haileyshay@gmail.com (8:43:40 PM):	Which is why I want something by sunday that we can move on. Even if that movement is a vote on proposal.
Lizzybeths00 (8:43:43 PM):	Though the trend is leaning in a specific direction. :-P But anyway. I think it would be wise to come up with some clear ideas. It's a good idea to work on your theme compromise. But lets not settle on anything until everyone has an idea.
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:44:15 PM):	Hehehe, the same goes for you, having to slip on some things, and him, and me too...
Lizzybeths00 (8:45:00 PM):	We present some serious proposals, like I did there. A full theme idea, with some under the hood stuff about how it may function as far as organization goes.
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:45:19 PM):	My big things are... 1. Game balance is NOT the same thing as equality. The factions being clones of each other is stupid. Every table top game maintains balance through diversity. and 2. We have too many factions. I want three, hollow, shinigami, and Quincy.
Lizzybeths00 (8:45:26 PM):	*nods*
Lizzybeths00 (8:45:30 PM):	Agreed.
Lizzybeths00 (8:45:48 PM):	I have no problem with more factions. But let's move away from factions.
Lizzybeths00 (8:45:54 PM):	I think like Kon on this aspect.
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:45:57 PM):	we are too thin
Lizzybeths00 (8:45:58 PM):	They are Races, not factions.
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:46:03 PM):	agreed
Lizzybeths00 (8:46:18 PM):	So... Hollow, Arrancar, Shinigami, Human, and Bount. Races.
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:46:27 PM):	LOL
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:46:34 PM):	Funny, because that's what I had said...
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:46:36 PM):	however
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:46:44 PM):	Renji made a good point and I agreed
Lizzybeths00 (8:46:51 PM):	Vizard, Quincy are factions.
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:46:57 PM):	Quincy are logically more common than super powered humans
Lizzybeths00 (8:47:02 PM):	Gotei 13 a faction.
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:47:29 PM):	therefore Quincy appable from cg, human is special request only
Lizzybeths00 (8:47:49 PM):	Well, I have no problem with humans.
Lizzybeths00 (8:47:51 PM):	We just need rules.
Lizzybeths00 (8:48:13 PM):	I'd like to go with the fullbring idea. That we can solidify with a real rule set.
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:48:21 PM):	I HATE fullbring
Lizzybeths00 (8:48:25 PM):	Like core skills that they all have to have, and that no one can modify.
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:49:03 PM):	I see it like cooking. We can always add more, but taking away is problematic or impossible. Simple to start, hollow, shiinigami, quincy
Lizzybeths00 (8:49:09 PM):	Forget this spirit dodge stuff... How about enviornmental modification to replace it. Like bouncing off the ground, to replace the spirit dodge flash step and Sonido clone.
Lizzybeths00 (8:49:49 PM):	It's unique, and can even work off it's own set of stats and work differently as a core from the other core skills like flash step and sonido.
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:52:48 PM):	*shakes head* superpowerd humans are not common, and shouldn't be. If you are going to have that then no qiuncy. I'm sorry but people are going to look at your two main groups. the majority will go shinigami, some weirdos like me will go hollow. Quincy is often ignored, human is... niche, for players that are bored and want to do something else. I do apologize, but the blatant ripping off and bringing soul eater characters, IN NAME even... just shows that it doesn't stop. They keep going far past what they should, even in concept. I mean... The things sakura tries to app for saya... omg...
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:53:20 PM):	p I understand the appeal of the unaligned/independant thing
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:53:39 PM):	But I think to start the new game, their should only be 3 groups to app
Lizzybeths00 (8:53:51 PM):	That's the point I'm trying to make. We can take the fullbring concept and make it all rules and clear progression. Humans can be all cores. Not actually unique stuff.
Lizzybeths00 (8:54:07 PM):	If they want unique, they die and go hollow.
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:54:13 PM):	hm...
Lizzybeths00 (8:54:27 PM):	Or build up a Shinigami and wait until they have access to Shikai.
Lizzybeths00 (8:54:41 PM):	I mean at it's basic level. Fullbring is just cores.
Lizzybeths00 (8:55:35 PM):	You take something that's already there, and you use it to  your advantage. Make ground bouncy to jump. That's pretty much an evasive like flash step. You empower an object to hit harder. Like a stone to throw it at someone. It's just a stone. But awakened it hits like a meteor.
Lizzybeths00 (8:56:03 PM):	But in the end, it's still just a stone.
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:56:19 PM):	Like I said. I have personal dislikes and stubbornness too, that I will move on if need be. But I H8 the entire fullbring concept and curse Kubo for even bringing it up.
Lizzybeths00 (8:56:19 PM):	They are all cores. Nothing really unique.
Lizzybeths00 (8:57:18 PM):	It's just something that every one of them have access to. The only unique thing, would be their totem. The one item they are completely attuned to, and that can be regulated by us like crazy.
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:58:23 PM):	*nods* I will concede, that fullbring would be easier to explain being in Meiji japan than Quincy
haileyshay@gmail.com (8:59:36 PM):	But start of game needs to be limited to flesh out the groups. Otherwise it's just like the mess with divisions, and having 1 or 2 people in them.
Lizzybeths00 (9:01:58 PM):	Oh yeah... That's why I actually tried to have groups split up by taste, with clear advantages and disadvantages for each. So it becomes a real choice.
Lizzybeths00 (9:03:32 PM):	There will be things that people like and dislike about and Race, or Faction. So you balance that out with nifty perks. Some of them being in how that faction runs. Maybe it's more laid back. People might not like a strict enviornment, but then that comes with some advantages in learning core skills because they are very structured.
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:03:55 PM):	*nods*
Lizzybeths00 (9:05:28 PM):	'Cides. No matter how much anyone says they don't like the very strict structure of say the way the Shinigami really should be run right now. They actually do and don't realize it. Because they know where they fit in, what their rank is, and who their boss is.
Lizzybeths00 (9:05:36 PM):	Most people actually prefer that.
Lizzybeths00 (9:05:43 PM):	They just don't realize it at times.
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:05:52 PM):	Oh... I notcied that. That's why people have trouble playing hollow
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:06:18 PM):	THey can't wrap their brain around something that isn't by default anthropomorphic
Lizzybeths00 (9:06:40 PM):	Haha.
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:07:14 PM):	So they go Arrancar because they look human
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:07:27 PM):	and we can make them kitty girls >.>
Lizzybeths00 (9:07:35 PM):	It's not just that.
Lizzybeths00 (9:07:57 PM):	But they also can't wrap around the concept of the real freedom that hollows give you. They want to structure it.
Lizzybeths00 (9:08:21 PM):	But in truth, a hollow is both it's advantage and it's disadvantage. They have the freedom to do what they want. But they also are no army.
Lizzybeths00 (9:08:47 PM):	One hollow isn't going to help out another... There is no solidarity among hollow. Just... 'Hey, when you die, can I have your stuff?'
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:09:17 PM):	That's not completely true
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:09:34 PM):	you saw it with Grimmjow and the others at adjuchas
Lizzybeths00 (9:09:45 PM):	Sure it is. And even when they are working together. Each one is thinking about how and when they are going to eat the other to be on top.
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:10:13 PM):	If that were true, then they wouldn't have had him eat pieces of them
Lizzybeths00 (9:10:31 PM):	Remember the exception to the rule bit?
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:10:43 PM):	Yeah
Lizzybeths00 (9:10:49 PM):	Grimmjow and his group are not the rule.
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:10:50 PM):	That's why I said it's not comepltely true
Lizzybeths00 (9:11:00 PM):	Most hollow don't even have the brain capable of thinking much less empathy.
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:11:15 PM):	you also have nel and her group, halibel and hers. I will agree that below adjucahs, that is the case.
Lizzybeths00 (9:11:25 PM):	And in many cases, it's an alliance of convinience. Not solidarity. They don't really give a crap about the other. But more about survival.
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:11:41 PM):	But even starrks splitting himself because he was lonely is evidence to the need for a pack or family
Lizzybeths00 (9:11:42 PM):	They were Arrancar when we first saw them.
Lizzybeths00 (9:11:48 PM):	That's a whole different can of beans.
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:12:16 PM):	nel's fraccion are hollow, not arrancar, they had their masks ripped off and reverted by noitra
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:12:24 PM):	thats how we met them
Lizzybeths00 (9:12:41 PM):	Arrancar have control of those instincts that they had as a hollow, and are returning to a more human state.
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:12:41 PM):	they could have just eaten the poor girl
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:12:55 PM):	but they didn't
Lizzybeths00 (9:13:51 PM):	*nods* They are wierd... and mostly Kubo's comic relief. Not that he needed it. -.-
Lizzybeths00 (9:14:16 PM):	If we want the game to be more serious and rpable. Then we have to ignore some of Kubo's crap.
Lizzybeths00 (9:14:29 PM):	I'd prefer Hollow not to ever by nicey nice. Ever.
Lizzybeths00 (9:14:56 PM):	They can group up, but it would be easier if it's played as an alliance of convinience.
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:15:04 PM):	I see a difference between nicey, and solidarity
Lizzybeths00 (9:15:15 PM):	Hollow at least from the start of the Series, were supposed to be the personification of evil.
Lizzybeths00 (9:15:22 PM):	Evil doesn't do solidarity.
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:15:35 PM):	that's not something that is easily rp'd
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:15:43 PM):	Unless you are an npc
Lizzybeths00 (9:15:46 PM):	Indeed. I'd also like Hollow restricted.
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:15:59 PM):	if you have to start from 0 as a pc, then you can't just do it on your own, 99% of the time
Lizzybeths00 (9:16:13 PM):	Apped and given an advantage.
Lizzybeths00 (9:17:05 PM):	I've already personally stated on admin and with other staffers, and Kon and I have talked about it, and said it's easily doable in the system. Anyway... That hollows are individually stronger at the top then even a Shinigami captain one on one.
Lizzybeths00 (9:17:23 PM):	So that would mean that even a few steps below that, they are stronger and more dangerous individually.
Lizzybeths00 (9:17:35 PM):	Hollows should return as a genuine threat.
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:17:54 PM):	YEs they should
Lizzybeths00 (9:18:04 PM):	A Vasto Lorde should be able to take on two captains.
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:18:08 PM):	but the rule of 1 is just non feasable as a concept
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:18:18 PM):	p Not playably
Lizzybeths00 (9:18:33 PM):	That's not true.
Lizzybeths00 (9:19:05 PM):	Independents on the SW mush were all on the rule of one. Everyone for themselves. They didn't even get any staff support. There was an Indie fachead only in name. To regulate rules.
Lizzybeths00 (9:19:14 PM):	Anything you gained, and thing you did was all earned.
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:19:41 PM):	But they get to operate in the existing world. Hollow can't do that.
Lizzybeths00 (9:19:53 PM):	In the end, it took a serious threat and some really pissed independent groups to band together.
haileyshay@gmail.com (9:19:59 PM):	They can't go off and exist hidden in plain sight
Lizzybeths00 (9:20:01 PM):	When they did it was game changing too. haha.
Lizzybeths00 (9:21:09 PM):	I'd like to get rid of the weapon concept for Hollow. With Kon's system Hollow can have their own progression. They could have something akin to a transform right from the start.
Lizzybeths00 (9:21:31 PM):	Shinigami should be forced to take one on with either stradegy, or support from others.
Lizzybeths00 (9:21:50 PM):	Make Kido actually work and do it's job for example. haha.
Lizzybeths00 (9:26:25 PM):	*nodders*
Lizzybeths00 (9:27:14 PM):	Though some Shinigami have TFs. But that usually depends on the weapon and their connection to it.
Lizzybeths00 (9:27:49 PM):	Ah, and at the bottom of proposal I have there. Are two things that I'd like to see regardless of what theme was accepted.
Lizzybeths00 (9:27:59 PM):	Ichigo has a TF.
Lizzybeths00 (9:28:22 PM):	The power of his Bankai actually condenses into him, and makes him faster and stronger.
Lizzybeths00 (9:28:31 PM):	It merges with him in a way.
Lizzybeths00 (9:29:14 PM):	Well actually that's just his basic Shinigami powers. Right from the start there. So it's doable methinks.
Lizzybeths00 (9:29:23 PM):	That's not counting his other wierd crap.
Lizzybeths00 (9:29:25 PM):	I don't do that.
Lizzybeths00 (9:30:24 PM):	Once Byakuya figured out how Ichigo's bankai worked. He wasn't exactly as surprised or shocked anymore. Just more of an, 'Oh, I see.' moment.
Lizzybeths00 (9:30:39 PM):	*nods*
Lizzybeths00 (9:32:35 PM):	*nodders* Evil is never easy to play.
Lizzybeths00 (9:32:56 PM):	People shouldn't just go into a hollow or arrancar bit willynilly.
Lizzybeths00 (9:33:21 PM):	Sure them as a human may have been nice. But they now have these instincts that want to eat other beings.
Lizzybeths00 (9:33:33 PM):	Arrancar have more control over them, but that doesn't mean they aren't totally gone.
Lizzybeths00 (9:33:44 PM):	*are
Lizzybeths00 (9:34:06 PM):	For an Arrancar... It's like being a teenager with raging hormones all over again. Haha.
Lizzybeths00 (9:34:21 PM):	You can control it, but there are times when... You really just want to give up.
Lizzybeths00 (9:34:33 PM):	So you just say... To hell with it.
Lizzybeths00 (9:35:50 PM):	And hollow, well they often have no choice. They are their instincts. Sure the PC types will be the smarter ones, but that makes them the more dangerous type. They shouldn't have the arrancar control, and they won't see eating a plus, or another hollow as something that's wrong, or a problem. It's just what they are.
Lizzybeths00 (9:36:15 PM):	The smarter ones just hunt more efficiently, and are more secretive about it. And more powerful.
Lizzybeths00 (9:38:07 PM):	Oh... btw. You should boot your clone.
Lizzybeths00 (9:38:16 PM):	And now I've gots to go.