All Kinds Of Me says:
 mmk. simply because you have explained your.. concerns about craig, does not mean i am going to follow your suggested course of action. you are assuming i am doing nothing, which is incorrect. i am trying to salvage a situation. i have a decent amount of confidence it will work, otherwise i would not be doing it. however, your actions are not only detrimental to my attempted reforms in EAD, but to LED as a whole, and to myself. i spoke to jai about craig, and we came to an understanding regarding it - that still stands. your constant, and i mean constant, hounding of craig on the forums - half the time now when its not remotely justified - is too much. i understand you don't care about getting priv'd, but porkel doesn't want CPD getting fucked over, and i'd myself rather not have to do it. as it stands though, i'm done being a soft commissioner. you continue it, you'll get priv'd. if craig doesn't get hsi shit in gear, he'll get demoted. it's made things much more simply, and it's just how i'm going to handle things from now on
Tucker says:
 I know all of that
 and I'd personally like to see 3 recent instances of my flaming of Craig not being justified?
 I can think of one that's within the last week or so
All Kinds Of Me says:
 you had a right to disagree. that does not include insulting him to the degree where you get modded
Tucker says:
 when did I get modded?
 I got a warning from Fire At Will for something I said about Craig
 and that's been once
 that was on 5/30
 I don't even remember what that was tbh
All Kinds Of Me says:
 that would be it. you just told him to cry to his mommy and run to hsi racecar bed
Tucker says:
 o ye
 lol
All Kinds Of Me says:
 for fucks sake, thats not productive
Tucker says:
 sure that's not productive, but if you'll read the rest of the thread
 I've been perfectly productive
 shown that he doesn't know the law that he's supposed to uphold and protect, and subsequently deal with other factions based off of it
All Kinds Of Me says:
 it is perfectly possible to argue without flaming
Tucker says:
 I've think I've made one (read ONE) flame statement in regards to him in that thread
 Staging is against the law, you're a brainless R6 that meddles into business that you have no part of, and you need to be demoted immediately.
 that one
 no 2
 cause I said he was looking more and more absurd
 but if you'll look at everything else
 I've successfully proven that he doesn't know the law
 and all of his opinions that OTHER PEOPLE FROM OTHER FACTIONS have been flaming in regards to this
 have been perfectly justified
All Kinds Of Me says:

 "Holt": so I have no choice but to turn everyone against him
"Holt": like I did with Thomas Pain
"Holt": and that worked out quite nicely
 that's not going to happen again
 i've said a hundred times i did not handle that right, and i won't make the same mistake
Tucker says:
 I didn't say it was if you look at the rest of that log
 I said that was what I was forced to do
 whether or not it works is a completely different story
 but if he's not going to be demoted from HC, then, fuck, what else can I do to get your attention, even if it's in a completely negative, condescending, and biased way?
All Kinds Of Me says:
 all that will happen is you will get priv'd and LED will be down one less capable officer
 you're not acting in LED's best interests
 porkel neeeds you as r4
Tucker says:
 oh, trust me, I am
All Kinds Of Me says:
 and you're essentially doing everything you can to not be one
Tucker says:
 LED needs one more rankwhore kicked out as R6
All Kinds Of Me says:
 listen
Tucker says:
 fuck me being as R4
All Kinds Of Me says:
 i am dealing with the situaiton
 you havenm't even seen anything of what i've done or am doing yet
Tucker says:
 That's fine, and I'm trying to trust that you are
 but I haven't even seen the EP/NYC merger
 which was supposed to happen LAST WEEK
 so I think you can understand my stance here, at least in terms of feeling like nothing is getting done?
All Kinds Of Me says:
 i'd rather get it done right than get ir done fast
 there has been considerable benefit to taking a bit more time
 a week is not going to be the death of the LED
Tucker says:
 which has been what?
 what exactly has been the benefit?
 I haven't seen anything
 no one's seen anything
All Kinds Of Me says:
 no shit no ones seen anything
 there is a reason why the high command forum is private
 we've had a discussion going for about two days now
 and
 from that, we've had a lot of great input about how to get it going well
 yes, it needs to be done
 and yes, its going to be done today
Tucker says:
 for about two days now

All Kinds Of Me says:
 but the fact is, the GP starting today is going to be much better than the one starting last week
Tucker says:
 not going to lie, that discussion shoulda been there a week ago
 I'm glad that it's there today
 and getting done
 but you know that any discussion could have been done earlier so that we'd start seeing things sooner
 or at least hearing things
All Kinds Of Me says:
 i wanted to talk to the HC involved first. yes, i've made a few mistakes in this, but i'm not going to be perfect
Tucker says:
 no one's expecting you to be
 well, I'm not at least
All Kinds Of Me says:
 i'm the one who proposed this, and mostly the one whos been putting it together. this is kind of a big thing, and its important its done right
 it could have been done quicker, yes
 and i've learned to be quciker in the future
 but i also don't think it's the end all that it took a bit too long
Tucker says:
 that's fine, and I applaud the fact that this has been a learning experience
 now, in relation to Craig
 go back and read that chat log
 read what I said about him
 and stop telling me to back off of him
 I'm not going to back off of him until he's demoted from HC
All Kinds Of Me says:
 I don't care if you disagree
Tucker says:
 and if he's not after all these changes are done, I'm gone, and I guarantee you that people you don't want to leave will be gone as well
All Kinds Of Me says:
 The problem is, the way you disagree is to flame
Tucker says:
 and my flaming is perfectly founded
 maybe not justified
 but perfectly founded
All Kinds Of Me says:
 It's not helping.
 you are actively working against what i am trying to do
 whether you realize it or not
Tucker says:
 it's not helping because it causes Craig to amke threads in the HC forums dedicated to me because he can't get me off of his back
 The attention is nice, but the point is apparently being missed: CRAIG SHOULD NOT BE RANK SIX OF A FACTION AT ALL
 and most of the people that are too scared to say anything are just going to see that I'm not afraid to and put their two cents in whenever they feel like it
 i.e. you saw Roland/Drake/Inca do it in that thread
All Kinds Of Me says:
 drake is a fucking idiot
Tucker says:
 oh, I'm well aware
 but his statement here:
All Kinds Of Me says:
 he tried to flame craig and instead agreed with him
Tucker says:
 One set of laws for some factions another set for another? seriosly, how the **** did you get R6 EAD?

All Kinds Of Me says:
 thats not what craig saidf though
Tucker says:
 oh yeah it was, if you decide to take it that way
All Kinds Of Me says:
 next sentence made it clear thats NOT what he meant
 but
 all things aside
 just stop flaming like you are. it makes people do it to everyone. i don't care its craig at r6. i don't want people saying shit like that to each other
Tucker says:
 then grow balls and do something about it
 whatever your plans are for him
 get it done
 ASAP
 like
 now
 he gets in faction chat
 and does IAD's job
 because he can
 Inca got fined another 5k for saying that he was going to dispute a 1k fine that Craig gave him for something
 can't remember what exactly
All Kinds Of Me says:
 if something happens
 it will probably be what i said before
 craig goes to r5, and ead is under mria
Tucker says:
 insufficient
 Craig is R5
 there's your problem
 Craig should not be allowed anywhere near factional decisions for the LED
 shouldn't be allowed to speak for the LED at all
 outside of getting facts to hand to an EAD R5
 who can do somethign
All Kinds Of Me says:
 i am doing what i think is best. i have taken your thoughts into consideration, and craigs
 i'll speak to mira first
 i need to be sure she is alright
 with it
 and then i'll speak to craig
 should he not improve where he is
Tucker says:
 Craig will obviously tell you that he should be HC for blah blah blah reasons
All Kinds Of Me says:
 then other actions will be taken
 thats fine
 i've more or less made my mind
 lets compromise here.
 i'm taking the steps i described
 lay off craig for a while. give it a chance to work, and don't give him a reason to say its because of holt blah blah
Tucker says:
 he'll say that regardless
 because I'm the only one that's litearlly not afraid of what happens to me in order to get people removed from their position of power
 which doesn't quite make sense to me
 but oh well
 anyways
 the issue is that you still have Craig Murphy as HC with your plans
 meaning he can speak for the LED and make decisions that he shouldn't be making
All Kinds Of Me says:
 if it continues to be an issue, further steps will be taken
Tucker says:
 and I think that I've proven by now that he doesn't deserve to be given any more time
All Kinds Of Me says:
 just give it a chance to work out if possible, please. i'd like for it to have a shot
Tucker says:
 fuck, I even know that I don't deserve to be given any more time, I shoulda been fined/priv'd already, etc
All Kinds Of Me says:
 yup. look at my situation
 we're demoting a shit ton of r4's
Tucker says:
 I know, I've seen that
All Kinds Of Me says:
 en masse
 i don't want them having any mroe reason to bitch
 let this reform have a SHOT
 if it doesn't work, i'll take it further
 if i don't
 obviously you are free to continue to flame craig
Tucker says:
 I'll let it have a shot
 I'll even agree to step down the flames
 you have to promise to get your merger done within the next day
 and restrict Craig as an R5
 Mira is on TS right now
 (not that that's important at this very moment, but she's there if you want/need to talk to her about it)
 and when I say restrict Craig
 I mean you inform that his role in the LED is to deal with other factions
 and that's it
 nothing internal
 at all
 not even patrol groups
 combat groups
 etc
All Kinds Of Me says:
 well, he can lead patrols like any R3+.. but i don't think he does much
Tucker says:
 because he can't, but that's another story
All Kinds Of Me says:
 i'm supposed to leave in a minute. stupid mira, being on now
 nribgiub
 but
 i'll talk to her
 when i get the heads up
 i'll send craig a PM informing him
 also i have no idea what the department name would be
Tucker says:
 that's all I wanted to know/hear/see, etc
 cause that's more than you've shown in the past week
 so I assume that we have an understanding?
All Kinds Of Me says:
 shown perhaps, but i like to present my ideas, even to HC, fairly formulated
 yes, mostly, though what i can guarantee in the next day is i will talk to mira and then mail craig
 depending on when he gets on, the department thing might get confusing
Tucker says:
 you have a demote button
 use it
All Kinds Of Me says:
 as demoting someone won't delete the department
 ^
Tucker says:
 tell a GM to do it
All Kinds Of Me says:
 i know
 zanax had to... "go and get a gm" the other day
Tucker says:
 yer
 but good, that's all I was after
 R5 is definitely not the desired result, but as long as he's kept SECURELY in check
 then I don't have a problem
All Kinds Of Me says:
 well, he'll be under mira. also, i must run. but i'll takl to mira later, assuming shes on.. she usually is later
Tucker says:
 yeah, I know
 peace