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  1. And by flaw I mean unremovable prediction (aka angle-snapping, drift control) or acceleration, or z-axis bug, or whatever else is fucked up for a gaming mouse in my opinion.
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  3. I'd like to make a list of these OK gaming mouses, care to help ?
  4. So far the list is :
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  6. [u]3 buttons[/u] :
  7. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&safe=off&q=Microsoft%20Wheel%20Mouse%20Optical&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi]Microsoft WMO 1.1[/url] (STMicroelectronics OS MLT 04).
  8. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&rlz=&=&q=Microsoft%20Optical%20Mouse%20Blue&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi]Microsoft Optical Mouse Blue[/url] (STMicroelectronics OS MLT 04). Out of the market.
  9. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?um=1&hl=fr&safe=off&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=Razer+Abyssus&btnG=Rechercher&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=]Razer Abyssus[/url] (Avago ADNS-S3888). (Beware : the older firmwares create a jittering issue ; as Abyssus firmware can't be updated, you have to buy a recent enough model, loaded with one of the newer firmwares which fix the jittering)
  10. edit 11/11 : [url=http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2178061]beware[/url]
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  12. [u]5 buttons[/u] :
  13. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&rlz=&=&q=Microsoft%20Intellimouse%20Optical%201.1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi]Microsoft IMO 1.1[/url] (STMicroelectronics OS MLT 04).
  14. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&safe=off&q=Microsoft%20Intellimouse%20Explorer%203.0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi]Microsoft IME 3.0[/url] (STMicroelectronics OS MLT 04).
  15. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&safe=off&q=Razer%20Deathadder%203G&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi]Razer Deathadder 3G[/url] (Avago ADNS-S3668). (you may have to update the firmware to remove prediction)
  16. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&rlz=&=&q=Razer%20Deathadder%203.5G&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi]Razer Deathadder 3.5G[/url] (Avago ADNS-S3888). (you may have to update the firmware to fix a jittering issue)
  17. [small]So far odds are DA 3G sensor > DA 3.5G[/small]
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  19. [u]7 buttons[/u] :
  20. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&q=Cooler%20Master%20Storm%20Spawn&wrapid=tlif129741970439111&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi]Cooler Master Storm Spawn[/url] (Avago ADNS-3090). (Jittering fixed since firmware 30a ; high LoD fixed by firmwares 31 and 32, but it may have introduced some [url=http://www.cmstorm.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10450#post10450]tracking issues with certain surfaces[/url]. Note : CM's tech team seems pretty active.)
  21. edit 18/01/12 : [url=http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2190015#pid2190015]beware[/url]
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  23. [u]8 buttons[/u] :
  24. -[url=http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&rlz=&q=Logitech%20G400&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=218l2865l0l2993l13l12l0l0l0l0l419l1914l1.4.2.1.1l9l0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=m8sWT6yID8eS8gPJvbTIAg&biw=1467&bih=902&sei=nssWT_KiAYfHswa1k8xt]Logitech G400[/url] (Avago 3095)
  25. [b]Important[/b] : The first generation of G400 are shipped with an [url=http://www.overclock.net/t/1054231/my-logitech-g400-review/210#post_16217252]Avago 3080E sensor[/url] (or not : [url=http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=2214629#pid2214629]see here[/url]) which has prediction ; to avoid it buy a G400 with a [url=http://www.overclock.net/t/1197269/g400-angle-snapping-removed]PID above LZ13333[/url] (located under the mouse), which packaging is different (see Chris_P -from the Logitech Team- statement [url=http://forums.logitech.com/t5/G-series-Gaming-Mice/g400-angle-snapping-mouse-prediction-removed/td-p/763727/page/2]here[/url]) by having a Logitech sticker looking like [url=http://www.overclock.net/t/1197269/g400-angle-snapping-removed/140#post_16204105]that[/url] (supposedly ; good luck).
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  28. [u]Mouses without prediction (or which can be removed), but suspected of having other flaws[/u] :
  29. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?um=1&hl=fr&safe=off&tbs=isch:1&btnG=Rechercher&q=Logitech%20G9]Logitech G9[/url] (Avago ADNS-6090). [b]Skipping ?[/b]
  30. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&rlz=&=&q=Logitech%20G9x&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi]Logitech G9x[/url], [url=http://www.google.fr/images?um=1&hl=fr&safe=off&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=Logitech+G500&btnG=Rechercher&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=]Logitech G500[/url] (Avago ADNS-S9500). [b]Positive acceleration[/b].
  31. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&safe=off&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=Steelseries+Xai&btnG=Rechercher&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=]Steelseries Xai[/url], [url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&safe=off&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=Steelseries+WoW+Cataclysm&btnG=Rechercher&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=]Steelseries WoW Cataclysm[/url] (Avago ADNS-A9500). [b]Positive acceleration[/b] [url=http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2025169#pid2025169]?[/url]
  32. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&safe=off&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=ROCCAT+Kone%2B&btnG=Rechercher&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=]ROCCAT Kone+[/url] (Avago ADNS-9500). [b]Positive acceleration ?[/b]
  33. -[url=http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&rlz=&q=Mionix%20Naos%205000&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=726]Mionix Naos 5000[/url] (Avago ADNS-9500). [b]Positive acceleration ?[/b]
  34. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?um=1&hl=fr&safe=off&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=Razer+Mamba&btnG=Rechercher&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=]Razer Mamba[/url], [url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&source=imghp&q=Razer+Naga&btnG=Recherche+d%27images&gbv=2]Razer Naga[/url], [url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&source=imghp&gbv=2&q=Razer%20Imperator&tbs=isch:1]Razer Imperator[/url], [url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&source=imghp&q=Razer+Disney+TRON&btnG=Recherche+d%27images&gbv=2]Razer Disney TRON[/url] (Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032). [url=http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&safe=off&q=%22z-axis%22+razer&btnG=Rechercher]Z-axis issue[/url] - [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZhFKOq8CM8&feature=player_embedded]video[/url].
  35. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&rlz=&=&q=Saitek%20Cyborg%20R.A.T.%207&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi]Saitek Cyborg R.A.T. 7[/url], [url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&rlz=&=&q=Saitek%20Cyborg%20R.A.T.%209&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi]Saitek Cyborg R.A.T. 9[/url] (Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032). [b]Z-axis issue.[/b] [url=http://www.overclock.net/computer-peripherals/776078-g9-well-retire-should-i-get-5.html#post10019577]Click bug ?[/url]
  36. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&safe=off&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=Razer+Lachesis&btnG=Rechercher&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=]Razer Lachesis[/url], [url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&safe=off&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=Razer+Orochi&btnG=Rechercher&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=]Razer Orochi[/url] (Philips Twin Eye PLN 2031). [b]Z-axis issue.[/b]
  37. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&safe=off&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=Saitek+Cyborg+R.A.T.+5&btnG=Rechercher&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=]Saitek Cyborg R.A.T. 5[/url] (Philips Twin Eye PLN 2031). [b]Z-axis issue.[/b]
  38. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&safe=off&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=Cooler+Master+Inferno&btnG=Rechercher&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=]Cooler Master Storm Inferno[/url] (Philips Twin Eye PLN 2031). [b]Z-axis issue.[/b]
  39. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&rlz=&=&q=Thermaltake%20Tt%20eSPORTS%20BLACK&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi]Thermaltake Tt eSPORTS BLACK[/url] (Philips Twin Eye PLN 2031). [b]Z-axis issue.[/b]
  40. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&safe=off&gbv=2&tbs=isch:1&&sa=X&ei=IGM9TffzMsW38gPSmOSuCA&ved=0CC8QBSgA&q=Cooler+Master+Storm+Sentinel+Advance&spell=1]Cooler Master Storm Sentinel Advance[/url] (Philips Twin Eye PLN 2302). [url=http://www.overclock.net/computer-peripherals/807768-why-phillips-twin-eye-sensor-hated-6.html#post10469565]Z-axis issue[/url]. [url=http://www.overclock.net/computer-peripherals/776078-g9-well-retire-should-i-get-6.html#post10183242]Click bug ?[/url]
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  42. [u]Mouses without prediction (or which can be removed) yet to be proven flawless[/u] :
  43. -[url=http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&q=Razer+Deathadder+3.5G+Black+Edition&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi]Razer Deathadder 3.5G Black Edition[/url] ([url=http://www.overclock.net/mice/929927-just-received-my-razer-deathadder-black-4.html#post12381186]Avago ADNS-S3888[/url], [url=http://www.razersupport.com/index.php?_m=downloads&_a=view&parentcategoryid=168&pcid=76&nav=0,76]separated firmwares[/url] from the 3.5G though).
  44. -[url=http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&safe=off&biw=1595&bih=957&q=PureTrak%20Valor&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=80056l80056l0l81783l1l1l0l0l0l0l619l619l5-1l1l0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi]PureTrak Valor[/url] (Avago ADNS-3090). [url=http://www.overclock.net/mice/930742-puretrak-valor-information-thread.html]Overclock.net's thread[/url]. (edit 18/01/12 : the thread is 156 pages huge and so I don't have the courage to check what's the final verdict with this one. From a glance there seems to be some issues, if someone wanna dig in and report back that would be cool)
  45. -[url=http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&rlz=&q=ZOWIE%20AM&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=145l145l0l1056l1l1l0l0l0l0l788l788l6-1l1l0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1467&bih=902&sei=oIrPTruUKYna4QSTkrks]Zowie AM[/url] (Avago ADNS-3090). Overclock.net's thread[url=http://www.overclock.net/t/1159652/new-zowie-am-mouse]1[/url]-[url=http://www.overclock.net/t/1182539/zowie-am-review]2[/url], [url=http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2186887#pid2186887]anon's infos & thoughts[/url].
  46. -[url=http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&safe=off&q=Zowie%20MiCO&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=713]Zowie MiCO[/url] (PixArt PAN3305DK-H). (Note : quite low perfect control speed limit ? ([url=http://www.zowiegear.com/products?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=26&category_id=1]1.27m/s[/url]))
  47. edit 18/01/12 : [url=http://www.overclock.net/t/1084929/my-zowie-mico-experience]reported having some prediction[/url] ; I'm gonna wait confirmation it can't/won't be removed by a driver update before erasing it.
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  49. Give relevant informations in the comments and I'll add them.
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  51. Relevant links :
  52. -[url=http://www.esreality.com/?a=users&user_id=35388]Skylit[/url]'s awesome [url=http://www.overclock.net/mice/854100-ocn-mouse-sensor-reference-performance-sheet.html]OCN Mouse Sensor Reference and Performance sheet[/url] (reporting, among other technical datas, which mouses have prediction).
  53. -[url=http://home.comcast.net/~richardlowens/OpticalMouse/]Optical Mouse technology review, by Richard L. Owens[/url].
  54. -[url=http://phoon.us/mouse/]worthless information about your worthless mouse[/url].
  55. -[url=http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1265679]ESReality MouseScore 2007[/url].
  56. -[url=http://wikis.jp/interfacedevice/index.php?MaximumSpeed_en]Interface Device Wiki[/url].
  57. -[url=http://www.avagotech.com/pages/home/]Avago site[/url].
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