Alright, I want to talk about what i call the Moral Imperative of Doxx'ing Nazis.

Right wing fascism spread in France, Spain, Germany, eastern europe and the southern united states for primarily two reasons: Anonymity/lack of consequences for your actions, and a legitimate perceived threat from soviet Russia.

I'll deal with the second first.

The soviets were fucking everywhere in the 20s and 30s. They had infiltrated the banks, and they legit had spies in western europe. During the spanish civil war, they basically took over the madrid government. They were completely incompetent and stalin purged the generals for good reason, but that's beyond the point. Your average middle class parisian, or german, or hungarian could reasonably point to that threat of soviet incursion and make a lesser of two evils argument for the fascists. We were less than a decade from GLORIOUS POLAND winning their only military victory in their miserable history when they stopped Trotsky. Full disclose, I'm polish, so I can say that

If you look at the rise of nazi's in germany and the fascists in france (what I'm more familiar with) what you'll see is the middle classes overwhelmingly favoring the fascists over the anarchists and soviets.

The Klan in the United States beat that Communist menace drum as hard as anyone, and used it to malign basically every other social progress movement they didn't like. Now obviously there were other reasons in the American South that the klan had implicit support that didn't exist in western europe (race) but the soviets were there. Of course the joke is the soviets weren't in the southeast becase it was a desolate shit hole but that's irrelevant.

This obviously doesn't apply to the current day united states, because there is no real leftists organization. Not to get all prester jane, but I think the DSA in the immediate future will get more and more publicity from the right wing. For the right to work, there must always be an enemy which is simultaneously an existential threat and imminently beatable blah blah blah read umberto ecco.

The other thing more relevant to us today is the anonymity and relative lack of consequence these movements operated under. In germany, for example, yeah you go out in a crowd to fight the communists, and every now and then someone gets assassinated, but for the most part these guys went to work on monday and no one knew what they'd done on the weekend. Even for your most diehard brownshirt they had families and jobs and they had some sense of anonymity. And even if they did get arrested, the one thing the proto-nazis did do right was stack the courts. They'd always get a judge to give them a slap on the wrist, while the communist would be off doing hard labor.

I am a southerner as well as a GLORIOUS , FOURTH ROME and I had at least one family member that was in the klan. The klan only worked when no one knew who the members were. Oh sure there were some more outspoken and blatant about it, including a future US senator, but your rank and file were only involved when they could do it without losing their job, or social standing, or whatever. I know we like to shit on the south in here, but you couldn't openly be in the klan in the south. It's just like being an alcoholic baptist. Everyone knows you are, but as long as you have plausible deniability, it's fine. The second you get caught passed out somewhere, then they have issues.

The klan was destroyed in the south when the fbi just started naming them. They weren't wearing sheets because of how proud they were of what they were doing, and for the most part that kind of blatant, overt racism and murder retreated into the country clubs where white people could drink their drinks and make racist jokes. This is horrible for sure, but better than it was.

We'll obviously never know what would have happened to western europe if these people had just been named, but there's a reason it's a rude question to ask someone in buenos aires why they have a french accent.

My main point is 4chan was a big reason this whole alt right bullshit got started. They could post anonymously without consequences, talk with others like them, and that they gave them a false sense of empowerment. Oh man there's so many of us and we can just talk like really mean and surely everyone else would think this way but the PC culture is keeping us down blah blah blah. Yeah we can meet them and beat the shit out of them, but fascists had their asses beat up and down western europe for most of the 30s and that didn't stop their rise. As a matter of fact, it just reinforces their persecution complex.

The way you fight them is make their actions have consequences. They all know their ideas are horrific, and when confronted with them they resort to puppet master defenses. This gets quoted a lot, but it bears repeating

https://newrepublic.com/article/139...zis-still-nazis

quote:
But Spencer doesn’t think that these Nazi salutes are the smoking gun proving that his white-nationalist movement is fascist. He texted PBS Newshour producer P.J. Tobia that they were “clearly done in a spirit of irony and exuberance.” On the program NewsOne Now, Spencer said the Nazi salute was done “in fun.”
/quote

the guy buried under simone de beauvoir posted:
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play.

They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
/quote

They know this is horseshit. None of their ideas can stand up to an ounce of scrutiny and they know it. If things get too hot they can just back down and laugh it off until they're surrounded by enough of their asshole friends to recharge their persecution complex. Then they'll charge again.

There is a massive backlash against the alt right after this weekend. They will go into hiding and lay low for a while. Just like after Berkley. Just like after Richard Spencer got run out of fucking Auburn of all places ( don't fuck with the :sec: bitch) , but it's only a matter of time before this happens again.

There have to be consequences for their actions.

Every single person that has been identified from this weekend needs to have their lives ruined. You smother this in its cradle right now. Yeah people like richard spencer are too in it to really ruin, and punching him is cool and good. But the people that would make up the rank and file need to understand that if they do this, they're becoming unemployable. They'll get kicked out of their university. They're moving back in with mom and dad. They'll never get laid again.

The nature of social media offers people on the left a historically unique opportunity to destroy this before it can get going. Yes, Trump is sympathetic to them for whatever fucking reason, but he's a dead man walking. The institutions are resisting him in a way that didn't occur in 1930s germany.

These people need to be punished. make a large enough message now, and it will resonate through the rest of this generation. Fascism isn't some cool and edgy thing. It's a destructive force that needs to be stamped out, and supporting it, even if you're doing it ironically, is reason enough to have your life ruined. Even the most lighthearted, disinterested, ironic fascism will do damage, and it's just not something that can be fucked with.

now i'd like a spicy chicken sandwich, a frostee, and some fries