what a shithead

[18:27] <PommyN64> You want the dirt? Unban Inline, who has nothing to do with this besides asking me to talk to you. I'm the one who followed it.
[18:27] <PommyN64> So if it's that important, either put up, or shut up.
[18:27] <PK> what are you talking about
[18:27] <PommyN64> Inline's banned.
[18:27] <PK> i wasnt the one who banned him, vee did
[18:27] <PommyN64> Well you're the one with the pair in that channel, so do something about it.
[18:28] <PommyN64> Place the ban on me like it should be
[18:28] <PK> not so fast
[18:28] <PommyN64> and take it off him.
[18:28] <PK> you had your stage in the chat and you didn't divulge shit
[18:28] <PK> say your piece here and he'll be unbanned
[18:28] <PK> I will not be unbanning him until that condition is met
[18:28] <PommyN64> Fuck you. I want proof of his unbanning first.
[18:28] <PK> then I guess because of you he will stay banned
[18:29] <PommyN64> Right, as though you wouldn't reban him the moment you have what you want.
[18:29] <PommyN64> This is on you to do the right thing PK. You have every right to remove me.
[18:29] <PommyN64> I am the problem here, not him.
[18:29] <PommyN64> Let him enjoy what he came to the IRC to enjoy.
[18:29] <PK> I will not until you give me the supposed shit you have about me
[18:29] <PK> if you choose not to believe that
[18:29] <PK> then that sucks for inline
[18:30] <PommyN64> You agree to this regardless of whether or not the info is something you already knew?
[18:30] <PK> of course; but you must consider that if inline acts up again he will be banned and it will have nothing to do with this
[18:30] <PK> I'm not going to ban him for no reason
[18:30] <PommyN64> because I trust you're not dumb. You've probably been made aware of it before, especially if I'm not the first case of this you've had to deal with.
[18:31] <PK> the real kicker here is that I know it must either be 1) lies or 2) exaggerations, but I like to know what bullshit I might have to hear about from time to time
[18:32] <PommyN64> And I like to avoid having innocent people pay the price for the shit I do. So you've got your little bargaining chip and I have someone who deserves their access back.
[18:32] <PK> so spit it out already
[18:33] <PommyN64> It's not even that scandalous, it just speaks very closely of your character. Of your time in art school and the fact that you never bothered to listen to the critiques you were given, form the people you paid to teach you. That you doodled the whole time in class, to the point where you were thrown out.
[18:33] <PK> I cannot believe you would actually believe that
[18:33] <PommyN64> And although I don't know the full details, that your recent mood has been in part to being brought to tears on a stream (?) because your reptuation for something else during that time was brought up.
[18:33] <PommyN64> Though that seems incredulous.
[18:34] <PK> you have to have more brains than that
[18:34] <PK> to think i was thrown out of an art school for doodling in class
[18:34] <PommyN64> Not the doodling
[18:34] <PommyN64> The Amy's Baking Company levels of resistance and indignance.
[18:34] <PK> well I was correct, it was both lies AND exaggeration
[18:35] <PK> oh well
[18:35] <PommyN64> This is exactly why I said I wasn't going to make it public. But the fact you guys had to mute the channel? Why?
[18:35] <PommyN64> What was there to fear from letting people have their say?
[18:35] <PK> to hear what you supposedly could lord over my head
[18:35] <PK> there was nothing
[18:35] <PommyN64> The point of all this is that there was nothing at ANY point I was lording over your head.
[18:35] <PK> it was not about muting the people, it was about not having the clutter in people trying to change the subject
[18:35] <PK> as they have done in the past
[18:35] <PK> yes there was though
[18:35] <PommyN64> The ONLY purpose of my saying it was that people have reasons to think one way of you from the getgo.
[18:36] <PommyN64> And I knew of this going into the first time we ever communicated
[18:36] <PK> going ~I chose not to bring up these awful things from your past~ is lording it whether you believe it is or not
[18:36] <PommyN64> But I chose to ignore it because honestly you were a pretty nice individual when we spoke.
[18:36] <PK> from the very start
[18:36] <PK> what made you think period jokes and pms jokes were funny???
[18:37] <PK> ha ha women and their irrational moods lol!!! sort of thing
[18:37] <PommyN64> People try to change the subject because they're scared, PK. They are afraid if they say anything outside of a certain response they will end up like me.
[18:37] <PommyN64> I'm not claiming this, I was TOLD this.
[18:37] <PommyN64> People don't want to deal with this shit
[18:37] <PommyN64> They don't!
[18:37] <PK> are you going to ignore that
[18:37] <PommyN64> They just want to do art, and have fun.
[18:37] <PommyN64> No! But when you go on these tirades from time to time you really discomfort them!
[18:37] <PommyN64> THAT'S what this is all about!
[18:37] <PK> you constantly made sort of little jabs at my direction when i had not even really been doing much
[18:37] <PommyN64> THAT'S what I was concerned about, what I was expressing to you!
[18:37] <PK> did you not stop to think "maybe this isn't a nice thing to do"
[18:38] <PK> "maybe joking about women isnt funny"
[18:38] <PommyN64> Did you not stop to think "This bothers me, I should PM him and inform him"?
[18:38] <PommyN64> In the same way I finally did last night?
[18:38] <PommyN64> Communication, PK. That's all Inline Wanted.
[18:38] <PK> I had no desire to talk about things, and by the time you finally left that was it
[18:38] <PK> great, but I did not ask inline for this
[18:38] <PK> I did not ask him for this talk
[18:38] <PommyN64> Well not having the desire caused a pretty big rift, didn't it?
[18:38] <PK> he went way out of his fucking bounds
[18:39] <PK> not really
[18:39] <PK> things were fine in the channel after that
[18:39] <PommyN64> I get that. But *I* chose to speak. This is MY responsibility.
[18:39] <PommyN64> I am the one at fault.
[18:39] <PommyN64> They're not, PK, they really aren't. They are for now, but there's a reason people leave. I used to OP myself, I had to deal with it.
[18:39] <PK> you act like there are legions of unhappy people in there facing my oppression and tyranny
[18:39] <PommyN64> There aren't.
[18:39] <PK> yes, but you act that way
[18:39] <PK> down to misquoting logs from that day
[18:40] <PK> it's extremely, amazingly frustrating
[18:40] <PommyN64> But there a lot of people who don't want to deal with this bullshit to begin with, and I know I'm not the only one you've done this with.
[18:40] <PK> and i cannot believe you bought into the "dirt"
[18:40] <PK> "done this with"
[18:40] <PK> what the hell is that even supposed to mean
[18:40] <PK> you mean, that I might be mistrustful of someone who I think is buying into crap that isnt true?
[18:40] <PommyN64> Banning out of avoidance, the arguments in chat, the heel-face turns emotionally.
[18:40] <PK> banning out of avoidance, are you kidding
[18:41] <PK> more like banning out of is being an asshole?
[18:41] <PommyN64> I don'tthink you trust anyone besides Marl or Eevee because they're the only ones who pander to every little thing you want. Everyone else you keep at arm's length with a courteous smile.
[18:41] <PK> or is causing problems?
[18:41] <PK> I think you can continue to make more statements that show you know very little about me
[18:41] <PK> but it doesn't really do anything
[18:41] <PommyN64> There's no point to it. We can agree to disagree all day long.
[18:42] <PommyN64> But the original point is this. You've removed your 'problem'. Now give access back to the person who isn't.
[18:42] <PommyN64> Your beef is with me and me alone.
[18:42] <PK> he already has his access back
[18:42] <PK> i think you ought to think very hard about mindlessly believing incredulous things about people
[18:43] <PommyN64> I don't see why you'd be so eager to know about the 'dirt' people have on you if it was so unbelievable.
[18:43] <PommyN64> Why you would let it even matter.
[18:43] <PK> because I like to know what rumors will come from whom
[18:43] <PK> but we all made a bet about the rumor it would be
[18:43] <PK> and the art school one won out
[18:43] <PommyN64> I'm sure it's not the only one.
[18:43] <PK> I'm sure
[18:43] <PommyN64> It's just the most widespread.
[18:44] <PommyN64> In any case, I appreciate you keeping to your agreement, assuming it doesn't get cut the moment I leave.
[18:44] <PommyN64> I really do. Thank you.
[18:44] <PK> you ought to think very hard about this in the future though
[18:44] <PK> it's incredibly shitty to believe rumors like that and to bring them up at all if you say you're giving benefit of the doubt
[18:45] <PommyN64> You're one to talk, PK. You are fortunate in that you hold a position of power where you can pretty much move things along as you please.
[18:45] <PommyN64> I'm not about to change that nor could I ever.
[18:45] <PK> I've not been acting on rumor, however
[18:45] <PK> rather, on things that have actually been said to or around me
[18:45] <PommyN64> But your reputation and your attitude do precede you. Even if those rumours aren't true, your mentality is shit. It's what you're known for.
[18:46] <PommyN64> I'm just the only one with the gall to say something on it.
[18:46] <PK> my attitude is intolerant of bullshit
[18:46] <PK> and there happens to be a lot of that in the community that i left behind
[18:46] <PommyN64> You can phrase it however you want. But the end result is that people will see you banned someone they actually enjoyed having around.
[18:46] <PK> that's funny
[18:46] <PommyN64> And that will add into whatever they already thnk about you, good or bad.
[18:46] <PK> because I found out a lot of people didn't like you afterward
[18:47] <PK> the people who did were limited to: inline, somewhat mienshao
[18:47] <PommyN64> Yeah, I know about who spoke up. I also know about who remained silent.
[18:47] <PK> I bet
[18:47] <PommyN64> Silence does not = a lack of opinion.
[18:47] <PK> keep spouting more mysterious oneliners
[18:47] <PommyN64> That's the fear I'm talking about PK.
[18:47] <PK> I think not
[18:47] <PK> I've spoken to most of this channel
18:47] <PommyN64> No one wants to be banned, it would mean no ability to do the fun art they enjoy.
[18:47] <PK> you're probably unaware of that
[18:48] <PommyN64> You can say whatever you want, PK.
[18:48] <PK> so can you, apparently
[18:49] <PommyN64> I wish there was something I could say that would have meaning to you. I legitimately do. There's a point when you have to recognize it is a waste of time trying to explain to someone, and that they will always just be stuck in their ways because it's the only way they know how to be.
[18:50] <PK> there's not really anything of use to be learned from someone who will just believe made up exaggerated garbage
[18:50] <PommyN64> I really do hope those rumours aren't true, PK. You're the only one who knows that for sure. Because if they are, they will never stop following you, and there's nothing either of us can do about that.
[18:50] <PommyN64> But that's your burden to bear.
[18:50] <PK> I'm not the only person who knows that for sure
[18:50] <PK> the entire fucking school knows it
[18:51] <PK> I LEFT SCHOOL even after the guidance lady ASKED ME NOT TO and tried to get more scholarships
[18:51] <PommyN64> There's no point to explaining that to me PK. Whether you're lying or not is only known to you.
[18:51] <PK> because of MONEY
[18:51] <PK> I cant even fucking believe this though
[18:51] <PK> this is what got me frustrated
[18:51] <PK> this is what got me upset
[18:51] <PK> I dont lie
[18:51] <PK> I dont fucking LIE
[18:51] <PK> I DONT MAKE UP THINGS
[18:51] <PommyN64> Have you considered that maybe people don't believe you when you say that because of how you act/
[18:51] <PK> I LIKE TO QUOTE LOGS TO MAKE SURE THATS WHAT HAPPENED
[18:51] <PK> peoplew ill choose not to believe me just because they dont like me: THIS HAS HAPPENEDON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION
[18:52] <PK> DESPITE HOW NICE I HAVE BEEN
[18:52] <PK> that doesnt GET ME ANYWHERE
[18:52] <PommyN64> PK, you are nice until you're mad. Then all friendships are free game.
[18:52] <PommyN64> I watched this happen twice now.
[18:52] <PK> that's bullshit though
[18:52] <PommyN64> No one wants to be in the channel or present when you explode.
[18:52] <PK> it's about a ton of tiny things adding up that people do
[18:52] <PommyN64> Like you did on the guy who asked a question you already answered.
[18:54] <PommyN64> Why would *I* have reason to lie right now to you? To take you down a peg? Fat chance, you're the channel OP.
[18:55] <PK> it's just eternally frustrating
[18:55] <PK> why would you think it's ok that people spread lies
[18:55] <PK> because someone didnt like my attitude once? why is that okay then?
[18:55] <PommyN64> But how many people has that 'once' happened to? People will usually spread info to inform or warn others. If you piss off a lot of people, at some point those feelings are going to converge.
[18:55] <PommyN64> You literally could only have brought this on yourself.
[18:56] <PK> that's bullshit
[18:56] <PommyN64> You say that, but look where we are now.
[18:56] <PK> if i am firm to a lot of people about not taking their crap anymore
[18:56] <PK> people get angry
[18:56] <PommyN64> Look what you deal with regularly.
[18:56] <PK> it's not really regularly though
[18:56] <PK> it's only been: here
[18:56] <PK> this is where i have dealt with it, with you, in the past months
[18:56] <PommyN64> Then if that's it, it could only be in how you tell them then, the way you conduct yourself.
[18:56] <PK> that's not true either
[18:57] <PommyN64> If I was the only one PK those rumours would not exist.
[18:57] <PommyN64> There is a legacy you have molded for yourself that I was not a part of.
[18:57] <PK> those rumors are from 3 years ago
[18:57] <PK> when I decided I didn't like a lot of the shit furries threw my way
[18:57] <PommyN64> And in 3 years you've provided nothing for people to use against it.
[18:57] <PK> I cannot believe you would blame people making shit up about me
[18:57] <PK> on me
[18:57] <PK> what the hell is that even supposed to mean
[18:58] <PommyN64> Well I'm not the one who spread it. And to my knowledge nice artists don't get smear campaigns that last 3 years. Furries don't stay interested that long.
[18:58] <PK> am i supposed to dig up school papers, where i willfully resigned?
[18:58] <PK> that's
[18:58] <PK> such
[18:58] <PK> a liar
[18:58] <PK> lie**
[18:58] <PK> all of this
[18:58] <PommyN64> Well, truthfully, unless you did no one has any reason to believe you. And with your attitude, they probably wouldn't want to.
[18:58] <PommyN64> It's like Obama's birth certificate in a way.
[18:59] <PommyN64> Except he eventually did that and it shut most of them right up.
[18:59] <PommyN64> So who knows? Maybe that's one of your few options left to quell this beast you've been dealing with for years now.
[18:59] <PK> that's so fucking stupid though
[18:59] <PommyN64> THat's not for me to control, PK. I have no choice in that.
[18:59] <PK> it doesn't even matter except when people come in going Heh well I chose to not care about your.... "history."
[18:59] <PK> yes, you kind of did
[18:59] <PK> in bringing it up
[18:59] <PK> at all
[18:59] <PK> and lending any credibility to it in your own goddamn head
[18:59] <PommyN64> Well let me put it this way
[19:00] <PommyN64> If someone were to come to me, right now, saying they were thinking of commissioning you but heard I knew about you and wanted my thoughts.
[19:00] <PommyN64> What do you think I would do?
[19:00] <PK> I don't care what you would do
[19:00] <PK> that's why i left the furry community
[19:01] <PommyN64> But the community didn't leave you, and that's your problem. You hoped leaving it would end the drama but it followed you right hoe.
[19:01] <PommyN64> home*
[19:01] <PK> i manage to avoid it pretty well most of the time
[19:01] <PommyN64> Avoid is a fancy word for cowering from it and banning anyone who starts to bring it up, in front of your new posse.
[19:01] <PK> you also forget that I don't just rely on people approaching me to commission me
[19:01] <PK> i just dont care
[19:02] <PK> that's kind of bullshit though
[19:02] <PK> we specificall let you in to talk about it
[19:02] <PK> which you did not
[19:02] <PommyN64> I think you do. Or this wouldn't be so stressful for you.
[19:02] <PK> what is stressful for me is that i have to talk to you at all
[19:02] <PommyN64> Honestly PK I made a mistake back there. I should have simply stated I wasn't going to do that with the channel muted and then left.
[19:02] <PK> why should i have an interest in someone who: clearly does not know me
[19:02] <PommyN64> That was my mistake.
[19:02] <PK> yes, that was your mistake
[19:02] <PommyN64> Because even though I 'don't know you' apparently that 'dirt' was of value to you.
[19:02] <PK> then you cannot keep bringing up that I "cowered" and just "ban anyone who starts to bring it up"
[19:02] <PommyN64> Which implies a whole lot.
[19:03] <PommyN64> But you still do, and still will.
[19:03] <PK> you do not know shit
[19:03] <PommyN64> I know more than you think. It's not hard to figure out.
[19:03] <PommyN64> I've had to deal with the bullshit myself.
[19:03] <PK> it is, apparently, because you've been wrong about a great deal so far
[19:04] <PommyN64> As you say. We're coming full circle again.
[19:04] <PommyN64> Only you know for sure. And only you live with the consequences.
[19:04] <PK> might you reason, perhaps, that why I am so frustrated is that: I do know for sure, and so I know any "dirt" will be a lie?
[19:05] <PK> so the fact that "dirt" exists when i am super open to people who ask things and are curious about stuff... and that I share a great deal of my life and feelings...
[19:05] <PK> might be a little distressing?
[19:05] <PommyN64> Here's the part you're missing PK. Regardless of if it's a lie, many people believe it is true. And as those many people share it, more will come to believe it because "how could so many people be wrong"?
[19:05] <PK> when i know it cannot possibly be true?
[19:05] <PommyN64> This is basic psychology.
[19:05] <PommyN64> Even if YOU know it isn't true, THEY believe it is.
[19:05] <PK> why would you actively participate in that
[19:05] <PommyN64> Well, frankly, because you're not a very nice person and I don't care what happens to you as a result.
[19:05] <PK> Nice
[19:06] <PommyN64> That's exactly what I'm saying, PK. I am but one mind of hundreds.
[19:06] <PK> yes
[19:06] <PK> of sheep
[19:06] <PK> congrats
[19:06] <PommyN64> But SOMETHING had to happen to cause that mentality to start.
[19:06] <PK> learn to think for yourself maybe
[19:06] <PK> then we'll talk
[19:06] <PommyN64> I am.
[19:06] <PommyN64> I've decided, through my experiences with you
[19:06] <PK> I'm sure you think you are
[19:06] <PommyN64> That you are a terrible individual.
[19:06] <PK> go find some more opinions to believe
[19:07] <PommyN64> And while I will not proclaim it loudly
[19:07] <PommyN64> If I am asked
[19:07] <PommyN64> I will share that.
[19:07] <PK> go search 4chan and lulz, maybe
[19:07] <PK> find some more delicious rumors to buy into
[19:07] <PommyN64> Remember this conversation, PK, the next time you ask someone "Why are people hating me when I'm SO NICE."
(and then he was klined)