83.795835/8640	#VALUE!	Economic "benefits"
128.662821	00:02:09	our employees live in burnaby and have houses, shop, pay taxes, etc
202.222806	00:03:22	if you go onto our website...they'll tell you ever single line item, all the financials
248.768587	00:04:09	we train emergency response personnel in each community
520.939571	00:08:41	safety is our number one concern
700.475866	00:11:40	[Regarding the Burnaby Fire Department's 2015 tactical risk analysis]
814.109878	00:13:34	number one cause of that in the world [rim seal fire] is lightning, so we're in a low lightning place
877.261335	00:14:37	if there is going to be any fires it would start out as a rim fire
881.218494	00:14:41	so then the rim seal could sink a roof and you could get a catastrophic full surface fire
922.449691	00:15:22	if this intersection is closed..../and that's for anything...
939.530227	00:15:40	the city of burnaby probably has plans in place
1024.275781	00:17:04	"we have three emergency response techs..."" ""...about 20 operators
1067.4639721067.463972""so you're saying that the fire department is mistaken?/""because they don't know what it takes for us to implement our..."
1188.931959	00:19:49	why not put fewer  tanks
1267.672224	00:21:08	everybody's, they can have their own opinion, I guess
1412.293188	00:23:32	I'm sure the city has plans for evacuation
1442.381985	00:24:02	"what they don't have is the capacity to put out a tank fire/...we recognize that...
1697.0695221697.069522""we meet with the city monthly"
1701.587878	00:28:22	I don't understand how you could possibly have 26 tanks in this geographical area/because we do
1803.111185	00:30:03	so you're saying that if you have a tank on fire there, there will be no fire going to the trees/correct
1926.786188	00:32:07	"so you will do it regardless of whether or not the city is satisfied?/yes
1941.5116151941.511615""we're very convinced..."
1947.78551	00:32:28	we wouldn't do it otherwise
1978.579401	00:32:59	there isn't a facility, around  that is going to be as safe as this one
2011.675638	00:33:32	[shellmont farm has 7 tanks]/What does that matter?
2219.606346	00:37:00	so you trust the city?
2239.22426	00:37:19	i wouldn't work for a company I didn't believe in
2291.823295	00:38:12	"I'm not going through this report with you...because it is from 2015...
2346.9165382346.916538""but the whole mountain is connected right.../yep, but its better than being in the street"
2356.615175	00:39:17	because the residents asked us to build a tunnel, its  $110 million
2371.892206	00:39:32	why not just not do the project/cause that's not an issue, we have the approval to do it
2380.286179	00:39:40	because there is a market for it, and we believ...and there's is a use for it
2440.171182	00:40:40
2440.171182	00:40:40	I'm not saying we should stop using oil, I'm saying this is incredibly dangerous
2485.231829	00:41:25	wouldn't it be better if we use our own product rather than importing...
2502.315364	00:41:42	maybe in 20 years time there won't be oil in those tanks, we'll be storing water, we're just a moving company
2617.240848	00:43:37	I do it because i do it for future generations
2632.892011	00:43:53	"trans mountain is a legal fiction/I disagreee/its a legal fiction/its not...
2729.0485712729.048571""...nobody trusts the national energy board..."
2891.69408	00:48:12	"primary interest is in profit
3012.7773013012.777301""reclamation activities will be scheduled to adhere to the"
3156.475221	00:52:36	there's all this hedging/I know
3275.526144	00:54:36	"they live in the community...does Ian Anderson live in the community?/no...
3277.4266883277.426688
3305.4023683305.402368""they depend on their employees to tell them whether its dangerous or not"
3459.962197	00:57:40	federal law is number one, provincial law is number two and municipal law is number 3
3491.927381	00:58:12	they're pretty strict on following the law
3513.99936	00:58:34	but if you also are aware of the standards an oil company is held to vs a forestry company
3572.528469	00:59:33	you know somebody walking on a trail and throwing a cigarette can put a fire on the mountain
3604.108629	01:00:04	I know there hasn't been a lot of discussion with the city of burnaby...
3682.735445	01:01:23	no talking
3722.242731	01:02:02	talking
3731.756373	01:02:12	"transmountain will meet or exceed expectations outlined...where prac
3754.9909333754.990933""the national energy board act permits you to basically do anything, if you read the act/ ok, that's one way of looking at it"
3797.330603	01:03:17	if we need to get a permit we will get it but if its not necessary
3804.550485	01:03:25	what to you think the purpose of municipal permits is/there's a lot of permits...there's safety...
3883.395755	01:04:43	no talking
4028.880213	01:07:09	we are living in a seismic zone, yes
4033.08544	01:07:13	what if drilling causes an earthquake?/I haven't heard that one before
4050.709163	01:07:31	do you know where the fault lines are?/I don't personally know
4081.889963	01:08:02	does somebody know what will happen if there's an earthquake"/we have mitigation plans, we can't overlook that option given where we live
4110.133931	01:08:30	"and we're not saying that nobody knows...
4125.0106034125.010603""somebody does know"
4128.615083	01:08:49	there's a lot at risk here/abosolutely, there are a lot of people in that area
4188.296533	01:09:48	if there's a fire at the tank farm the whole mountain would burn/absolutely
4298.902869	01:11:39	I know how much violence they're willing to use/and we...we're doing everything in our power so it doesn't come to that, but at the end of the day...
4345.531051	01:12:26	"but you know that violence and force will be used.../we can't comment on that either
4401.7718614401.771861no talking
4532.1912324532.191232[from 2015 BFD tactical risk analysis] "" the average tank distance to fenceline in tank diameters is reduced by 61%/I'm not sure where they got that number    "
4553.244672	01:15:53	what's the average distance between the tanks?/don't have the exact numbers on me at this time, but we meet the standards and the codes for nfpa 24 and nfpa 11 we also meet the csa standards for the tank berms
4694.125227	01:18:14	there's less room for firefighters to deploy if there's failure/oh no, no its designed so the firefighters can get in there with all the fire trucks and fire equipment
4786.741248	01:19:47	but you wouldn't be doing it if it weren't for money/its always, of course its always about money.../why not just not do it/its part of bussiness/...there are 30,000 people who could get trapped on a burning mountain
4804.749995	01:20:05	is kinder morgan gonna pay for funerals if there's a catastrophic failure/there's insurance coverage
4891.394048	01:21:31	so there'd be fire, there'd be smoke, we would make an effort to put it out
4910.536021	01:21:51	probable at all means there's 30,000 people stuck on the mountain with no where to go
4918.31296	01:21:58	well why would you say there's no where to go?
4932.102827	01:22:12	senior existing vp...??
4951.57248	01:22:32	part of the risk assesment looks at the heat from a full surface fire...the university wouldn't be affected by that
4966.443691	01:22:46	that's the city's report and the city's report doesn't talk about potential consequences...it doesn't talk about probabilities or potential consequences/it does talk about it...
4981.544277	01:23:02	"the city has their study
4990.4134834990.413483""my question is who is responsible if there's a catastrophic failure to the families who will lose their children,I don't know how else to put it/that's a very inflammatory sort of question/well it is, its meant to be
5013.5913815013.591381there's civil liability, um, there's all the court process, we have insurance...how the world works...just like if you drive a car and you run into somebody you're responsible for having done it, its the same for us operating a pipeline for having done it, that's how it works
5032.4220595032.422059we're responsible for all the things we're legally responsible for
5058.9422935058.942293""there's risks involved in all human endeavors "
5093.021013	01:24:53	the province has actually approved the project.../which government was that?/the provincial government/which/well there's only one provincial government
5102.611115	01:25:03	was it the liberal government or the ndp government?/so as you know it was when...the liberal party was the majority of government"
5117.968384	01:25:18	"the current provincial government has not approved the project i take it/well they haven't revoked the approvals...
5155.5368965155.536896You're the VP of Operations
5166.6561715166.656171""part of my job is to make sure that its not a massive risk to public safety "
5197.941419	01:26:38	\
5197.941419	01:26:38	you asked me about liability.../you obviously assumed it was economic liability, I'm asking whose socially or morally responsible/you know what i know we won't come to any agreement...
5232.241323	01:27:12	no talking
5287.531861	01:28:08	"how will you get 400 tankers a year through second narrows for example and through the harbour while all the other traffic is happening/well its like air traffic control...
5324.4887045324.488704could be up to 34 [tankers a month], could be
5346.0882775346.088277""there was a dock master at one of the hearings he said 'I don't see how this is physically possible'/but it is physically possible, in actual fact our contribution is 14%..."
5427.008853	01:30:27	...and then someone is piloting the tanker/correct/but what if the pilot is drunk/the pilot won't be drunk
5433.786368	01:30:34	Exxon Valdez the pilot was drunk/but that was however many years ago a lot of lessons have be learned from that
5470.268075	01:31:10	what if there's a situation like with the deepwater horizon where kinder morgan simply chooses not to maintain its vessels/but they aren't our vessels actually
5512.811861	01:31:53	I keep getting back to human error or human failure or human negligence/I think you have to have more faith
5546.945195	01:32:27	we're not going to talk about that report any more we've talked an enormous amount about that report
5634.075307	01:33:54	no talking
5801.713664	01:36:42
5855.248043	01:37:35	[informing the community about 2009 spill]...it was done it just wasn't done as timely as we should have
5862.958421	01:37:43	how much capital is available for emergency response?/if there's an incident, we do what we need to...
5967.773696	01:39:28	so industry has to learn, as to do the neighbors have to learn actually, how to coexist together
6033.73568	01:40:34	"So I'm just think of climate change, so scientists are saying that for example the tar sands are not compatible with dealing with climate change in a serious manner/some are some aren't, there's a debatable opinion...
6172.1204056172.120405""no one's debating climate chnage but i think what we're putting forward here is canadian development.../but why.../ because we do this well and we do this responibly/but that doesn't mean it should be done
6207.9030616207.903061""but this is all assuming we should be doing this in the first place/ok but the fact is that we do it and we do it well and we're accountable for it...  "
6225.286485	01:43:45	being good at doing a bad plan isn't good/but its doing something very well
6265.618432	01:44:26	"no other pipeline's ever had to buy 30 million dollars worth of carbon offsets/so you're just paying your way out/but we're growing the clean tech ability in doing that/with tar sands?/that's what an offset is right?...where would 30 million dollars come from
6289.8667526289.866752but its not a lot of money for transmountain/it is a lot of money
6299.6916916299.691691so you're taking 30 million dollars from 7 billion dollars/30 million dollars that wasn't there when we first got through the approval stage, it is a lot of money, its a lot of money
6324.5298356324.529835""imagine going to your shareholders and your funders...and everyone'd be like 'well that's not pipeline bussiness' well it is now in canada for the first time ever
6336.3549876336.354987""the pipeline's gonna go ahead and we might launch a new technology that would take away the need for oil down the road"
6345.654272	01:45:46	we can make things without oil, we're not going to die if we don't have oil/where's the money come from? how can we invest without the money/well you seem to have 7 billion dollars/because its predicated on delivering oil in a pipeline at the end of project
6499.023438	01:48:19	[remainder a discussion on police violence]