Robert Hill
its flat out weak to legislate that
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and the ultimate form of mind control
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control of games/movies/books are the ultimate way to silence dissent

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6:09
I don't think there is anything wrong with rating movies

Robert Hill
6:09
in the same way that DND and Superman comics were said to be "satanic" and "evil"

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6:09
If for no other reason than public knowledge
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If a parent wants their kid to see an R movie they can take them

Robert Hill
6:09
not any more
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as of now you HAVE to be 17+ to get in to an R rated movie
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I remember that clearly, because I went to see Scream with an aunt (awesome aunt, indeed) and they blocked me.

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6:10
Damn

Robert Hill
6:10
even though we were both cool with it
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the rating isnt the issue
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its legislating a rating thats the problem

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6:12
I believe in requiring identification of the medias content for parental and personal discretion,
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But it is a little messed up to remove the parent entirely

Robert Hill
6:13
its like this

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6:13
If it gets to the point where buying a kid an MA game is considered abuse,
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That will be fucked up

Robert Hill
6:13
Its 1940. 1984 is now labels MA-17.
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*labelled
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Oops, you cant read THAT citizen, here, WE know whats better for you

distortionfile@gmail.com
6:14
It all boils down to black or white
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The federal government either should legislate things or they shouldn't legislate anything

Robert Hill
6:15
no, that isnt how that work
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Legislate the companies all you want
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do NOT regulate citizens
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YOu want mandatory ratings? Fine
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But it is NOT constitutional to legislate the choice of ignoring them

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6:17
But pretty much all laws are a legislation of individual rights
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Like don't be naked

Robert Hill
6:17
no, Law is to protect the public interest and good

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6:17
Don't speed

Robert Hill
6:17
not to restrict anything

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6:17
Don't run stop signs

Robert Hill
6:17
thats the entire point of the constitution
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not to legislate a choice
6:18
but see, the government owns those roads
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that is a terrible analogy either way

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6:18
They believe that restricting childrens access to movies is in the publics best interest

Robert Hill
6:18
but on zero worthwhile grounds
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at all
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and generally the way to go about that is to outlaw production
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not purchase and choice of FOR SALE products
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its the same gripe i have with the cigarette hate
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if its so bad, and such a problem
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remove it from production

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6:20
I'm not saying its right I'm just saying its a hard system to fix
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That's why it got voted down I suspect
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For video games any way
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Films, at least for now, are a slightly different standard than games and certainly books. Movies can make you believe what you're seeing is real
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But that's so much worse

Robert Hill
6:20
no they cant

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6:20
No more boobs or swears

Robert Hill
6:20
that is such a load of bullshit
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anyone who can say that a MOVIE caused them to think something is real
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is absolutely, no-questions, insane as it is
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its fucking fiction

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6:21
I don't mean in that sense
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I'm not saying you will start believing in hogwarts
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I mean you can watch a vivid sexual or violent act and the only reason you 'know' it wasn't real is it was a movie
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Did they film a girl being murdered? Most likely and hopefully not
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But what you see is the same as what you might see in real life
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Where as at least right now, games still aren't quite there
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And you don't have to imagine all the gore when you read

Robert Hill
6:24
Ugh that has to be the dumbest thing i have ever heard
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Oh noes, I read "The Raven", did it ACTUALLY HAPPEN? Maybe Poe was writing about hois OWN MURDERS
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its fiction
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the very definition of fiction is that it "brings you to another world"
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whether video, print, or CG 3D
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or radio shows, or anything

distortionfile@gmail.com
6:25
Your are not seeing the point of what I'm saying. I'm not talking about speculating if events actually happened

Robert Hill
6:26
if someone is a big enough idiot not to grasp that, they are incredibly dumb
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even a 3 year old gets reality v. fiction

distortionfile@gmail.com
6:27
I'm talking about the lack of clarity. I'm talking about the fact that you can believe in what you are seeing, not that you believe it really happened. Films can make you experience something as vividly as if you actually did.

Robert Hill
6:27
Dude, that is a flat out falsehood
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there is no lack of clarity
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its fairly clear, to anyone seeing it, that harrison ford hasnt actually been shot
6:28
or that dinosaurs are not ripping actual people up
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You stand on no legs on this issue, and its a 2000 year old legless argument

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6:28
All I mean is they have the potential to be scaring
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It is not
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You can be scared by a movie
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It can make you cry
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It can make you laugh
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Movies can have an instant visceral impact on you

Robert Hill
6:28
back when kids were reading naughty cave paintings they had this
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Books have the same impact
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it has no effect on the medium you are given the story on
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its a story
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just because its video makes it no more real
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at all.

distortionfile@gmail.com
6:29
All your doing is belittling my point. Cave paintings are fucking cartoons. I give up.

Robert Hill
6:29
Im belittling it because it really is pretty dumb
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fiction has been fiction since it has existed
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a book will make you cry, feel creeped out, the same as any movie
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your stand is that because its video its different
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Newsflash: its not