Joey & SMBX community and pixy's love for pixels & mousebot

<XerX|Recoding> uh
<XerX|Recoding> what
<Yoshibrothers> staplebutter seemingly has nothing better to do than waste his life trying to ruin the community
<XerX|Recoding> yup
<Yoshibrothers> kind of sad, really
<XerX|Recoding> Staple is an ass
<XerX|Recoding> I don't usually say that about people
<Yoshibrothers> I either see the downfall being users leaving through the conflicts between Knux's Forum and SMBX.org or StapleButter destroying the community piece by (small) piece
<Elsah> and PGW uniting
<Yoshibrothers> while I want to say we've had worse times
<Yoshibrothers> I just can't
<Elsah> but really, knux blew his shit
<Yoshibrothers> well yeah
<XerX|Recoding> This community is going down faster everyday
<Elsah> his chance to cash in
<Yoshibrothers> if anything Knux's forum will fall first
<Elsah> ^
<XerX|Recoding> Yeah I see it
<Yoshibrothers> but this one(notice how I'm keeping from mentioning his name) will definitely crash when all of the users leave because of the initial conflict and eventual downfall of Knux's
<Yoshibrothers> all of the notable users will have left and SMBX will be a memory
<Yoshibrothers> when will that happen, I'm not certain
<XerX|Recoding> Knux's forum is like the foundation. Once it falls, everything else will follow
<XerX|Recoding> current foundation*
<XerX|Recoding> cause
<XerX|Recoding> SMB.org was the original I guess
<Yoshibrothers> like I said the moment I came to this specific forum
<Yoshibrothers> I'm just here to watch it crash and burn with the community
<Elsah> I'll just go with Raster's words
<Elsah> <Raster> users are given too much audacity
<Elsah> <Raster> any smbx user can go and say "I hate Joey", make his own forum and steal traffic
<Yoshibrothers> what did Raster say
<Yoshibrothers> lol true
<Elsah> <Raster> i feel the community's dying
<Yoshibrothers> reghrhre and gohan did that
<Elsah> so uh
<Yoshibrothers> Knux did that too I guess
<Yoshibrothers> but he had a forum already
<Elsah> I also believe in a better forum is possible.
<Elsah> but too many people are trying
<Elsah> as if they can do any better and handle the shit
<Yoshibrothers> the smbx community was never one, it was just who had the most thunder
<Elsah> Joey can obviously handle things better, or whatever staff choices..but at the same time
<Elsah> people are too anti-joey
<Elsah> give him a chance too ffs
<XerX|Recoding> Down with Joey <3
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<Yoshibrothers> I don't know what I am anymore to say the least
<Yoshibrothers> I'm just me
<Yoshibrothers> and anyone who wants to stand by me and not even pick a side
<Elsah> also, you just wanted a place to share levels and things rihgt?
<XerX> I question why I come here everyday
<Elsah> right *
<XerX> then I'm like
<Yoshibrothers> XerX because there are people you have created bonds with
<Elsah> a place where you can enjoy the community I guess, Joey has his own way of trying to achieve this
<Yoshibrothers> many people feel that way
<XerX> Yeah let's go with that :3
<Yoshibrothers> but some don't have the same feel
<Yoshibrothers> they could ban you with the flick of a wrist or just hate you for no reason
<Yoshibrothers> because they simply don't care
<Yoshibrothers> I just wish there was a place
<Yoshibrothers> where nobody had power
<Yoshibrothers> we were just us
<Elsah> idk lol
<Yoshibrothers> we did what we wanted, but with no negative wants or needs
<Elsah> but yea, more being-with the community
<Yoshibrothers> everyone is split into a faction
<Elsah> it's a interweb of dislike
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<Elsah> hate
<Elsah> you should have seen the drama at #teatime yesterday xD
<Elsah> once people found out Elsa was able to kickban lol
<Elsah> even though he wasn't op
<Elsah> "this channel isn't neutral!"
<Yoshibrothers> the factions are the Knuxians, the Joeyans, and the Spanish Armada
<Elsah> but Elsa has a fair point too, if Ciel and others who aren't exactly pro-joey are op
<Elsah> why not him, whom people label "pro joey"
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<Elsah> why not
<Yoshibrothers> mmm yeah okay
<Elsah> but really I agree with the <Yoshibrothers> everyone is split into a faction
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<Yoshibrothers> whatevah!
<Elsah> hard to be neutral
<Elsah> I mean find neutral channel ops :p
<Elsah> to*
<@Joey> <Yoshibrothers> I just wish there was a place
<@Joey> <Yoshibrothers> where nobody had power
<@Joey> this viewpoint is a part of the problem.
<Yoshibrothers> well you have Knux's side, Joey's side, the smaller forum groups, and neutral groups
<Yoshibrothers> I don't think it is
<Yoshibrothers> its not the problem
<Yoshibrothers> its your problem
<Elsah> I bet some people don't like the forum /because/ they don't like Joey
<Elsah> so they get reasons to blame his actions
<@Joey> first of all, to be blunt, everyone in this community is too concerned with "who's admin" and "why do we have 4 admins" and "who's gonna be global mod because he got demoted"
<@Joey> like
<@Joey> chill
<@Joey> secondly
<@Joey> this "drama" is not much of a surprise
<@Joey> before i took up this position i knew full well that people weren't going to like it
<@Joey> i expected that
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<@Joey> and even warned people about it
<Yoshibrothers> its not a surprise more than its a problem that, like XerX said, eats up more and more of the community every day
<kinoko> hi joey! :D
<@Joey> hi
<kinoko> hi :D
<Elsah> that's true
<Elsah> for the most part
<@Joey> this community isn't being eaten up every day
<kinoko> it tastes nice
<Elsah> ew man
<kinoko> with honey
<Elsah> k let's be serious and hear joey out ^^
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<kinoko> ok
<@Joey> so
<@Joey> in short, yeah, people are gonna dislike some stuff i do.
<@Joey> that was, to word it backwards, one of my goals.
<Yoshibrothers> in recent Darkonius semi left, and FatOldSweaty has become very harsh to users around him and wants his account deleted(the same goes for Cliftin)
<kinoko> 2x2=l2
<kinoko> hm
<@Joey> don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to do things so that people don't like me
<@Joey> but like, being stricter was one of my goals.
<@Joey> because we really, really need it.
<Elsah> but this means some users don't feel welcome.
<Yoshibrothers> I know where you're coming from
<kinoko> I'm sorry what staplebutter and people did
<@Joey> there's a difference between "not feeling welcome" and "not being babied"
<Elsah> as 8bit said there was more "fun" in knux's forum to him
<Elsah> the "boobs or butt" thread .etc being locked contributes to this
<kinoko> I'm a 8bit mushroom! :D
<Elsah> that's just another view, but I'm just saying
<Elsah> that being stricter can be good and bad for the community
<@Joey> i'll ask this: how is it bad?
<kinoko> everything has good things and bad things
<Elsah> obviously the mature ones would probably be never bothered by it
<Yoshibrothers> being too strict and being to loose is bad either way
<Yoshibrothers> you need a balance
<Elsah> true
<@Joey> right
<Elsah> <@Joey> but like, being stricter was one of my goals.
<Elsah> stricter than the knux forum? I presume
<@Joey> but everyone here is so used to the "too loose" (toulouse?)
<@Joey> yes, stricter than knuxforum.
<kinoko> strict is very good
<@Joey> everyone was used to knuxforum and my forum became a rude awakening for some.
<@Joey> so the "normal" seems like "too strict"
<@Joey> at least that's what I'd think.
<@Joey> keep in mind also that most people are okay with the current state of the community/my forum.
<Yoshibrothers> I'm sure as hell okay with it
<Elsah> yea, as someone told me "I just want a place to share my levels and interact with the community"
<@GhostHawk> it's pretty good
<Yoshibrothers> I honestly think that its not the forum, but the members held within it
<@Joey> ^
<@GhostHawk> ^
<Elsah> the problem is that it loses the interacting part if members aren't satisfied
<@Joey> Yoshibrothers I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion based on everything else you said before it but nonetheless I agree with you
<@Joey> Elsah: except, think about it. who here is /really/ unsatisfied with the place?
<@Joey> anybody who has made a leaving topic in the introductions forum doesn't count.
<@Joey> over the past few days*
<Yoshibrothers> hmm
<Yoshibrothers> reghrhre
<Elsah> hmmm
<Elsah> yea, Fenfir
<Elsah> sleepy, gohan
<kinoko> gohan
<kinoko> is that reizenni?
<Elsah> Raster to some extent
<Yoshibrothers> yes
<Elsah> yea kinoko
<kinoko> ok
<@Joey> i would disagree with Raster at least from what I've seen
<@Joey> so...reghrhre, blueoak, sleepy, and gohan
<Elsah> well, he thinks you could have better staff choices and listen to the community a bit more
<Elsah> meh, I guess that doesn't count
<Yoshibrothers> Knux but that is a whole different topic
<Elsah> BTB Zvoid
<@Joey> lol
<Elsah> magibrowser *
<Elsah> although..ofc they are ..themseleves
<@GhostHawk> BTB was forced out
<@GhostHawk> he didn't leave
<Elsah> <@Joey> Elsah: except, think about it. who here is /really/ unsatisfied with the place?
<kinoko> where can I see gohan?
<Elsah> > unsatisfied GhostHawk
<Yoshibrothers> Christian to some extent
<Elsah> indeed
<Yoshibrothers> michel and pixels
<@GhostHawk> oooo
<@Joey> blueoak, BTB, ZVoid, and sleepy (to an extent) are what i like to call "people who come from knuxforums and expect its atmosphere"
<Elsah> 8bit
<@Joey> 8bit too.
<kinoko> 8vit
<kinoko> *bit :P
<Yoshibrothers> vinyl to a very slight extent
<kinoko> I'm 8bit
<@Joey> that all checks out.
<kinoko> here: http://rvlution.net/forums/profile/2229-kinoko/
<kinoko> my avatar :D
<@Joey> let me explain my staff choices for a moment
<kinoko> ok
<Elsah> alrighty
<Yoshibrothers> wow smithuser is there
<Yoshibrothers> okay
<@Joey> a lot of my staff is here because they're good to work with.
<Elsah> Viola isn't satisfied either xD
<@Joey> and are, generally, just cool people.
<@Joey> we all have pretty low tolerance for bullshit and can point it out when we see it.
<@Joey> these are people that also have been in the community for a while.
<@Joey> what i like about this staff team is that we're all real with eachother.
<@Joey> sure, we disagree on stuff
<@Joey> but we're mature about it.
<Elsah> no getting a staff member from the "other faction" to "balance it out" and please everyone
<@Joey> there are no factions
<Elsah> I guess you're just choosing people that work for you
<Elsah> <@Joey> what i like about this staff team is that we're all real with eachother.
<Elsah> this might not be possible if you didn't do that
<@Joey> what do you mean
<Yoshibrothers> Elsah you make it sound like its the mafia lol
<Elsah> lol
<Elsah> say Fenfir has some attraction to the knux side
<@GhostHawk> <Joey> there are no factions
<Elsah> he becomes mod
<@GhostHawk> idk about this
<Elsah> it would obviously be hard to quell disagreement idk
<Elsah> <@Joey> what i like about this staff team is that we're all real with eachother.
<@GhostHawk> I do get a kind of us vs them feel from some frequent viewers on knux's forum who left here
<Elsah> > real with each other
<kinoko> bye
<Elsah> that would be hard I suppose
<Elsah> it would benefit to bring so called "peace" maybe.
<Elsah> but this might be just "pleasing" the community
<@Joey> i'm a bit lost, Elsah
<Elsah> Let's use Fenfir as an *example*
<Elsah> he's the community's choice
<Elsah> (that's what a lot of people say)
<Elsah> for being mod/part of staff
<Elsah> but, it's just that he might not agree with you
<Elsah> or the rest of the staff team over certain things
<Yoshibrothers> a lot of people are in fefnir's favor actually
<@Joey> mhm
<@Joey> i see what you're saying
<Elsah> <@Joey> what i like about this staff team is that we're all real with eachother.
<Elsah> being "real" with each other is hard
<@Joey> how so
<Elsah> I'm not saying fenfir is immature or whatever, but he has different views probably
<Elsah> real with each other, as in
<Elsah> able to settle it out peacefully?
<@Joey> settle what out?
<Elsah> the disagreements
<@Joey> real with eachother just meant being genuine
<Elsah> <@Joey> sure, we disagree on stuff
<Elsah> <@Joey> but we're mature about it.
<Elsah> k
<@Joey> that too
»» Elsah isn't suggesting that fenfir is not mature
<@Joey> he isn't
<Elsah> but at the same time
<Elsah> Fenfir is like community choice or whatever
<Yoshibrothers> since Fefnir's views were not fulfilled or even considered, he swapped for something he could work with
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<@Joey> here's the thing about fefnir
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<Elsah> <Elsah> it would benefit to bring so called "peace" maybe.
<Elsah> <Elsah> but this might be just "pleasing" the community
<@Joey> he started to get cocky really quickly during the days of the smbx council
<Elsah> Raster and others disagree on Elsa being admin too obviously, but whole other issue
<@Joey> "i'm an admin at knux's and smbxr so i should be calling the shots"
<@Joey> is, to some extent, what he said
<@Joey> and then
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<@Joey> every time i would do something he wouldn't agree with, we would argue to the point where he would get angry and walk away
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<@Joey> then the staff election happened
<@Joey> and he "worked so hard for it"
<@Joey> and then got INCREDIBLY pissed when he didn't get the position
<Yoshibrothers> all he really did was say "Blueoak or riot" and everyone went in his favor
<@Joey> i know
<Yoshibrothers> I honestly had the upper hand
<Yoshibrothers> I even gave a speech or two
<Elsah> lol
<@Joey> then he would talk about how he wanted to be moderator and stuff
<Yoshibrothers> but I was driven out of the water by not only him but Knux and qig
<@Joey> while simultaneously badmouthing me behind my back
<Yoshibrothers> made me look incompetant
<@Joey> so like, i have no reason at all to promote blueoak to anything
<Yoshibrothers> I agree with that
<@Joey> another thing about "what the community wants"
<@Joey> we can't entrust "the community" (which, in blueoak's case, is really just a few members that would be okay with him being on the staff) with decisions like this
<@Joey> and that's one of our problems
<@Joey> users here feel too entitled
<@Joey> the staff here is, for the most part, the same age or older than a lot of the community members
<@Joey> none of them are stereotypical hotheaded internet kids
<@Joey> we're just...normal people.
<@Joey> i say that because the staff "knows best"
<@Joey> which is a bad way to describe it
<Elsah> My point's bottom line: Your preference of opting for staff members with which you can "work with", and not promoting "liked or likeable" members of the community, has both a good and bad result with the community (in my view).
<@Joey> makes sense
<Elsah> it could cause "balance of power" in most people's view
<Elsah> and thus result in "peace"
<Elsah> but in other sense, in-fighting between staff isn't good either
<Elsah> another*
<@Joey> my thing with "likeable members" is that being likeable has nothing to do with whether or not you'd be a good staff member
<@Joey> e.g. Chad
<@Joey> there's nothing inherently wrong with in-fighting between staffers
<Elsah> and from that stems the "you could listen to the community more" comments, again good and bad
<Elsah> yea
<@Joey> the problem with in-fighting happens when staff teams start to let it get the best of them
<@Joey> which we certainly don't
<@Joey> like, there are a lot of disagreements that go on in this team
<@Joey> but it doesn't phase us
<@Joey> we still do our jobs just fine
<@Joey> <Elsah> it could cause "balance of power" in most people's view
<@Joey> define "balance of power"
<Elsah> well in this case, some people (as you probably already know) love to say that you love to promote people you think like
<Elsah> it goes on your choices
<Elsah> even Valtteri complains once in a while like "oh now DarkMatt is forum dev  just because Joey fucking "values" his opinion" or something like that
<Yoshibrothers> I find that isn't absolutely the case
<@Joey> i mean, of course me liking them has something to do with it
<@Joey> and i do value darkmatt's opinion, for what it's worth.
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<Yoshibrothers> was this the case with Valtteri and Quill as well
<Elsah> or people question why Elsa is admin if he isn't that good of a staffer (in their view), is it because he's workable for you? they question
<Yoshibrothers> both of them did have ties with Knux in the past
<Yoshibrothers> its almost like saying you brought them in besides liking them
<@Joey> Valtteri was a product of the merge
<@Joey> Quill was my suggestion during the merge/council time
<@Joey> and people were okay with it
<@Joey> so Quill was a product of the merge as well but it was my idea
<Elsah> People basically are prone to think that the staff choices and all are because you like them and shit, (you explained this as choices you can "work with")
<Elsah> but for others it might mean, you're having too much power.. or
<@Joey> so basically
<@Joey> people just get mad because i promote people i like
<Elsah> "Joey has lots of good intentions, but it's what he thinks is best for the community"
<Elsah> "which doesn't work with everyone because that might not be the case"
<Elsah> they might not be best *
<Maruiki> I respect what Joey does.
<Yoshibrothers> rewording it might work too
<@Joey> well, not everyone is going to be pleased 100% of the time. and i'm always open to hearing ideas.
<Maruiki> If he wants to make DarkMatt a forum dev, I respect that.
<Elsah> and that's where "Joey doesn't to the community enough" stems from
<Elsah> Yoshibrothers himself questions why Ignoritus was promoted iirc :P
<@Joey> people seem to equate "Joey doesn't like my idea" with "Joey isn't listening to me"
<Yoshibrothers> did I?
<Yoshibrothers> maybe
<@Joey> also they equate "Joey didn't implement my suggestion" with "Joey isn't listening to me"
<Elsah> Yoshibrothers, you sure did lmao
<Yoshibrothers> I guess I did
<Elsah> do you still
<@Joey> alright, i'm gonna go for the night
<Yoshibrothers> not really, though I am bothered since he doesn't seem to do anything much if not at all
<Elsah> yea people also use Fallingsnow
<Elsah> Kley and others
<Elsah> as an example that some of your staff choices are just based on likeablitiy
<Elsah> but uh, nvm
<Elsah> G'night
<Maruiki> wasnt fallingsnow a moderator on the old smbx forums?
<Maruiki> b
<Maruiki> oops
<Yoshibrothers> I think the more inactive mods should at least be replaced with people you could trust, even if you don't like them
<Maruiki> erikmouse anyone?
<Maruiki> lol
<Yoshibrothers> but I won't argue if you don't
<@GhostHawk> That's kind of what's happening.
<Elsah> well I do argue that
<@GhostHawk> Now that Uncle Sam and Snow have been demoting we're still discussing replacements.
<Elsah> k
<Yoshibrothers> kk
<Yoshibrothers> http://rvlution.net/thread/2844-shut-up-about-that-hacked-board/#post61499
<Elsah> and it all comes down to "Joey's ways" and what the community is used to
<Elsah> I would like both parties to consider the other side more, instead of just labelin each other
<Elsah> labeling *
<@Joey> i'll leave you guys with this, though: most of the "drama" right now is a result of people overreacting to things that are relatively insignificant. people just need to chill with the meta-discussion, relax a bit, and trust that I have good things in mind to make this community better. we won't always agree on things and I'm certainly not perfect or correct all the time, but I am positive that we are on the right track.
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<Elsah> example: discontent, dictator, pissy, jealous
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<Yoshibrothers> hmm
<Elsah> "twat" as knux says
<Elsah> anyway
<Elsah> mooth hi BoxMooth !
<BoxMooth> yes
<BoxMooth> what
<BoxMooth> since when does twat mean dictator lol
<Elsah> lol
<Elsah> it doesn't
<Elsah> "relax a bit, and trust that I have good things in mind to make this community better."
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<Elsah> this is what I meant when I said "give him a chance ffs"
<BoxMooth> gg Joes
<BoxMooth> joeY
<Elsah> that's why the anti-joey hate is overblown
<Elsah> I mean cmon, be mature
<Elsah> gg mooth
<Elsah> at least when accusing others
<BoxMooth> Yeah Community sucks
<Elsah> Yea Mothie