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- In-game diplo channel ..
- [02:37:39] Babou Momaki > Excuse me, How would i go about making you gentlement blue to my alliance?
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- Mailed response. Follow up if needed.
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- Blue status
- From: Valkorsia
- Sent: 2018.01.14 03:59
- To: Babou Momaki,
- [02:37:39] Babou Momaki > Excuse me, How would i go about making you gentlement blue to my alliance?
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- Probably by renting space in Paragon Soul?
- You had your chance - were blue - shot TEST, then roamed with Red Alliance. Good luck :)
- o/
- Valk
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- (From Skirmish Command Discord)
- Farmstink-Today at 8:02 PM
- quite simply
- they can rent from us in paragon soul
- or they can die
- Farmstink-Today at 8:03 PM
- but right now they are fleeting up with red alliance
- i mean
- if they STOP
- then sure
- Valkorsia-Today at 8:04 PM
- Think they're feeling the pressure. My take, anyway
- NEW MESSAGES
- Farmstink-Today at 8:06 PM
- oh for sure
- we just rf'd their sov and put an offensive astra above their staging fort
- thats the kind of thing that makes anyone nervous
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- http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Immensea/K-ZKBM >> http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Immensea/4MY-AB >> Two constellations they claimed in Immensea. Under continuous pressure by Predds and FCs. We RF'd the crap out of their stuff repeatedly.
- I say, fuck these guys.
- ____________________________________________________
- Convo today, after we kicked their ass in Immensea.
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- [ 2018.01.14 18:47:02 ] Valkorsia > o/.
- [ 2018.01.14 18:47:09 ] Valkorsia > getting ready to FC fleet, sup?
- [ 2018.01.14 18:47:21 ] Provagus Great > i want to talk about your alliance alts in my alliance systems
- [ 2018.01.14 18:47:37 ] Valkorsia > ok
- [ 2018.01.14 18:48:12 ] Provagus Great > please take them out from our systems, then we will stop coming to your systems and killing miners
- [ 2018.01.14 18:48:30 ] Valkorsia > what systems?
- [ 2018.01.14 18:48:50 ] Provagus Great > 4MY-AB K-ZKBM
- [ 2018.01.14 18:48:54 ] Valkorsia > Listen, you don't dicate to TEST ...
- [ 2018.01.14 18:49:00 ] Valkorsia > We dictate to you
- [ 2018.01.14 18:49:10 ] Valkorsia > We will just keep killing your dudes
- [ 2018.01.14 18:49:15 ] Valkorsia > It's fine
- [ 2018.01.14 18:49:18 ] Provagus Great > i don't give a fuck, you are camping our systems all day
- [ 2018.01.14 18:49:20 ] Valkorsia > They are horrible
- [ 2018.01.14 18:49:25 ] Valkorsia > We will camp 24/7
- [ 2018.01.14 18:49:29 ] Valkorsia > every day
- [ 2018.01.14 18:49:34 ] Valkorsia > You fight with RA
- [ 2018.01.14 18:49:41 ] Provagus Great > Kill: Erik Kjell (Taranis) give this guy cash back
- [ 2018.01.14 18:49:43 ] Valkorsia > So, see ya
- [ 2018.01.14 18:49:45 ] Valkorsia > No
- [ 2018.01.14 18:49:51 ] Provagus Great > he died and you are reason
- [ 2018.01.14 18:49:54 ] Valkorsia > You dont get isk from us ...
- [ 2018.01.14 18:50:03 ] Provagus Great > i don't want isk
- [ 2018.01.14 18:50:03 ] Valkorsia > Just die quietly
- [ 2018.01.14 18:50:09 ] Provagus Great > just leave our systems
- [ 2018.01.14 18:50:13 ] Valkorsia > No
- [ 2018.01.14 18:50:17 ] Valkorsia > We stay
- [ 2018.01.14 18:50:21 ] Valkorsia > Forever
- [ 2018.01.14 18:50:24 ] Provagus Great > then we will come over and over
- [ 2018.01.14 18:50:29 ] Valkorsia > Ok, feel free ..
- [ 2018.01.14 18:50:35 ] Valkorsia > we will kill you every whre
- [ 2018.01.14 18:50:36 ] Provagus Great > i'll save it
- [ 2018.01.14 18:50:43 ] Valkorsia > Get out of my diplo channel
- [ 2018.01.14 18:50:51 ] Provagus Great > when your guys will die i'll write that you gave me permission
- [ 2018.01.14 18:50:55 ] Valkorsia > Goodbye
- More today:
- [15:34:52] Valkorsia > hi
- [15:34:52] Provagus Great > o7
- [15:35:30] Provagus Great > can i ask if you can take these bots from our space?<br>it's disabling way to make isk for all new players
- [15:35:38] Provagus Great > it's not fair way of fight
- [15:35:52] Provagus Great > if you want fuck us then take 100ppl fleet come here and fight
- [15:35:59] Valkorsia > Bots?
- [15:36:04] Valkorsia > What space?
- [15:36:07] Provagus Great > but keeping 24/7 bots in our sov is not fair
- [15:36:10] Provagus Great > <url=showinfo:1375//2112278655>Jet Stronk</url>
- [15:36:22] Provagus Great > JTAC003, TAC013, JTAC020
- [15:36:26] Valkorsia > Oh, those aren't bots .. they are pilots trying to kill you
- [15:36:29] Provagus Great > basicly all jtac 1 - 20
- [15:36:38] Valkorsia > They are going to kill you.
- [15:36:38] Provagus Great > yea great
- [15:36:52] Valkorsia > You need to leave Tenerifis
- [15:36:57] Provagus Great > they are not killling us
- [15:37:01] Provagus Great > they just hot drop your fleet
- [15:37:04] Valkorsia > and we will remove you from Immensea
- [15:37:08] Provagus Great > it's not fair way of fight
- [15:37:13] Valkorsia > Leave Tenerifis
- [15:37:28] Provagus Great > we want only fubar sov
- [15:37:30] Valkorsia > TEST doesn't use bots.
- [15:37:51] Valkorsia > No, FUBAR will keep sov
- [15:37:52] Provagus Great > let's name this server with 20 eve clients
- [15:38:05] Valkorsia > No, we don't care for ICARUS
- [15:38:13] Valkorsia > TEST doesn't like ICARUS
- [15:38:21] Valkorsia > So we will take all yiur sov
- [15:38:34] Valkorsia > Goodbye, sir .. have a great day.
- [15:38:37] Valkorsia > o/
- [15:38:40] Provagus Great > why you don't like us?
- Then a mail after I closed convo. He's probably going to tell me that Goons are going to help them and attack us, like he did with Radwulf.
- :(
- From: Provagus Great
- Sent: 2018.01.16 15:46
- To: Valkorsia,
- So you don't want to do business here?
- I have some informations which might interest you.
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- Channel ID: -87782599
- Channel Name: Private Chat (alone)
- Listener: Dran Arcana
- Session started: 2018.01.16 15:58:44
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- [ 2018.01.16 15:58:46 ] Provagus Great > o7
- [ 2018.01.16 15:58:51 ] Provagus Great > how can i help you?
- [ 2018.01.16 15:58:51 ] Dran Arcana > howdy!
- [ 2018.01.16 15:59:08 ] Dran Arcana > I heard you were having some issues with TEST, so I thought I'd come down and see what's up
- [ 2018.01.16 15:59:30 ] Dran Arcana > I'm TEST's head diplomat, so if you need something done I'm your man
- [ 2018.01.16 15:59:48 ] Provagus Great > yea, your alliance don't fight like mens
- [ 2018.01.16 15:59:53 ] Provagus Great > and it's really sad
- [ 2018.01.16 16:00:07 ] Provagus Great > you keep 20 afk'ers in our sov
- [ 2018.01.16 16:00:13 ] Dran Arcana > I'm sorry you feel that way, what do mens do that we don't do?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:00:56 ] Provagus Great > your alliance is rich
- [ 2018.01.16 16:00:59 ] Provagus Great > very rich
- [ 2018.01.16 16:01:04 ] Provagus Great > and we just have few systems
- [ 2018.01.16 16:01:17 ] Provagus Great > it's easy to place bots in all of them
- [ 2018.01.16 16:01:22 ] Provagus Great > but it's just not fair fight
- [ 2018.01.16 16:02:04 ] Dran Arcana > It is indeed very easy to put hotdroppers in your systems
- [ 2018.01.16 16:02:12 ] Dran Arcana > but why does that make us not mens?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:02:47 ] Provagus Great > becouse you are destroying fun from game play to others
- [ 2018.01.16 16:02:52 ] Provagus Great > mostly to newbros
- [ 2018.01.16 16:03:03 ] Provagus Great > i understand to have 2-3 afk'ers
- [ 2018.01.16 16:03:08 ] Provagus Great > but you putted 20
- [ 2018.01.16 16:03:20 ] Provagus Great > your alliance has sth like 100 systems
- [ 2018.01.16 16:03:21 ] Provagus Great > maybe more
- [ 2018.01.16 16:03:25 ] Dran Arcana > would we be mens if we only put 2-3 afkers?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:03:31 ] Dran Arcana > what about 5?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:03:44 ] Provagus Great > it's still not fair fight
- [ 2018.01.16 16:03:58 ] Provagus Great > afk campers are destroying this game
- [ 2018.01.16 16:04:15 ] Dran Arcana > you're right, every fight in eve should be fair
- [ 2018.01.16 16:04:18 ] Dran Arcana > it's more fun that way
- [ 2018.01.16 16:04:20 ] Provagus Great > reason why all alliances have intels is to follow gankers
- [ 2018.01.16 16:04:28 ] Dran Arcana > how many people can you put in fleet?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:04:29 ] Provagus Great > safe corp memebers
- [ 2018.01.16 16:04:32 ] Dran Arcana > and what ships?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:04:49 ] Provagus Great > all red coalition maybe 200 ppl in rattles
- [ 2018.01.16 16:05:14 ] Provagus Great > my corp maybe 5
- [ 2018.01.16 16:05:16 ] Dran Arcana > 200 people can't fight off 20 cloaky bombers?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:05:21 ] Provagus Great > in some shitty frigs
- [ 2018.01.16 16:05:41 ] Dran Arcana > I think perhaps you are not mens if you can't fight 200-20
- [ 2018.01.16 16:06:05 ] Provagus Great > do you have 200 ppl in one system 24/7?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:06:19 ] Provagus Great > all day just waiting for fleet?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:06:19 ] Dran Arcana > a few systems yes
- [ 2018.01.16 16:06:34 ] Provagus Great > mens would take 20 ppl gank and just go once per hour to our systems
- [ 2018.01.16 16:06:49 ] Dran Arcana > why would that make us mens?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:06:59 ] Provagus Great > and you just sit cloaked and we have no chance to defence
- [ 2018.01.16 16:06:59 ] Dran Arcana > mens would let you make money?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:07:13 ] Provagus Great > you well know that we can't make anything with your cloaky alts
- [ 2018.01.16 16:07:24 ] Dran Arcana > I do yes
- [ 2018.01.16 16:07:29 ] Provagus Great > we can have 1000 people in system
- [ 2018.01.16 16:07:35 ] Provagus Great > but you still can't catch them
- [ 2018.01.16 16:07:45 ] Dran Arcana > you can fight them when they decloak
- [ 2018.01.16 16:07:52 ] Dran Arcana > I think that's what mens do
- [ 2018.01.16 16:07:57 ] Provagus Great > yea of course they are uncloaked all day...
- [ 2018.01.16 16:08:06 ] Provagus Great > your bots never don't uncloak
- [ 2018.01.16 16:08:33 ] Provagus Great > no sorry they do it once per day
- [ 2018.01.16 16:08:38 ] Provagus Great > just after dt
- [ 2018.01.16 16:08:48 ] Dran Arcana > I don't think double negitives are good for this game either
- [ 2018.01.16 16:08:55 ] Provagus Great > like 1 minute after server restart
- [ 2018.01.16 16:08:55 ] Dran Arcana > but there are ways to fight cloaky campers
- [ 2018.01.16 16:09:04 ] Dran Arcana > have you tried standing fleets?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:09:17 ] Dran Arcana > or joining a coalition of real mens?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:09:31 ] Provagus Great > man you don't see problem
- [ 2018.01.16 16:09:37 ] Provagus Great > it's not going about 1 men
- [ 2018.01.16 16:09:47 ] Dran Arcana > I guess I don't see the problem
- [ 2018.01.16 16:09:47 ] Provagus Great > it's going for this that he can hotdrop 50 ppl fleet
- [ 2018.01.16 16:10:03 ] Dran Arcana > why can't you do that?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:10:10 ] Provagus Great > you good know that they uncloak only to do one thing
- [ 2018.01.16 16:10:50 ] Provagus Great > your industry systems are too far to hot drop
- [ 2018.01.16 16:11:01 ] Provagus Great > to defend ours we must capture more teritory
- [ 2018.01.16 16:11:15 ] Provagus Great > joining your coalition will be even worst
- [ 2018.01.16 16:11:23 ] Provagus Great > red coalition is much closer to us
- [ 2018.01.16 16:11:36 ] Provagus Great > they can do same thing as you
- [ 2018.01.16 16:12:03 ] Provagus Great > when you live in europe you look for allies in europe
- [ 2018.01.16 16:12:06 ] Provagus Great > not in africa
- [ 2018.01.16 16:12:32 ] Dran Arcana > well hold on, I get that you ally with people close to you
- [ 2018.01.16 16:12:39 ] Dran Arcana > I'm still stuck on the distance thing
- [ 2018.01.16 16:13:04 ] Dran Arcana > Did you know that, mathematically, the distance between a point (A), and a second point (B), is the same as the distance between (B) and (A)
- [ 2018.01.16 16:13:21 ] Dran Arcana > I believe this is called the Commutative law
- [ 2018.01.16 16:13:37 ] Provagus Great > do you know that you can measure distance in many ways?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:13:50 ] Dran Arcana > I use a ruler typically
- [ 2018.01.16 16:13:54 ] Provagus Great > there is even sth called city distance problem
- [ 2018.01.16 16:13:54 ] Dran Arcana > how do you measure distance?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:14:12 ] Provagus Great > imagine garden
- [ 2018.01.16 16:14:31 ] Provagus Great > there is boy and girl 5m from each other
- [ 2018.01.16 16:14:35 ] Dran Arcana > ok, I'm imagining a garden
- [ 2018.01.16 16:14:39 ] Dran Arcana > it has roses, and tomato plants
- [ 2018.01.16 16:14:40 ] Provagus Great > ok nice
- [ 2018.01.16 16:14:45 ] Provagus Great > what distance between them?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:14:51 ] Dran Arcana > 5m
- [ 2018.01.16 16:14:59 ] Provagus Great > don't forget about trees
- [ 2018.01.16 16:15:11 ] Provagus Great > now imagine that boy is in room A
- [ 2018.01.16 16:15:18 ] Provagus Great > and girl is in room B
- [ 2018.01.16 16:15:25 ] Provagus Great > between them is wall
- [ 2018.01.16 16:15:26 ] Dran Arcana > wait where is the room, I thought we were in a tomato garden?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:15:42 ] Provagus Great > next to garden is house
- [ 2018.01.16 16:15:53 ] Provagus Great > you imagined wrong garden
- [ 2018.01.16 16:16:03 ] Dran Arcana > oh ok my bad
- [ 2018.01.16 16:16:09 ] Dran Arcana > I'm imagining a house now
- [ 2018.01.16 16:16:16 ] Provagus Great > so between boy and girl is wall
- [ 2018.01.16 16:16:22 ] Dran Arcana > how thick is the wall?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:16:25 ] Provagus Great > still 5m to each other
- [ 2018.01.16 16:16:40 ] Provagus Great > but to move boy to girl you must do more than that 5m
- [ 2018.01.16 16:16:50 ] Provagus Great > becouse he can't move through wall
- [ 2018.01.16 16:16:52 ] Dran Arcana > is it a load bearing wall?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:17:14 ] Provagus Great > ok, nvm come back to my problem
- [ 2018.01.16 16:17:23 ] Dran Arcana > ok
- [ 2018.01.16 16:17:46 ] Dran Arcana > cause I was just thinking... if it's not a load bearing wall and you want to go through it you can just knock off some drywall and make a door
- [ 2018.01.16 16:17:48 ] Provagus Great > so you keep you cloaked afk'ers in our sov, they will not attack, they are only hot dropping your fleets
- [ 2018.01.16 16:18:15 ] Provagus Great > it's really hard wall, which you can't destroy without special tools
- [ 2018.01.16 16:18:59 ] Dran Arcana > why don't you just buy the tools?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:19:14 ] Dran Arcana > or go to rent-a-center
- [ 2018.01.16 16:19:31 ] Provagus Great > i'm just trying to exaplain you other types of measuring, now you all time think about the Euclidean plane.
- [ 2018.01.16 16:20:13 ] Dran Arcana > ok so you have to go around the wall
- [ 2018.01.16 16:20:19 ] Provagus Great > yep
- [ 2018.01.16 16:20:22 ] Dran Arcana > but if you have to go around the wall
- [ 2018.01.16 16:20:24 ] Provagus Great > there are just many mathematical models
- [ 2018.01.16 16:20:28 ] Dran Arcana > I also have to go around the wall
- [ 2018.01.16 16:20:38 ] Dran Arcana > so I have to go the same distance to get to you as you do to get to me
- [ 2018.01.16 16:20:45 ] Provagus Great > according to my model red alliance is much closer and they can fuck us much more
- [ 2018.01.16 16:20:52 ] Dran Arcana > so why are you not too far for me but I'm too far for you?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:21:18 ] Provagus Great > not we should stop thinking about us as about dots
- [ 2018.01.16 16:21:24 ] Provagus Great > we have 16 dots
- [ 2018.01.16 16:21:29 ] Provagus Great > you have 100 dots
- [ 2018.01.16 16:21:34 ] Provagus Great > we aren't single dots
- [ 2018.01.16 16:21:44 ] Provagus Great > some of your dots are closer to mine dots
- [ 2018.01.16 16:22:11 ] Provagus Great > the problem is that all mine dots are in your range
- [ 2018.01.16 16:22:22 ] Provagus Great > and not all yours dots are in mine range
- [ 2018.01.16 16:22:47 ] Provagus Great > you keep your industry systems far away from my systems
- [ 2018.01.16 16:22:52 ] Dran Arcana > but surely some of mine dots are in your mens range?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:22:58 ] Provagus Great > we need 4 cyno jumps to get to you
- [ 2018.01.16 16:23:10 ] Dran Arcana > but I need 4 cyno jumps to get to you
- [ 2018.01.16 16:23:13 ] Provagus Great > yea they are, but you don't use them
- [ 2018.01.16 16:23:31 ] Provagus Great > only gankers are doing their job in dots closer to me
- [ 2018.01.16 16:23:54 ] Provagus Great > also you can make 4 cyno jumps, becouse you have citadels in your dots
- [ 2018.01.16 16:24:21 ] Provagus Great > i can't becouse we don't have structures in your teritory
- [ 2018.01.16 16:24:23 ] Dran Arcana > ok but double negitives and euclidean geometry aside, I still don't get how any of this makes us not mens
- [ 2018.01.16 16:24:36 ] Provagus Great > and i think that placing any structure in your system would start wat
- [ 2018.01.16 16:24:38 ] Provagus Great > *war
- [ 2018.01.16 16:24:39 ] Dran Arcana > if anything, you're walking around a wall, and I knocked a door in that bitch
- [ 2018.01.16 16:24:47 ] Dran Arcana > I think that makes me more mens
- [ 2018.01.16 16:25:27 ] Provagus Great > mens can go through our doors and attack us
- [ 2018.01.16 16:25:43 ] Provagus Great > but the problem is that you keep inside my room teleports
- [ 2018.01.16 16:25:58 ] Provagus Great > which are invisible and imposimple to find
- [ 2018.01.16 16:26:19 ] Provagus Great > so you don't have to go through door
- [ 2018.01.16 16:26:27 ] Provagus Great > you even don't knock
- [ 2018.01.16 16:26:41 ] Dran Arcana > When people cloaky camp me, I counter drop the hotdroppers
- [ 2018.01.16 16:26:47 ] Dran Arcana > that seems to work pretty well
- [ 2018.01.16 16:26:52 ] Dran Arcana > does that make us not mens?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:27:09 ] Provagus Great > still there is distance problem
- [ 2018.01.16 16:27:17 ] Dran Arcana > I'm still having trouble following the criteria for being mens, I'm sorry
- [ 2018.01.16 16:27:21 ] Provagus Great > you sit in our important dots
- [ 2018.01.16 16:27:30 ] Dran Arcana > can you lay it out in a two column proof?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:27:32 ] Provagus Great > and you keep your important dots out of range
- [ 2018.01.16 16:29:33 ] Provagus Great > this what is not making you man is using fact that your important dots are out of our range and you know that we can't counterattack you
- [ 2018.01.16 16:29:58 ] Provagus Great > it's just
- [ 2018.01.16 16:30:27 ] Provagus Great > using your abilities to play game where you can destroy all our fun from it
- [ 2018.01.16 16:30:47 ] Provagus Great > we can't counter attack becouse we don't have targets to hot drop
- [ 2018.01.16 16:30:58 ] Provagus Great > and your guys good know about it
- [ 2018.01.16 16:31:02 ] Dran Arcana > so winning makes us not mens?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:31:10 ] Provagus Great > it's not winning
- [ 2018.01.16 16:31:31 ] Dran Arcana > it sure sounds like we're winning
- [ 2018.01.16 16:32:32 ] Provagus Great > hmm, last time you attacked our fortizar and later like cowards you didn't came to fight
- [ 2018.01.16 16:32:50 ] Provagus Great > i'm not sure if we can name it winning the war
- [ 2018.01.16 16:33:56 ] Dran Arcana > moving the goalposts a bit aren't we?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:33:56 ] Provagus Great > if you will come and beat red coalition icarus probably will join test, becouse test will be closer, but currently it doesn't look that you are able to win war with reds
- [ 2018.01.16 16:34:14 ] Provagus Great > maybe we are coming a little from a goal
- [ 2018.01.16 16:34:24 ] Dran Arcana > what makes you think we would let you in our coalition?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:35:55 ] Provagus Great > i can't be sure
- [ 2018.01.16 16:36:27 ] Provagus Great > this part of space is really nice
- [ 2018.01.16 16:36:39 ] Provagus Great > it's big pocket in null space
- [ 2018.01.16 16:36:57 ] Provagus Great > my corp is too weak and poor to rent systems
- [ 2018.01.16 16:37:06 ] Dran Arcana > I'm sorry to hear that
- [ 2018.01.16 16:37:08 ] Provagus Great > 1bil is really a lot for me
- [ 2018.01.16 16:37:20 ] Provagus Great > for you 20bil is maybe 1 day profit
- [ 2018.01.16 16:37:31 ] Provagus Great > but you have like 5k people
- [ 2018.01.16 16:37:44 ] Provagus Great > and i have 60 from that maybe 20 active
- [ 2018.01.16 16:38:38 ] Dran Arcana > well I wish you the best of luck in that great big pocket in null space, and I'm sorry that we couldn't be mens in the eyes of the honourable allies of red alliance
- [ 2018.01.16 16:39:21 ] Provagus Great > i just wanted ask if your m8s can just remove these bots?
- [ 2018.01.16 16:39:31 ] Provagus Great > i'm 100% sure that it would make you mens again
- [ 2018.01.16 16:39:40 ] Dran Arcana > there are no bots in your space; request fulfilled
- [ 2018.01.16 16:39:42 ] Dran Arcana > fly safe!
- ________________
- Renting
- From: Provagus Great
- Sent: 2018.01.16 16:53
- To: Dran Arcana,
- o7
- I have also one question. Due to some icarus ignorance about cloaked pilots we are looking from few days also for some posible new alliance. Please send me your fees etc (due to fact that we are from ica it will be probably higher, but still always nice to ask). Also are your alliance corps allowed to use all test systems? Or maybe they must rent, etc.
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