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  1. *Previous conversation about rent prices and income relating to such, handwaved because of personal info*
  2. [8:54:55 PM] Nexxus: Shit like this is why gentrification is a bad thing, and why so many youth are becoming homeless.
  3. [8:55:18 PM] Nexxus: We're being prices out of existstance by the pathetic neoliberal economic way of thinking.
  4. [8:55:44 PM | Edited 8:55:46 PM] Nexxus: Trickle down economics is the biggest political and economic lie ever conceived, apart from the whole fucking system itself.
  5. [8:56:53 PM] Nexxus: Here's how trickle-down economics works.
  6. 1, Rich people have a lot of money.
  7. 2. It "trickles down" into offshore banks in Panama and such.
  8. 3. Schools and hospitals close because of low tax participation.
  9. [8:57:51 PM] Nexxus: You know what the problem is?
  10. [8:58:19 PM] Nexxus: The more money you have, the exponentially easier it is to make exponentially more money through the broken ecomnomic system.
  11. [8:58:30 PM] Nexxus: It's so top heavy it really should be toppling down by now.
  12. [8:58:33 PM] Sherms: Indeed, [COUNTY] is really bad at it as well. An area of [COU7NTY] called [TOWN 1] isn't the nicest place in the world, almost all people on low income, and Woking council's (conservative controlled) solution is to spend £3 billion of [COUNTY] resident's council tax to build affordable housing in [TOWN 2], about 10 miles away, and then redevelop [TOWN 1], which will out price all current residents
  13. [9:00:34 PM | Edited 9:00:45 PM] Nexxus: I mean, you don't make a massive concrete pyramid on top of one vertical Jenga block IRL, but the economic system does, and it makes you think how such a convoluted clusterfuck of batshit insanity could ever be conceived by a conscious, sane and living human being.
  14. [9:01:47 PM] Sherms: Indeed, but most people don't think of it that way because they're told that the problem are the migrants, the benefit cheats, not the people dodging the taxes at the top
  15. [9:02:57 PM] Nexxus: Indeed, because the people dodging the taxes at the top own all the media, which people unilaterally trust without realising who's behind it. Thanks to the MSM oligarchs, our media is free from government intervention, but in bias it's pretty much no different from North Korea.
  16. [9:05:02 PM] Sherms: Yeah, such a broken system people refuse to accept is broken just because it's not controlled by the government, as we're told under the name of liberty if you're not under the mercy of an oppressive government you're free
  17. [9:07:32 PM] Sherms: Case in point, http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/E3CC/production/_91961385_expresscopy.jpg
  18. [9:08:19 PM] Nexxus: Fuck the Express...
  19. [9:08:21 PM] Nexxus: ALso
  20. [9:10:10 PM] Nexxus: Corporations have a governance structure, therefore are a form of government. Considering in many places corporations are non-biological people with civil, corporate and political rights, you could say that the worlds biggest corporations are an oligarchist global government of sorts. Especially with shit like the Trans Pacific Partnership and the Trans-Atlantic free trade deal.
  21. [9:11:39 PM] Nexxus: In truth, I dare say that unbridled privatisation of state-owned enterprise and also unfetterd deregulation of all the free market has put us into this shitty state of post-capitalism.
  22. [9:12:21 PM] Nexxus: Capitalism is dying, fast. It's only a matter of time before the shit hits the fan and the nukes hit the ground.
  23. [9:13:34 PM | Edited 9:13:54 PM] Sherms: "Yeah, but the Daily Mail told me that this women I never heard of before can't speak English and comes from Blackistanu but lives in a rocket ship in orbit paid for by the English tax payer, and I heard Jeremy Corbyn had something to do with it, is that not more important that we stop the Scottish taking the piss like that and just bomb Islamistan because that's where terrorist come from? That's what the Princess Diana would do if she was Queen"
  24. [9:14:33 PM | Edited 9:14:39 PM] Nexxus: Is that a legit, honest-to-god comment on some internet forum? If so, I really hope they're trolling and laughing their asses off, otherwise we're fucking done...
  25. [9:15:37 PM] Nexxus: Funny thing is, the headlines and shit in the world media have become sop outlandish that I can't tell the difference between news and satire.
  26. [9:15:57 PM] Sherms: No, thought of that myself based on some of the crap you do see on facebook and twitter on stuff like the Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Scum and Britain First
  27. [9:16:04 PM] Nexxus: True.
  28. [9:16:10 PM] Nexxus: Fucking hell, I honestly thought I was on the Onion once, but I was reading the Daily Mail.
  29. [9:16:20 PM] Nexxus: Even worse, IT WAS A SPORTS ARTICLE.
  30. [9:16:30 PM | Edited 9:16:43 PM] Nexxus: IMAGINE THE POLITICS STUFF!
  31. [9:16:58 PM] Nexxus: But seriously.
  32. [9:17:13 PM] Nexxus: Entertainment and news should be as far apart as possible.
  33. [9:17:31 PM] Sherms: I occasionally go on those tabloids just to laugh at the crap they come up with
  34. [9:18:12 PM | Edited 9:18:27 PM] Nexxus: Also, isn't it fucking convenient how when a majopr world shaking event happens, Kim Kardashian gets robbed, or Justin Beiber gets caught smoking dope, or One Direction breaks up, or Brangelina divorce or some shit like that...
  35. [9:19:04 PM] Nexxus: Celebrities should be nothing but sideshows for movie TV shows and shit, but they're all over the MSM.
  36. [9:19:57 PM | Edited 9:20:05 PM] Nexxus: They're meant to be filler, but when some major world shaking event happens that the MSM oligarchs thing doesn't help their world conquering ambitions, they sideline it with Kardashian butt implant rumours or some shit.
  37. [9:20:45 PM] Sherms: I wouldn't say it's convinient, the tabloids track those people are famous for who they slept with every second, so i'm not surprised I don't hear more about what sandwich David Beckham makes at 3am
  38. [9:22:52 PM | Edited 9:23:25 PM] Nexxus: The convenient bit is sarcasm related to word shaking events (those that help us lefties anyway) being sidelined by celebrity news almost every time it happens. I thought you'd get that. lol
  39. [9:24:00 PM] Sherms: It's not entirely untrue though is it?
  40. [9:24:16 PM] Nexxus: No, it's not.
  41. [9:25:02 PM | Edited 9:25:13 PM] Nexxus: But why do that? These people's lives don't matter in any other way outside the entertainment industry... Why the fuck should we give a fuck?
  42. [9:25:37 PM] Sherms: Because humans are a sucker for drama, why do you think soaps are so popular?
  43. [9:26:42 PM | Edited 9:27:40 PM] Nexxus: True. Why do you think YouTube Drama is so prevalent and Keemstar is so popular with DramaAlert.
  44. [9:26:49 PM | Removed 9:27:31 PM] Nexxus: This message has been removed.
  45. [9:27:52 PM] Sherms: Haha, but that's the world we live in, people care so little about their own lives because they're more worried about what's happening in other people's lives, even the fictional ones
  46. [9:27:59 PM] Nexxus: Indeed.
  47. [9:28:19 PM] Nexxus: Why do you think so many people ate part of book, TV and movie fandoms.
  48. [9:29:14 PM] Nexxus: Twihards, Potterheads, Homestuckers, Whatever you call Hunger Games and Divergent fans. Fuck, even the furry fandom has more care directed at it than most others.
  49. [9:29:46 PM] Sherms: Because who cares about your boring as office job when Sammie doesn't know that the baby she gave birth to isn't even hers!
  50. [9:29:53 PM] Nexxus: Yep.
  51. [9:29:58 PM] Nexxus: Shameful, really.
  52. [9:30:29 PM] Nexxus: Like, who gives a fuck what people on a fictional Melbourne suburban street are doing?
  53. [9:31:02 PM] Nexxus: Like, come on... Ramsay Street is a just a fucking TV set...
  54. [9:31:22 PM] Sherms: Exactly, feeding the cat has shit loads more importance in your life then that crap
  55. [9:31:29 PM] Nexxus: Yup.
  56. [9:31:40 PM] Nexxus: At least the cat will show some sort of reaction back.
  57. *Conversation turns to animals and steers away from politics and to the following.*
  58. [9:38:33 PM] Sherms: Although to swing things around a bit more abruptly, the Battle for Mosul is going on right now with Kurds and Iraqi forces surprisingly cooperative and making good gains because of it
  59. [9:39:05 PM] Nexxus: Huh. Hopefully they can start dismantling ISIS from there.
  60. [9:39:55 PM | Edited 9:40:07 PM] Nexxus: At least the Kurds and Iraqis put their differences aside to combat a larger enemy. Something I doubt the west will even think about...
  61. [9:41:33 PM] Sherms: Just have to look at Syria to see what happens when they don't cooperate, Kurds attacking Daesh, Government attacking Daesh and Rebel, Russia attacking Daesh and Rebel, Turkey attacking Kurdish and Daesh, Rebel attacking basically anyone, bit of a shit show
  62. [9:42:23 PM] Nexxus: Funny thing is, people don't realise declaring unilateral war against ISIS effectively legitimizes them as a functioning nation state, as war can only be declared on nation-states. Yet the current method of flagging it as a terrorist takedown doesn't seem to be working, but it won't because as you just mentioned, it's a fucking shitshow.
  63. [9:43:48 PM | Edited 9:43:52 PM] Nexxus: And we can't just fucking rain nukes of fire on the place like 50% of the fucking world wants to do, because we'll kill billions of innocents, and then they defend by saying "No Muslim is innocent" at which point I just politely call them a bigot who cannot be reasoned with and leave.
  64. [9:45:21 PM] Nexxus: Saying shit like that is the literal definition of bigotry, yet the right says it's merely a safe word for liberals to delegitimise all right wing thinking and shut down debate. Yes, it is like that in the hands of SJWs, which most of us liberals thing are too extreme for us, yet the cons think we're all that fucked up.
  65. [9:46:16 PM] Nexxus: And I can definitely say that a lot of conservatives are not far-right, there are less right conservatives who hate the far right ones, and visa versa for the left. We're both at fault here.
  66. [9:46:28 PM] Nexxus: Political polarization, past, present and future.
  67. [9:47:33 PM | Edited 9:47:39 PM] Sherms: Indeed, we act as if it's one or the other and not the spectrum it actually is
  68. [9:47:34 PM] Nexxus: Past: I'm on one side and you're on the other. Let's meet in the centre!
  69. Present: I'm on one side and you're on the other. You're totally fucking ignorant and wrong, I will never agree with you.
  70. Future: I'm on one side and you're on the other. Time to die, heathen!
  71. [9:47:41 PM] Nexxus: And yeah, you are right.
  72. [9:48:48 PM] Sherms: You just need to show a political compass of individual politicians within the same party to show how they can all differ despite being in one party
  73. [9:49:08 PM] Sherms: Case in point, https://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries2016.png
  74. [9:49:37 PM] Nexxus: Indeed.
  75. [9:49:57 PM] Nexxus: Speaking of compasses, this is mine.
  76. https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-9.5&soc=-8.15
  77. [9:50:14 PM] Sherms: COMMIE!
  78. [9:50:24 PM] Nexxus: lol
  79. [9:50:39 PM] Nexxus: I always said I was far-far-far left. heh
  80. [9:51:45 PM] Sherms: I haven't done a political compass for best part of a year now, I think I did one a little while before the EU ref
  81. [9:52:45 PM] Sherms: I have 2, one from 7 months ago and one from 5 months ago with quite the shift between them
  82. [9:52:56 PM] Nexxus: Aye.
  83. [9:53:59 PM] Sherms: 7 months ago, https://www.dropbox.com/s/bqtlflbysp7pkxw/chart.png?dl=0
  84. [9:54:21 PM] Sherms: 5 months ago, https://www.dropbox.com/s/1rr76pbnkyjdrmf/chart%20alt.png?dl=0[9:38:33 PM] Sherms: Although to swing things around a bit more abruptly, the Battle for Mosul is going on right now with Kurds and Iraqi forces surprisingly cooperative and making good gains because of it
  85. [9:39:05 PM] Nexxus: Huh. Hopefully they can start dismantling ISIS from there.
  86. [9:39:55 PM | Edited 9:40:07 PM] Nexxus: At least the Kurds and Iraqis put their differences aside to combat a larger enemy. Something I doubt the west will even think about...
  87. [9:41:33 PM] Sherms: Just have to look at Syria to see what happens when they don't cooperate, Kurds attacking Daesh, Government attacking Daesh and Rebel, Russia attacking Daesh and Rebel, Turkey attacking Kurdish and Daesh, Rebel attacking basically anyone, bit of a shit show
  88. [9:42:23 PM] Nexxus: Funny thing is, people don't realise declaring unilateral war against ISIS effectively legitimizes them as a functioning nation state, as war can only be declared on nation-states. Yet the current method of flagging it as a terrorist takedown doesn't seem to be working, but it won't because as you just mentioned, it's a fucking shitshow.
  89. [9:43:48 PM | Edited 9:43:52 PM] Nexxus: And we can't just fucking rain nukes of fire on the place like 50% of the fucking world wants to do, because we'll kill billions of innocents, and then they defend by saying "No Muslim is innocent" at which point I just politely call them a bigot who cannot be reasoned with and leave.
  90. [9:45:21 PM] Nexxus: Saying shit like that is the literal definition of bigotry, yet the right says it's merely a safe word for liberals to delegitimise all right wing thinking and shut down debate. Yes, it is like that in the hands of SJWs, which most of us liberals thing are too extreme for us, yet the cons think we're all that fucked up.
  91. [9:46:16 PM] Nexxus: And I can definitely say that a lot of conservatives are not far-right, there are less right conservatives who hate the far right ones, and visa versa for the left. We're both at fault here.
  92. [9:46:28 PM] Nexxus: Political polarization, past, present and future.
  93. [9:47:33 PM | Edited 9:47:39 PM] Sherms: Indeed, we act as if it's one or the other and not the spectrum it actually is
  94. [9:47:34 PM] Nexxus: Past: I'm on one side and you're on the other. Let's meet in the centre!
  95. Present: I'm on one side and you're on the other. You're totally fucking ignorant and wrong, I will never agree with you.
  96. Future: I'm on one side and you're on the other. Time to die, heathen!
  97. [9:47:41 PM] Nexxus: And yeah, you are right.
  98. [9:48:48 PM] Sherms: You just need to show a political compass of individual politicians within the same party to show how they can all differ despite being in one party
  99. [9:49:08 PM] Sherms: Case in point, https://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries2016.png
  100. [9:49:37 PM] Nexxus: Indeed.
  101. *Political compass sharing ensues, then I link to Football Manager 2017 simulating Brexit*
  102. [10:07:51 PM] Nexxus: HOLY SHIT
  103. [10:07:59 PM] Nexxus: HOLY MOTHER OF GOD
  104. [10:08:13 PM] Nexxus: HOLY MOTHERFUCKING SHITTY MOTHER OF FUCKING GOD
  105. [10:08:20 PM] Sherms: Ha!
  106. [10:09:40 PM] Sherms: Will there be a Brexit tick box? :D
  107. [10:09:51 PM] Nexxus: I hope there is.
  108. [10:11:17 PM] Sherms: Even has Scotland leaving the UK
  109. [10:12:45 PM] Sherms: Well, that sounds eventful... Definitely ain't gonna play in the UK now
  110. [10:14:31 PM] Sherms: Imagine trying to play in the Premier League with Hard Brexit
  111. [10:17:26 PM] Nexxus: Indeed.
  112. [10:18:38 PM] Sherms: So yeah, fuck the UK, I'm gonna go with MLS and Denmark it seems
  113. [10:18:43 PM] Sherms: And mods of course
  114. [10:18:47 PM] Nexxus: Yep.
  115. [10:19:05 PM] Nexxus: Hopefully Brexit will be moddable so as to make it not happen. haha
  116. [10:20:10 PM] Sherms: Based on the article it sounds like there is a chance that it won't happen, so perhaps you just have to make a mod that adjusts the likelihood to 100%
  117. [10:20:17 PM] Nexxus: Indeed.
  118. [10:21:12 PM] Sherms: Although an annoying mechanic in a sense it also cool to see how those 100 year simulations everyone makes goes
  119. [10:21:19 PM] Nexxus: Indeed.
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