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- Jun 28 21:03:38 <galbiA> oh
- Jun 28 21:03:40 <galbiA> bouffalant
- Jun 28 21:03:44 <galbiA> i think it starts now
- Jun 28 21:05:51 <Bouffalant> yeah
- Jun 28 21:06:22 <galbiA> so basically this is the RU rmt workshop so if you are here to get a team rated etc
- Jun 28 21:07:43 <downfall> so can i just pastebin a team?
- Jun 28 21:08:46 <Bouffalant> yeah, lol
- Jun 28 21:08:58 <downfall> k
- Jun 28 21:08:59 <Bouffalant> doesn't seem like anyone who posted a thread is here yet
- Jun 28 21:09:03 <galbiA> maybe explain what is the point of your team, why you picked mons
- Jun 28 21:09:03 <galbiA> etc
- Jun 28 21:09:07 <galbiA> briefly
- Jun 28 21:10:11 <Shaian> oo
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- Jun 28 21:13:08 <Bouffalant> downfall u there man oo
- Jun 28 21:13:29 <downfall> y
- Jun 28 21:13:44 <downfall> give me a sec
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- Jun 28 21:18:29 <Bouffalant> but yeah, if
- Jun 28 21:18:37 <Bouffalant> anyone else has a team they want rated just post here
- Jun 28 21:18:44 <galbiA> ya
- Jun 28 21:18:45 <Bouffalant> (pbins work too for those who just joined)
- Jun 28 21:19:06 <Bouffalant> just give a bried explanation ur choices on slots, moves, etc :b
- Jun 28 21:21:05 <downfall> http://pastebin.com/wdEJicZy
- Jun 28 21:22:19 <Bouffalant> hm
- Jun 28 21:22:22 <Bouffalant> it looks pretty good
- Jun 28 21:22:23 <downfall> the biggest problem to the team is nasty plot houndoom
- Jun 28 21:22:33 <Bouffalant> yeah
- Jun 28 21:22:34 <downfall> that i see
- Jun 28 21:22:38 <downfall> ty
- Jun 28 21:22:38 <Bouffalant> doom is a pain in the butt
- Jun 28 21:22:40 <Bouffalant> for
- Jun 28 21:22:47 <Bouffalant> slower balanced teams
- Jun 28 21:22:51 <downfall> y
- Jun 28 21:23:02 <Bouffalant> you could
- Jun 28 21:23:41 <galbiA> mh you arent that incredibly weak to it tho
- Jun 28 21:24:00 <galbiA> since rhyperior takes a hit at +2 and you have 2 revenge killers
- Jun 28 21:24:03 <Bouffalant> possibly invest in spdef for gurdurr, although that's more preference than anything
- Jun 28 21:24:06 <galbiA> but i can see it doing a lot od famage
- Jun 28 21:24:07 <Bouffalant> but yeah
- Jun 28 21:24:21 <Bouffalant> it doesn't tear up your team lool
- Jun 28 21:24:28 <Bouffalant> one thing id definitely
- Jun 28 21:24:29 <Bouffalant> suggest
- Jun 28 21:24:36 <galbiA> main problem is that it comes in for free on jelly and delphox
- Jun 28 21:24:52 <Bouffalant> is going focus blast over one of dgleam or uturn on melo
- Jun 28 21:24:58 <Bouffalant> (this is seperate from the doom topic obv)
- Jun 28 21:25:05 <downfall> k
- Jun 28 21:25:12 <Bouffalant> since it
- Jun 28 21:25:24 <Bouffalant> lets you do a lot more damage to steel-types like lix, zong, regi, etc
- Jun 28 21:25:27 <Bouffalant> and it hits
- Jun 28 21:25:57 <galbiA> to be honest you might struggle to break down defensive teams
- Jun 28 21:26:06 <galbiA> especially if they can deal with meleotta reliably
- Jun 28 21:26:06 <Bouffalant> scrafty as well so you're not missing too much w/o dgleam
- Jun 28 21:26:29 <galbiA> since jellicent is your only pokemon that can act as a stallbreaker
- Jun 28 21:26:35 <Bouffalant> yeah
- Jun 28 21:26:36 <galbiA> but obviously cant beat everything
- Jun 28 21:27:18 <Bouffalant> idk tbh
- Jun 28 21:27:38 <Bouffalant> im not sure if i like delphox on your team
- Jun 28 21:28:02 <Bouffalant> i mean yeah you have a second win con but like
- Jun 28 21:28:30 <Bouffalant> it also gives your team a lot more weaknesses to things like doomer
- Jun 28 21:29:18 <Bouffalant> honestly what i'd do is
- Jun 28 21:29:43 <Bouffalant> replace it with a np houndoom of your own
- Jun 28 21:30:04 <Bouffalant> and use hp water > sucker punch
- Jun 28 21:30:06 <Bouffalant> seeing as
- Jun 28 21:30:23 <Bouffalant> it 2hkos other doom unboosted and
- Jun 28 21:30:47 <Bouffalant> ohkos opposing rhyps at +2
- Jun 28 21:31:04 <Bouffalant> yeah you become a bit more weaker to offense with this change especially without sucker but
- Jun 28 21:31:35 <galbiA> what delphox does better against (cobalion mostly) is already checked on your team
- Jun 28 21:31:35 <galbiA> too
- Jun 28 21:31:37 <Bouffalant> jelli + rhyp give you a decent amount of legroom vs offense and as galbia said you have
- Jun 28 21:31:41 <Bouffalant> 2 revenge killers
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- Jun 28 21:32:23 <downfall> ok i will try houndoom over fox
- Jun 28 21:32:36 <Bouffalant> one other thing i noticed about your team is that
- Jun 28 21:32:40 <Bouffalant> it really doesn't like
- Jun 28 21:32:44 <Bouffalant> offensive grass-types
- Jun 28 21:32:48 <Bouffalant> like rotom-c and tang
- Jun 28 21:33:18 <galbiA> i was about to suggest you cm virizion over gurdurr
- Jun 28 21:33:22 <Bouffalant> yeah
- Jun 28 21:33:26 <galbiA> to solve that but it leaves you weak to sneasel
- Jun 28 21:33:28 <Bouffalant> that works p well since
- Jun 28 21:33:33 <galbiA> like
- Jun 28 21:33:36 <galbiA> VERY weak to sneasel
- Jun 28 21:33:46 <Bouffalant> viriz doesnt rly care about other grasses
- Jun 28 21:33:48 <Bouffalant> hmm
- Jun 28 21:33:51 <Bouffalant> if we go that route
- Jun 28 21:34:03 <Bouffalant> maybe we could use a diff scarfer over flygon?
- Jun 28 21:34:18 <galbiA> well just make flygon lo defog
- Jun 28 21:34:23 <galbiA> and use emboar>doom
- Jun 28 21:34:29 <galbiA> or flygon defensive defog
- Jun 28 21:34:40 <Bouffalant> hm
- Jun 28 21:34:47 <Bouffalant> yeah using emboar over doom works too
- Jun 28 21:35:46 <galbiA> so basically to sum up CM virizion>gurdurr, Flygon Becomes Offensive or defensive defog instead of scarf, scarf emboar over delphox
- Jun 28 21:35:58 <downfall> k
- Jun 28 21:36:15 <Bouffalant> yeah
- Jun 28 21:36:50 <Bouffalant> also on scarf boar if you're wondering for a last slot just use sleep talk since it does p nicely vs amoon
- Jun 28 21:37:02 <Bouffalant> ik its a lil obvious but sometimes people like to use sucker
- Jun 28 21:38:05 <galbiA> sucker helps with fletchinder and delphox i guess
- Jun 28 21:38:14 <Bouffalant> yeah
- Jun 28 21:38:25 <Bouffalant> his team covers those fairly well, though
- Jun 28 21:39:05 <downfall> spread for calm mind virizion?
- Jun 28 21:39:15 <galbiA> max speed max special attack
- Jun 28 21:39:42 <Bouffalant> also downfall is downfall ur name on smogon? just wondering for reference lool
- Jun 28 21:40:02 <downfall> no
- Jun 28 21:40:15 <downfall> its steele.
- Jun 28 21:40:19 <Bouffalant> aight
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- Jun 28 21:42:50 <Bouffalant> anyway, if anyone else wants their team rated they're free to post it here : D
- Jun 28 21:44:03 <downfall> ok, I made the changes
- Jun 28 21:44:05 <downfall> thanks
- Jun 28 21:44:19 <Bouffalant> np
- Jun 28 21:44:19 <galbiA> :)
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- Jun 28 21:46:15 <TyBfly> ?
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- Jun 28 21:46:48 <Bouffalant> tybfly if u want ur team rated u can
- Jun 28 21:46:55 <TyBfly> oh k
- Jun 28 21:46:57 <Bouffalant> just put it in a pb and then give a lil explanation
- Jun 28 21:47:10 <Bouffalant> as to how it works, move choices, etc
- Jun 28 21:47:17 <TyBfly> ok
- Jun 28 21:47:29 <TyBfly> so this is like showdown chat rooms
- Jun 28 21:48:35 <Bouffalant> in a sense, yeah
- Jun 28 21:48:36 <Bouffalant> lool
- Jun 28 21:48:53 <TyBfly> lol
- Jun 28 21:49:03 <TyBfly> oh heres my team
- Jun 28 21:49:06 <TyBfly> Blooper (Malamar) (M) @ Assault Vest Ability: Contrary EVs: 176 HP / 56 Atk / 60 Def / 216 SpD Adamant Nature - Superpower - Knock Off - Psycho Cut - Aerial Ace Green Goblin (Golbat) (M) @ Eviolite Ability: Inner Focus Shiny: Yes EVs: 228 HP / 44 Atk / 236 Def Impish Nature - Brave Bird - Super Fang - Roost - Defog Sluggish (Gastrodon) (F) @ Leftovers Abili
- Jun 28 21:49:21 <Bouffalant> tyblfy
- Jun 28 21:49:26 <Bouffalant> tybfly*
- Jun 28 21:49:32 <Bouffalant> http://pastebin.com/
- Jun 28 21:49:37 <Bouffalant> just paste your team here
- Jun 28 21:49:38 <Bouffalant> lool
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- Jun 28 21:50:26 <TyBfly> srry my internet crashed
- Jun 28 21:51:18 <Bouffalant> its fine
- Jun 28 21:51:28 <TyBfly> http://pastebin.com/z8nVUYQ2
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- Jun 28 21:52:49 <galbiA> can you explain
- Jun 28 21:52:59 <galbiA> why you picked these pokemon and the registeel set?
- Jun 28 21:53:18 <TyBfly> you mean malamar
- Jun 28 21:53:30 <galbiA> nah the registeel set
- Jun 28 21:53:32 <galbiA> the evs
- Jun 28 21:53:39 <galbiA> for example what do they do
- Jun 28 21:53:46 <TyBfly> its supposed to be a mixed tank
- Jun 28 21:54:12 <TyBfly> i just threw it on there
- Jun 28 21:54:21 <TyBfly> needed rocks
- Jun 28 21:54:25 <galbiA> do the evs do something in particular?
- Jun 28 21:54:37 <TyBfly> no
- Jun 28 21:55:11 <galbiA> http://pastebin.com/xDgfbQ0U
- Jun 28 21:55:17 <galbiA> registeel should look like this generally
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- Jun 28 21:55:35 <galbiA> tho i guess you should use mega steelix instead
- Jun 28 21:55:39 <Bouffalant> yeah
- Jun 28 21:55:52 <Bouffalant> lix is generally
- Jun 28 21:55:55 <TyBfly> ok ill try that
- Jun 28 21:55:59 <Bouffalant> better than regi in most cases
- Jun 28 21:56:12 <Bouffalant> tyblfly if u need moves / spread
- Jun 28 21:56:14 <Bouffalant> its generally
- Jun 28 21:56:23 <Bouffalant> heavy slam eq sr roar / toxic
- Jun 28 21:56:36 <TyBfly> i think roar with twave
- Jun 28 21:56:41 <TyBfly> and eq
- Jun 28 21:56:50 <galbiA> it doesnt get twave
- Jun 28 21:56:51 <Bouffalant> and you could probably go max hp max spdef, or take a little out of spdef and put it into atk if you want
- Jun 28 21:57:10 <TyBfly> registeel does
- Jun 28 21:57:25 <Bouffalant> well
- Jun 28 21:57:29 <TyBfly> but if you mean mega steelix then ok
- Jun 28 21:57:33 <Bouffalant> registeel doesnt get roar lool
- Jun 28 21:57:34 <Bouffalant> ya
- Jun 28 21:57:37 <Bouffalant> lix > regi
- Jun 28 21:57:52 <TyBfly> welp skrelp
- Jun 28 21:58:35 <TyBfly> i got rekt by a acient power tan growth. it got to 2x everything
- Jun 28 21:58:35 <Bouffalant> anyway
- Jun 28 21:58:48 <Bouffalant> your malamar set can definitely
- Jun 28 21:58:53 <Bouffalant> be improved lool
- Jun 28 21:59:01 <galbiA> also id suggest you to get rid of pinsir since you already have a choice scarf user and pinsir is pretty bad in ru
- Jun 28 21:59:01 <TyBfly> i need to fix the ariel ace
- Jun 28 21:59:04 <Bouffalant> av really isnt that good on a mon like malmar
- Jun 28 21:59:27 <TyBfly> then what should i run
- Jun 28 21:59:42 <TyBfly> av helps live a lot of hits so it can buff up
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- Jun 28 22:01:06 <Bouffalant> you should
- Jun 28 22:01:13 <Bouffalant> run superpower knock off rest sleep talk
- Jun 28 22:01:18 <Bouffalant> and use
- Jun 28 22:01:24 <TyBfly> sometimes i run facade on malamar
- Jun 28 22:01:25 <Bouffalant> a specially defensive spread
- Jun 28 22:01:58 <Bouffalant> 248 HP / 108 SpD / 152 Spe
- Jun 28 22:02:01 <Bouffalant> is generally
- Jun 28 22:02:03 <Bouffalant> the way to go
- Jun 28 22:02:13 <TyBfly> ok will try that as well
- Jun 28 22:03:02 <Bouffalant> you should probably
- Jun 28 22:03:24 <Bouffalant> replace pinsir with
- Jun 28 22:03:39 <TyBfly> nah mrs.pinch for life
- Jun 28 22:03:52 <galbiA> :o
- Jun 28 22:04:04 <galbiA> idk if you want to have a good team its probably better to get rid of pinsir
- Jun 28 22:04:08 <galbiA> :/
- Jun 28 22:04:18 <TyBfly> theres emoticons in this place
- Jun 28 22:04:25 <Bouffalant> something like rotom-c
- Jun 28 22:04:30 <Bouffalant> or generally things that can
- Jun 28 22:04:33 <galbiA> or a solid second switch in
- Jun 28 22:04:35 <galbiA> to fighting types
- Jun 28 22:04:35 <Bouffalant> err
- Jun 28 22:04:41 <TyBfly> oh i run rotor fan on my other teams
- Jun 28 22:04:45 <galbiA> since your only resist is golbat which isnt really
- Jun 28 22:04:47 <galbiA> that good
- Jun 28 22:05:01 <Bouffalant> rotom-c since it breaks things down to help dino clean late-game
- Jun 28 22:05:05 <Bouffalant> also, yeah
- Jun 28 22:05:14 <Bouffalant> golbat's kind of mediocre as a defogger
- Jun 28 22:05:29 <TyBfly> magic bounce jellicent is fun to use
- Jun 28 22:06:26 <Bouffalant> hmm
- Jun 28 22:06:33 <Bouffalant> i was thinking maybe you could go
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- Jun 28 22:07:50 <Bouffalant> defog flygon over golbat and then
- Jun 28 22:07:59 <Bouffalant> jellicent over gastrodon
- Jun 28 22:08:19 <TyBfly> oh k
- Jun 28 22:08:20 <Bouffalant> since flygon gives you a more reliable defogger
- Jun 28 22:08:24 <Bouffalant> as well as giving you some
- Jun 28 22:08:28 <Bouffalant> offensive presence
- Jun 28 22:08:37 <TyBfly> and less stealth rock damage
- Jun 28 22:08:39 <Bouffalant> and jelli has nice synergy with it + is generally
- Jun 28 22:08:55 <Bouffalant> a better bulky water than gastro since it can stallbreak nicely
- Jun 28 22:08:56 <TyBfly> eats up ice be a,s
- Jun 28 22:09:03 <TyBfly> ice beams
- Jun 28 22:09:08 <Bouffalant> this change does make you
- Jun 28 22:09:16 <Bouffalant> weaker to fighting-types, though
- Jun 28 22:09:52 <TyBfly> yeah and hitmons are everywhere
- Jun 28 22:10:46 <TyBfly> sort of like hit mans
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- Jun 28 22:13:20 <Bouffalant> hmm
- Jun 28 22:14:06 <Bouffalant> tybfly
- Jun 28 22:14:18 <Bouffalant> me and galbia were talkin and we actually think u could
- Jun 28 22:14:20 <Bouffalant> probably
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- Jun 28 22:14:25 <Bouffalant> go togetic instead of flygon
- Jun 28 22:14:33 <Bouffalant> because
- Jun 28 22:14:40 <Bouffalant> it covers up ur fighting weakness
- Jun 28 22:14:48 <Bouffalant> and u already have
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- Jun 28 22:14:52 <Bouffalant> an elec immune
- Jun 28 22:14:54 <Bouffalant> in lix
- Jun 28 22:14:59 <TyBfly> that would work
- Jun 28 22:15:10 <Bouffalant> it also gives you a nice cleric if you need it
- Jun 28 22:15:24 <TyBfly> wish. does it get wish
- Jun 28 22:15:48 <Bouffalant> yea
- Jun 28 22:15:51 <Bouffalant> but its generally
- Jun 28 22:15:56 <Bouffalant> not that good on it if you're running defog
- Jun 28 22:16:01 <TyBfly> ok
- Jun 28 22:16:13 <Bouffalant> dazzling gleam / roost / defog / heal bell or encore
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- Jun 28 22:16:17 <Bouffalant> is the best way to go
- Jun 28 22:16:24 <galbiA> bbaton pass is also good
- Jun 28 22:16:37 <TyBfly> heal bell will be a saving grace
- Jun 28 22:16:51 <Bouffalant> if you need ev spreads for any of the mons just ask
- Jun 28 22:17:07 <TyBfly> thx i will
- Jun 28 22:17:22 <Bouffalant> oh also
- Jun 28 22:17:29 <Bouffalant> you should use
- Jun 28 22:17:39 <Bouffalant> superpower over zen headbutt on tyrantrum
- Jun 28 22:17:44 <Bouffalant> since it gives you
- Jun 28 22:17:45 <TyBfly> it gets that
- Jun 28 22:17:46 <Bouffalant> better coverage
- Jun 28 22:18:22 <Bouffalant> so, your changes are
- Jun 28 22:19:02 <Bouffalant> resttalk malamar > av, togetic > golbat, jellicent > gastro, specs rotom-c > pinsir, and mega steelix over registeel
- Jun 28 22:19:05 <Bouffalant> it's a lot to take in but
- Jun 28 22:19:11 <TyBfly> yep
- Jun 28 22:19:14 <Bouffalant> it pretty much makes your team better by a large margin
- Jun 28 22:19:34 <TyBfly> ok there already done
- Jun 28 22:20:54 <Bouffalant> aight, that's p good :o
- Jun 28 22:21:07 <Bouffalant> if u have any questions just ask
- Jun 28 22:21:18 <TyBfly> :) i found the emoticons
- Jun 28 22:21:38 <Bouffalant> and if anyone else wants their team rated just link the rmt or link a pastebin if you haven't made one
- Jun 28 22:21:41 <galbiA> k im back sorry went afk a minute
- Jun 28 22:21:42 <Bouffalant> B)
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- Jun 28 22:33:47 <galbiA> are we going to end it here bouffalant?
- Jun 28 22:34:57 <Clefable> http://mibpaste.com/vQFWkq
- Jun 28 22:35:11 <Clefable> Hi, I have a team if you are still rating!
- Jun 28 22:35:28 <Clefable> I screwed that up
- Jun 28 22:35:48 <Clefable> http://mibpaste.com/oJQbaR
- Jun 28 22:35:53 <Bouffalant> uh sry i was
- Jun 28 22:35:55 <Bouffalant> afk
- Jun 28 22:37:00 <Bouffalant> clefable you should
- Jun 28 22:37:15 <Clefable> The general idea of this team is fighting spam to wear down the checks and counters to Shedinja, dark types mostly
- Jun 28 22:37:18 <Bouffalant> generally give an explanation for the mons you chose, why you chose them, etc
- Jun 28 22:37:29 <Clefable> I've laddered to like 1400 with this
- Jun 28 22:37:37 <Bouffalant> ic
- Jun 28 22:37:38 <Bouffalant> hmm
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- Jun 28 22:38:01 <Clefable> Okay, gimme a second and I'll add explanations
- Jun 28 22:38:20 <Bouffalant> aight, ill brb in 5 min
- Jun 28 22:39:10 <galbiA> :)
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- Jun 28 22:44:55 <Clefable> http://mibpaste.com/EcDIOF
- Jun 28 22:45:48 <Clefable> Oh and I forgot the explanation for Qwilfish, but it's pretty simple, he acts as a pivot and Twave slows down speedy threats so they can be dealt with by Emboar and Golurk
- Jun 28 22:46:25 <galbiA> yeah
- Jun 28 22:46:35 <Clefable> I used to run a more offensive set with Taunt but I wanted Qwilf to be a more reliable switchin
- Jun 28 22:46:39 <galbiA> ok so
- Jun 28 22:46:46 <Clefable> Plus Taunt is already on Coba
- Jun 28 22:47:01 <galbiA> let me just start by saying that i dont see much point in using shedinja in ru atm
- Jun 28 22:47:30 <galbiA> especially without xatu support
- Jun 28 22:48:11 <Clefable> You could be right, half the time I end up sacking Sheddy
- Jun 28 22:48:15 <galbiA> you are extremely weak to psychic types especially if they can hit shedinja
- Jun 28 22:48:27 <galbiA> i think that using spiritomb over shedinja
- Jun 28 22:48:29 <Clefable> But it's not that hard to keep rocks off the field
- Jun 28 22:48:32 <galbiA> would make your team a lot better
- Jun 28 22:48:34 <galbiA> to start
- Jun 28 22:48:46 <Clefable> Okay
- Jun 28 22:48:51 <Clefable> Hmm I like that
- Jun 28 22:48:56 <galbiA> you also lack reliable counterplay to stuff like jellicent
- Jun 28 22:49:10 <Clefable> Like a Dread Plate Sucker Punch variant?
- Jun 28 22:49:13 <galbiA> yes
- Jun 28 22:49:28 <galbiA> also you should get rid of cobalion for something like tangrowth to handle stuff like jellicent
- Jun 28 22:49:29 <galbiA> easily
- Jun 28 22:49:40 <Clefable> Hmm
- Jun 28 22:49:41 <galbiA> and take out golurk for a spcially defensive rhyperior for rocks
- Jun 28 22:49:51 <galbiA> or you could also use mega camerupt if you fancy so
- Jun 28 22:50:11 <galbiA> since the electric check+rocks is kind of useful
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- Jun 28 22:50:24 <galbiA> if also consider making emboar scarf
- Jun 28 22:50:25 <galbiA> after that
- Jun 28 22:50:36 <Clefable> I agree, but
- Jun 28 22:50:50 <Clefable> I run speed on Golurk to outspeed Jellicent
- Jun 28 22:50:53 <galbiA> or maybe hitmonlee choice scarf
- Jun 28 22:50:54 <Clefable> At least I think I run enough
- Jun 28 22:50:57 <galbiA> yeah but golurk is
- Jun 28 22:51:01 <galbiA> a crappy mon to say the least
- Jun 28 22:51:17 <Bouffalant> aight back
- Jun 28 22:51:22 <Bouffalant> sry was helpin out me parents
- Jun 28 22:51:28 <Clefable> fair enough
- Jun 28 22:51:36 <galbiA> reread the last few lines to get the grasp
- Jun 28 22:51:40 <galbiA> of what we were working on
- Jun 28 22:52:01 <Clefable> I'm not a fan of scarf Hitmonle
- Jun 28 22:52:05 <Bouffalant> ic
- Jun 28 22:52:21 <Bouffalant> hm
- Jun 28 22:52:30 <Bouffalant> i agree with most of galbia's suggestions, yeah
- Jun 28 22:52:36 <Clefable> I think Adamant Fist Plate + Mach Punch deals with speedy threats well enough
- Jun 28 22:52:38 <galbiA> i dont see the point of havint 2 breakers really without a way
- Jun 28 22:52:43 <galbiA> to take adavtage of
- Jun 28 22:52:46 <galbiA> scarf emboar
- Jun 28 22:52:50 <galbiA> is still strong
- Jun 28 22:52:51 <galbiA> :o
- Jun 28 22:53:19 <Bouffalant> yh i would make emboar scarf
- Jun 28 22:53:26 <Clefable> Okay
- Jun 28 22:53:31 <Bouffalant> also id put sucker punch or sleep talk
- Jun 28 22:53:35 <Bouffalant> over wisp definitely because
- Jun 28 22:53:46 <Bouffalant> getting locked into wisp isnt doin u any favors
- Jun 28 22:53:59 <Clefable> I think I was copying Zdrup's set
- Jun 28 22:54:04 <Clefable> Which may have been LO
- Jun 28 22:55:00 <Clefable> do you really think replacing Coba is the best way to go?
- Jun 28 22:55:18 <galbiA> yeah having 3 fighting types
- Jun 28 22:55:21 <galbiA> isnt really convenient
- Jun 28 22:55:22 <Bouffalant> ya
- Jun 28 22:55:24 <Clefable> I'd rather get rid of something else, he's the most reliable rocker I've used
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- Jun 28 22:55:32 <Clefable> True
- Jun 28 22:55:55 <Clefable> But tbf Hitmonlee and Coba have no shared weaknesses
- Jun 28 22:56:13 <amarillo> hello =)
- Jun 28 22:56:18 <amarillo> what team are we looking at
- Jun 28 22:56:34 <Clefable> My weird fighting spam team
- Jun 28 22:57:02 <Bouffalant> 248 HP / 108 SpD / 152 Spe
- Jun 28 22:57:04 <Bouffalant> err
- Jun 28 22:57:06 <amarillo> link?
- Jun 28 22:57:08 <Bouffalant> wrong paste lol
- Jun 28 22:57:13 <Bouffalant> http://mibpaste.com/oJQbaR
- Jun 28 22:57:15 <Bouffalant> we've made
- Jun 28 22:57:17 <Bouffalant> a lot of changes
- Jun 28 22:57:47 <Clefable> Also how is Qwilf's spread
- Jun 28 22:57:51 <Clefable> Slash set
- Jun 28 22:57:58 <Bouffalant> tomb > sheddy, rhyp > cobal, scarf > band on boar with stalk or spunch over wisp
- Jun 28 22:58:13 <amarillo> i thought qwilf usually likes more speed
- Jun 28 22:58:14 <Bouffalant> i think it's ok, running dual spikes doesnt seem that
- Jun 28 22:58:17 <Bouffalant> optimal though
- Jun 28 22:58:21 <Bouffalant> yeah u can
- Jun 28 22:58:25 <Bouffalant> run more speed if ud like
- Jun 28 22:58:29 <Clefable> Rhyp > *lurk I thiught?
- Jun 28 22:58:30 <galbiA> i like hitting
- Jun 28 22:58:31 <amarillo> but i guess its no a taunt set so speed isn't like, paramount
- Jun 28 22:58:32 <galbiA> 237
- Jun 28 22:58:36 <galbiA> on qwilf
- Jun 28 22:58:39 <galbiA> but with taunt
- Jun 28 22:58:44 <Bouffalant> oh
- Jun 28 22:58:47 <galbiA> i mean
- Jun 28 22:58:48 <Clefable> And Galbia wanted Tang > Coba
- Jun 28 22:58:49 <Bouffalant> yh rhyp over cobal, my bad
- Jun 28 22:58:55 <galbiA> tspikes +twave+scald
- Jun 28 22:59:00 <galbiA> is pretty
- Jun 28 22:59:01 <galbiA> eh
- Jun 28 22:59:13 <Clefable> Redundant sure
- Jun 28 22:59:23 <Clefable> I like Twave + Waterfall
- Jun 28 22:59:32 <galbiA> yeah
- Jun 28 22:59:35 <galbiA> get rid of scald
- Jun 28 22:59:37 <galbiA> for wfall
- Jun 28 22:59:45 <galbiA> and of tspikes for taunt in my opinion
- Jun 28 23:00:08 <Clefable> And how much speed am I running
- Jun 28 23:00:29 <Bouffalant> enough for 237, which is
- Jun 28 23:00:30 <Bouffalant> 124
- Jun 28 23:00:31 <Bouffalant> iirc
- Jun 28 23:00:33 <galbiA> yu can hit 237 for scrafty
- Jun 28 23:01:05 <Clefable> Okay
- Jun 28 23:01:25 <Clefable> What Tomb set am I running exactly
- Jun 28 23:01:34 <Clefable> I've never used tomb
- Jun 28 23:02:22 <galbiA> dread plate pursuit sucker wisp filler
- Jun 28 23:02:52 <Clefable> EVs?
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- Jun 28 23:03:32 <galbiA> max attack max hp id say
- Jun 28 23:03:55 <Bouffalant> yeah
- Jun 28 23:03:58 <Bouffalant> that generally works
- Jun 28 23:04:08 <Clefable> No creep then
- Jun 28 23:04:12 <Bouffalant> or you can run a bit of speed maybe but the bulk is usually better
- Jun 28 23:04:19 <Clefable> Gotcha
- Jun 28 23:04:20 <Bouffalant> theres not really /that/ much to creep
- Jun 28 23:04:24 <Bouffalant> with tomb
- Jun 28 23:04:32 <Clefable> Tomb doesn't have too many coverage options does he
- Jun 28 23:04:39 <Bouffalant> na
- Jun 28 23:05:15 <Clefable> So like
- Jun 28 23:05:25 <Clefable> Pain Split in 4th slot?
- Jun 28 23:05:56 <Bouffalant> taunt is probably better
- Jun 28 23:07:44 <Clefable> Okay so what was the consensus on Tangrowrh to beat Jelly
- Jun 28 23:07:56 <Clefable> I assume the LO Leaf Storm set
- Jun 28 23:08:54 <Bouffalant> you can use lo but
- Jun 28 23:09:04 <Bouffalant> specs might be better
- Jun 28 23:09:58 <Clefable> Leaf Storm / Sludge Bomb / HP Fire / ???
- Jun 28 23:10:08 <Clefable> Giga Drain, knock off?
- Jun 28 23:10:13 <Bouffalant> na
- Jun 28 23:10:31 <Bouffalant> leaf storm giga focus blast hp fire or sleep powder
- Jun 28 23:10:39 <Bouffalant> sboms
- Jun 28 23:10:45 <Bouffalant> doesnt give you a lot of coverage
- Jun 28 23:10:47 <Bouffalant> sbomb*
- Jun 28 23:10:49 <Clefable> Of forgot it got focus
- Jun 28 23:11:33 <Clefable> Wait so are we keeping TSpikes on Qwilfish
- Jun 28 23:11:48 <Clefable> I kind of like it to wear bulkier teams down
- Jun 28 23:12:13 <Clefable> If we are then HP Fire over Sleep
- Jun 28 23:12:22 <Clefable> Otherwise I think it goes the other way
- Jun 28 23:12:56 <Bouffalant> ur qwil sets usin
- Jun 28 23:13:03 <Bouffalant> taunt twave scald spikes, iirc
- Jun 28 23:13:42 <Clefable> I put Waterfall > Scald
- Jun 28 23:14:01 <Clefable> And tentatively Taunt over Tspikes
- Jun 28 23:14:07 <Bouffalant> ah
- Jun 28 23:14:12 <Bouffalant> that's good too
- Jun 28 23:14:41 <Clefable> Okay
- Jun 28 23:14:58 <Clefable> Give me a Rhyp set
- Jun 28 23:15:00 <Clefable> Is it
- Jun 28 23:15:12 <Clefable> Rocks/EQ/Rock Blast/Roar
- Jun 28 23:15:20 <Clefable> Or should I put something else
- Jun 28 23:15:32 <Bouffalant> yeah
- Jun 28 23:15:33 <Bouffalant> thats good
- Jun 28 23:15:52 <Clefable> And SpDef
- Jun 28 23:15:54 <Clefable> So like
- Jun 28 23:16:06 <Clefable> Max HP, Max SpDef?
- Jun 28 23:16:15 <Clefable> Or more Atk/Speed
- Jun 28 23:16:24 <Bouffalant> i believe
- Jun 28 23:16:42 <Bouffalant> the spread is 248 hp 16 atk 244 spd
- Jun 28 23:16:43 <Bouffalant> adamant
- Jun 28 23:17:42 <Clefable> Okay
- Jun 28 23:17:48 <Clefable> So here's my team now:
- Jun 28 23:18:24 <Clefable> http://mibpaste.com/IMSxNE
- Jun 28 23:18:37 <galbiA> solid
- Jun 28 23:18:39 <Clefable> I look a bit squishy on the special side
- Jun 28 23:18:57 <Clefable> How do I deal with say Megarupt
- Jun 28 23:19:45 <amarillo> megarupt op...
- Jun 28 23:20:19 <Bouffalant> o clefable
- Jun 28 23:20:22 <Clefable> And actually we were considering Megarupt > Rhyp
- Jun 28 23:20:23 <Bouffalant> you should probably run
- Jun 28 23:20:27 <Clefable> Which I kind of liked
- Jun 28 23:20:30 <Bouffalant> speed on
- Jun 28 23:20:31 <Bouffalant> tangrowth
- Jun 28 23:20:37 <Clefable> kk
- Jun 28 23:20:48 <Clefable> How much?
- Jun 28 23:20:49 <Bouffalant> i run 144, but at the minimum u should run enough
- Jun 28 23:20:53 <Bouffalant> to outspeed mola
- Jun 28 23:20:59 <Clefable> Mhm
- Jun 28 23:22:40 <Clefable> Okay so 136 sounds good?
- Jun 28 23:22:45 <Clefable> What does 144 outspeed
- Jun 28 23:23:07 <Bouffalant> 144 is mainly creep for me haha but it works most of the time
- Jun 28 23:23:27 <Clefable> Okay
- Jun 28 23:23:43 <Clefable> What do you think of Camerupt > Rhyperior
- Jun 28 23:23:50 <Bouffalant> hmm
- Jun 28 23:23:53 <Bouffalant> it could work
- Jun 28 23:24:03 <Bouffalant> although i feel like it doesnt really fix much of the issues on your team
- Jun 28 23:24:05 <Bouffalant> oo
- Jun 28 23:24:10 <Bouffalant> aside from
- Jun 28 23:24:18 <Bouffalant> giving you a more solid elec answer, i guess
- Jun 28 23:24:42 <Clefable> Yeah that was my thought, plus I think it has a bit higher natural special bulk
- Jun 28 23:24:52 <Bouffalant> you could try it
- Jun 28 23:25:08 <Bouffalant> oh also
- Jun 28 23:25:15 <Bouffalant> put black sludge
- Jun 28 23:25:19 <Bouffalant> over rh on qwilfish
- Jun 28 23:25:25 <Bouffalant> it appreciates the
- Jun 28 23:25:38 <Bouffalant> passive recovery more than punishing physical attackers
- Jun 28 23:25:52 <Clefable> I don't know how I feel about that
- Jun 28 23:26:10 <Clefable> I don't want Qwilf to be too passive
- Jun 28 23:26:54 <Clefable> Maybe if there was some critical 2HKO that's turned into a 3HKO
- Jun 28 23:27:14 <Clefable> But for example I've found that RH puts a lot of stuff into Mach Punch range
- Jun 28 23:27:23 <Bouffalant> eh
- Jun 28 23:27:26 <Bouffalant> yeah but
- Jun 28 23:27:41 <Bouffalant> without sludge qwil gets worn down too fast
- Jun 28 23:27:49 <Bouffalant> and spikes + potential scald burns will
- Jun 28 23:27:51 <Clefable> http://mibpaste.com/Pbfw5W How does this Megarupt set work
- Jun 28 23:27:56 <Bouffalant> put enough stuff in mach punch range anya
- Jun 28 23:27:58 <Bouffalant> y
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- Jun 28 23:27:59 <Clefable> Yeah true
- Jun 28 23:28:02 <Bouffalant> anyway*
- Jun 28 23:28:06 <Clefable> Well but I'm not running scald
- Jun 28 23:28:10 <Bouffalant> o
- Jun 28 23:28:15 <Bouffalant> i keep forgetting lmaoo
- Jun 28 23:28:22 <Bouffalant> but even then
- Jun 28 23:28:35 <Clefable> Hmm I'll consider it
- Jun 28 23:28:40 <Bouffalant> you're still gonna
- Jun 28 23:28:41 <Bouffalant> want the recovery
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- Jun 28 23:28:54 <Clefable> Maybe Pain Split > Taunt?
- Jun 28 23:29:01 <Clefable> Although that's not reliable
- Jun 28 23:29:15 <Bouffalant> yeah
- Jun 28 23:29:25 <Bouffalant> taunt also lets some mons set up / clear hazards which
- Jun 28 23:29:27 <Bouffalant> you dont want
- Jun 28 23:30:01 <Clefable> My favorite Qwilf set for UU runs Haze
- Jun 28 23:30:12 <Clefable> Although it deg doesn't fit here
- Jun 28 23:30:30 <Bouffalant> hmm
- Jun 28 23:30:48 <Clefable> Qwilf has the coolest moveset
- Jun 28 23:30:51 <Bouffalant> tbh i dunno how you can fix your camel weakness, but if you put enough offensive pressure on it
- Jun 28 23:30:58 <Bouffalant> you can handle it decently well
- Jun 28 23:31:05 <Bouffalant> also you might wanna go LO > fist plate
- Jun 28 23:31:07 <Bouffalant> on lee
- Jun 28 23:31:12 <Bouffalant> cause that gives it a lot more power
- Jun 28 23:31:47 <Clefable> TBH I haven't found it makes too much of a difference on HJK and Mach (20% vs 30%)
- Jun 28 23:32:05 <Clefable> And on Knock Off I've found faking choice makes it much more effective
- Jun 28 23:32:14 <Bouffalant> eh
- Jun 28 23:32:26 <Bouffalant> sometimes if you try to bluff the choice item it doesnt work cause ur opponent
- Jun 28 23:32:33 <Clefable> Knows the damage
- Jun 28 23:32:35 <Clefable> Yeah
- Jun 28 23:32:36 <Bouffalant> might fear the possibility of endure reversal
- Jun 28 23:32:42 <Clefable> Oh true
- Jun 28 23:33:18 <Clefable> Hmm I still think I'll keep fist plate
- Jun 28 23:33:24 <Clefable> It's won me too many games
- Jun 28 23:34:18 <Bouffalant> eh
- Jun 28 23:34:19 <Bouffalant> idk i just feel the
- Jun 28 23:34:19 <Bouffalant> lo power is really helpful
- Jun 28 23:34:20 <Clefable> I'll keep that in mind
- Jun 28 23:34:30 <Clefable> Hmm
- Jun 28 23:35:10 <Clefable> Okay so it all looks good except for bulky special attackers
- Jun 28 23:35:24 <Clefable> Maybe Seismitoad as my Rocks setter
- Jun 28 23:35:30 <Clefable> Makes a FWG core
- Jun 28 23:35:37 <Bouffalant> eh
- Jun 28 23:35:40 <Bouffalant> u already have a
- Jun 28 23:35:42 <Bouffalant> water in qwil
- Jun 28 23:36:02 <Clefable> But it can't switch into Rupt
- Jun 28 23:37:03 <Bouffalant> well
- Jun 28 23:37:05 <Bouffalant> neither can toad rly
- Jun 28 23:37:10 <Bouffalant> i mean it can take one but
- Jun 28 23:37:20 <Bouffalant> then camel just switches and does it again if you let it
- Jun 28 23:37:24 <Bouffalant> come in for free
- Jun 28 23:37:25 <Clefable> yeah
- Jun 28 23:37:33 <galbiA> well
- Jun 28 23:37:38 <galbiA> you can murder it with lee
- Jun 28 23:38:16 <galbiA> you gotta accept a slight weakness to a slow ass mon i guess
- Jun 28 23:38:18 <Clefable> Does Rhyp tank Earth Power?
- Jun 28 23:38:21 <galbiA> it wont sweep you
- Jun 28 23:38:26 <galbiA> if its not max attack
- Jun 28 23:38:27 <galbiA> yes
- Jun 28 23:38:29 <galbiA> spa*
- Jun 28 23:38:45 <Clefable> fair enough
- Jun 28 23:38:52 <Clefable> Any other glaring weaknesses?
- Jun 28 23:39:19 <Clefable> I'm kind of slow I suppose but I have some priority
- Jun 28 23:39:33 <galbiA> did you go with
- Jun 28 23:39:35 <galbiA> scarf emboar
- Jun 28 23:39:43 <Clefable> Yes
- Jun 28 23:39:55 <Clefable> And Sucker Punch, idk if that's redundant
- Jun 28 23:39:59 <galbiA> then you should be covered againt most offensive threats
- Jun 28 23:40:36 <Clefable> You know I think I have a bad Flying weakness
- Jun 28 23:40:51 <Clefable> Especially if I go with Rupt > Rhyp
- Jun 28 23:40:58 <galbiA> then dont :O
- Jun 28 23:41:01 <galbiA> n_n
- Jun 28 23:41:03 <Clefable> Although I always had that
- Jun 28 23:41:08 <galbiA> you could go lix i guesss but
- Jun 28 23:41:11 <galbiA> rhyperior is anice mon
- Jun 28 23:41:12 <Clefable> Lol Vivillion 6-0s me
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- Jun 28 23:41:31 <Clefable> True
- Jun 28 23:41:37 <Clefable> K thanks guys
- Jun 28 23:41:44 <Clefable> I'll test this out
- Jun 28 23:41:51 <galbiA> good luck!
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- Jun 28 23:42:29 <galbiA> and after this we are done! was fun, we will post a log of the whole thing in the thread if anyone want to reread and for everybody who wasnt there!
- Jun 28 23:42:30 <galbiA> bye!
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