>>Anonymous 09/07/11(Wed)03:49 No.109421637
Why is there such a large attitude here of rampant, enthusiastic hatred of games you don't like/play when normal people can say "i didn't like it, but

that's ok, others might"?

Is this place some kind of aggressive autistic training area?

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>>Anonymous 09/07/11(Wed)03:54 No.109424961
Think of it another way.

Perhaps the problem is that we have so much faith in the video game genre and developers are so often letting us down. It's like the potential is

there but the old "they're video games, they don't have to be held to the same standards as other types of media" way of thinking prevents that

potential from being fully realized.

What's even more disappointing is when people enable to industry to get away with it by eating their shit and calling it "fun" or "well crafted.".

It's either that or we're bitter and can't handle people enjoying what we hate.

It's probably something in between those two.

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>>Anonymous 09/07/11(Wed)03:56 No.109425100
>>109424961
It be nice if we could do something about this.

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>>Anonymous 09/07/11(Wed)03:58 No.109425185
/v/ is refreshing to me because it has a lot of people who are hypersensitive to industry bullshit. That's a refreshing change of pace from the other

99.9999999% of media consumers, who gobble up whatever is shat on their plate and ask for seconds. If I had to pick between cynics and happy-go-lucky

dilettantes, I'd take the former, if only because the cynics are usually right, and more criticism is better than more praise when it comes to

improving an artistic medium.

The vast majority of the bitching and "hating" I see on /v/ is directed at completely valid targets, anyway. DLC, greedy corporate fucks, short cash-

in games, lazy developers, etc.

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>>Anonymous 09/07/11(Wed)03:59 No.109425296
>>109424961
it's because the misconception of what a game ought to be has been warped by both stupid moneyhungry publishers and developers

the industry is now mainly targeted at stupid casual game players who don't want the same things that classical gamers (true gamers) want out of a

game experience

games have become more about providing the player with an enjoyable experience rather than challenging the limits of the player's ability to learn and

adapt new strategies to meet goals or overcome obstacles

in modern game philosophy, we have shit that intentionally makes the game easy and/or accessible, and forgoes any notion of challenge, because "game

over" screens don't give you the same feeling that the credits roll does

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>>	Anonymous 09/07/11(Wed)04:02 No.109425470
>>109425296
So it's wrong to want to have an enjoyable experience and/or a challenge?

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>>Anonymous 09/07/11(Wed)04:08 No.109425785
>>109425470
it's not "wrong" but it has had serious implications for more classical gamers

there are hardly ANY modern games that i enjoy playing simply because they are basically interactive movies

and the ones that don't try to be interactive movies and actually try to be games usually end up being so fucking piss-poor in difficulty that they

require virtually no time at all to master, because they're easy as fuck mechanics that have been done hundreds of times and are just being remade

with a new graphics/context wrapper

there's no real arguing with it though, because i understand that games are a business, and people don't want to be challenged, they want to have fun.

fun sells, challenge doesn't

and these types of people have flooded this form of human expression to the point that it could never possibly be fixed

it's not really an issue to me, i don't get bored very quickly, and i would much rather play a game for years and develop a skill in it than finish an

installment of Movie Game 3 and anxiously wait like a cow at a slaughterhouse for the proverbial axe (the stupid amounts of money they charge per game

nowadays) to come down on my head for the next entry to whatever terrible game franchise i might have played

you can make some argument about pirating, and yeah, that's true, i don't buy a lot of games, but a lot of people do... and that is what continues to

fuel this horrible cycle

completely unaware and uninformed people who technically aren't doing anything wrong but fueling something that has destroyed the game industry at its

very core

is it a reason to be mad or contempt-filled? that's up to you

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>>Anonymous 09/07/11(Wed)04:13 No.109426095
>>109425785
The way you speak it's as if you believe that 'fun' and 'challenge' are separate. 'Fun' is incredibly subjective to begin with, but the two aren't

mutually exclusive.

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>>Anonymous 09/07/11(Wed)04:17 No.109426354
>>109426095
challenge to me is something that is testing my ability.

usually this ends up in losing, but the difference between me and most people is, i will sit and lose for fucking hours (learning from my mistakes and

growing a skillset to overcome this challenge) until i get that one time where i actually do overcome the challenge

that is 'fun' to me. but for most people they just don't have that attention span or drive to sit and lose for hours. they view it as a failure and

give up.

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>>Anonymous 09/07/11(Wed)04:22 No.109426703
>>109425785
>fun sells, challenge doesn't

demons souls did ok though

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>>Anonymous 09/07/11(Wed)04:26 No.109426917
>>109426703
>the ONE good ps3 game did ok
ps3 users needed SOMETHING to play, didn't they?

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>>Anonymous 09/07/11(Wed)04:34 No.109427418
>>109426354
Normally I'd try to present myself in a reasonable manner, giving explanation for my opinion and why I disagree, but you're just a fucking idiot.

There doesn't seem to be discussion with you, only argument.

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>>Anonymous 09/07/11(Wed)04:38 No.109427645
>>109427418
>You speak of yourself as the superior gamer, strongly suggesting that your line of thought or preferences are the only right choice.
you obviously haven't been reading what i've been saying then
i never said these people were wrong for doing this, they don't know any better
but if something existed, and the very values that held its core together for so long just all of a sudden evaporated in just over 10 years, would that not be a cause for concern for any fan of the way it "used to be" ?
how can you blame me for looking at these casual idiots who play shit like minecraft religiously and thinking they are anything but inferior weak-minded morons?
i mean, really, come on now

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>>Anonymous 09/07/11(Wed)04:40 No.109427757
>>109427645
>i never said these people were wrong for doing this, they don't know any better
let me rephrase this
they technically aren't doing anything wrong by TODAY'S standards
but if you were to take these people back 15 years and show them the same industry that they have destroyed in modern times, they would have absolutely nothing to do with it
i don't think you would be able to make a point against this