Munchmatoast - Today at 2:52 AM
Idk about you keyens but when I played in NMT, I had people to play with every night, not people who raid log and wait for their stuff to reset because they can't afford to play a game they paid for.
Biiiig difference.
Hepatits - Today at 2:53 AM
IMO base gear is easier to acquire, with or without IRCs. Fragments and essences are fairly difficult to come by.
Clowd - Today at 2:53 AM
fragments is a whole other can of worms.  I hope for the best with the planned revamp, though I'd love more info on what is in store for us
Munchmatoast - Today at 2:53 AM
Fragments. All these squares make a circle.
lmao
Keyens - Today at 2:54 AM
You can fall back on your personal anecdote all ya want man, but I've seen quite a bit of data on this across a number of games. Lockouts generally make a game healthier long term.
rreo1215 - Today at 2:54 AM
Guess my questions will not be answered lmao
Munchmatoast - Today at 2:54 AM
That literally makes no sense.
Holyroller - Today at 2:55 AM
@rreo1215 You can pm kiwi maybe and suggest the channel. I know she usually takes those into consideration and may do a test run for one, but as of right now there isn't on.
Munchmatoast - Today at 2:55 AM
Maybe its different from a devs perspective
Clowd - Today at 2:55 AM
@rreo1215 - no trade channel, unfortunately.  You can try asking here when things calm down a bit
Munchmatoast - Today at 2:55 AM
idk
Hepatits - Today at 2:55 AM
Sorry @rreo1215 there really isn't a channel for trading.
Munchmatoast - Today at 2:56 AM
Just sucks because like 5 people tonight said fuck it in ts and rage logged because we couldn't play so yea
Clowd - Today at 2:56 AM
couldn't play implies something different than couldn't get rewards for playing
rreo1215 - Today at 2:56 AM
For things to calm down? jeez
Munchmatoast - Today at 2:56 AM
Who wants to play without reward
Lol.
1% of rift
Lets be real
Keyens - Today at 2:57 AM
The more aggressively you play, and the more stuff to do that you skip out on, the less total content hours per week will be available naturally. This is just a hazard of content creation being expensive and aggressive players consuming it way faster than it can be built
but I somehow doubt you're engaging in all the avenues of play. Theres lots of artifacts to hunt, you've got puzzles from Simon to go do. Plenty of achieves to hunt, etc
and it is totally fine to say "that content doesn't interest me"
Munchmatoast - Today at 2:59 AM
I have been doing that the past month, because I don't have to pay to do it.  But like I said, it doesn't advance my characters stats.
Keyens - Today at 2:59 AM
But serving a varied playerbase requires resources on lots of stuff, and lockouts help prevent player churn, which is good for the game.
Clowd - Today at 2:59 AM
so the issue isn't that you can't play, it's that you've hit a roadblock with gearing advancement, and can't go further without paying.
Munchmatoast - Today at 3:00 AM
Which never used to be there.
Clowd - Today at 3:00 AM
aside from the paying portion, is that much different than what it was before?
Doranbolt - Today at 3:00 AM
I think there is a definite option of playing alts to get the mythic 5 dps stat bis tier fragments (like the cp fire fragments from I:RotP) - you won't play your main but if you want to invest more time to progress your character I wouldn't ignore that option.
Vladd - Today at 3:00 AM
There is nothing in the game that is locked behind a pay wall. Please do not imply that there is such.
Hepatits - Today at 3:00 AM
Is the jump puzzle fixed so more than the first person on the server can do it and loot the chests? People don't want to waste their opie pellets anymore. (Not me, I'm anti-puzzle, lol)
Vladd - Today at 3:00 AM
At least for character progression. Mounts and cosmetics are a different thing.
Munchmatoast - Today at 3:01 AM
Nah it's locked behind a time wall, which wasn't there previously.
Which can be removed with $$
Actually that's not even true, you pay to grind and gamble lol
Clowd - Today at 3:02 AM
right, and the idea behind Rift's pay system is that you pay to advance faster or have more advancement opportunities, but not to immediately get the best things.
Munchmatoast - Today at 3:02 AM
Yea pay to win
Vladd - Today at 3:02 AM
You are correct, we sell time. How you chose to spend your time (and money) is up to you.
Munchmatoast - Today at 3:02 AM
:wink:
Keyens - Today at 3:02 AM
That is by its very definition not pay to win
Vladd - Today at 3:02 AM
But it is not pay to win.
Munchmatoast - Today at 3:03 AM
:wink:
Clowd - Today at 3:03 AM
pay to advance faster != pay to win.
Keyens - Today at 3:03 AM
two players (a spender and non spender) have the same literal end point of progression
how fast they get there is based on a ton of factors, but they both end the same place
Clowd - Today at 3:03 AM
pay to win means that you literally HAVE TO pay in order to get the best things possible, regardless of any other factors
Vladd - Today at 3:03 AM
Everyone can get to the same level of gear. The only difference is a matter of time.
Munchmatoast - Today at 3:03 AM
Not really, no ones guaranteed any overlord drops or engines
no where is it 100% drop rate
Clowd - Today at 3:04 AM
in a P2W system, there is no matter of time to get to the same level of gear.  Same level of gear is only accomplished through paying.
Munchmatoast - Today at 3:04 AM
That you cant argue :wink:
Keyens - Today at 3:04 AM
I absolutely can
Every single player in the game
has identical drop rates when loot happens
no matter how many dollars spent
Clowd - Today at 3:04 AM
no one is guaranteed overlord drops or engines, correct
there is no way to buy 100% drop
Keyens - Today at 3:05 AM
If you want to condense that time so you can roll faster you can with money
The only case where that isn't true I believe is lockbox mounts (which get more likely as you open boxes iirc)
Munchmatoast - Today at 3:05 AM
Yea so statistically speaking, one that spends money on something that isn't guaranteed gets more chances and again, statistically gets somewhere faster
Clowd - Today at 3:05 AM
I'm not sure if the mounts thing is true
@Munchmatoast correect.  Spend money, advance somewhat faster
Munchmatoast - Today at 3:06 AM
Pay to rek dps meters
Keyens - Today at 3:06 AM
"gets somewhere faster"

Yes, faster. That is how trading time works.
note that he doesn't have a higher maximum potential
Hepatits - Today at 3:07 AM
Not faster, a chance at faster.
Munchmatoast - Today at 3:07 AM
Yea even that itself sounds so messed up hep
A chance at faster
lol
Hepatits - Today at 3:07 AM
not pay to win. Pay to have another chance at winning.
Clowd - Today at 3:07 AM
yeah, IRCs are a chance for faster, it isn't even guaranteed faster.  Now token boosts are guaranteed faster, and indeed help with getting things like Vostigar Veteran's armor
Hepatits - Today at 3:07 AM
...if you define winning as gear
Orphielle - Today at 3:07 AM
wtb luck :smile:
Vladd - Today at 3:07 AM
Look, we've explained it several ways. At this point we are just repeating ourselves. Munch has his view on the matter, which he is entitled to, and we have ours... backed up by years of data.
Keyens - Today at 3:08 AM
Its also worth noting that it isn't gonna change in RIFT as far as I know
Clowd - Today at 3:08 AM
tl;dr - yeah, the current system might upset some players, but it does generate good revenue.
Munchmatoast - Today at 3:08 AM
Sure, but are you there in the moment vladd
Keyens - Today at 3:08 AM
IRCs have proved overall pretty good for the game from pretty much every objective measure we use.
Munchmatoast - Today at 3:08 AM
Do you roll on ircs
Do you spend hundreds of $
I doubt it
Keyens - Today at 3:08 AM
I roll ircs. I choose not to spend more than a few dollars on more spins
You do you though.
Munchmatoast - Today at 3:09 AM
And because i spend money, my character is more advanced then yours.
Vladd - Today at 3:09 AM
No, I don't. Because I get a stipend of credits every month for my contributions to the development of the game.
Holyroller - Today at 3:09 AM
@Keyens @Vladd  thanks for taking the time to even voice your opinions on the matter. Now get back to work! :wink:
Vladd - Today at 3:10 AM
However, in other games, I'm a whale. I have disposable income and I use it to maximize my time.
Clowd - Today at 3:10 AM
:whale:
Keyens - Today at 3:10 AM
Yes, your character has more gear. But...I don't strictly care? I don't really derive any self worth from competing on who has more gear. I have (and always have) press onward purely for the joy of the game. I raid because I enjoy getting boss kills, not the purple stuff that drops. Its all a means to an end for me. If you perhaps see it the other way around, that might say more about you than the system.
aileen - Today at 3:11 AM
any price overhaul going to happen for jetpack quest parts? or is it safe to say we can buy with current prices of them?
Munchmatoast - Today at 3:11 AM
I enjoy playing with my mates every night without worry about whether I can afford it to develop my character at the same time
Excuse the english 3 am is strong