Hood Reparations GangToday at 6:35 PM
im planning Operation Hood Reclamation. i need operatives to infiltrate the vatican, any volunteers?

butthole entertainmentToday at 6:37 PM
wait fahir what do you actually want to discuss
Hood Reparations GangToday at 6:38 PM
i just wanna know why the commie label at this point is not accurate for you
butthole entertainmentToday at 6:40 PM
Because I dont  think reorganizing society  using the state is ever gonna lead to anything good
Trackpad TerranToday at 6:40 PM
How do you enforce your wage council then
butthole entertainmentToday at 6:40 PM
1. I never spoke about a wage council
Trackpad TerranToday at 6:42 PM
1. a. Yes you did
butthole entertainmentToday at 6:42 PM
You were the one that brought up the elon musk wage council
Trackpad TerranToday at 6:43 PM
You were the one trying to set the wages of motherboard factory workers
Which aren’t even a thing mind you
butthole entertainmentToday at 6:43 PM
I know they arent I was using an analogy
Trackpad TerranToday at 6:45 PM
And I only added Elon musk because you failed to account for the fact that ceo types will still make it to places of power such as your wage council
Cuci PiringToday at 6:46 PM
hi guys
wanna play some cs go
Hood Reparations GangToday at 6:46 PM
holy shit matt im going to suck you off and take your hood
Cuci PiringToday at 6:46 PM
why are we talking about wages, commies, and hood
also do you guys like tft


butthole entertainmentToday at 6:48 PM
underlords is easier than tft
Cuci PiringToday at 6:48 PM
the workout map is back
my first ever cs go map i played
Trackpad TerranToday at 6:49 PM
Imagine playing video games while people are still missing their hoods
butthole entertainmentToday at 6:49 PM
I actually have no idea what this hood meme is
Trackpad TerranToday at 6:50 PM
Don’t worry about it
You’ve got a lot on your plate
Like appointing the rest of the wage council
Hood Reparations GangToday at 6:50 PM
but anyways, so let me get this straight. you want to reorganize society such that there is a horizontal economic hierarchy because profit is exploitative. and in order to do so, some how CEOs should be paid less and workers should be paid more by an unknown metric. and all of that to achieve a society in which people can become self actualized. did i misrepresent your view khoi.

butthole entertainmentToday at 6:56 PM
Would you guys be okay if wages were set by the coop as a whole
Hood Reparations GangToday at 6:56 PM
bitch
did u read what i said
butthole entertainmentToday at 6:56 PM
yeah I did
Trackpad TerranToday at 6:56 PM
Don’t start with the fucking co-ops again
Hood Reparations GangToday at 6:56 PM
and do u agree
that is your current position
butthole entertainmentToday at 6:57 PM
i go back and forth on the coop thing
Hood Reparations GangToday at 6:57 PM
i go back and forth on wanting blow kois brains out
Trackpad TerranToday at 6:58 PM
I never waver on that issue
Hood Reparations GangToday at 6:59 PM
on the one hand he is a leftist and i require my bernie votes and on the other hand his arguments arent even valid let alone sound
Trackpad TerranToday at 7:00 PM
If you kill Khoi I’ll vote for sanders
Hood Reparations GangToday at 7:02 PM
khoi whats ur address
butthole entertainmentToday at 7:04 PM
why
Trackpad TerranToday at 7:04 PM
For administrative purposes




Hood Reparations GangToday at 7:07 PM
it wouldnt happen to be on spring valley road would it?
butthole entertainmentToday at 7:07 PM
no lol
are you tryna dox me
Hood Reparations GangToday at 7:08 PM
im just trying to find to proper address to return your hood
alright let me ask you this. what would it take for you to change your mind on the need for complete economic restructuring
did ur parents take ur hood away khoi
ill check the doquang files at the vatican just in case
butthole entertainmentToday at 7:11 PM
If it makes you guys happy I think I agree  for the most part in being pragmatic to achieve short term goals but I think the discussion about how we structure society in the long term still needs to be had
Hood Reparations GangToday at 7:12 PM
what do u mean for the most part. are u hinting at being an accelerationist
butthole entertainmentToday at 7:14 PM
no
I dont know enough about accelerationism to really say for sure but based off of what I do know i would say no
Trackpad TerranToday at 7:14 PM
Khoi just wants to reserve the right to criticize those who defend the status quo while offering no real criticisms that cannot be resolved in the current system and not even offering the inkling of an alternative system
I’m sorry that was mean
Where is @inc'est la vie
We need his moderative powers


butthole entertainmentToday at 7:19 PM
I can criticize the status quo and point out the issues with it without having a complete bullet proof solution to replace it. If I say general things like more horizontally organized  or less motivated by profit I'm just trying to point us in a direction  that we should generally work toward
When i throw out Ideas like coops Im just testing to see what sticks and you guys can point out the flaws and issuse with whatever im saying I dont mind that. I just want you guys to throw out ideas as well so im not always the one getting grilled
Hood Reparations GangToday at 7:25 PM
ALRIGHT DAWG. heres the thing tho. if your coop memes or other commie memes get criticized and obvs flaws are shown. you dont seem to agree
with them
and still hold your position

butthole entertainmentToday at 7:29 PM
because you aren't throwing out any alternatives and their might be elements to this discussion that Im not educated on. Like solutions to problems you guys bring up with my arguments. I mean if you want me to temporarily concede I can do that if it makes you guys feel like you won. but I dont want to just drop the idea  like a stale meme



Hood Reparations GangToday at 7:55 PM
@butthole entertainment
okay so firstly. i think its completely okay for anyone to criticize something as long as the criticism is valid.

your  second point doesnt make sense. why do i have to throw out an alternative for you to drop a wrong point? that would be like me saying hey shouldnt make a left turn at the stop light because youll get railed by another car. but then you say well you arent telling me if i should straight, reverse, or right so i think im just going to make a left turn anyway.
i dont want you to concede to make me feel better. i want you to change your mind because we should operate on what is the most logical and reasoned argument. based on what you said so far with your arguments for an alternative system, that certainly does not seem to be the case that they are a logical solution. so yea lets not drop the idea like a stale meme.

ive said before that my POV is that we should not mix morality with the market. i cant come up with a logically grounded reason to say something like a person should be paid X amount because they have derived this Y amount value without the use of a market to self determine that value and amount paid. i dont think morality can tell us how much someone should be paid. it can only tell us what is good. and if it is good that people should not be forced to starve on the streets then we have a few options for solutions right? A solution you are offering is that people should just be paid more so that they dont starve on the streets. but obvs this runs into a logistics problem of how much should they be paid and why. rather why not say that okay well this person is starving and living in the streets.
A) lets figure out systemically what causes people to get to that position
    - mental health
    - cyclical poverty
    - racial based generational wealth issues
    - poor education standards, etc
    - Medical pricing
these are all things that could be mandated as policy and have an immediate positive solution

B) how do i help this person that is on the street right this second and starving.
    - provide infastructure for homeless housing
    - provide mental health institute in the housing
    - UBI
    - programs that give homeless people work and pay backed by the government.


all of these things i just said are much better solutions than just increase the price someone gets paid and MORE IMPORTANTLY avoids the weird question of "morally, how much do i pay this person". and if nots stressed enough, i dont think we can answer that question from a moral framework. therefore attempting to answer that question in that way is inconsistent and illogical.




butthole entertainmentToday at 9:10 PM
You are already framing this argument as though markets are the end goal . We can agree that minimizing human suffering is a common goal we share. We recognize that capitalism was a necessary component to our history, clearly so many strides in technology science and culture were a direct result of capitalism.  But like you said capitalism  is a tool and alot of the issues we are facing today are integral to it .At it's core capitalism is designed to maximize profits not minimizing human suffering. From where I stand, in order for us to further reduce human suffering, which I believe is our common goal here we need to reevaluate the tools we are using  and to learn from it what we can.  Reformist strategy can only take us so far as an example do you think hyper reformed feudalism would have reduced human suffering as much as capitalism has... probably not.Because their are core issues with feudalism  Its end goal is stability through violence rather than reducing human suffering.  Why not take what we learned from capitalism to create a new societal structure in a similar way that we took what was useful from feudalism and created capitalism.