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#13394165 Aug 13, 2017 at 07:53 PM · Edited 3 days ago

Sigu
Raider
269 Posts
Add a fury to the guardian packs in AQ40. Have fury be on cross. tank on skull. tank2 on square+moon. tank3 on diamond+ triangle. would help a lot with this mess:
https://youtu.be/gg8dqTIOMX8?t=447

Ixl dying:
https://youtu.be/gg8dqTIOMX8?t=632

^i highly suggest having last stand + major healing potion + tuber/healthstone ready for these kind of situations. I have used it plenty of times to save my ass because the one that knows when healing is CRUCIAL is the tank himself. So for instance when flying here for 3 sec with 1/2 hp actions should be made. I use this macro often:

/use Major Healing Potion
/use Major Healthstone
/use Whipper Root Tubber




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#13395028 Aug 14, 2017 at 11:26 AM

Sceto
Council
151 Posts
#13394165 Sigu wrote:


/use Major Healing Potion
/use Major Healthstone
/use Whipper Root Tubber




afaik you need to use the tuber before the healing potion, or you cant use it anymore

/use Whipper Root Tubber
/use Major Healthstone
/use Major Healing Potion

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#13397410 Aug 16, 2017 at 02:51 AM · Edited 21 hours ago

Ixl
Council
111 Posts
For the fury on cross part, I agree, especially in a speedrun.

For the actions to be made, not sure if it's a joke or a sarcastic comment.
Check my hp when I fly, and before I fly, you will see that I'm at about 3k5 health tops, from 12k+ with flask. means at 30% tops 35%.

I took fall damage for more than twice my current hp, not sure if 6.7K or 6.9K, I forgot the exact number, but I'm more sure than you with your macro, that this damage with this HP pool and damage already taken, beside a healer actually healing you, nothing saves you.
As a tank, generally in a speedrun, your potions are in cooldown on all fights, and it's mostly for rage pots 90% the time.

To resume, the main issue here is the multiple knockbacks on tanks completely uncontrollable even if the tank (generaly the skull cross tank) is exactly on the wall with his back due to the fact of the speed we kill those all together almost at the same time in a hand of seconds resulting in a possible sigucasm (multiple busllshit knockbacks in repetition) on the first tank.

Thanks for your feedback thought, appreciate the idea for the fury part


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#13397716 Aug 16, 2017 at 08:41 AM · Edited 6 hours ago

Sigu
Raider
269 Posts
If you use last stand you go from to 4800 + 20 %*11000 = 7000 hp and your max hp goes to 11000*20 % =13200.

Lets say the fall damage was 6900. The % fall damage you take from the "jump" will then be: 6900/11000=62,7 %. if you were to take the fall damage (after actually doing something not just hoping healers have you) you would take 62,7*13200=8274 damage from fall damage.

This would leave you with 7000-8274 = -1274 hp.

Fixed it fyi

Edited Ixl (ls don't save you)



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#13397794 Aug 16, 2017 at 09:58 AM

Madhatter
Raider
172 Posts
#13397716 Sigu wrote:

You are at 4.8k and your max is somewhere around 10k lets be generous and say your max hp is 11k. you said you lost 6.7 or 6.9 k (which i think is pushing it in the tunnel you rarely take more than 50 % from fall damage but whatevel.)



Speculating gets us nowhere, other than at eachothers' throats. Let's just check the numbers next time a tank plays Katherine Heigl (get's Knocked Up, yo. 10-year-old reference for a 13-year-old game)

Something Ixl points out is also that skull and cross gets killed in succession, so the 1st tank gets knocked twice quickly, that is something we can remedy without health pots and healer attention.

Also I would prefer not having a prepared strategy to be using a 10 min cd Last Stand. Especially in speed runs.
RIP | CouncilHatter | 24/3/16 - 27/3/16
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#13397799 Aug 16, 2017 at 10:03 AM · Edited 14 hours ago

Sigu
Raider
269 Posts
Check my first post madhatter please. that is my first suggestion. But i am also suggesting that if you end up flying you use something not just fly for 3 sec and "embrace" death. It's not a prepared strategy it's just using the tools you have available as a tank, and especially in a speedrun. The post was also meant as a suggestion, but since Ixl thought it was a joke i ellaborated on my suggestion.



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#13397848 Aug 16, 2017 at 10:56 AM

Madhatter
Raider
172 Posts
hahah shit, yeah, i read the first post back when you wrote it, completely forgot about that, my bad :D
RIP | CouncilHatter | 24/3/16 - 27/3/16
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#13398109 Aug 16, 2017 at 02:27 PM

Kamisayo
Raider
135 Posts
I have to agree with Sigu that it looked like a preventable death.

Around the moment Ixl dies, Dozzy takes 2039 fall damage from 5040 max HP, which is around 41-42%, although it looks like Dozzy hits the ceiling in the center part of the tunnel and may therefore not have suffered a fall from the same height as Ixl did. Earlier in the video (10:13) we see Subtx go from missing 2.007 HP to missing 5.636 HP from a fall just around the corner before the tunnel where Ixl died. Subtx thereby loses 3.629 HP from his total HP pool of 8.339, aka 43% of his max HP.

You can see from Dozzy's raid frames that Ixl was missing 5.910 HP at the time of death (10:54 in Dozzy's video), and from his target frames that Ixl had 4.882 HP left, meaning his max HP was 10.792 and that he was at 45% of max HP. We don't know exactly what percentage of HP his fall would take, but it seems likely that just one HP cooldown (HS/Pot/Last Stand) would have saved him, and as Sigu concludes that even just Last Stand + HS certainly would have.

An even easier way to counter this is if tanks make sure to have potion CD ready for a LIP just for these knock-up packs. That would eliminate all chances of dying to fall damage.

Just to throw my own personal agenda into this, I feel this is a symptom of the "I make no mistakes" disease that plagues this guild, where everyone is afraid to admit their own mistakes. It seems disingenuous for Ixl to dismiss Sigu's (supposedly well meant) suggestion as a joke, and to claim that he had "tops" 3.5K/12K HP (29%) when the video shows he in fact had 4.9K/10.8K HP (45%). Admitting mistakes can be painful, but it is a pain that is necessary for growth as a player and for the health of this guild.
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#13398170 Aug 16, 2017 at 03:10 PM

Rik
Officer
554 Posts
Kamisayo, the Wise

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#13398394 Aug 16, 2017 at 05:27 PM · Edited 6 hours ago

Ixl
Council
111 Posts
kamisayo, thanks for your input.

I'm the first one who did mistakes in the last AQ 40, and the first one to blame, especially on ouro and those trash.
Kinda disagree in the fact of this "I do not mistakes" simply because I do a shit ton, and try to resolve them, instead of pointing fingers.

I do generally have different panic buttons in heavy threat gear, the LIP idea is a very good one, trash are dying so fast in a speedrun, it's the best stuff I can add there.

Edit: Just looked at dozzy's video, my position was good at the time T, I could have survived this triple+ knockback maybe with LS, can't really say, I just remember I actually used already a couple CD's from the start with trash and skeram, and the fall damage I took was way more than my current hp, almost the double.
It's probably because I had about 3 knockbacks at the same time that I got bumped so hardcore in the air thought.

Edited sigu's post, LS don't save you from this fall damage.
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#13398437 Aug 16, 2017 at 05:59 PM · Edited 6 hours ago

Sigu
Raider
269 Posts
Plz qoute me instead of removing what i wrote and alter my calculations. As in please turn back my post.

Ixl how come your potion is not on cd when kamisayo suggests LIP but it's on cd when i suggest major healing potion? It shouldn't matter who suggest what we are all supposed to help eachother get to the best conclusions/solutions.

Ixl please believe me when i say that i only saw something that might be improved and tried to help out by giving my thoughts. I have jumped around in that tunnel plenty of times as a tank and these were the ways i dealt with it.