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  1. [28/12/2014, 2:37:27 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Man, hard rain gonna fall on ol' Ralph one of these days.
  2. [28/12/2014, 2:37:31 PM] Dan Olson: Stephen
  3. [28/12/2014, 2:37:35 PM] Athena Hollow: CoH was really good about that.
  4. [28/12/2014, 2:37:37 PM] Athena Hollow: I miss it :-/
  5. [28/12/2014, 2:37:41 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Anyone know if it's in poor taste to be consulting with multiple libel lawyers at once?
  6. [28/12/2014, 2:37:42 PM] Dina : Alex it can't come soon enough tbh
  7. [28/12/2014, 2:37:46 PM] Ian Cheong: Fucking Ralph
  8. [28/12/2014, 2:37:49 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: CoH is one of the exceptions, yes
  9. [28/12/2014, 2:37:55 PM] Dina : Ralph is a piece of shit
  10. [28/12/2014, 2:37:55 PM] Athena Hollow: I would say do the same w/ Doctors.
  11. [28/12/2014, 2:37:59 PM] Ian Cheong: I think he’s a scumbag
  12. [28/12/2014, 2:38:00 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Star Wars Galaxies was also pretty cool like that
  13. [28/12/2014, 2:38:05 PM] Dina : same, Ian
  14. [28/12/2014, 2:38:07 PM] Dan Olson: Alex: no - it's basically expected in Law
  15. [28/12/2014, 2:38:10 PM] Alex Lifschitz: We have one looking into a bunch of stuff right now, but I wanna chase down another.
  16. [28/12/2014, 2:38:17 PM] Alex Lifschitz: As soon as the holidays let up.
  17. [28/12/2014, 2:38:24 PM] Dina : polylawyery
  18. [28/12/2014, 2:40:57 PM] Tesseract: ralph is probably entirely unprepared for anything legal and would crumble at the first sign of a lawsuit
  19. [28/12/2014, 2:40:59 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Y'know, looking at all this Hotwheels stuff, I have a lot of shower arguments with myself over how to tackle it if, like, it ever came time to go on-the-record about stuff.
  20. [28/12/2014, 2:41:01 PM] Dina : and I am a happy Tank lol
  21. [28/12/2014, 2:41:04 PM] Athena Hollow: It had so many different builds and so many different ways of handling things.
  22. [28/12/2014, 2:41:15 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: I don't dislike grinding, but I need an endgame
  23. [28/12/2014, 2:41:15 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: what is ralph looking at legal issues over? i missed this
  24. [28/12/2014, 2:41:27 PM] Remy: same.
  25. [28/12/2014, 2:41:32 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Like, I will play DQ1
  26. [28/12/2014, 2:41:33 PM] Alex Lifschitz: If anyone ever asked me what I thought of him, I'd have to be sure to clarify that I'm only speaking in terms of what they've said. Some people, you just never know how the world may have failed them.
  27. [28/12/2014, 2:42:02 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: DQ1 is this neat little puzzle where I'm trying to work out how to waste the least amount of time hitting the point where I can go kill the dragon lord
  28. [28/12/2014, 2:42:04 PM] Remy: A lot of us have been failed by the world
  29. [28/12/2014, 2:42:05 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Sarah, RE: Ralph, he's a piece of shit and I also probably have a strong libel case against him but being litigious isn't usually the best answer. Just investigating options.
  30. [28/12/2014, 2:42:33 PM] Alex Lifschitz: All he cares about is his little spate of GG infamy, the only devastating thing to him would be to lose that.
  31. [28/12/2014, 2:42:43 PM] Athena Hollow: So gag order?
  32. [28/12/2014, 2:42:52 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Hell no. Take him to the cleaners.
  33. [28/12/2014, 2:42:57 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Pay for my fucking boat.
  34. [28/12/2014, 2:42:59 PM] Athena Hollow: hahahahaha
  35. [28/12/2014, 2:43:17 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: being litigeous is the only answer with GG in my book
  36. [28/12/2014, 2:43:22 PM] Alex Lifschitz: I mean, we're absolutely chasing it down and I'm absolutely pulling the trigger if I have a slam-dunk case.
  37. [28/12/2014, 2:43:32 PM] Athena Hollow: Yeah, they really need to get it into their heads that online is the same as offline.
  38. [28/12/2014, 2:43:35 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: start suing and arresting people and suddenly the hordes get scared
  39. [28/12/2014, 2:43:36 PM] Remy: When it comes down to it I feel like that's more important even than the money or even than the justice of having him see consequences for hurting you and your family
  40. [28/12/2014, 2:43:40 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: are we allowed to know what he said this is about? or would you rather not say
  41. [28/12/2014, 2:43:41 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and then maybe quit being terrible
  42. [28/12/2014, 2:43:43 PM] Athena Hollow: And the only way to prove that is to hold them accountable for the things they say.
  43. [28/12/2014, 2:43:50 PM] Remy: By starting the trend of showing public consequences it could help stem the tide of abuse
  44. [28/12/2014, 2:43:57 PM] Tesseract: articles on theralphretort are like 3 paragraphs long lol
  45. [28/12/2014, 2:44:06 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i wish bri would sue nero ;-;;
  46. [28/12/2014, 2:44:07 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Just looking into him. He wrote some patently false shit about me and I'm still looking for a job so I can prove damages.
  47. [28/12/2014, 2:44:13 PM] Tesseract: dude's like icer in that he's only popular because of a huge follower count he has for some baffling reason
  48. [28/12/2014, 2:44:41 PM] Remy: Heh ^_^" yeah I was kinda going full steam but those are my two cents if you ever have the means motive and opportunity to sue him or anyone else who has participated in this
  49. [28/12/2014, 2:44:53 PM] Tesseract: end him at the first opportunity
  50. [28/12/2014, 2:45:02 PM] Remy: ^
  51. [28/12/2014, 2:45:08 PM] Athena Hollow: I hate that you have to prove damages for those kinds of cases.
  52. [28/12/2014, 2:45:13 PM] Remy: I'm with Tess on this
  53. [28/12/2014, 2:45:20 PM] Athena Hollow: People shouldn't be legally allowed to just lie out their asses.
  54. [28/12/2014, 2:45:31 PM] Remy: I'm not even bloodthirsty I just wanna see heads roll so everyone else knows how f*cking crazy they're being
  55. [28/12/2014, 2:45:32 PM] Athena Hollow: That's not protected fucking speech. It's goddamn bold faced lies.
  56. [28/12/2014, 2:45:35 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Yeah, bringing the heavy legal rain down is one of my three pillars for finally snuffing out GG.
  57. [28/12/2014, 2:46:01 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ooh, what are the other two?
  58. [28/12/2014, 2:46:08 PM] Dina : I would sue the shit out of IA,  MundaneDolt, RalphRetort and a series of backers if I was in the USA
  59. [28/12/2014, 2:46:14 PM] SF: Is there a way we could be helping on those more tangible fronts? I still feel so impotent in this.
  60. [28/12/2014, 2:46:21 PM] Dina : for a year of fucking hell
  61. [28/12/2014, 2:46:23 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Bringing down their breeding grounds (8chan et al) and finally getting corporations to take a stand.
  62. [28/12/2014, 2:46:56 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: it's so bad they're trying to legislate change. "libel tourism" is a thing
  63. [28/12/2014, 2:46:58 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Yeah, that's the second part. Litigating is a factor.
  64. [28/12/2014, 2:46:59 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: ah
  65. [28/12/2014, 2:47:09 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: yeah, that 3rd pillar seems pretty tricky
  66. [28/12/2014, 2:47:18 PM] Alex Lifschitz: But it also takes years, and every day they're around and have a following is another day people in industry get marginalized.
  67. [28/12/2014, 2:47:21 PM] Remy: And honestly for someone like Nero
  68. [28/12/2014, 2:47:29 PM] Remy: Whose money is made on manufactured BS
  69. [28/12/2014, 2:47:34 PM] Remy: Take him for ever goddam penny
  70. [28/12/2014, 2:47:36 PM] Remy: Or pence
  71. [28/12/2014, 2:47:38 PM] Remy: whatever
  72. [28/12/2014, 2:47:43 PM] Alex Lifschitz: I'm not worried about Nero. If he publishes his book and it mentions Zoe at all, he's fucked on UK libel laws.
  73. [28/12/2014, 2:48:04 PM] Tesseract: that fucking book, how many copies does he expect to sell
  74. [28/12/2014, 2:48:06 PM] Alex Lifschitz: And her agents will probably be the first to take up sabers on that front. They do not fuck around.
  75. [28/12/2014, 2:48:49 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: http://cathodedebris.tumblr.com/post/102289586233/the-villans-of-gamergate-1-milo-yiannopoulos
  76. [28/12/2014, 2:48:59 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Curious about his book, too. We think he's using the nazi thing to distance himself from GG, but it's also gonna destroy his readerbase because he's so dense as to still have no clue how fast they turn on anyone pledging less than absolute fealty to the movement.
  77. [28/12/2014, 2:49:31 PM] Athena Hollow: Yep. That's exactly what I think as well.
  78. [28/12/2014, 2:49:36 PM] Athena Hollow: He needs a big dramatic ending.
  79. [28/12/2014, 2:49:37 PM] SF: I was expecting him to parachute out on a wedge issue, but yeah he's overestimating how fondly they remember people.
  80. [28/12/2014, 2:49:39 PM] Tesseract: nero's kind of an anomaly in gg in that he seems like he knows what he's doing on some level as opposed to the others who just constantly piss themselves
  81. [28/12/2014, 2:49:41 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Cool dude, been trying to anonymously compile dirt on big name GGers for the benefit of anyone trying to take them to court
  82. [28/12/2014, 2:49:50 PM] Athena Hollow: He could have spun the CP stuff, NOT THIS though.
  83. [28/12/2014, 2:49:54 PM] SF: Yeah Nero doesn't seem as emotionally invested.
  84. [28/12/2014, 2:50:00 PM] Athena Hollow: especially after having been likened to anti-Semitism before.
  85. [28/12/2014, 2:50:38 PM] Athena Hollow: Honestly I think his last few 'gamer' related articles have been to spit in their faces just to see how far he could take it
  86. [28/12/2014, 2:50:50 PM] Athena Hollow: and when they didn't let up, he realized he was going to have to step away.
  87. [28/12/2014, 2:51:08 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Watching Kluwe get to Nero and Cerno on the level of "come on, clearly you guys are in it for business" was great to watch
  88. [28/12/2014, 2:51:10 PM] Athena Hollow: He raised a little cult and has no fucking clue how bad he's gonna get it when he runs.
  89. [28/12/2014, 2:51:13 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Because of their tacit admission
  90. [28/12/2014, 2:51:34 PM] Alex Lifschitz: GG is blood out. No leaving without getting curbstomped.
  91. [28/12/2014, 2:51:59 PM] Dina : What happened to Internet Aristocrat btw?
  92. [28/12/2014, 2:51:59 PM] Alex Lifschitz: He got his pound of flesh in gullible latent archconservatives.
  93. [28/12/2014, 2:52:17 PM] Alex Lifschitz: He kinda disappeared after turning on GG for being idiots.
  94. [28/12/2014, 2:52:19 PM] Athena Hollow: I think it's both Stephen.
  95. [28/12/2014, 2:52:20 PM] Tesseract: his twitter is back but I don't want to read it
  96. [28/12/2014, 2:52:34 PM] Dina : oh I didn't even realized he deleted his Twitter
  97. [28/12/2014, 2:52:36 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Nobody on 8chan talks about him anymore. It's all Sargon and Ralph.
  98. [28/12/2014, 2:52:36 PM] Remy: I'm gonna be honest
  99. [28/12/2014, 2:52:44 PM] Tesseract: internet aristocrat seemed to pretty much not give a shit for the majority of the the time he was even in gg
  100. [28/12/2014, 2:52:49 PM] Dina : forgot about Sargon....
  101. [28/12/2014, 2:52:54 PM] Remy: I watched that dude's big YT rant where he "outed" everyone in GG and I still don't understand WTF he was so angry about or what the hell was going on
  102. [28/12/2014, 2:52:58 PM] Athena Hollow: Ugh. Sargon.
  103. [28/12/2014, 2:53:08 PM] Alex Lifschitz: IA basically said "of course I was using you idiots for money" and they started infighting
  104. [28/12/2014, 2:53:18 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: IA's done the whole disappearing thing before. i don't know WHAT his deal is honestly. like for example he went out of his way to never monetize his videos-- whatever he's in it for, it isn't money like ralph or sargon
  105. [28/12/2014, 2:53:20 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: or MM
  106. [28/12/2014, 2:53:33 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: nah, IA never made a cent AFAIK
  107. [28/12/2014, 2:53:33 PM] Athena Hollow: Epic trolling?
  108. [28/12/2014, 2:53:40 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: no patreon no youtube monetization
  109. [28/12/2014, 2:53:40 PM] Tesseract: he also fingered his girlfriend on stream and since that involved a woman having sex gamergate got super fucking pissed
  110. [28/12/2014, 2:53:42 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: nothing
  111. [28/12/2014, 2:54:07 PM] Remy: That I hadn't heard, Tess
  112. [28/12/2014, 2:54:11 PM] Dina : wait... he did?
  113. [28/12/2014, 2:54:22 PM] Dina : Also, a woman let IA near her?
  114. [28/12/2014, 2:54:23 PM] Alex Lifschitz: IA pops in every now and again to monetize new antifeminist campaigns. He'll probably return in a scandal outside the games sphere.
  115. [28/12/2014, 2:54:26 PM] Athena Hollow: LOL
  116. [28/12/2014, 2:54:28 PM] Remy: lol Dina
  117. [28/12/2014, 2:54:32 PM] Tesseract: it was the same stream that KoP dropped some holocaust denial shit
  118. [28/12/2014, 2:54:33 PM] Remy: Remy wants a high five for that
  119. [28/12/2014, 2:54:44 PM] Tesseract: said stream is infamous in gg
  120. [28/12/2014, 2:54:51 PM] Dina : jfc
  121. [28/12/2014, 2:54:55 PM] Athena Hollow: It was the beginning of the end lol
  122. [28/12/2014, 2:55:00 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: what had he monetized, alex? from what i heard he was pretty furious at people like MM/ralph/etc that were trying to makee money
  123. [28/12/2014, 2:55:03 PM] Athena Hollow: Shit started speeding downhill from there.
  124. [28/12/2014, 2:55:22 PM] Athena Hollow: That was the first time Milo made mention about starting to cut ties.
  125. [28/12/2014, 2:55:34 PM] Athena Hollow: But then got a wild hair up his ass to make money off of it instead.
  126. [28/12/2014, 2:55:48 PM] Alex Lifschitz: IA got nearly a million views on his Quinnspiracy video. That's a couple grand.
  127. [28/12/2014, 2:55:57 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: it wasn't monetized
  128. [28/12/2014, 2:56:03 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: he had no YT partnership activated
  129. [28/12/2014, 2:56:07 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Weird.
  130. [28/12/2014, 2:56:08 PM] Dina : oh wow
  131. [28/12/2014, 2:56:19 PM] Dina : I don't know if that makes it better or worse tbh
  132. [28/12/2014, 2:56:23 PM] Ian Cheong: Huh
  133. [28/12/2014, 2:56:24 PM] Remy: So that leaves either irrational obsession, personal vendetta, or both
  134. [28/12/2014, 2:56:26 PM] Athena Hollow: In it to be a drama llama
  135. [28/12/2014, 2:56:31 PM] Dina : lol
  136. [28/12/2014, 2:56:32 PM] Athena Hollow: He's pretty anti-feminist
  137. [28/12/2014, 2:56:36 PM] Alex Lifschitz: E-peen?
  138. [28/12/2014, 2:56:41 PM] Athena Hollow: so he has personal reasons to be all up in that crazy shit.
  139. [28/12/2014, 2:56:52 PM] Remy: Maybe trashing women on the internet is the only way he's ever felt popular or validated
  140. [28/12/2014, 2:57:02 PM] Remy: People will fight just as hard for their own identity as they will money
  141. [28/12/2014, 2:57:04 PM] Remy: Harder even
  142. [28/12/2014, 2:57:06 PM] Athena Hollow: yup.
  143. [28/12/2014, 2:57:24 PM] Ian Cheong: He disappeared after GG decided not to attack SJWs as much as he wanted them to
  144. [28/12/2014, 2:57:34 PM] Athena Hollow: Didn't MM & him get into it
  145. [28/12/2014, 2:58:00 PM] Athena Hollow: like really hardcore & he said "FUCK THIS SHIT!" and deleted everything?
  146. [28/12/2014, 2:58:10 PM] Ian Cheong: Getting my laptop so I can type better
  147. [28/12/2014, 2:58:27 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: yeah IA was mad at 1) people making money and 2) the "ethics" concerns vs the SJW ones
  148. [28/12/2014, 2:59:20 PM] Dina : in many ways, IA was the most honest GG-er of them all
  149. [28/12/2014, 2:59:33 PM] Athena Hollow: he was trying to court people to look through the ggblocker to find other devs & have them try to launch a lawsuit
  150. [28/12/2014, 2:59:36 PM] Remy: But then Slade roped him into their next project
  151. [28/12/2014, 2:59:37 PM] Athena Hollow: Of course, with Rogue endorsing it.
  152. [28/12/2014, 3:00:12 PM] Remy: Their next project, by the way, is to spam everyone on the GGautoblocker list to find anyone who might be willing to claim to be a game developer wrongfully injured by the black list (please read: block list)
  153. [28/12/2014, 3:00:48 PM] Remy: Or as I like to call it, Operation: Hey, Just How Many of Us Are Actually Real Game Developers, Anyway?
  154. [28/12/2014, 3:00:50 PM] Athena Hollow: Too bad no fucking court in the world would see it that way since there are countless other ways in which you can contact someone else LOL and if you're associating w/ a toxic hate group on the internet, tough titty.
  155. [28/12/2014, 3:00:56 PM] Dina : LMAO Stephen
  156. [28/12/2014, 3:01:00 PM] Athena Hollow: LOL
  157. [28/12/2014, 3:01:16 PM] Remy: Apparently they think if they get enough anime avatars to claim financial damage from being blocked on Twitter
  158. [28/12/2014, 3:01:21 PM] Remy: 2: ...?
  159. [28/12/2014, 3:01:21 PM] Athena Hollow: I mean, if they aren't sea lion assholes, they can petition.
  160. [28/12/2014, 3:01:23 PM] Remy: 3: Profit!
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