[12:12 AM] DALTON: but the next project i wanna start[12:12 AM] DALTON: is the clan ranking
[12:12 AM] Static: yay
[12:12 AM] DALTON: but idk where to even start on that
[12:12 AM] Static: when you say clan ranking
[12:12 AM] DALTON: like the ranking page
[12:12 AM] Static: you mean the really fucked up
[12:12 AM] Static: wars
[12:12 AM] Static: thing
[12:12 AM] Static: right[12:14 AM] DALTON: if you have any ideas
[12:14 AM] DALTON: lol
[12:14 AM] DALTON: about where to start
[12:14 AM] DALTON: throw em out
[12:14 AM] Static: i think we should break down the basics
[12:14 AM] DALTON: start some discussion
[12:14 AM] DALTON: yeah
[12:14 AM] Static: like
[12:14 AM] Static: what is clan ranking
[12:14 AM] Static: answer all the basic shit first
[12:15 AM] DALTON: we have to figure out what aspects of a clan should place it higher on ranking
[12:15 AM] DALTON: i.e. activity, forum event placements, forum posting, influence
[12:15 AM] Static: idk if id have influence on there
[12:15 AM] Static: thats like really
[12:15 AM] DALTON: yea
[12:15 AM] Static: subjective
[12:15 AM] DALTON: exactly
[12:15 AM] Static: i guess is the word
[12:15 AM] Static: but skill is an obvious one
[12:15 AM] DALTON: then we need to narrow it down to what is quantifiable and what isn;t
[12:16 AM] Static: like if ur winning
[12:16 AM] Static: obviously ur good
[12:16 AM] Static: and you should be raanked high
[12:16 AM] Static: but ur wanting to include stuff like forum activity?
[12:16 AM] DALTON: no probably not
[12:16 AM] DALTON: like at all
[12:16 AM] Static: cause everytime we try and "force" people
[12:16 AM] Static: yeah
[12:17 AM] Static: it turns into the community being pissy
[12:17 AM] DALTON: i was just listing things
[12:17 AM] Static: ah ok
[12:17 AM] DALTON: that some people would think would be more important than others
[12:17 AM] DALTON: but imo i think results are the best thing to base off of
[12:17 AM] Static: mhm
[12:17 AM] DALTON: wars are irrelevant
[12:17 AM] DALTON: only thing is that there aren't that many events to yield enough results
[12:18 AM] Static: mhm
[12:18 AM] DALTON: which ties into more events............
[12:18 AM] Static: lol
[12:18 AM] Static: maybe you could piggy back off mwahs thing
[12:18 AM] DALTON: i'm just spewing my thoughts with no real direction lol
[12:18 AM] DALTON: but yea
[12:18 AM] DALTON: it all leads full circle
[12:18 AM] Static: mwah wants bi monthly events right
[12:18 AM] Static: ?
[12:18 AM] Static: or is it 1 every 2 months
[12:18 AM] DALTON: something like that
[12:18 AM] Static: its 1 every 2 months
[12:19 AM] Static: ok so
[12:19 AM] DALTON: <<I suggest we hold at least 1 medium/large sized event every 2 months in a 12 month span for the season. So that we can get a quality event out and this would yield us 6 events a season including Clan League. In between these periods we can hold smaller clan events with static servers such as Typhon's (more carefully planned of course) in order for clans to boost their MMR through the season and be able to hold their place in seeding.[12:19 AM] DALTON: fuk
[12:19 AM] Static: that already is gonna base how you end up in CL
[12:19 AM] Static: right?
[12:19 AM] DALTON: i messed it up
[12:19 AM] Static: cause u suck
[12:19 AM] Static: but yeah its gonna decide seeding
[12:19 AM] DALTON: ok i forgot how to do it
[12:19 AM] DALTON: yes
[12:19 AM] DALTON: CL seeding
[12:20 AM] Static: so why not just have that be the ranking
[12:20 AM] DALTON: but what about the clans below that
[12:20 AM] Static: like you could have those events
[12:20 AM] Static: have major impact
[12:20 AM] Static: on ranking
[12:20 AM] Static: and ik u dont wanna use wars
[12:20 AM] Static: but if clans wanna catch up
[12:20 AM] DALTON: so clans that don't participate stay unranked ?
[12:20 AM] Static: they could war and if they win alot they have a chance
[12:20 AM] DALTON: that's the only thing
[12:21 AM] DALTON: i guess all of the good clans would participate though
[12:21 AM] Static: oh clans that dont participate?
[12:21 AM] Static: yeah all the competitive clans would
[12:21 AM] Static: for sure
[12:21 AM] DALTON: what smash does is
[12:21 AM] DALTON: they have a list of top x amount of players throughout the season
[12:21 AM] DALTON: that's the only ranking
[12:21 AM] DALTON: and a few honorable mentions
[12:21 AM] DALTON: but everything below that is unranked
[12:22 AM] Static: i was gonan say
[12:22 AM] Static: why not steal
[12:22 AM] Static: another games
[12:22 AM] Static: ranking system
[12:22 AM] Static: LOL
[12:22 AM] Static: like not fully
[12:22 AM] Static: but
[12:22 AM] Static: atleast use it as a guide
[12:22 AM] DALTON: i think smash's would actually translate pretty well into tb
[12:22 AM] DALTON: as opposed to like csgo's or something
[12:23 AM] Static: does any online shit factor into ranking?
[12:23 AM] Static: or is it onlu tourneys
[12:23 AM] Static: only*
[12:23 AM] DALTON: only tourney results
[12:23 AM] Static: ok
[12:23 AM] Static: how many do they ahve
[12:23 AM] Static: have*
[12:23 AM] DALTON: tourneys?
[12:23 AM] Static: yeah
[12:23 AM] DALTON: a good amount tbh
[12:23 AM] Static: yeah
[12:23 AM] Static: so thats the issue
[12:23 AM] Static: we gotta figure out
[12:23 AM] Static: we have a whole year
[12:23 AM] Static: well
[12:23 AM] Static: we would
[12:23 AM] Static: hypothetically[12:23 AM] Static: in that year
[12:24 AM] Static: mwah wants to do 1 tourney every 2 months
[12:24 AM] DALTON: but another thing is that smash has a lot more players
[12:24 AM] Static: mhm
[12:24 AM] DALTON: as opposed to there being very few clans to have to compare
[12:24 AM] DALTON: so lesser tourneys shouldn't be that big of an issue
[12:24 AM] Static: well eyah
[12:24 AM] Static: yeah*
[12:24 AM] Static: actually thinking about it
[12:24 AM] Static: im dumb
[12:24 AM] Static: ignore me
[12:24 AM] Static: LOL
[12:24 AM] DALTON: na i was thinking the same thing when you said it
[12:25 AM] DALTON: then i thought about it more
[12:25 AM] DALTON: tb would just be a downsized version of smashes
[12:25 AM] DALTON: if we were to go with that
[12:25 AM] Static: so
[12:25 AM] Static: lets say
[12:25 AM] Static: all the comp clans
[12:25 AM] Static: that normally show up
[12:25 AM] Static: for CL
[12:26 AM] Static: if we have scheduled
[12:26 AM] Static: events
[12:26 AM] Static: every 2 months
[12:26 AM] Static: thats alot of time for them to be able to work out their schedules
[12:26 AM] DALTON: it is
[12:26 AM] Static: and we might actually see more clans getting involved
[12:26 AM] DALTON: also true
[12:26 AM] Static: prizes tho
[12:26 AM] Static: whats up with that
[12:26 AM] DALTON: not too big of an issue
[12:27 AM] Static: cause every competitive player bitches
[12:27 AM] Static: about prizes
[12:27 AM] DALTON: being top ranked at the end of the season gets big prize
[12:27 AM] DALTON: CL gets big prize
[12:27 AM] Static: how long are the seasons?
[12:27 AM] Static: is it the whole year?
[12:27 AM] DALTON: bimonthly tourneys medium prize + seeding and ranking influence for extra incentive to join
[12:27 AM] DALTON: yeah
[12:27 AM] Static: yeah but thats a year they have to wait for a prize
[12:27 AM] Static: thats literally a long ass time on a videogame
[12:27 AM] DALTON: people wait a year for clan league all the time
[12:28 AM] Static: that bitch better be huge
[12:28 AM] DALTON: and it's not like they have to grind out the prizes
[12:28 AM] Static: yeah they wait for CL
[12:28 AM] Static: but
[12:28 AM] DALTON: you really just play a few games every few months when we host the events
[12:28 AM] Static: we've never had Seeding be decided by events
[12:28 AM] Static: so to them
[12:28 AM] Static: thats "effort" they have to put in for like 2 prizes
[12:28 AM] Static: after a whole year
[12:29 AM] Static: i can literally see so many people complain if the prizes arent good
[12:29 AM] DALTON: the prizes will definitely be worthwhile
[12:29 AM] Static: wait would they get shit for the tourneys too?
[12:29 AM] DALTON: yeah
[12:29 AM] DALTON: lol
[12:29 AM] Static: oh
[12:29 AM] Static: im
[12:29 AM] Static: so
[12:29 AM] Static: fucking
[12:29 AM] Static: dumb
[12:29 AM] DALTON: lold
[12:29 AM] Static: its 12 am shut up
[12:29 AM] DALTON: ye
[12:30 AM] Static: if we get everything figured out
[12:30 AM] Static: would you be opposed
[12:30 AM] Static: to literally asking the communty
[12:30 AM] Static: community
[12:30 AM] Static: what they think about this new ranking thign?
[12:30 AM] Static: or would it be better to just
[12:30 AM] DALTON: no i'd definitely ask before i'd implement it
[12:30 AM] Static: yeah
[12:30 AM] Static: ok
[12:30 AM] DALTON: but also
[12:30 AM] DALTON: another thing to note
[12:31 AM] DALTON: is that in smash they have a PR team that judges the results at the end of each season
[12:31 AM] DALTON: it's less based on numbers earned per win or something like that
[12:31 AM] DALTON: like the MMR that mwah was suggesting
[12:32 AM] Static: yeah
[12:32 AM] DALTON: so that could be a potential change too
[12:32 AM] Static: all the clans would start out with a set number of "points"
[12:32 AM] Static: yeah"
[12:32 AM] Static: ?
[12:33 AM] Static: ffs ima pull up mwahs thing
[12:33 AM] Static: idk why i dont have it up
[12:33 AM] DALTON: lol
[12:33 AM] DALTON: it's basically the same thing as mwah's MMR suggestion but with "a human touch"
[12:34 AM] Static: how influential is the human touch though
[12:34 AM] DALTON: slightly
[12:34 AM] DALTON: not really bias
[12:34 AM] DALTON: it's more like
[12:35 AM] DALTON: if clans are close in skill we compare their individual results vs each other and clans they've both played
[12:35 AM] DALTON: and base it off of that
[12:35 AM] Static: was literally typing that
[12:35 AM] Static: fuck you
[12:35 AM] DALTON: lmfao
[12:35 AM] Static: ok that makes sense
[12:35 AM] Static: so realistically what else is there to decide on
[12:35 AM] Static: besides points
[12:36 AM] Static: like do we want only the tourneys to affect "mmr"
[12:36 AM] DALTON: ummm i don't think anything major but there's definitely some stuff that could be polished with the idea
[12:36 AM] Static: like what exactly
[12:36 AM] DALTON: yeah i'd say only events/tourneys
[12:36 AM] Static: so extra events?
[12:36 AM] DALTON: i dunno yet but i don't think we've thought about everything
[12:36 AM] Static: like that es host?
[12:37 AM] DALTON: also i say events/tourneys because i'm not sure if mwah plans to only host bracket based events
[12:37 AM] DALTON: i don't think he does
[12:37 AM] Static: oh ok
[12:37 AM] DALTON: i think the big ones are brackets
[12:37 AM] DALTON: and the smaller side events would be different
[12:38 AM] Static: so its gonna be like big every 2 month events
[12:38 AM] Static: big impact on seeding
[12:38 AM] Static: little events here and there
[12:38 AM] Static: are like boosters really
[12:38 AM] Static: to maybe help you catch up
[12:38 AM] DALTON: yes exactly
[12:39 AM] Static: ok thats what i was talking about like
[12:39 AM] Static: at the start
[12:39 AM] Static: when i said are we just using
[12:39 AM] Static: the big events to decide seeding
[12:39 AM] Static: i didnt realize there were gonna be like mini ones inbetween
[12:39 AM] DALTON: every now and then i think
[12:40 AM] DALTON: no need to always have a clan event running imo
[12:40 AM] Static: ya for sure
[12:40 AM] DALTON: give some clans some off time
[12:40 AM] Static: that wears you out for sure
[12:40 AM] DALTON: but i've run out of brain juices
[12:40 AM] Static: same
[12:40 AM] Static: we did this in dms again....
[12:40 AM] Static: WE SUCK
[12:40 AM] Static: FADE
[12:40 AM] Static: LOOOOOOOOL
[12:40 AM] Static: WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO SAY ALL THIS AGAIN