[17:28] <ninethirtynine> was anyone here last night when that hoodedrat guy was here
[17:28] <SorcererSupreme> Spring break ninethirtynine?
[17:28] <Demeter> Nowhere. They couldn't fill all my shifts...
[17:28] <ninethirtynine> yeah supreme
[17:28] <SorcererSupreme> Damn that sucks Demeter
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[17:28] <gonzobot> ​ /ᐠ .ᆺ. ᐟ\ﾉ Hail Cat Lady!
[17:28] <Demeter> No. What happened ninethirtynine
[17:28] <SorcererSupreme> I'm not doing anything but relaxing, catching up on sleep and studying
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[17:28] <SorcererSupreme> Welcome CatLady
[17:28] <Demeter> It does SorcererSupreme
[17:28] <ninethirtynine> he was some guy saying he was a dimension jumper, and everything was different
[17:29] <ninethirtynine> really going off
[17:29] <Demeter> Weird
[17:29] <ninethirtynine> but for some reason, he came to an irc chat on reddit to tell his story of all places
[17:29] <SorcererSupreme> Lol I saw the username but I was headed to bed
[17:29] <ninethirtynine> idk haha some things didnt add up
[17:29] <Demeter> Might be schizophrenic
[17:29] <ninethirtynine> idk, it was interesting to say the least
[17:29] <CatLady> Hi
[17:29] <Demeter> Or manic
[17:30] <Demeter> Hey CatLady
[17:30] <ninethirtynine> i humored it, but didnt really believe what he was saying
[17:30] <CatLady> Hey
[17:30] <SorcererSupreme> People like that are interesting
[17:30] <Demeter> I've worked with people like that. That's really all you can do here.
[17:30] <ninethirtynine> yeah it was cool to pick his brain
[17:30] <ninethirtynine> even if i didnt really believe him haha
01[17:31] <@jones> I think a lot of it has to do with experience
[17:31] <Demeter> At least you entertained him
[17:31] <ninethirtynine> what do you mean jonse
[17:31] <ninethirtynine> jones
[17:31] <SorcererSupreme> Lol ninethirtynine
01[17:31] <@jones> Wake up one day and you see/experience something you've never had happen
01[17:31] <@jones> It can throw the mind for a loop
01[17:31] <@jones> And you get stuck on things
[17:31] <SorcererSupreme> My best friend of years freaked out saying that everything changed one day
[17:32] <SorcererSupreme> She explained how whenever it happens she has to just pay attention and gather details on what changed
01[17:32] <@jones> I think it's happened with me a few times but i don't dwell on it
[17:32] <SorcererSupreme> Sounds so not fun
[17:32] <ninethirtynine> i see what you are sayin jones, it just didnt add up that he "knew" so many things about the apocalypse and the way everything from gods and existance works
01[17:32] <@jones> Yeah, i think that's what I mean by....having one's mind thrown for a loop
[17:32] <ninethirtynine> but wasnt actually really able to explain much at all
01[17:32] <@jones> I've had trips like that
[17:32] <ninethirtynine> like simple questions he just didnt know
01[17:33] <@jones> psychosis, you think you know it/figure it out, but you can't elaborate on anything
[17:33] <ninethirtynine> i guess so
[17:33] <ninethirtynine> i know what you mean
01[17:33] <@jones> definitely sounds like it's mostly in their head
[17:33] <Pasta> Luhaja_Subconicous?
01[17:33] <@jones> when you claim to know these things
[17:34] <gonzobot> ・゜ ​ ゜・。。・゜゜\_ö<​ quac​k!
01[17:34] <@jones> Maybe they'll come back, i recognize the name
[17:34] <SorcererSupreme> .bang
[17:34] <gonzobot> SorcererSupreme you shot a duck in 10.021 seconds! You have killed 25 ducks in #psychic.
[17:35] <ninethirtynine> maybe idk
[17:35] <un-samadhi> isn't everything in the head?
[17:35] <ninethirtynine> there was also someone else that was kinda interesting
[17:35] <ninethirtynine> how do you pull up the last thing someone said
[17:35] <ninethirtynine> with the bot
[17:35] <Demeter> Dot seen username
[17:35] <ninethirtynine> .seen evolily
[17:35] <gonzobot> (ninethirtynine) I've never seen evolily talking in this channel.
[17:35] <ninethirtynine> fuk
[17:36] <ninethirtynine> idk
[17:36] <un-samadhi> must have jumped dimensions
[17:36] <ninethirtynine> a couple of us were like hey, you good?
[17:36] <ninethirtynine> she kept talking to herself in chat, with very vague things like
[17:36] <Demeter> I thought I saw that name too
[17:36] <ninethirtynine> "plant the seed"
[17:36] <ninethirtynine> then 20 min later "talk to her"
01[17:36] <@jones> un-samadhi yes @ in the head :)
[17:36] <ninethirtynine> "it all ends"
[17:36] <ninethirtynine> and then she said something else and then just left
[17:37] <Pasta> un-samadhi!!!  Hii
[17:37] <ninethirtynine> we were like hey who are you talking to, she said herself, then they were like you alright? and she said yeah super!
[17:37] <un-samadhi> 'allo
[17:37] <Demeter> Sorry I missed it
01[17:37] <@jones> allo un-samadhi
[17:37] <ninethirtynine> .seen evoliy
[17:37] <gonzobot> (ninethirtynine) I've never seen evoliy talking in this channel.
[17:37] <ninethirtynine> .seen evoily
[17:37] <gonzobot> (ninethirtynine) I've never seen evoily talking in this channel.
[17:37] <ninethirtynine> cant remember the exact spelling
[17:37] <Pasta> .seen evolivy
[17:37] <gonzobot> (Pasta) evolivy was last seen 14 hours and 16 seconds ago saying: No I don't wanna sit on your lap  y and talk about whatever poppy up ,daddy
01[17:38] <@jones> ha
[17:38] <Pasta> i think ive seen her before but idk where
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[17:38] <Pasta> Hi anthonyy
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[17:38] <Demeter> Hey anthonyy
[17:38] <ninethirtynine> I wasnt quite following what she was saying, it was just very vague comments to herself, like "plant the seed"  "she want to talk to you"
[17:38] <ninethirtynine> and not responding to people
[17:38] <ninethirtynine> idk
[17:39] <Anthonyy> Hey
[17:39] <Pasta> Hru Anthonyy
[17:39] <Anthonyy> Im guuud
[17:39] <ninethirtynine> un-samadhi, jones do you believe in dimension jumping stuff
[17:39] <ninethirtynine> like that guy was going on about last night
[17:40] <un-samadhi> yes, in the sense that it's metaphorical. I don't think anything else can be proven because even if you did it, who would believe you?
[17:40] <un-samadhi> you can easily argue what you perceive can be shifted by your mindset. if that's a dimension, then sure
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[17:40] <evolivy> ringing ears
[17:40] <un-samadhi> right on
[17:41] <Pasta> Hi evolivy
[17:41] <evolivy> everytime I look in the mirror I hear that down song
[17:41] <starSoda> Helo evol
[17:41] <evolivy> But it says dumb
[17:41] <evolivy> dumb did he dumb
01[17:42] <@jones> ninethirtynine in the perspective of multiverses & the idea of the law of attraction
01[17:42] <@jones> I believe it is possible for things in our subjective realities to change
01[17:42] <@jones> In order for something to manifest
[17:43] <Pasta> Madbrad200:
01[17:43] <@jones> Ie if you're in a reality, and something is going to manifest for you, but can't in the context of that reality, you might wake up in a slightly different one
[17:43] <evolivy> https://youtu.be/fWGD2Cr9StM
[17:43] <gonzobot> (evolivy) Marian Hill - Down - length 3m 22s - 149,514 likes, 2,553 dislikes (98.3%) - 9,246,342 views - TheSoundYouNeed on 2016.03.28
[17:43] <Pasta> Do you know anything about bitcoin
01[17:43] <@jones> So it can manifest
[17:43] <ninethirtynine> i believe not wholeheartedly in multiverse theory, but idk about jumping dimensions.  We have physical forms that our body adheres to, that come with laws and physics
01[17:43] <@jones> I know lots of bitcoin
[17:43] <un-samadhi> up
[17:44] <Pasta> oh how dors it work? Cause i dont get it
[17:44] <un-samadhi> and there's 444 again
01[17:44] <@jones> Pasta, how does bitcoin work you're asking?
[17:44] <SubWatch> 3Self post: "Coworker's late term pregnancy news" posted in /r/Psychic by Wispybutthair. http://redd.it/5z7z8q
[17:44] <Pasta> Yeah
[17:44] <Pasta> ^ whispy butt bair
[17:44] <Pasta> Hair*
[17:45] <un-samadhi> evolily -- tell us more
01[17:46] <@jones> pasta, other than describing it as internet money that works like cash, it's tough to explain how bitcoin works
[17:46] <un-samadhi> sorry, evolivy
01[17:46] <@jones> To get an idea it'd be helpful to watch a couple of introductory vids that tell you about it, how it's acquired, why it's benefitial, etc
01[17:47] <@jones> ninethirtynine to understand multiverse theory, it gets into higher dimensions
01[17:47] <@jones> You can hop through the fifth dimension to make it to a completely new timeline
[17:47] <ninethirtynine> but your physical body doesnt transcend dimensions
[17:48] <un-samadhi> quantum immortality baby
[17:48] <ninethirtynine> your ego/physical form is necessary for this physical plane
[17:48] <evolivy> your pregnant
[17:48] <un-samadhi> who is?
[17:48] <evolivy> ?
[17:48] <ninethirtynine> i understanding, detaching, or isolating the consciousness but you cant just transcend physics and physical planes, with a body that binds you
[17:50] <un-samadhi> depends, is the body in consciousness or is the consciousness in the body?
01[17:50] <@jones> ninethirtynine your physical body is not changing dimensions
01[17:50] <@jones> Your consciousness can
01[17:51] <@jones> Does everyone understand the difference between a plane and a dimension?
01[17:51] <@jones> Dimensions you have like, 1 through 11 or something
01[17:52] <@jones> Each increment of a dimension is like length, length and width, length/width/height
01[17:52] <@jones> So in 3d we have lengths, widths, and heights, but that's all it takes to define the space
01[17:52] <@jones> If you think about a cube
01[17:52] <@jones> it's 3D and has 6 sides
01[17:53] <@jones> Those 6 sides are 2D planes
[17:53] <un-samadhi> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Tesseract.gif
01[17:53] <@jones> So, if you were a 2D creature living on one of those 2D planes on a 3D cube, you wouldn't perceive it
01[17:53] <@jones> SO ^^^^ a tessaract, is this 4D cube
01[17:53] <@jones> with 3D "planes"
[17:54] <Pasta> my parents just bought a bread maker qq
01[17:54] <@jones> ooo bread :D
[17:54] <Demeter> I love fresh bread
01[17:54] <@jones> me too. it is amazing
[17:55] <Pasta> i wanted to make bread in the oven tho
[17:55] <Pasta> now i cant
01[17:55] <@jones> You still can :D
[17:55] <Pasta> no my mum will be like why and then force me to use breadmaker
01[17:55] <@jones> Haha aww hm
01[17:56] <@jones> Yeah that's a battle you may not want to start
[17:56] <Demeter> Mums do that.
[17:56] <ninethirtynine> why would dimensions ever change though, and also why would we percieve anything with that logic?  If we are 3d beings, why would anything beyond 3d be noticable
01[17:56] <@jones> ninethirtynine anything beyond 3d isn't noticable, at least with our eyes
[17:56] <Strawberryplums> Whatever you do plastic does not go in the oven(learned that the hard way)
01[17:56] <@jones> Why would they change? No clue
[17:56] <ninethirtynine> also samadhi what do you mean by is the body in consciousness  or the latter
[17:56] <@Artemisia> Hello how is everyone doing ?
[17:57] <ninethirtynine> and also, jones why would we notice anything then even if it was happening?
[17:57] <Demeter> Hello Artemisia
[17:57] <Strawberryplums> i have no 3D vision
[17:57] <@Artemisia> Hey Demeter, how are you?
[17:57] <Demeter> I'm good
[17:58] <@Artemisia> Good :)
01[17:58] <@jones> There is a belief about consciousness that our bodies are simply receivers, rather than the brain generating consciousness. They've done studies where they haven't been able to find where consciousness is actually happening in the brain
[17:58] <Demeter> Pasta wants to make bread in the oven, but mum just bought a bread maker
[17:58] <Pasta> huh
01[17:58] <@jones> So our brains are like a radio and we're tuned into it. Mental disorders mess up that connection
[17:58] <@Artemisia> ^ true
[17:58] <Demeter> Jones and ninethirtynine are having a philosophical conversation about 3D and 4D
01[17:59] <@jones> ninethirtynine you probably wouldn't notice it :) since you'd be jumping into a reality where your memories were slightly different
[17:59] <Demeter> That about sums it up
[17:59] <un-samadhi>  yeah, what jones said
01[17:59] <@jones> and matches up with your "new" past in said jumped dimension
[17:59] <ninethirtynine> i think conciseness isnt just the brain saying this is what i am, thats the ego.  Conciseness is just another way to say spirit or soul, just in different words.  I dont think consciousness can ever be "found" as a phsyical phenomenon.  Not physical like the body
[17:59] <un-samadhi> basically if you have a dream, you think you're a character in a dream. when you wake up, same shit
[18:00] <un-samadhi> so it can be argued that's the same thing as going to a new body from an experience based viewpoint
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[18:00] <un-samadhi> if you've ever had night terrors or an extraordinarily vivid dream, it's hard to tell the difference
[18:00] <ninethirtynine> but the consciousness is bound (physically) to the physical form but in tandem where then the ego is created
[18:01] <ninethirtynine> (not physically)*
01[18:01] <@jones> mmm yes
[18:01] <ninethirtynine> but you cant just separate the two without knowing
[18:01] <un-samadhi> sure, at this moment it might be. but it's hard to mark a delineating point between two separate experiences, say dreams
[18:01] <ninethirtynine> because the ego and physical form exist to let us experience the physical plane
[18:01] <ninethirtynine> ever had a lucid dream?
[18:02] <un-samadhi> all I know is at this moment consciousness finds this experience interesting
[18:02] <un-samadhi> Sure, right now for example ;)
01[18:02] <@jones> ^__^
[18:02] <ninethirtynine> its when your conciseness realizes that it isnt actually your ego or physical existence in this plane.
[18:02] <un-samadhi> ever had enlightenment? same thing
[18:02] <ninethirtynine> you realize that, and are able to gain consciousness in your dream
[18:02] <ninethirtynine> dreams and this arent exactly the same thing
[18:03] <ninethirtynine> "reality" isnt just a dream
[18:03] <ninethirtynine> not in the same way a dream is
01[18:03] <@jones> ..eh :D
[18:03] <un-samadhi> prove it
[18:03] <un-samadhi> Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream...
01[18:04] <@jones> Have you ever died in a dream before you knew it was a dream?
[18:05] <un-samadhi> Terrifying, right?
[18:05] <@Artemisia> I can control my dreams
[18:05] <CatLady> Lucky!
[18:05] <ninethirtynine> First, you cant prove your point, second, when the body falls asleep and you lose consciousness, your subconscious functions, you can regain consciousness.  In this reality, your consciousness is aware, you are aware.  Dreams are explainable through electrical signals that project subconsious thoughts while the body sleeps
01[18:06] <@jones> it's only terrifying until you let go :)
[18:06] <un-samadhi> or in this world, ever taken psychedelics and seen that what you perceive is quite literally your mind making stuff up?
[18:06] <un-samadhi> you can't prove your point either, ninethirtynine
01[18:06] <@jones> yayyy stalemaaate :D
[18:06] <un-samadhi> woo!
[18:06] <ninethirtynine> there is a huge difference between hallucinations and what can happen
[18:06] <ninethirtynine> for real
[18:06] <ninethirtynine> its testable not just an idea
[18:06] <un-samadhi> It's as you say
[18:06] <ninethirtynine> we know how hallucinations work
01[18:07] <@jones> We do?
[18:07] <ninethirtynine> we understand how dreams work
01[18:07] <@jones> We do?
[18:07] <ninethirtynine> yes jones
[18:07] <ninethirtynine> there is extensive research on dreams
[18:07] <un-samadhi> so you're arguing consciousness is just the sum of your parts in your brain
[18:07] <ninethirtynine> lucid dreams
[18:07] <ninethirtynine> no samadhi
[18:07] <un-samadhi> that seems to go against what you said, earlier
[18:07] <ninethirtynine> you are missing the point
01[18:08] <@jones> We miss each others' points ^_^
[18:08] <ninethirtynine> im saying dreams are a summation of electrical impulses in the brain that act with memories and the subconscious.  When you are aware it is a dream, you become conscious, and then rules dont apply to the dream you can do whatever
[18:08] <ninethirtynine> in the physical plane that we live in waking life
[18:08] <ninethirtynine> there is an ego, super ego and id
[18:09] <un-samadhi> what I'm getting at is these are inherently unproveable ideas because they are based only on the context of your experience. You can say that they're neurons firing electrical impulses, but in a dream there is just as much dream-logic that justifies meeting a two-headed man and it makes just as much sense there
01[18:09] <@jones> so, is the reality you experience not the same as a sum of electrical impulses int he brain that act with memories and the subconscious?
[18:09] <ninethirtynine> we are aware we are living
[18:09] <ninethirtynine> we are conscious in waking life
[18:09] <ninethirtynine> no it is not jones, because it boils down to super ego, ego and id
[18:10] <ninethirtynine> id is the pure form of consciousness that transcends body and ego.
01[18:10] <@jones> Isn't that Frued?
[18:10] <ninethirtynine> it is
[18:10] <ninethirtynine> but it is also
01[18:10] <@jones> That's sort of like quoting Darwin though
[18:10] <ninethirtynine> many many other's conclusions across cultures and time periodds
[18:10] <ninethirtynine> nah
01[18:10] <@jones> Yeah
01[18:10] <@jones> Frued's work wasn't perfect and neither was Darwin's
[18:10] <ninethirtynine> its like saying einsteins theories arent true
01[18:10] <@jones> They're theories
01[18:10] <@jones> That's the definition of a theory
[18:11] <ninethirtynine> because we cant "prove" it, but all evidence points to its true but its never "provable" at this point
01[18:11] <@jones> Versus a Law
[18:11] <un-samadhi> Einstein derided quantum physics as spooky action at a distance -- so sure, a few of his weren't true
[18:11] <un-samadhi> there's plenty more he was correct about
01[18:11] <@jones> Mhm ya i think those may have even been his words - spooky action at a distance
[18:11] <ninethirtynine> how do yo refute a realization that thousands of enlightened people have come to across different times, periods and cultures without any way of contacting eachother
[18:11] <ninethirtynine> how is that a thing then?
01[18:12] <@jones> What thing? sorry
[18:12] <un-samadhi> sorry? That seems pretty dreamlike to me
[18:12] <ninethirtynine> how would everyone that came to these conclusions be able to come to the same realization if it wasnt something that occurs
01[18:12] <@jones> Which conclusion?
[18:12] <ninethirtynine> across all existance
[18:12] <ninethirtynine> all cultures
[18:12] <ninethirtynine> and without communciation with eachother
01[18:12] <@jones> Yes, are you talking about spirituality?
[18:13] <ninethirtynine> the conclusion that there is a ego and an id
[18:13] <un-samadhi> are you referring to things like... farming, or how penicillin was discovered at 5~ paces around the world simultaneously?
[18:13] <un-samadhi> because those are observable phenomena with no realistic explanation
[18:13] <ninethirtynine> what ties us to this physical plane, and then the conciousness
[18:13] <ninethirtynine> thats foolish to say there is no realistic explanation
01[18:13] <@jones> So you're saying Frued took credit for a bunch of stuff that ancient cultures already figured out?
01[18:13] <@jones> Like, they had a name for id/ego?
[18:13] <ninethirtynine> thats like saying, oh everyone came to the same conclusion, lets just ignore it because its not a common conecption yet
[18:14] <ninethirtynine> no jones you are missing the point
01[18:14] <@jones> Yes I am
[18:14] <un-samadhi> It's not foolish. there is literally no scientific consensus behind why there were multiple discoveries of penicillin simultaneously, when the one we recognize in the west was literally because someone left his window open and bacteria infected a petri dish
01[18:14] <@jones> Please help me understand
[18:14] <ninethirtynine> im not saying he took credit
[18:14] <un-samadhi> you're saying that the odds of that happening at the same time all around the world is realistic?
[18:14] <ninethirtynine> he came to the exact same conclusion without any knowledge of these cultures
01[18:14] <@jones> Okay
01[18:14] <@jones> Which cultures?
01[18:14] <@jones> I '
[18:14] <ninethirtynine> As did many other peopl
[18:14] <ninethirtynine> ee
01[18:14] <@jones> I'd lvoe to read a bit
01[18:15] <@jones> about these cultures which had consciousness figured out
[18:15] <ninethirtynine> buddhists, hindus, native americans
01[18:15] <@jones> What did they call it?
[18:15] <ninethirtynine> its pretty much every culture
01[18:15] <@jones> Obviously it's not ego/id
[18:15] <ninethirtynine> but they use different words
[18:15] <ninethirtynine> right
[18:15] <ninethirtynine> some use the words spirit
[18:15] <ninethirtynine> sou
[18:15] <ninethirtynine> l
[18:15] <ninethirtynine> being
[18:15] <un-samadhi> In buddhism and hinduism consciousness is variously referred to as a mindstream, a dream state, unreal, not real, not self...
[18:15] <un-samadhi> so your own sources are betraying you
[18:15] <Pasta> What about the cultures
[18:16] <ninethirtynine> samadhi, no ego is clearnly differenciated from spirit in buddhism and hinduism
01[18:16] <@jones> Yeah I don't follow you ninethirtynine. Saying other cultures discovered Spirit and Frued talking about id and ego is the same thing
[18:16] <ninethirtynine> heres what im saying
[18:16] <Demeter> Pasta, how's the situation with the bread?
[18:16] <Pasta> Oh im not making bread rn
[18:17] <un-samadhi> gotta afk
01[18:17] <@jones> ninethirtynine un-samadhi I believe we've made it to a point in the conversation where we've found our understanding differing
[18:17] <ninethirtynine> no matter what culture one came from, what time era ect, everywhere around the world and across time, people have come to the conclusion that there is consciousness and how it transends the body and ego
[18:17] <ninethirtynine> just in different words
01[18:17] <@jones> Yes absolutely ninethirtynine
01[18:17] <@jones> Not refuting that at all
[18:18] <ninethirtynine> so what im saying is, how would all of these people, come to the exact same conclusion, just worded differently, if it werent true
01[18:18] <@jones> I am not sure what the debate is now about
[18:18] <ninethirtynine> how would everyone feel and experience the same thing if it werent the truth
01[18:18] <@jones> What truth are you referring to?
[18:20] <ninethirtynine> the debate was about, you cant prove that there is a distinction between ego and consciousness that separates waking life and other states like sleeping.
01[18:20] <@jones> Hmm.
01[18:20] <@jones> I wasn't trying to argue about that
01[18:20] <@jones> I dont' quite understand it
[18:20] <ninethirtynine> and its not one truth that im referring to, its the question that "how would everyone come to the same conclusion if it wasnt the truth"
[18:20] <ninethirtynine> if they stretch across cultures, time and places
01[18:21] <@jones> Possibly in the same way all the dinosaurs died at the same time because giant meteor
[18:21] <ninethirtynine> samadhi was saying dreaming was exactly the same as waking life
[18:21] <ninethirtynine> hows that
[18:21] <ninethirtynine> how is that the same
01[18:21] <@jones> Exact same? Nah
[18:21] <ninethirtynine> even similar
01[18:21] <@jones> It's all in your head
[18:21] <un-samadhi> sorry, I'm back
01[18:21] <@jones> Everything you've experienced or felt
01[18:21] <@jones> Has all happened from within your skin
01[18:22] <@jones> The same can be said about dreams
[18:22] <ninethirtynine> but there is something that trancends "just in your head" and thats the spirit, the consciousness
01[18:22] <@jones> Which is where
01[18:22] <@jones> ?
[18:22] <un-samadhi> yeah, essentially my point isn't much different from say, the matrix -- or even the boltzmann brain idea. The hypothesis that you are just a dream-character (the ego) appearing in a dream of a larger mind (consciousness)
01[18:22] <@jones> Like a dream within a dream!
06[18:23] * @jones inception bwaaahhhh
[18:23] <un-samadhi> I hold it to be pretty close to unproveable, so I just engage in each experience as much as I can :)
[18:23] <ninethirtynine> its not a physical thing that you can find, thats why you cant replicate a consciousness and even if you copied someones brain, neuron for neuron, it wouldnt have the consciousness
[18:23] <un-samadhi> Ohh nooo
01[18:23] <@jones> I just have fun with it
01[18:23] <@jones> ninethirtynine exactly
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[18:23] <Mesingw> hello
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[18:23] <un-samadhi> Hello
[18:23] <Mesingw> how's everyone?
[18:23] <ninethirtynine> and it separates you from "just in your head"
[18:23] <Mesingw> .bef
[18:23] <ninethirtynine> hey mesingw
[18:24] <Mesingw> hey ninethirtynine
[18:24] <ninethirtynine> but the thing is that you can clearly separate the ego from the consciousness, and consciousness is your spirit, specific to your being
[18:24] <un-samadhi> ninethirtynine- that sort of sounds like we're describing the same idea with different vocabulary
01[18:24] <@jones> ninethirtynine I may have misread but I was thinking consciousness happens in the brain from your persepctive
01[18:24] <@jones> yeah un-samadhi I think we're on the same page but hearing each other differently
[18:25] <un-samadhi> I absolutely believe consciousness is not limited to the brain, it's just from "my" perspective it seems to be occuring that way
[18:25] <ninethirtynine> while i dont think that this "reality" is really the big picture, ie. there is more than this physical plane, I don't think its just like a dream that you experience when you fall asleep
[18:25] <un-samadhi> but I know what I consider to be "my" perspective is a crock
[18:25] <un-samadhi> gotcha
01[18:26] <@jones> ninethirtynine have you ever heard of people doing DMT or heavily dosing another psychedelic and actually living another life?
01[18:26] <@jones> Like, 30 years of time experienced
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01[18:26] <@jones> A wife, kids, kids grow up
[18:26] <un-samadhi> I've done something similar, but it was more like a few months of time
[18:26] <un-samadhi> I woke up from it and couldn't stop sobbing from losing that experience
[18:27] <ninethirtynine> when you can really understand and separate what ego is, what it sounds like and everything that comes with, it from actual consciousness, then you know that the sham is just the ego
01[18:27] <@jones> Perhaps this reality is very powerful, and held in place by something with a huge amount of energy. And dreams are another reality, less powerful, generated just by your mind
[18:27] <ninethirtynine> yes ive heard of that jones
01[18:27] <@jones> un-samadhi I can imagine..I've felt overwhelmed waking up feeling like aeons had passed, but there was no experience
01[18:28] <@jones> Just before I opened my eyes it felt like the year 3000
[18:28] <Mesingw> jones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_86NhPx0hZQ
[18:28] <gonzobot> (Mesingw) Terence McKenna - Alien Dreamtime (Live) [HQ] - length 1h 4m 48s - 624 likes, 16 dislikes (97.5%) - 49,816 views - CannabisDrinkMate on 2012.05.26
[18:28] <un-samadhi> I had that happen from doing a sensory deprivation tank :)
06[18:28] * Mesingw has synesthesia so trips every time he hears noises lol
[18:28] <un-samadhi> I stood up and just... wow, it felt like I'd never existed in this body before. I felt like my body weighed 500 lbs
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[18:29] <gonzobot> ​ No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will cramp his style.
06[18:29] * Demeter has synesthesia too
[18:29] <un-samadhi> and I clumsily got out of this sensory deprivation tank like I was learning how to use this clumsy meat bag for the first time ever
[18:29] <un-samadhi> Bizarre feeling
[18:29] <Mesingw> haha what kind Demeter?
[18:30] <gonzobot> ・゜゜・。。 ​ ・゜゜\_o<​ QUA​CK!
[18:30] <Pasta> .brf
[18:30] <Demeter> .bef
[18:30] <gonzobot> Demeter you befriended a duck in 6.799 seconds! You have made friends with 8 ducks in #psychic.
[18:30] <Pasta> .brf
[18:30] <Pasta> sensory deprivations tanks look rlly cool
[18:30] <Demeter> Auditory, I see letters and numbers in colors, sounds in color
[18:31] <un-samadhi> Is that a good sensation or a bad one?
[18:31] <Demeter> I see pain as color
[18:31] <Mesingw> so you have grapheme and chromatic :)
[18:31] <Demeter> I like it, but really its neither
[18:31] <ninethirtynine> ive heard of that
[18:31] <Mesingw> and i can't remember the pain one
[18:31] <un-samadhi> that sounds pretty interesting
[18:31] <ninethirtynine> did it just happen one day or since you were born
[18:31] <Demeter> I had not heard that term
[18:31] <Demeter> Always been like that
[18:32] <Mesingw> if you have one type you are 65% likely to have another
[18:32] <Demeter> Grapheme
[18:32] <Mesingw> yeah same
[18:32] <ninethirtynine> and samadhi being in a whole other life during drugs or SDT, dont fully understand that
[18:32] <Mesingw> color grapheme is the letter-color type
[18:32] <Mesingw> it's also the most common
[18:32] <Demeter> Ah.
[18:32] <Demeter> Yes, I knew that
[18:32] <Mesingw> chromatic=sound to color
[18:32] <Mesingw> so how does your sound one work? is it by note or...
[18:32] <Demeter> Well. You are a fount of information
01[18:33] <@jones> ninethirtynine you just have to open up your understanding to accepting everything you know is wrong
[18:33] <ninethirtynine> jones, i never think that I am right, only learning how things work and its always changing, thats why when I experience something im always able to say, ok now lets move from there
[18:33] <Demeter> It's not as specific as the letter to color, but each sounds has a color in my mind
01[18:33] <@jones> Yes that's good ninethirtynine ^_^
[18:34] <un-samadhi> I think for me it is like 'turtles all the way down.' like jones said, this reality is held in place with a huge amount of energy -- it inherently feels more real than a dream, I don't actually discount that. I think our dreams are just a fraction of the same stuff making up this world, is all
[18:34] <ninethirtynine> but i cant blindly accept something, i think things will unravel as I am ready
[18:34] <Demeter> Yours?
01[18:34] <@jones> Matter is 99.99999999% empty space anyways
[18:34] <ninethirtynine> un-samadhi, thats something i can agree with
01[18:34] <@jones> I'm surprised every time my ass doesn't fall through the chair
[18:34] <ninethirtynine> what do you think about if someone died though, we would just wake up?
[18:34] <ninethirtynine> or we would come out of some drug trip?
[18:34] <un-samadhi> I don't know, but I hope to find out one day
[18:35] <ninethirtynine> do you think there is a consequences for negative energy, like murdering or wrongdoing that is unjustified
[18:35] <SorcererSupreme> Intermolecular forces yay!
[18:35] <ninethirtynine> or that it doesnt matter in the end
[18:36] <SorcererSupreme> Intramolecular forces double yay!
[18:36] <un-samadhi> well, I don't personally subscribe to a materialist viewpoint. I used to. but I think that it has consequences, yes. but I think that concepts like 'karma' are misunderstood to be thought of as like an intergalactic police force punishing you for your transgressions
[18:36] <un-samadhi> I think it is much more about intention
01[18:36] <@jones> un-samadhi <33333
[18:36] <un-samadhi> if you feel you deserve to be stuck in a nightmare, you will be
[18:37] <un-samadhi> if you can forgive yourself, learn and move on from the things you've done wrong, then you'll do that too
[18:37] <Demeter> Mesingw: what about you?
[18:37] <cleanbandit> our minds are often our greatest prisons lol
[18:37] <ninethirtynine> un-samadhi, heres something, just backtracking a bit and it does sort of go against what I think, but like i said, i am open minded and willing to understand through experience not blind faith
[18:37] <cleanbandit> or they could be liberating
[18:37] <ninethirtynine> but
[18:37] <un-samadhi> cleanbandit - right -- and I'm still in prison, that's for sure :)
[18:37] <Mesingw> mine goes by timbre
[18:37] <Mesingw> the chromatic
[18:37] <ninethirtynine> when i become lucid in a dream, i can feel a pull when I want to come out, its so vivid
01[18:37] <@jones> 'through experience not blind faith' - that's exactly how it works with me
[18:38] <Mesingw> my lexical gustory it goes by the sounds themselves
[18:38] <Mesingw> both have to do with audio
[18:38] <cleanbandit> but experiences can be funny
[18:38] <ninethirtynine> and sometimes in waking life, things feel so vivid, that i start to feel a pull, very similar to the dream, but more vivid
[18:38] <Demeter> That's cool
[18:38] <ninethirtynine> its quite scary
01[18:38] <@jones> :D
[18:38] <Mesingw> i also have personification (attiributing personalities to inatimate objects) to a limited degree
[18:38] <ninethirtynine> and i dont think about it often because i dont want this all to just be pointless like a dream
[18:38] <Demeter> I used to do that
[18:38] <un-samadhi> ninethirtynine- I know the feeling you're describing. I've felt it in real life a lot, and it scares me enough into going back into 'normal mode' because it goes against what I know to be real
[18:38] <ninethirtynine> yeah, same
[18:39] <ninethirtynine> I start going back to getting attached to temporary things, just until the feeling goes away
[18:39] <un-samadhi> I don't think it's pointless though, I think just my unwillingness to accept that pull says something about me. I'm just not sure what :)
[18:39] <un-samadhi> yeah, exactly!
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[18:39] <Mesingw> the chromatic though
[18:39] <Mesingw> timbre determines color
[18:39] <ninethirtynine> yeah, to be honest its terrifying that Im pretty sure, if i let go of these attachments, it feels like ill be pulled out
[18:40] <Mesingw> pitch denotes how bright or dark it is
[18:40] <ninethirtynine> ive had dreams as vivid as real life and it feels super similar
[18:40] <Mesingw> and the way the notes are aranged dictates the way it "moves"
[18:40] <cleanbandit> attachments in what sense?
[18:40] <un-samadhi> Its a very disconcerting feeling because I think I'm pretty attached to my ego, still
[18:40] <un-samadhi> I like the idea of being "me" in some sense
[18:40] <Demeter> Mines like that too
[18:40] <ninethirtynine> i know im not disconnected, but I am much more disconncted than i used to be
[18:40] <kay> just want to say hi! 17 was in a forum and also the amt of users in this group (and somewhere else) so i am relating to that..loving this site so far
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[18:40] <Mesingw> ah
[18:40] <un-samadhi> kay- hello
[18:40] <cleanbandit> hello kay
[18:40] <Mesingw> yeah apparently a lot of musicians have it
[18:41] <Snoo44781> :) un-samadhi hi!
[18:41] <ninethirtynine> its more about leaving loved ones behind, and people that rely on me and if i submit to a pull or follow it, if this is real, they will be without me
[18:41] <Mesingw> one example is Adam Jones lead guitarist for tool
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[18:41] <Mesingw> when i heard he had in it a psyche class I was like OMG it makes so much sense now!
[18:41] <Mesingw> no wonder i like his stuff!
[18:41] <Demeter> Never heard that
[18:41] <un-samadhi> The odd thing is the few times I've discussed that with loved ones, it's never like a "you're crazy, go seek help" response. It's more like "Yeah, you're right" and that makes me latch on even more because... well, what is all this?
[18:42] <un-samadhi> and as you said, many religions a long time ago already discovered all this, it's not as if it's a schizophrenic idea. It's pretty integral to a lot of faiths
[18:42] <un-samadhi> but experiencing and knowing, I think, are two different things
[18:42] <ninethirtynine> i just know, dream characters, if i didnt know it was a dream, i wouldnt ever know they are real or not, its the composition of the dream that makes me know its a dream
[18:42] <Mesingw> Demeter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiR1hmpk-x4
[18:42] <gonzobot> (Mesingw) Tool The Grudge - length 8m 37s - 15,473 likes, 608 dislikes (96.2%) - 4,835,932 views - zildjian039 on 2008.08.25
[18:43] <un-samadhi> I think I'd rather be crazy :D
[18:43] <ninethirtynine> this shit gets a little overwhelming
[18:43] <ninethirtynine> but at the end of the day, profound
[18:44] <ninethirtynine> and im not trying to trip anyone out, but how do i know you think like me, i could have the same convo with a dream character in a lucid dream
[18:44] <ninethirtynine> and I have had similar ones
[18:45] <un-samadhi> Ever see the movie Waking Life?
01[18:45] <@jones> just catching up - Mesingw about synethesia and attributing personalities to objects
01[18:45] <@jones> Cool :)
[18:45] <Mesingw> lol
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