JerryMouseToday at 1:08 AM
i mean you cant just lie in public and reprimand me for showing the truth
YarrowToday at 1:08 AM
@l a z
Haggy OwlToday at 1:08 AM
Because I need to be able to have level conversations with people. I understand the occasional escalation, as over half of my own friends have multiple medical disorders they cope with too (plus myself), but this goes beyond something I can juggle. Yarrow and Grelle are not my friends, I don't see them that way, and I don't see why either of them should've started tossing around statements about me "being on their shitlist" for daring to so much as rarely talk with Lecter. I'm not here to be dragged into their personal histories and have my life choices dictated by their personal preferences.  @ScreamingFerret
YarrowToday at 1:08 AM
@ZenArcade
JerryMouseToday at 1:08 AM
im not going to tolerate being lied about being inappropriate with anyone
YarrowToday at 1:09 AM
he didn't lie
he said his public exposure of it was wrong
JerryMouseToday at 1:09 AM
go ahead and tag all the mods, you are lying about me. theres no rule that prevents me from posting a DM that is relevant to the truth while you two try to defame me
Leo the ClevToday at 1:09 AM
You still shouldn’t show DMs
DMs are supposed to be private
GnelfToday at 1:09 AM
Nothing is fucking private anymore
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:09 AM
@Haggy Owl mate I totally feel ya on all that :frowning: I’m sorry that all went down btw
YarrowToday at 1:09 AM
shall I show DMs of you threatening me with doxing then?
Haggy OwlToday at 1:10 AM
It's not your fault in any way but thank you, Ferret.
GnelfToday at 1:10 AM
I fucking apologized to you and got booted from MAC over it, what the fuck do you want from me @JerryMouse
JerryMouseToday at 1:10 AM

YarrowToday at 1:10 AM
hey, he was having a breakdown
JerryMouseToday at 1:10 AM
how much more proof do i need to post before you stop trying to bullshit people yarrow
GnelfToday at 1:10 AM
I said that during a breakdown, asshole
JerryMouseToday at 1:11 AM
yeah, im the asshole, you told a bunch of my friends i was in love with you and harassing you
which is fucking horse shit :joy:
Leo the ClevToday at 1:11 AM
Jerry those DMs are clearly not something you should be sharing
YarrowToday at 1:11 AM
He actually believed you loved him though? it wasn't a lie?
JerryMouseToday at 1:11 AM
soooo what do you suggest @Leo the Clev
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:11 AM
@Haggy Owl absolutely . DM me if u ever want to talk but also my eyes are blurring everything together so I’ll have to respond later
GnelfToday at 1:11 AM
I said that part you just showed during a breakdown, fuck off
JerryMouseToday at 1:11 AM
should i let them continue to lie about me?
i dont think thats okay.
YarrowToday at 1:11 AM
nobody is lying. we all truly believe what we are saying
Haggy OwlToday at 1:11 AM
No, Leo.
JerryMouseToday at 1:11 AM
then you have serious issues with understanding reality
Haggy OwlToday at 1:12 AM
Jerry is fully within his rights at the moment.
JerryMouseToday at 1:12 AM
because the reality is the screenshots i just posted
Leo the ClevToday at 1:12 AM
DMs shouldn’t be shared publicly
JerryMouseToday at 1:12 AM
where grelle literally admits to being a liar
Haggy OwlToday at 1:12 AM
And that is your personal stance.
JerryMouseToday at 1:12 AM
@Leo the Clev show me in the rules where it says that
GnelfToday at 1:12 AM
I Said That During A Fucking Breakdown, Asshole
Leo the ClevToday at 1:12 AM
It was clearly a breakdown though
JerryMouseToday at 1:12 AM
and ill delete them
Leo the ClevToday at 1:12 AM
I mean you can tell that it was
JerryMouseToday at 1:12 AM
LOL Grelle!!! Please!! You LIED about me!!
im not going to feel bad for exposing you for it! Ever!
YarrowToday at 1:13 AM
He didn't lie. grelle believed everything he said
was he wrong about you being in love? seems that way. but he wasn't lying
Haggy OwlToday at 1:13 AM
Leo, if Jerry has solid evidence about something he needs to defend his thoughts about then there is nothing wrong with him showing images for it even if that's in a DM.
GnelfToday at 1:13 AM
And then you posted eight screenshots worth of lies about me in MAC and got me kicked out on my ass from the last place where I felt safe
JerryMouseToday at 1:13 AM
grelle told me minutes later it was bullshit ... What Are You Even Talking About
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:13 AM
@Leo the Clev not argument FYI just curious but is the whole “dm shouldn’t be shared” from a rule standpoint or just courtesy? Idk if that’s the right word
JerryMouseToday at 1:13 AM
lol, this is insanity. you are mad because your lie got leaked
sorry, not sorry at all.
GnelfToday at 1:14 AM
Fuck you
Honestly
Leo the ClevToday at 1:14 AM
Oh just common courtesy
YarrowToday at 1:14 AM
I second that notion
Haggy OwlToday at 1:14 AM
Pretty sure it's a social courtesy.  @ScreamingFerret
JerryMouseToday at 1:14 AM
cool, i dont really mind what you think of me. you've shown yourself to be totally fake.
Leo the ClevToday at 1:14 AM
Like I assumed everyone expects DMs to be private
JerryMouseToday at 1:14 AM
two faced, ignorant, and selfish as fuck
Haggy OwlToday at 1:14 AM
That is also the exact same reason why I don't DM anything meaningful of myself to someone I don't trust.  @Leo the Clev
JerryMouseToday at 1:14 AM
@Leo the Clev how can i not share the truth
when im being accused
Haggy OwlToday at 1:15 AM
Exactly.
JerryMouseToday at 1:15 AM
can you please answer that
GnelfToday at 1:15 AM
Fuck you. The lot of you
YarrowToday at 1:15 AM
shall I share the evidence I have then?
JerryMouseToday at 1:15 AM
okay grelle thank you
yes please, do that
Leo the ClevToday at 1:15 AM

I assumed it fell under this rule
JerryMouseToday at 1:15 AM
i didnt share any personal information
i shared a conversation with zero personal identifiers.
Leo the ClevToday at 1:16 AM
Dms are personal
JerryMouseToday at 1:16 AM
because i was being lied about. about a pretty egregious subject.
GnelfToday at 1:16 AM
Can't fucking feel safe anywhere. Fuck the lot of you
JerryMouseToday at 1:16 AM
okay grelle, great. how do you think i felt
Leo the ClevToday at 1:16 AM
I’m sorry @Gnelf
JerryMouseToday at 1:16 AM
when i found out you'd been lying about me
to my friends
do you think i felt safe?
no. i didnt. i felt attacked.
Haggy OwlToday at 1:16 AM
Jerry is right. What Jerry has shared does not fall under any of those categories.
GnelfToday at 1:17 AM
This is month-old drama that I ended up hacking myself open over, but thank you for bringing it to public light all over again
YarrowToday at 1:17 AM
he wasn't lying. if you tell somebody you love them it's safe to assume they might not take it as a friendly thing, but rather a romantic one
JerryMouseToday at 1:17 AM
im still waiting on proof, yarrow. still fucking waiting after months
you dont have shit to prove your very false bullshit youre peddling, and nobody wants snake oil
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:17 AM
@Leo the Clev I kinda believe that but I’m also in groups that use DMs when putting bewares on people so I see them used . Different type of subject mind ya I know
JerryMouseToday at 1:18 AM
im all out of streamers for the pity parade at my expense.
YarrowToday at 1:18 AM
you won against me, jerry. it's quite that simple
JerryMouseToday at 1:18 AM
the levels you go to in your projections of yourself towards me are staggering
GnelfToday at 1:19 AM
I swear to fucking christ, you're trying to drive me out of everywhere. You don't want me safe anywhere. You want everyone to fucking hate me and adore you as usual
JerryMouseToday at 1:19 AM
sooooooo you say you have proof, wheres that again
YarrowToday at 1:19 AM
You won, now let it ago
JerryMouseToday at 1:19 AM
okay, so no proof.
right?
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:19 AM
I think that’s a bit of a extreme reaction @Gnelf
JerryMouseToday at 1:19 AM
because thats what youre saying.
grelle what the fuck did you expect lol
GnelfToday at 1:19 AM
So is leaking my DMs but y'all are fine with that @ScreamingFerret
YarrowToday at 1:19 AM
@ScreamingFerret with all due respect, you are missing months of context
JerryMouseToday at 1:19 AM
you get to say im a creepy piece of shit, and lie and lie and lie
and i just let it go?
GnelfToday at 1:20 AM
This is month-old drama that I've suffered my consequences for
JerryMouseToday at 1:20 AM
no, ferret has all the context. im saying you lied, i showed proof. you said im lying, and refuse to back it up
YarrowToday at 1:20 AM
He has, in fact, suffered the consequences
JerryMouseToday at 1:20 AM
yeah, no.
lol
i promise you that there have been zero consequences from me
GnelfToday at 1:21 AM
Because being booted out of one of the last places I felt safe wasn't a consequence
Sure
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:21 AM
@Gnelf @Yarrow  I get I’m missing content. But the reactions are enough and I’m not here reading all of this to do a pity party for either side. But saying that ur not safe n that they don’t want u to be safe? That’s kinda a extreme accusation
JerryMouseToday at 1:21 AM
you know what i did? i told MAC staff privately to allow yall to stay
GnelfToday at 1:21 AM
Sure you did
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:21 AM
Ur safe here
JerryMouseToday at 1:21 AM
but they said you two had been problematic for a long time
GnelfToday at 1:21 AM
Evidence?
JerryMouseToday at 1:21 AM
okay, i can do that
i actually Have Evidence wow
Haggy OwlToday at 1:22 AM
I can really believe Mouse would do something like that, it's in his nature, which he's proven time and time again.
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:22 AM
About the DM leaking, like if it had to be done for bad content then I guess?? Like idk clearly this wasn’t going away anytime soon, the feelings over all of this for both parties involved, months old or not.
Haggy OwlToday at 1:22 AM
And I'm speaking from a place of only recently meeting him.
YarrowToday at 1:22 AM
My evidence was unfortunately deleted. it may sound like a weak excuse but I have blackouts in which I do things I don't remember. which included deleting most of the screenshots I've ever saved
JerryMouseToday at 1:22 AM

lol, im sure it was deleted.
idk where it could have possibly come from, being that i have the entire DM history between grelle and i
so....
what was it
YarrowToday at 1:23 AM
you don't have to believe me
JerryMouseToday at 1:23 AM
nobody does
so thats good
a good start.
YarrowToday at 1:23 AM
that's quite all right
JerryMouseToday at 1:23 AM
was that proof good enough for you @Gnelf
YarrowToday at 1:23 AM
I don't need anyone to believe me
JerryMouseToday at 1:23 AM
was that quick enough
YarrowToday at 1:23 AM
I need you to stop tormenting grelle
GnelfToday at 1:23 AM
Yes, actually. Thank you
YarrowToday at 1:23 AM
that's all I need
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:24 AM
Maybe if possible tho not post the full DMs and only like important quotes if that’s such a hot button issue around here?
GnelfToday at 1:24 AM
No, let him do what he wants. I'll end up being portrayed as the bad guy in one way or another
JerryMouseToday at 1:24 AM
i dont fucking bullshit people like that. im not a malicious figure in your life, despite you painting me to be that. you attacked me, for no fucking reason, you even said i didnt deserve to be lied about like that, but you still fuck with me over it
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:24 AM
@Yarrow I get u two are together and it’s coming from a place of love and I can respect that but like can u stop telling people what to do at all times?
YarrowToday at 1:25 AM
@ScreamingFerret no, I will not
GnelfToday at 1:25 AM
He's literally just asking Jerry to not be a cunt, but okay m8
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:25 AM
Where be the mods tho in a time like this.
Haggy OwlToday at 1:25 AM
DMs as evidence are useful for shedding light on thoughts and behavior patterns of people who would otherwise try to hide or lie about them.  @ScreamingFerret
JerryMouseToday at 1:25 AM
i dont need to post any other proof. ive backed up every single word ive said in here.
GnelfToday at 1:25 AM
All of them are conveniently asleep or otherwise offline
YarrowToday at 1:25 AM
I want people to not torment him any further, I'm not asking him to dance for me
JerryMouseToday at 1:26 AM
nothing is going to happen. not to me, or to anyone here, except maybe to yarrow for continuing to try and slander me
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:26 AM
Oh no I know @Haggy Owl  I’m just saying show the most important parts unless that’s the whole thing? I just don’t want ppl getting into trouble for posting it as it wouldn’t be fair either
YarrowToday at 1:26 AM
I'm not trying to slander you. all I said was "we both know what you've said to grelle". this isn't slander
JerryMouseToday at 1:26 AM
which is WHAT
tell us what you think i said to grelle????  this is nonsense!
YarrowToday at 1:27 AM
I don't want to go into detail publically. unlike yourself
GnelfToday at 1:27 AM
Say whatever you want about me. Post all the DMs you want. Smear me all you want. Turn everyone against me. I don't fucking care anymore
Haggy OwlToday at 1:27 AM
[nods]  I understand, but I doubt Mouse will be hurt over anything he's said in here about this.  @ScreamingFerret
Leo the ClevToday at 1:27 AM
@Gnelf @JerryMouse @Yarrow @ScreamingFerret @Haggy Owl This channel is in slowmode courtesy of Eevee, who happens to be partially nonverbal at the moment
GnelfToday at 1:27 AM
Get me booted out of another place where I dared to feel safe. I don't fucking care
YarrowToday at 1:28 AM
Grelle is having a breakdown, please do not antagonize him any further
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:28 AM
@Leo the Clev what’s “slowmode” do?
JerryMouseToday at 1:29 AM
yarrow its because you dont have SHIT, you are LYING. you are FULL OF IT. im LITERALLY INVITING you to share what youre accusing me of, but you just post this vague ass bullshit that you think will make people question me, but what you need to understand is that i KNOW ive done nothing wrong, and i can back up everything im fucking saying. its harassment at this point, for you to continue going on about this shit you are so fucking clearly trying to bullshit everyone with
GnelfToday at 1:29 AM
Fuck the lot of you. All of you. For defending his bullshit and letting him do whatever he wants to whoever he wants
Leo the ClevToday at 1:29 AM
Keeps you from sending messages for a certain amount of time after you send one, for now 15 seconds although she might consider upping it
YarrowToday at 1:29 AM
@d̶e̶a̶d̶⚰ excuse me, I'm aware you can't really talk, but may you please delete any screenshots of DMs that were posted? thank you dear
JerryMouseToday at 1:29 AM
please do not..
βρυκόλακαςToday at 1:29 AM
Please don't.
GnelfToday at 1:30 AM
But surely it isn't harassment to post my DMs and publicly call me a liar
Surely it isn't harassment to bring up month-old drama and send me into another fucking breakdown over it just so you get to feel like the bigger man
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:30 AM
@Leo the Clev okay thank you for explaining. I’d say up it more so they have time to catch up @d̶e̶a̶d̶⚰
JerryMouseToday at 1:30 AM
after being accused of being inappropriate with another person, i should be allowed to defend myself in the only way that i can, by showing the proof.
Leo the ClevToday at 1:30 AM
She upped it to 30 seconds
YarrowToday at 1:31 AM
I'm sorry I can't pick up this entire argument. I don't have the memories associated to this argument all the way. I'm trying my best
Haggy OwlToday at 1:31 AM
Okay, I lied, I read that last one above. And I'm calling you out on your shit because as someone with alters and C-PTSD  that isn't even how memory gaps work majority of the time. It isn't some never-ending pitch black expanse in the brain.
GnelfToday at 1:32 AM
I fucking misinterpreted things you were saying and signals you were giving off and got creeped out over it. Excuse me for not being able to read signals over the internet
Leo the ClevToday at 1:32 AM
I actually as someone with DID that is how memory gaps work for me, I can’t remember things at all
GnelfToday at 1:32 AM
Yeah no he's had dissociative amnesia for years, but thank you for your input
Haggy OwlToday at 1:32 AM
And you can't continue to state again and again, "I can't do this. I don't remember. I have no clue. I have no evidence. Yes, it's wonderfully convenient but I just can't, pals."
JerryMouseToday at 1:32 AM
@Yarrow if you cant fucking remember then stop accusing me of being some kind of monster. i have plenty of things im happy sitting silently with regarding you but its getting to the point where im not going to be able to restrain myself from revealing those things. i feel attacked and harassed by your lies, and im going to defend myself.
βρυκόλακαςToday at 1:33 AM
The experiences of memory gaps are not universal or monolithic.
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:33 AM
Calling someone a liar isn’t harassment tho?  While sharing DMs to prove something may not be nice it’s not like anything in there was totally terrible either atleast to me. It’s not like they were showing u admitting to committing a crime like something actually super horrible.
GnelfToday at 1:33 AM
No but he's publicly fanning the flames to make me out to be some kind of fucking monster
YarrowToday at 1:34 AM
He is publically fanning the flames, I'm sure even he can agree
JerryMouseToday at 1:34 AM
you lied about a NOMAP being inappropriate with a minor. wtf do you think that makes you look like?
Haggy OwlToday at 1:34 AM
No, Mouse is entirely accurate right there. If you couldn't remember the evidence then you are acting on pre-conceived notions of a person that you're willfully refusing to change or improve on.
GnelfToday at 1:35 AM
I misinterpreted signals that were being sent over the internet! Which is notoriously hard to interpret! And got creeped out! I don't know how else to explain this, my dude
JerryMouseToday at 1:35 AM
okay, do i need to post your actual rant? because you need to stop lying.
βρυκόλακαςToday at 1:35 AM
Sure
YarrowToday at 1:35 AM
I didn't take ages into consideration. If you must remember I am 20 and he is 17. I am being "inappropriate" with a minor myself
GnelfToday at 1:35 AM
Fine. Post the rant
I don't care anymore. Run my reputation here through the shredder more. Watch me not give a shit
Haggy OwlToday at 1:36 AM
I want to see this.
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:36 AM
@βρυκόλακας agree on memeory gaps. Different thing but due to my brain bleed I have really bad memory loss to where I can’t remember even simple things like when I laid on my bed despite having looked at the lock or what I ate. I’m low key scared to get old
GnelfToday at 1:36 AM
Of course you do
YarrowToday at 1:36 AM
You're all being quite cruel to grelle
JerryMouseToday at 1:37 AM
oh please
Leo the ClevToday at 1:37 AM
Please don’t post it
βρυκόλακαςToday at 1:37 AM
Please do
GnelfToday at 1:37 AM
It clearly doesn't matter. I clearly deserve this. All of this. Just run me through the fucking shredder once more for good measure
YarrowToday at 1:37 AM
wasted your 20 seconds on two words huh

please don't post it. there's no point. DM it to people who are interested if you must
Haggy OwlToday at 1:38 AM
That is not quite what I was referring to in terms of memory. There are different forms of it, for one.  @ScreamingFerret
GnelfToday at 1:38 AM
Nah post it. Go ahead. Show everyone what a lying psychotic two-faced bitch I am, if you absolutely insist
βρυκόλακαςToday at 1:38 AM
I think the point is that the entire server deserves to possess awareness.
JerryMouseToday at 1:38 AM
your confirmation does enough.
YarrowToday at 1:39 AM
He's having a breakdown, this can't be considered consent to posting
GnelfToday at 1:39 AM
I'm paraphrasing your giant rant, but thanks for completely missing my point, asshole
Haggy OwlToday at 1:39 AM
Example: If I'm not able to remember where I left my phone by the next morning but my continuous memory impressions of where I might normally leave said phone will be where I check first. Memory has a way of working in a more roundabout fashion like this.
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:39 AM
@Haggy Owl oh no I know I was just sharing mine. I find it shocking on the memory gaps spoken about here but nothing I can’t believe to be able to happen at the same time
Leo the ClevToday at 1:39 AM
Yeah I don’t think this is confirmation he’s giving in a right state of mind
JerryMouseToday at 1:40 AM
im not taking it as consent to post, yarrow. im not going to allow your manipulative bullshit to make grelle feel even worse. because for some reason theres still a shred of me that gives a shit
GnelfToday at 1:40 AM
Show everyone what I am. Or what you believe me to be. Go ahead. It's not like anyone here has a doubt in their minds that I'm disgusting
YarrowToday at 1:40 AM
ah, we're going back to me being abusive towards grelle? I like that better. let's talk about that
Haggy OwlToday at 1:40 AM
And I don't know if Grelle is aware of it or not but Yarrow has a very specific way of manipulating talks in which to gain his favor.
GnelfToday at 1:41 AM
Don't stop attacking me just to attack him, thanks
Haggy OwlToday at 1:41 AM
He actually did so quite a few times earlier in this exact chat.
YarrowToday at 1:41 AM
you've had your turn on the hot seat, luv. let them come for me
GnelfToday at 1:41 AM
I thought I'd heard every horrible thing there was to say about me but I was wrong so keep going. It's fun
YarrowToday at 1:42 AM
it actually is getting quite fun, if I may be honest. I'm impressed at how far this is going
βρυκόλακαςToday at 1:42 AM
It's quite the assumption that there can be only one subject of criticism at a given moment.
GnelfToday at 1:42 AM
(Note: it's not fucking fun, I'm being sarcastic)
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:42 AM
Just gonna add in as well that they ain’t making this up. Iv been witness to it as well :(.
YarrowToday at 1:43 AM
"fun" is a rather simple word to choose, but I am impressed at how far this can go, and I'm almost looking forward to more
GnelfToday at 1:43 AM
Yeah it's "fun" I love getting shit on by people I thought were my friends
But nobody in this godforsaken community is really my friend anyway, so whatever
JerryMouseToday at 1:45 AM
personally i think you two should be banned for constantly being aggressive and standoffish with anyone who engages with you. it always turns into shit like this.
Leo the ClevToday at 1:45 AM
This channel will be hidden after stuff wraps up till staff figure out what to do about this tomorrow. Eevee doesn’t want it public for all members to see after the fact.
YarrowToday at 1:45 AM
thank you, eevee
GnelfToday at 1:45 AM
Thanks @d̶e̶a̶d̶⚰ you're the real MVP

You're literally publicly calling for people to be banned. I don't see how this isn't trying to drive people out of the server
JerryMouseToday at 1:46 AM
not trying to drive "people out of the server"... im suggesting that you both should be banned for constantly creating a toxic environment in a fucking support community :joy: unreal...
YarrowToday at 1:46 AM
From re-reading the support channel I see that I just asked specific people to not DM me for support. so I'm not sure how that led to this
Leo the ClevToday at 1:47 AM
:shrug::skin-tone-1:‍♂️ who knows
GnelfToday at 1:47 AM
The lot of you won't rest until I'm gone from everywhere and fucking isolated because clearly isolation is the solution to severe PD and all the other problems I have.
JerryMouseToday at 1:47 AM
you lied about me. thats how. damn thats selective as fuck
YarrowToday at 1:47 AM
I didn't tell any lies
JerryMouseToday at 1:48 AM
yeah grelle you just saw that i never wanted that because i showed you evidence that isnt the case. i showed you what i said to staff at MAC. i said similar things to staff at MSC.
GnelfToday at 1:48 AM
Just quietly sweep me under the rug as an ugly blot on the community's history and pretend y'all didn't purposefully drive me away from people I thought were my friends. People I thought fucking cared about me and who are now putting me on display like it's the fucking circus
ScreamingFerretToday at 1:48 AM
@Leo the Clev sorry I’m about to pass out but is the spam channel just not gonna be visible till everything is cleaned up or for like all time? Thank you
Leo the ClevToday at 1:48 AM
But you just said “I’m suggesting you should be banned”
YarrowToday at 1:49 AM
I didn't mean to start anything tonight. I just wanted support for feelings of trauma related to lecter. I apologize for causing this mess.
JerryMouseToday at 1:49 AM
so like, if i say "Yarrow abuses children" and then say i have proof, but refuse to post it... youre totally chill with that dude? thats okay with you?
Leo the ClevToday at 1:49 AM
Yeah it’s gonna be hidden @ScreamingFerret
JerryMouseToday at 1:49 AM
because thats literally exactly what you have done to me here tonight. that is exactly what youre doing.
im really not okay with this getting hidden away, unless there is action taken against the people who are fucking lying about me being inappropriate with a minor. that is NOT okay with me
YarrowToday at 1:50 AM
I didn't accuse you of anything. I said we were both aware of our past and you and grelle's past, and that we didn't need to get into it. if you took that as an accusation, maybe you should consider why you react so explosively
JerryMouseToday at 1:51 AM
yeah, thats called making implications, and when you refuse to elaborate on it, you allow people to assume the worst, and then you two chastise me for trying to defend myself, and show the truth of the situation
Leo the ClevToday at 1:51 AM
I mean I chastised you more than they did for sharing DMs
GnelfToday at 1:51 AM
Action in the form of isolation from a community I desperately need. Thanks mate, that's really fucking helpful. I hope you feel good about yourself
JerryMouseToday at 1:52 AM
@Leo the Clev i really dont have anything for you regarding this, nor any opinion on the interactions you and i have had tonight.
Haggy OwlToday at 1:52 AM
Read this part here, "I didn't mean to start anything tonight. I just wanted support for feelings of trauma related to lecter. I apologize for causing this mess."  <--- No. You didn't. You knew it was a topic I was just talking about and you moved something that should have just been a singular, simple question but turned it into this bizarre, migraine inducing mess. You started this and you did so willfully.
YarrowToday at 1:52 AM
I didn't mean to make any implications, my bad. also seeing as grelle is 17, not 12, I don't see how it would be inappropriate for you to have expressed feelings for him if you had, which I'm not saying you did
JerryMouseToday at 1:53 AM
i am a bit confused why youre defending the people who have been demonstrably shown to be harassing me and lying about me. thats what im confused on with you, leo. but i am not going to pursue that because i dont have the energy for it

bullshit, yarrow. you just admitted to implying things. how can you lie so blatantly? we're all here reading the same things.
YarrowToday at 1:53 AM
@Haggy Owl no, I really just wanted support. it's not that deep
Haggy OwlToday at 1:54 AM
Leo appears to feel some kinship towards them due to emotions surrounding a history with Lecter. I think that's why he's been stepping in to comment.  @JerryMouse
YarrowToday at 1:54 AM
I think leo is also a decent person who cares about private DMs remaining private
JerryMouseToday at 1:54 AM
that's fine and its a sentiment i can understand if true, but im being harassed by them. its not the other way around. they want to frame it that way, but thats not how it is.
Leo the ClevToday at 1:55 AM
I don’t either so if you still wanna talk about it later, we can.

I mean that’s all part of it but certainly not all of it
GnelfToday at 1:55 AM
Who cares about privacy when it's time to publicly put me on trial and make everyone in this server hate me
YarrowToday at 1:55 AM
this conversation didn't even involve you until you, the person who has told me in the past to not talk to you, decided to talk to me while I was asking for support @JerryMouse
JerryMouseToday at 1:56 AM
idk thats so much vague shit i cant even read it
Haggy OwlToday at 1:56 AM
" GnelfToday at 12:55 AM
Who cares about privacy when it's time to publicly put me on trial and make everyone in this server hate me"  <--- This isn't a trial. The issue stems far more from Yarrow and his impact on you than with yourself, Grelle.
GnelfToday at 1:57 AM
Sure it has nothing to do with me. That's why my DMs with him were shared. Because that makes some vague kind of sense
Haggy OwlToday at 1:57 AM
The mods themselves aren't treating it as such and I don't think Mouse has the final say on whether or not you're booted. He originally tried to protect you from that.
JerryMouseToday at 1:57 AM
.... WHAT??! :joy:
YarrowToday at 1:58 AM
Yes, let's talk about how I'm abusive. a much better topic. I'm open to all criticism and accusations
Haggy OwlToday at 1:58 AM
I didn't say "nothing to do with you".
JerryMouseToday at 1:58 AM
your DMs were shared because your partner said some fucked up shit about me and i showed people the actual truth, how many times should i repeat this phrase?
how can you type something like that and not see how toxic it sounds, yarrow, it defies reason
YarrowToday at 1:59 AM
Tell me more about how I'm toxic, I'm all ears
Haggy OwlToday at 1:59 AM
There, that's what I've been looking for:  "  YarrowToday at 12:58 AM
Yes, let's talk about how I'm abusive. a much better topic. I'm open to all criticism and accusations " <--- You literally do this to divert attention and convince your boyfriend that you're trying to protect him when that isn't the underlying goal behind it. At first, I thought it could've been, but the more I see you say and the more I realize it really isn't coming from a genuine desire to protect Grelle. It's there to make yourself appear like a safe place for him to go to against all these supposedly terrible people hounding y'all tonight.
Leo the ClevToday at 1:59 AM
I think he’s trying to protect Grelle by redirecting the conversation but I could be mistaken
ScreamingFerretToday at 2:00 AM
Attention seeking, , turns conversations towards urself even outside of support. Wish I wasn’t so tired cuz I know there was actually more legit stuff. Fuck. Edit: oh and let’s forget the pity party that ya throw when things don’t go ur way, suddenly it’s all about you in those instances. I think I’m done cuz I can’t think.
JerryMouseToday at 2:00 AM
i think he's trying to manipulate grelle by protecting the situation as he's framed it
Haggy OwlToday at 2:00 AM
^ ^ ^ ^ That's exactly what he's doing.
YarrowToday at 2:00 AM
@Haggy Owl what wonderful psychoanalysis! it's very wrong, but it sounds nice
GnelfToday at 2:01 AM
Can you all fuck off with how abusive and toxic and what the fuck ever he is. I'm not having any of this shit. Fuck the lot of you. You don't know the half of how our relationship dynamic works. 99.9% of our interactions are in DMs. This is speculatory bullshit
Leo the ClevToday at 2:01 AM
Let’s say that is happening Haggy Owl, how is this helping Grelle?
YarrowToday at 2:01 AM
@ScreamingFerret thank you for your input. feel free to DM me with more criticism when you're less tired
Haggy OwlToday at 2:02 AM
The issue with pretending he's protecting his boyfriend also goes hand in hand with the fact that he's said he finds this conversation entertaining. He claims he's laughing and amused by how long this has lasted. He thrives on attention, even when it's in a negative form.
It helps because no one else in this server seems to have spoken up about it, outside of Mouse.
And Grelle needs to be aware of this for future decisions, regardless of what those may end up being.
GnelfToday at 2:03 AM
What are you even getting out of this? What good is it doing? This is directed at everyone, not just those who backed me into the corner in the first place
ScreamingFerretToday at 2:04 AM
The truth? ^ Understanding?
GnelfToday at 2:05 AM
This is a fucking bullshit last-ditch effort to get rid of us from the last of the servers where neither of us have staff-related jurisdiction
YarrowToday at 2:05 AM
I was impressed at all of your cruelty, not anything else, but that's beside the point
Haggy OwlToday at 2:06 AM
News flash: I don't actually want you to leave the server, Grelle.  People in here want your behavior to improve. I mean, both of you, ideally speaking. But you're both completely obstinate to anyone bringing it up no matter when it happens or what is said.
Leo the ClevToday at 2:06 AM
This isn’t helping Grelle if that’s what you’re trying to do though
Haggy OwlToday at 2:07 AM
He could literally just step away from his computer or phone right now. I physically am not stopping him.
GnelfToday at 2:07 AM
Because we're being publicly portrayed as some kind of manipulative insidious villains who do nothing but create drama everywhere we go. Of course I'm going to be resistant to that
YarrowToday at 2:07 AM
Are you all finished now? it's starting to look more like old drama we've been over a million times and that never gets anywhere
Haggy OwlToday at 2:08 AM
That said, it's also late at night, I need to sleep and I think Mouse has also called this quits. I'm turning in for bed.
YarrowToday at 2:09 AM
@d̶e̶a̶d̶⚰ bag it and tag it, my dear
JerryMouseToday at 2:09 AM
you brought it up yarrow :stuck_out_tongue:
GnelfToday at 2:10 AM
Can we not start up again, please? For the love of all things holy
YarrowToday at 2:10 AM
You've said your piece. me and grelle are awful and should be removed. now let it die
GnelfToday at 2:11 AM
Finally cooling down and not feeling 10 seconds from stabbing myself in the thigh and I'm quite enjoying it, so let's just not. Y'all are allowed to think whatever you want about me. Do with all this information what you will. I'll be stepping away for the evening, and I'd appreciate it if the drama went to bed with me
YarrowToday at 2:12 AM
I apologize for starting this. from now on I shall not name lecter when I ask for support about trauma, if his name brings up this kind of mess
Leo the ClevToday at 2:12 AM
I have a headache and I’d love for us all to be done too so I don’t end up cutting myself
ScreamingFerretToday at 2:12 AM
@Yarrow are u really surprised at my “ cruelty” after what we have discussed? @Gnelf I think it’s to show more about what’s going on, improvement would be better instead of feeling like u n him are attacking people for like nothing. I know Iv brought it up before but seeing other people here helps me realize it wasn’t just me overreacting either.
JerryMouseToday at 2:13 AM
as if bringing up lecter is the reason ive said any of this. get real.
d̶e̶a̶d̶⚰Today at 2:15 AM
:clapper: pleese
Eevee sleep. Channel go to bed too for now