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  7. Channel ID: system_263331_263368
  8. Channel Name: Mining
  9. Listener: Ernesto Teodoro Moneta
  10. Session started: 2019.09.15 21:19:17
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  13. [ 2019.09.15 21:20:25 ] Varriaa > do what?
  14. [ 2019.09.15 21:20:28 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > o/
  15. [ 2019.09.15 21:20:45 ] Seen Blue > lets make alts and with destroyers and blow his ship up like all the time
  16. [ 2019.09.15 21:20:56 ] Varriaa > afwas?
  17. [ 2019.09.15 21:21:18 ] Afwas Machine > Varriaa do you want penis in your mouth?
  18. [ 2019.09.15 21:21:52 ] Seen Blue > Lincoln S STERRN he wants 10% from us
  19. [ 2019.09.15 21:22:30 ] Nard Mutant > greets, im new and looking for som minin advice
  20. [ 2019.09.15 21:22:39 ] Varriaa > Afwas Machine I have considered your offer and I must decline, thank you for your interest
  21. [ 2019.09.15 21:22:46 ] Varriaa > Nard Mutant don't
  22. [ 2019.09.15 21:22:52 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > Nard Mutant what kind of advice?
  23. [ 2019.09.15 21:23:17 ] Afwas Machine > its good that you still consider it
  24. [ 2019.09.15 21:23:21 ] Afwas Machine > it gives me some hope
  25. [ 2019.09.15 21:24:02 ] Nard Mutant > Ernesto Teodoro Moneta for what kind of mining should i fit out my venture
  26. [ 2019.09.15 21:24:22 ] FairyTail Omaristos > Nard Mutant Mine fast, sell fast, tell noone where you are, ignore most of the people here.
  27. [ 2019.09.15 21:24:30 ] Afwas Machine > soon my micro penis will be in your mouth
  28. [ 2019.09.15 21:24:35 ] Varriaa > FairyTail Omaristos so rude
  29. [ 2019.09.15 21:24:48 ] BIGuglyMOFO > but right
  30. [ 2019.09.15 21:24:50 ] FairyTail Omaristos > Nard Mutant Never ever ignore Varriaa
  31. [ 2019.09.15 21:25:07 ] Nard Mutant > FairyTail Omaristos what should i mine?
  32. [ 2019.09.15 21:25:18 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > Nard Mutant Venture isn't going to make munch money, mining ore when brand new isn't great money. However, if you can afford the skillbook, mining gas makes the venture much more worth it.
  33. [ 2019.09.15 21:25:18 ] Seen Blue > Veld- SPAR
  34. [ 2019.09.15 21:26:12 ] FairyTail Omaristos > Nard Mutant Everything. Literally. "Mine all the things". Veldspar is easy to get, fast to mine and very good isk per m3 still. As you do more and get your skills up you will do more stuff but tbf Veldspar is not much less per hour than moon ores atm
  35. [ 2019.09.15 21:26:16 ] Varriaa > FairyTail Omaristos \o/ that's more like it
  36. [ 2019.09.15 21:26:23 ] FairyTail Omaristos > \o/
  37. [ 2019.09.15 21:26:43 ] Nard Mutant > i can afford the skillbook,, which one and yea can fit out T@ for gas mining
  38. [ 2019.09.15 21:27:41 ] Lincoln S STERRN > you can make a lot of isk with gas mining
  39. [ 2019.09.15 21:27:43 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > If you pick up the gas mining skillbook and train the basic (and cheap) skills for scanning, you can make good money scanning gas sites in lowsec. Your isk/hour will be far higher than any belt ore.
  40. [ 2019.09.15 21:27:58 ] Nard Mutant > FairyTail Omaristos so no real advantage to any other mining over veldspar?
  41. [ 2019.09.15 21:28:17 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > I usually mine scordite and veldspar
  42. [ 2019.09.15 21:28:36 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Gas_cloud_harvesting Read this if you are interested in gas mining. Gas sites are geographically limited, so if you are just like "GAS MINING" and go to some random highsec, you won't find shit.
  43. [ 2019.09.15 21:28:58 ] FairyTail Omaristos > There is but in all honesty the skills make a huge difference. Unless you're going to spank your credit card it's going to take a bit of time and you may as well start at the easy / relatively profitable part while you get the books / train the skills etc
  44. [ 2019.09.15 21:29:53 ] FairyTail Omaristos > Scordite is worth a bit more per unit but it is 50% larger in mass per unit than Veld so it actually works out pretty crappy isk/m3
  45. [ 2019.09.15 21:30:35 ] Nard Mutant > i can have fun doing other stuff while this one is training but I am looking for advice on the most profitable mining setup
  46. [ 2019.09.15 21:31:05 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > https://ore.cerlestes.de/ore If you are interested in mining straight ore and not gas, this site will tell you the best ore to mine.
  47. [ 2019.09.15 21:31:42 ] Seen Blue > ive never once found a c540 site or a c320 site for that matter
  48. [ 2019.09.15 21:31:48 ] Nard Mutant > so far I conclude gas minin, get gas mining skillbook and fit my venbture T2 for gas mining
  49. [ 2019.09.15 21:32:00 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > Good thing about venture is it's fucking worthless, so easy to risk in lowsec for better money
  50. [ 2019.09.15 21:32:01 ] FairyTail Omaristos > Ok - that is a horrible question to ask. 1) It is wildly different for each person due to investment (time and isk) 2) It is changed by whether you mine solo or in a fleet / corp 3) "How much profit" is often balanced not only by investment but by losses / hassle. It's a game, not a job.
  51. [ 2019.09.15 21:32:48 ] Lincoln S STERRN > ventures are cheap gas will pay for a venture in one or two runs
  52. [ 2019.09.15 21:33:18 ] Nard Mutant > not worried about ISK investment, cost what it may, just want to make sure that when I get started its good income
  53. [ 2019.09.15 21:33:20 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > Nard Mutant the isk/hour of gas mining is far better than ore mining if you are in a venture. The only downsite to gas mining is it's more active than ore mining, you have to pay some level of attention.
  54. [ 2019.09.15 21:33:27 ] Assavad Voi'Aran > [21:32:01] FairyTail Omaristos >(...) It's a game, not a job. Good to remember some times :)
  55. [ 2019.09.15 21:33:36 ] FairyTail Omaristos > Eh? A full ore hold of Veld in a Venture pays for it. Gas will pay back the ship, fit, book etc in less than 2 runs done right
  56. [ 2019.09.15 21:33:45 ] FairyTail Omaristos > Assavad Voi'Aran Ikr :-)
  57. [ 2019.09.15 21:33:49 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > Book for gas mining is like 30mil
  58. [ 2019.09.15 21:34:10 ] FairyTail Omaristos > Full load of gas in a Venture is like 20+
  59. [ 2019.09.15 21:34:11 ] Nard Mutant > FairyTail Omaristos themn tell me pls how to do it right
  60. [ 2019.09.15 21:34:15 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > But a full hold of mid-tier lowsec gas is 50mil.
  61. [ 2019.09.15 21:34:25 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > That's my point FairyTail Omaristos
  62. [ 2019.09.15 21:34:32 ] Lincoln S STERRN > yes but one good load of gas is 25 million +
  63. [ 2019.09.15 21:34:41 ] Seen Blue > low sec would be SOOO dangerous
  64. [ 2019.09.15 21:34:49 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > Lowsec is minimally dangerous in a venture
  65. [ 2019.09.15 21:34:59 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > I'm there right now, scanning in Avaux
  66. [ 2019.09.15 21:35:06 ] Seen Blue > theres people waiting at gates with traps all over the place out there
  67. [ 2019.09.15 21:35:11 ] FairyTail Omaristos > No matter what you decide on, multiboxing can't be beaten imo
  68. [ 2019.09.15 21:35:17 ] Seen Blue > youd have to enter througha wormhole to be safe
  69. [ 2019.09.15 21:35:26 ] Lincoln S STERRN > https://forums.eveonline.com/t/guide-ninja-gas-mining-as-alpha-in-wormholes/4920
  70. [ 2019.09.15 21:35:39 ] Lincoln S STERRN > read grasshopper
  71. [ 2019.09.15 21:36:20 ] Nard Mutant > this grasshopper already learned so much from you guys
  72. [ 2019.09.15 21:36:28 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > \o/
  73. [ 2019.09.15 21:36:32 ] Bami Boomboom > eat caterpilar!
  74. [ 2019.09.15 21:36:49 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > WHs are tougher, cause you have to do a LOT of scanning to find the right gas sites, and about 2/3 of the gas sites in holes are only as valuable as the mid-tier lowsec gas sites. BUT if you get a really good gas site in a hole, they're very valuable.
  75. [ 2019.09.15 21:36:55 ] Lincoln S STERRN > off to shoot stuff
  76. [ 2019.09.15 21:38:17 ] Nard Mutant > thanks guys, off to readfing your links
  77. [ 2019.09.15 21:38:47 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > Cool
  78. [ 2019.09.15 21:38:55 ] Seen Blue > Nard Mutant do the scanning tutorial- thats the most important
  79. [ 2019.09.15 21:38:57 ] FairyTail Omaristos > Nard Mutant This game is vast - all the "sections" of it are also bloody big, mining included. There is so much you 'can' do if you want to but if you take it slow you'll get wherever you do go soon enough. It is easy enough to build up in this game but it won't happen overnight. Unless you spank a card for like 2k real cash or something ridiculous.
  80. [ 2019.09.15 21:39:19 ] FairyTail Omaristos > *don't do that btw
  81. [ 2019.09.15 21:39:24 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > And whatever you decide, don't be afraid of lowsec/nullsec, especially in a venture. They're so cheap that losing them is basically a non-issue.
  82. [ 2019.09.15 21:39:53 ] Seen Blue > not with two T2 gas miners on them
  83. [ 2019.09.15 21:39:55 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > Most of lowsec is camped and nullsec controlled by big alliances
  84. [ 2019.09.15 21:40:04 ] FairyTail Omaristos > Shit, I queued up 200 Ventures in a job queue for a luagh and just dumped them on Amarr at 250k bc they cost so little to make
  85. [ 2019.09.15 21:40:07 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > That's absolutely not true Fortuna
  86. [ 2019.09.15 21:40:19 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > That's your fever dream about what lowsec/nullsec is
  87. [ 2019.09.15 21:40:26 ] FairyTail Omaristos > Facts ^
  88. [ 2019.09.15 21:40:43 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > Not really, low sec is more dangerous then null atm since people will scan down whoever is in local
  89. [ 2019.09.15 21:40:55 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > Not to mention the subcap ships
  90. [ 2019.09.15 21:40:57 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > No, again, your fever dream. Lowsec isn't that dangerous either.
  91. [ 2019.09.15 21:41:05 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > Lowsec is pretty dangerous
  92. [ 2019.09.15 21:41:23 ] Aaaarrgg > hoghsec is the most dangerous
  93. [ 2019.09.15 21:41:24 ] FairyTail Omaristos > NULL BLACKOUT IS OVER FROM TMW DOWNTIME so it goes back to how it was before pretty soon.
  94. [ 2019.09.15 21:41:24 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > Lowsec has the potential for danger. With even minimal research that danger is functionally zero.
  95. [ 2019.09.15 21:41:27 ] Aaaarrgg > highsec
  96. [ 2019.09.15 21:41:48 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > highsec isn't that dangerous, jihadis in highsec is no different then what happens to people in null.low
  97. [ 2019.09.15 21:41:48 ] Aaaarrgg > not because it is dangerous but the other sec are so safe in comparison
  98. [ 2019.09.15 21:42:00 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > If you're in a corp that controls the area
  99. [ 2019.09.15 21:42:11 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > Again, your fever dream, not reality
  100. [ 2019.09.15 21:42:29 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > That is your opinion
  101. [ 2019.09.15 21:42:54 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > No, it's not
  102. [ 2019.09.15 21:43:28 ] Bami Boomboom > there are 2 lowsec extremes that i know of... one in Vecamia wich is basicaly empty at all times and there ther's Aunenen .. permanetly camped and basicaly a don't go in there zone
  103. [ 2019.09.15 21:43:37 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Placid#kills24 This is the Dotlan map of Placid, considered a pretty busy region with active lowsec. This is kills over an ENTIRE 24 HOURS. Look at the lowsec systems. 4 kills, 2 kills, 1 kill, about half of lowsec is 0 kills in 24 hours.
  104. [ 2019.09.15 21:44:03 ] Aaaarrgg > long madirmilire :)
  105. [ 2019.09.15 21:44:06 ] Aaaarrgg > link
  106. [ 2019.09.15 21:44:33 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Placid#jumps24 Here is another link for Placid, jumps per 24 hours. Some of these systems have less than 50 people coming in and out in an entire DAY lol
  107. [ 2019.09.15 21:44:51 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > And this is a region considered *busy* lol
  108. [ 2019.09.15 21:45:07 ] FairyTail Omaristos > There are approx 10k systems in EVE. Assuming 20k accounts/chars logged in at one time, also assuming that 2k of those are at/near the hub systems and around 3k in "corp territory" spread over another 500 systems that leave approx 9k systems occupied by 15k chars - that is less than 2 people per system. Pretty safe if you go off of the beaten track I think
  109. [ 2019.09.15 21:45:13 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > Probably a plethora of reasons why though
  110. [ 2019.09.15 21:46:30 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > Yes, the reason is lowsec is mostly empty, and even the "dangerous" lowsec is just a few pipe systems that people like you mistake for "all of lowsec"
  111. [ 2019.09.15 21:46:49 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > My opinion stands
  112. [ 2019.09.15 21:46:56 ] FairyTail Omaristos > Yep - bottlenecks of any kind will always be busy - get past those and there is a LOT of empty space
  113. [ 2019.09.15 21:47:01 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > Some condescending asshole isn't going to change it lol
  114. [ 2019.09.15 21:47:14 ] Bami Boomboom > here's a paradox: everyone thinks the same thing and when they meet up they get all paranoid and start shooting eachother because that's how they leard to say hello :)
  115. [ 2019.09.15 21:47:33 ] Bami Boomboom > so.... take your theory with a grain of salt
  116. [ 2019.09.15 21:47:36 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > Well your opinion can stand in your own mind, I don't care what you personally think. As long as the potentially impressionable people reading your opinion realize how dumb it is.
  117. [ 2019.09.15 21:47:47 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > I didn't ask what you think
  118. [ 2019.09.15 21:47:52 ] FairyTail Omaristos > I don't. I wave hello and offer refreshments :-)
  119. [ 2019.09.15 21:48:12 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > Lowsec is pretty dangerous and good to avoid unless you know what's on the otherside
  120. [ 2019.09.15 21:48:50 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > Well that's a much more moderated version of your previous 'opinion' at least lol, so it looks like facts and statistics did put a *little* doubt in your mind lol.
  121. [ 2019.09.15 21:48:57 ] Aaaarrgg > low sec is not dangerous , i can sit in there for hours and i dont die
  122. [ 2019.09.15 21:49:08 ] Aaaarrgg > 20 seconds in highsec and im dead
  123. [ 2019.09.15 21:49:20 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > No doubt
  124. [ 2019.09.15 21:49:30 ] okanata hippo > nina simone or lois armstrong?
  125. [ 2019.09.15 21:49:35 ] Bami Boomboom > yeah but i'm sure there will be wrkecs arround you Arrrg
  126. [ 2019.09.15 21:49:39 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > Low sec is pretty dangerous, your facts are like mine proving only what you think
  127. [ 2019.09.15 21:49:47 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > You need facts to substantiate what you think lol
  128. [ 2019.09.15 21:49:58 ] Assavad Voi'Aran > okanata hippo ina!!
  129. [ 2019.09.15 21:49:58 ] FairyTail Omaristos > Nina for chilling, louis for more upbeat, both for soul
  130. [ 2019.09.15 21:49:59 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > You don't have facts, I have actual links showing how un-dangerous lowsec is.
  131. [ 2019.09.15 21:50:06 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > I don't need facts
  132. [ 2019.09.15 21:50:16 ] Assavad Voi'Aran > FairyTail Omaristos Nina fpr the sinners :)
  133. [ 2019.09.15 21:50:17 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > Clearly
  134. [ 2019.09.15 21:50:22 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > Just in your fevered dreams lol
  135. [ 2019.09.15 21:50:24 ] FairyTail Omaristos > 100%!!
  136. [ 2019.09.15 21:50:46 ] okanata hippo > hard to say if given the choice thankfully there is love in my heart for both
  137. [ 2019.09.15 21:50:47 ] Aaaarrgg > when i want a holiday i go to lowsec so i can chill in space
  138. [ 2019.09.15 21:51:01 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > [21:50:06] Fortuna Avarice Cash > I don't need factsThat is by far the most accurate thing you have posted tonight.
  139. [ 2019.09.15 21:51:04 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > It's about the only place you can chill tbh
  140. [ 2019.09.15 21:51:09 ] okanata hippo > anything else of same or similar quality to nina simone and lois armstrong
  141. [ 2019.09.15 21:51:28 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > You need facts because you don't have what it takes to make up your own mind lol
  142. [ 2019.09.15 21:51:34 ] fogdelos > low sec is not dangerous.. its the gankers that are dangious
  143. [ 2019.09.15 21:51:36 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > You need what you see to tell you what it is or isn't
  144. [ 2019.09.15 21:52:03 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > You're right, I do need facts to make up my mind. Otherwise i'd be somebody like you.
  145. [ 2019.09.15 21:52:09 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > And I'd probably just kill myself.
  146. [ 2019.09.15 21:52:19 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > You are fucked up
  147. [ 2019.09.15 21:52:37 ] FairyTail Omaristos > FUN FACT: more people are blown up in / within 2 jumps of Jita (HS) than any location in LS outside of FW.
  148. [ 2019.09.15 21:53:10 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > Literally implying self harm over something in a video game, ggwp
  149. [ 2019.09.15 21:53:41 ] okanata hippo > VIDEOGAMES!
  150. [ 2019.09.15 21:53:59 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > L i t e r a l l y
  151. [ 2019.09.15 21:54:00 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > Careful, if you have a conflicting opinion someone might just murder themselves over it! lol
  152. [ 2019.09.15 21:54:03 ] Bami Boomboom > REALITY SHOWS!!!
  153. [ 2019.09.15 21:54:17 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > I don't think i'll be that lucky tbh
  154. [ 2019.09.15 21:54:42 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > You'd be surprised, you just might trip
  155. [ 2019.09.15 21:59:05 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > I dunno man, I feel pretty safe here in lowsec :)
  156. [ 2019.09.15 21:59:46 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > I hope you can say the same.
  157. [ 2019.09.15 22:00:09 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > Don't kill yourself over it :3
  158. [ 2019.09.15 22:01:12 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > Tell your boys they are pretty garbage to not get my pod sitting there for 4 seconds like that lol
  159. [ 2019.09.15 22:02:54 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > I don't have any boys, i'm just out here gas mining. Why, is highsec, not feeling so safe to you?
  160. [ 2019.09.15 22:03:06 ] Bami Boomboom > good night happy people!
  161. [ 2019.09.15 22:03:14 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > nn Bami
  162. [ 2019.09.15 22:03:17 ] Bami Boomboom > Hail PUTIN! o/
  163. [ 2019.09.15 22:05:24 ] Ernesto Teodoro Moneta > https://bit.ly/2lRJKWq
  164. [ 2019.09.15 22:06:22 ] Seraphim Vex > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=408tWOubRDM it gets good about 11min in
  165. [ 2019.09.15 22:09:45 ] xSamsquanchx Alduin > hello
  166. [ 2019.09.15 22:09:51 ] Mk 36 > o/
  167. [ 2019.09.15 22:10:14 ] xSamsquanchx Alduin > hows it going
  168. [ 2019.09.15 22:11:44 ] Aaaarrgg > good
  169. [ 2019.09.15 22:16:49 ] l3illy Jack > o/
  170. [ 2019.09.15 22:34:09 ] Fortuna Avarice Cash > o/
  171. [ 2019.09.15 22:36:37 ] Reksvorm > guys! Where is Belt Ice in which systems?
  172. [ 2019.09.15 22:37:33 ] Danuvia Za > look on Dotlan map
  173. [ 2019.09.15 22:38:40 ] Reksvorm > thank you! have a nice game
  174. [ 2019.09.15 22:38:54 ] Hasta Eoner > http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Derelik#sec
  175. [ 2019.09.15 23:01:44 ] Starlord24 > for once let me cum first
  176. [ 2019.09.15 23:02:34 ] No Bodiei > no
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