] TimeFlowMovement: many think he's completely bonkers
- [1:37:17 AM] Tom': Is he?
- [1:37:17 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I can't really say they're wrong
- [1:37:20 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but I still like the guy
- [1:37:28 AM] Tom': what made him nuts?
- [1:37:37 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he drank so much coffee once, that his doctor said that he wasn't allowed to drink coffee ever again
- [1:37:41 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he became depressed after that
- [1:37:49 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I always spill out a sip of my coffee for him for that
- [1:38:07 AM] Tom': how much coffee are we talking about here
- [1:38:15 AM] TimeFlowMovement: like easily a few pots a day
- [1:38:27 AM] TimeFlowMovement: his record was like, 18 in a day I think
- [1:38:37 AM] Tom': Okay. So he was odd.
- [1:38:40 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he was very odd
- [1:38:45 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but he was cool
- [1:38:47 AM] TimeFlowMovement: cool as fucking shit
- [1:38:51 AM] TimeFlowMovement: he had this...
- [1:38:54 AM] TimeFlowMovement: just this feeling too him
- [1:38:57 AM] TimeFlowMovement: you /wanted/ him to lead you
- [1:39:04 AM] TimeFlowMovement: you knew that he was going to get the job done
- [1:39:11 AM] Tom': similar to moony, ish?
- [1:39:14 AM] TimeFlowMovement: nah
- [1:39:18 AM] TimeFlowMovement: moony was nice
- [1:39:21 AM] TimeFlowMovement: moony is like
- [1:39:25 AM] TimeFlowMovement: a councilor
- [1:39:29 AM] TimeFlowMovement: moony is a soft person
- [1:39:36 AM] Tom': nature blossom got shit done
- [1:39:41 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I would want moony to be my boss
- [1:39:45 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I would want nature blossom to be my leader
- [1:39:50 AM] Tom': I see
- [1:40:13 AM] TimeFlowMovement: http://undercdn.under30media.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/boss-vs-leader_264722-624x.jpeg
- [1:40:25 AM] TimeFlowMovement: this doesn't really make the boss look good
- [1:40:51 AM] TimeFlowMovement: but if moony was the boss everyone in the top would be wearing a coat, would have nice shoes, and moony would take the desk off of the block because he wouldn't want to make it too hard for his workers
- [1:41:15 AM] Tom': that's a pretty good comparison
- [1:41:22 AM] Tom': what was your question?
- [1:42:07 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I'm just curious
- [1:42:14 AM] TimeFlowMovement: to what ends are you asking these questions?
- [1:47:21 AM] Tom': I realized recently a lot of people, even on imageboards, don't know a lot about the fandom, where they come from. As one of the people who's been like, active for 2.5 years with almost no interruption, I'm in a good position to collect all that info and write up a small history of the imageboard scene. You're one of my rare sources for pre-ponychan stuff
- [1:47:35 AM] TimeFlowMovement: ^^
- [1:47:59 AM] Tom': I'm mostly writing it for myself but I'll make it available when it's done
- [1:48:34 AM] Tom': Now to talk to Cross Breeze
- [1:48:36 AM] Tom': :3
- [1:48:42 AM] TimeFlowMovement: for the record
- [1:48:42 AM] Tom': And Derpychat Tom
- [1:48:57 AM] TimeFlowMovement: derpy chat tom
- [1:48:59 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I
- [1:49:06 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I think that might be !!Derpy
- [1:49:10 AM] Tom': Yep.
- [1:49:15 AM] Tom': Thus why.
- [1:49:16 AM] TimeFlowMovement: :P
- [1:49:33 AM] Tom': I have him on skype just because of our names and people adding one or the other by mistake
- [1:49:57 AM] TimeFlowMovement: XDDD
- [1:50:23 AM] Tom': So I might reference all of my chat logs with oldfags as sources, that includes this one
- [1:50:33 AM] TimeFlowMovement: :P
- [1:50:41 AM] Tom': so if by any chance theres anyone reading this in the future, now's your time to say something for posterity
- [1:53:58 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I don't know the future. I don't know what's going to happen. But I know that I've been around long enough to know that if you keep wanting everything to be the like past, you're never going to look forward and see all of the great things that are happening right now. Looking to the past for help is great, but only if you doing it to move forward into the future.
- I know that things come and go, and I know that things that seem amazing, like ponychan and /mlp/ in it's early days, and /b/ in it's early days, and ponies in it's early days, but don't delude yourself with nostaligia. You have to go ahead and make new memories to nostalgia over for your future self!
- Trust me man, if you relax and let it go, and live your life instead of trying to relive your life, you're going to be a lot happier in the future. Promise.
- [1:54:29 AM] Tom': Oh one last thing
- [1:54:37 AM] TimeFlowMovement: sure
- [1:54:39 AM] Tom': Love and tolerance. When did it start?
- [1:54:48 AM] TimeFlowMovement: two different times
- [1:54:50 AM] TimeFlowMovement: which is what gets people
- [1:54:55 AM] TimeFlowMovement: it was first uttered on /co/
- [1:55:05 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and had a completely different meaning than it had on /b/
- [1:55:12 AM] Tom': as in?
- [1:55:14 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and it's meaning now has a completely different meaning from those two things
- [1:55:22 AM] Tom': rofl
- [1:55:26 AM] Tom': explain
- [2:00:38 AM] TimeFlowMovement: Love and Tolerance was basically a meme
- [2:00:56 AM] TimeFlowMovement: on /co/ it was a pony meme
- [2:01:02 AM] TimeFlowMovement: it wasn't not often said
- [2:01:06 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and it didn't have much weight
- [2:01:07 AM] TimeFlowMovement: on /b/
- [2:01:09 AM] TimeFlowMovement: it was a slogan
- [2:01:12 AM] TimeFlowMovement: a way of existing
- [2:01:17 AM] TimeFlowMovement: that was when it gained popularity
- [2:01:19 AM] TimeFlowMovement: and became important
- [2:01:45 AM] TimeFlowMovement: love and tolerance now is either unheard of, or treated with disrespect as BRONY ELELELELELE XXXXXXXXXXXXDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD AUTISM lel type thing
- [2:03:25 AM] Tom': Eh
- [2:03:31 AM] Tom': I still believe in the /b/ one
- [2:03:50 AM] Tom': Love, tolerance, kindness and friendship are the msot important things anyone can have, really.
- [2:03:57 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I agree
- [2:05:35 AM] Tom': Well thanks, sorry for kind of
- [2:05:40 AM] Tom': making you write for 2h
- [2:05:41 AM] TimeFlowMovement: XD
- [2:05:44 AM] TimeFlowMovement: dude, no, it's fine
- [2:05:48 AM] TimeFlowMovement: I was doing nothing special anyway
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