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๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: shal we get
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: re-doing then?
zo: i'm still talking to rdas atm
zo: so not just yet
zo: because i'm still holding my argument that if we redo this i'm scared you're going to pull some weird
zo: unknown card
zo: i've told duke exactly what i would have done had you had your arm in vest and there was nothing on scene to stop my actions expect one downed indivudal ex ari
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: well you would have seen me from the garage door, where i was aiming
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: had u turned and raised your gun, i would simply have shot
zo: you had a gun out but you hadn't fired it
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: nope
zo: and if i went to the staircase it'd be an easy shot with your injured state
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: yeah sure
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: sounds like a plan
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: except the
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: massive
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: container
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: in the way
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: blocking your view
zo: the container blocks the direct-view but it's not hard to see around
zo: go towards the most-side
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: then there is the simple solution of moving a tad bit
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: and aki whod be outside, shot in vest
zo: but you werent in any state -
zo: aki was shot in the head
zo: lol
zo: you had no movement intentions at that point
zo: so i'd just fall back with el
zo: and prob take the shot having el cover me
zo: ari was shot in the head
zo: *aki
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: again no real problem, shot in the legs
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n rolls
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n barrles roll
zo: this is what i meant when you pull some weird move
zo: you're going to barrel roll to the side facing a shot you had
zo: no idea about
zo: from a random moment
zo: of utter chaos
zo: lol
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: no not really
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: and zo
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: i knew you were coming to kill me all along, hence why aki was there
zo: you had the idea but you didn't have the active suspison riley
zo: dont try to pull that card
zo: aki was shot down i ensured that
zo: in the head
zo: and i came inside to arrest vars
zo: at first
zo: ex showing that i was there for hiro
zo: to say
zo: OH I KNEW YOU WERE COMING
zo: just played along
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: zo i even confronted you about it earlier
zo: is pretty much why i'm appealing the choice
zo: and you went with it riley
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: and im not gonna pull
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: any bs
zo: i'm sure you had
zo: your worries
zo: in the back of your mind
zo: but not the ACTIVE suspison
zo: during this massive firefight
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: i diddnt go with anything, i minimzed
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: put the game up
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: was shot in the head
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: with no chance of doing anything
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: even tho there were clearly
zo: you woulndt have had much chance
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: things i could have done
zo: to do much
zo: at that
zo: by the way
zo: how exactly do yu have
zo: enough c4
zo: to blow up a warehouse
zo: on 32 when i played her
zo: even i didnt use that much c4
zo: lol
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: i packed
zo: and AT THAT THAT how exactly do you create a dead-man switch that
zo: once hit
zo: it can be tuned off
zo: you would have to take off all your C4 to live
zo: which takes a good
zo: 3-4 mins
zo: at best
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: yup
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: tons of things that can be done
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: if i moved when you were standing, right next to me
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: you'd die to
zo: tons of things that just seem odd and random
zo: and as i said
zo: had your hand been in your pocket
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: if you said "sorry" and aimed at me, me aiming to shoot at you
zo: i'd take an easy shot
zo: to say that you predicted the shot and somehow
zo: barrel rolled divded
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: you'd either a, run, or b get killed by the assplotion
zo: and suddenly blew up
zo: is just idiotic and something i'll appeal
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: well as i said, if you happend to turn towards me with a gun pointed AT ME, i'd probably react that to at
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: as usually you lower the bloody thing, when you look at someone on your side
zo: but as i said if your hand was inside your pocket
zo: i'd just walk away safley to the side closest to the stairs
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: innside my coat.
zo: with view
zo: with el covering me
zo: and shoot you
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: well then go for it.
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: lets see how it playes out.
zo: but i'm not doing it less there's an RDA present to ensure you dont pull some weird
zo: oh I knew you were going to do that
zo shoots you back magically
zo: and kills you
zo: win
zo: type incident
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: if you think it's such bs if anything happens
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: just appeal it
zo: i know you're a good RPer but you also like to win and from the operator chat i saw
zo: your intention is to PK me no matter what
zo: not do the RP
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: hey, if i'm gonna die i'd really love to drag you with me.
zo: but through my
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: I mean damn, not even a lie.
zo: deep planning
zo: hell i even
zo: knew that
zo: chris would do this
zo: and that tipper was enroute
zo: i planned this
zo: i wanted this to go as it did
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: oh sure you did
zo: i did so much
zo: to ensure that you couldnt counter-PK that easy
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: because everything went according to plan
zo: and for once it wqent as it would
zo: it did mostly
zo: ghost was
zo: egh
zo: so was aki dying
zo: i wanted her to live but in  pain
zo: but i acecpted it
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: she wassnt pkd tho, not like she had any auths for anything
zo: yeah not PKeds
zo: there s areason i left you half-way and got el to come back knowing el was loyal
zo: but again none of these moves had any suspison to them
zo: had i just came back arrested vars
zo: and shot him
zo: you'd acepct it and prob be pleased IC
zo: i dont want to see some magical all knowing eye
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: you are really just making me feel like a piece of shit zo, you really are.
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: there is no "win" situation for me in this
zo: well riley
zo: you showoff to me
zo: you go
zo: half the time
zo: TO PLAN
zo: and you sorta make me feel like
zo: i just fell into some
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: not unless you decide to run off and not do anything.
zo: deep trap
zo: of your plot choice
zo: so yeah i guess I might be, and I'm sorry, it's how I feel
zo: have the time
zo: *half
zo: I feel like utter-shit for lying to you and I';m prob half-ready to kill my char.
zo: but not this way.
zo: and not through some weird RP
zo: i lied i maunplited chris
zo: things I hated
zo: utterly
zo: IC
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: There is no weird things that happen IC.
zo: valid RP that makes me hate myself OOC
zo: and riley, in respect to you and you are a fine Roleplayer
zo: you don't like to lose
zo: any RP
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: What disgusts me is the OOC things. Lying, and needing rdas to ensure things go exactly according to plan, leaving me p much no room for any other outcome then death even tho there might be.
zo: Hey, Riley, I hate the OOC lying. And I didn't need RDAs until now. I knew you'd try something, blow yourselfup, and planned for it, just like you
zo: normally would
zo: (And then tell me about it)
zo: The problem is it seems you want to redo it going at what ifs but
zo: not realizing
zo: most of what ifs
zo: wouldnt have happened
zo: it was a perfect planned strike that went exactly as it was supposed to
zo: i feel bad for you talking to duke but
zo: i'm telling you exactly what i would do if the sitaution went elsewhere and
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: Well I'm fine with going with what happend, except you dieing, works out for me.
zo: in this one case i'm powergaming, I guess, that's the thing. I'm just not going to acepct, in utterrespect and my worst of feelings, that somehow you could react
zo: OTHER then
zo: blowing up
zo: and with your blowup I already agreed to take a PI to that but, yeah.
zo: maybe fire off a round before dying
zo: but the round wouldn't do much
zo: *shot
zo: not round
zo: wow
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: firing off a round or firing off a shot
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: works
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: both of them do
zo: i dont mind the RP having had gone that you fire, hit her somewhere, she fires, takes you, has to be taken by the backlast
zo: so she's hurt and so is el by the blackbast and craft has a buleltwound
zo: but the idea that he could
zo: predict
zo: aim
zo: fire
zo: and kill her
zo: in the time she would have to randomly without suspison
zo: raies a gun and fire it--noting the round is desigend to go fast and shoot-strong
zo: is just weird
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: im happy with two outcomes of this re-doing
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: both die, or nobody, as if hiro saw he draw the gun and aim at him from afar
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: he could've
zo: and that's what I don't agree with
zo: because that just seems like utter-powergame
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: i dunno, hit him in the throat instead of head, leave time for some last minute rp before death, i mean there is plenty that could happen
zo: i dont mind RPing this out in depth riley but
zo: the two points im making are
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: Hiro has to die.
zo: i wouldn't acepct you making a clean shot on her and two killer
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: Craft has to escape.
zo: and i don't acepct your two choices
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: doesn't have to be a clean shot nor does it have to kill her, maybe just something to throw her aim off a little.
zo: I dont mindit going like:
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: its not that i /want/ to kill craft, but there was just so much dumb going on with that entire rp that ruined most of it.
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: such as alec charging a woman who is AIMING AT HIM and somewhow knock her off her feet
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: before she shoots him
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: which turns out to be what killed her in the end
zo: Craft fires, is hit in the arm and her shot hits his lower-neck, he's alive but bare, fires again hit's El or talks or something, craft pulls herself back with el and he ends up blowing after they talk
zo: if that's how you want to go with it
zo: the other thing i would include is
zo: hero had a s
zo: hotgun in the back
zo: and you were shot in the legs alot
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: one shell spread out over two legs
zo: craft has the same level armor so the shot hiro fires would sting her but
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: a bunch of small pellets
zo: its not going to break her down
zo: she would miss and prob curse a bit and her shoulder would stingmassivley
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: yeah, something like that
zo: and i can put as much RP as you want into this as long i know you won't just powergame it :/
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: and i mean, if they bail after the guy is shot in the throat i can agree with that
zo: youd still die
zo: naturaly
zo: yeah?
zo: craft would prob finish you off after talking
zo: ask him what he wants
zo: this is sthe stuff
zo: we can RP
zo: and i can enjoy
zo: just yeah i just don't acepct two path ways and stuff
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: i'd agree to the getting shot in the throat, not hitting craft anywere fataly
zo: does he end up dying.
zo: still
zo: might talk for a bit
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: that's the thing, if people come along after hearing mass amounts of fire and such, maybe someone could grab the deadman trigger and keep it from going off
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: leaving him to bleed out
zo: but the last of people
zo: pulledout
zo: vars and craft had a deal
zo: vars pulled all of antifa back
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: unless there was a vort or three that somehow managed to keep him from dieing, which if happend id prolly have sned him in some sort of coma, but those chances are slim
zo: there wasnt though
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: so thered be nobody there
zo: the vorts left
zo: prior
zo: cause of driver
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: he'd end up dieing i suppose
zo: and Uri wasnt there either so please dont use as
zo: to make sure
zo: :(
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: zo, had he been online
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: i wouldve had him come here
zo: but he wasnt at the scene therefore he was not there IC
zo: the fear i told duke was
zo: you d bring in
zo: random nonpeople there
zo: and try to reslove it
zo: thats like if when 10132 was dying
zo: i said
zo: "egh lets redo the RP i called in ves"
zo: its like
zo: ..she wasnt there when it went down therefore she was not there IC
zo: vorts erent there, nor was uir--
zo: there was no one left to support you
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: well i suppose he'd die then
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: but there were people, just not in camp
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: they were at the mine area
zo: that mighta supportedhim but
zo: by the time i fired a shot off and knowing it would hit paritally
zo: a cant use a pda
zo: and b it ould take to long
zo: *Take
zo: the thing i hate about this is
zo: i dont mind redoing it
zo: but its like
zo: raygin appealign his PK asking
zo: what if three vorts came
zo: what if a vort healed
zo: what if he shot back
zo: the what ifs didn't happen though
zo: i understand you were talking to duke so i dont mind redoing it but
zo: when we were doing it
zo: no one was coming to save you
zo: no one was around
zo: it was litterly me you elexis and cloaked rdas
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: well the only problem i have with re-doing it is that your one criteria is that i /have/ to die
zo: i argue that because the death was set well enough to where
zo: the only way i could you escaping is if
zo: someone random came in that wasnt there
zo: or some sort of massive powergame occured
zo: i dont mind changing it a bit so that
zo: we take as much RP
zo: as possible
zo: and i take a few hits
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: even tho i did tell someone, before we went, were i was going/what i was doing/with who, even if there were people in the other camp would most likely check it out
zo: but no one /did/. there was a massive firefight that was well /eved/demostrated and no one came
zo: it's another /what if he came/
zo: like what if three vorts appeared
zo: it didn't happen
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: im curious
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: what happend
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: to the strider
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: btw
zo: as far what i ased duke
zo: the strider went on
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: right
zo: i wonderted
zo: that to
zo: but duke barely evwed the stirder
zo: so he argued it just went on
zo: thats why
zo: after the warehouse blew
zo: i /eved COTA
zo: dropping in
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: well wouldnt the smart thing be for craft after she mortaly wounds him be to bail?
zo: she has to confirm the kill
zo: hiro is a
zo: hard man to kill
zo: and your kill
zo: is my life IC
zo: so she would confirm it
zo: cota drops in but se has an escape planned
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: and there was hardly time for anything/anyone to arrive because how fast everything went
zo: riley you were hit
zo: dozens of times
zo: before i came
zo: tipper/chris confirms this
zo: if anyone was coming for you
zo: they would come
zo: they may have came what if they had
zo: you'd be okay
zo: but they /didn't/
zo: theres so many what ifs in everypk
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: seeing as the tlm vest is the same as the cota vest. when tipper shot me in the back it did nothing but slam me up against thewall
zo: what if 10132 blew a hole and kept walking
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: the 8 pellets in the legs, yes
zo: a shotgun to the back breaks through kevlar
zo: you may be alive
zo: and savable
zo: but at this point
zo: you should be on the ground bassicaly in so much pain you would be crying
zo: i dont mind you shooting a bit i can acepct it but
zo: your streght should be gones
zo: *gone
zo: and you have no prio reason to raise a gun which is why i argue
zo: craft could raise you could shoot her
zo: and like we said
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: i HAD a gun raised
zo: her shot is hit off balence
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: from before
zo: your neck
zo: it was held not raised
zo: ex you have to holditup
zo: i could raise in that time hvaing no prior notice to it
zo: we agreed that
zo: you could shoot me i could shoot you craft is hit in the shoulder
zo: nonfatal armor but
zo: stung
zo: shot misses
zo: neck
zo: but i'd /after the RP/ prob finish you off
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: im still in disagreement that the rp has to end the way you want it to, as i am aware during the time she takes to walk over to him and say sorry etc to then shoot him nobody can be there
zo: but as i said
zo: if your hand is in your coat
zo: i wouldnt walk over
zo: i'd walk to the side el covering me and raise a gun
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: which would be like the rp we just talked about to the point of which he gets shot in the throat
zo: it just don't seem proable you could go
zo: "oh I know what you're doing"
zo: counter-raise just as fast with injuries
zo: and shoot her
zo: that just seems like powergame
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: there is no "counter raising"
zo: you held a gun
zo: you have to raise
zo: medium-high
zo: and fire
zo: that is the counter raise
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: i held it, kept it raised, medum high towards the garage door towards center mass
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: which would be, moving it towards the right a few inches and shooting
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: my point is
zo: have you ever held a weapon :(
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: after you shoot him in the throat you'd most likely get out of there, as well he is still filled with explosives
zo: i've held one during my hunting trips out with the FFA
zo: i've worked out for ages for the trips training for the Airforce and
zo: i can't hold a gun in perfect balence
zo: lol
zo: i'm not sure you know how hard that is <.<
zo: and even then you're holding it towards the garage door, i could sitll raise and fire easily
zo: the other thing is
zo: she's far enough to avoid dying
zo: by the explosion
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: a guy whos been brainwashed and trained in different types of warfare since the combine arrived and took over earth whos only reason to live is to p much give his lives dedication towards the cause
zo: if hiro is breathing
zo: he'd be finished off
zo: craft won't fuckup because
zo: if she did
zo: you'd somehow make it out alive and go dark forever
zo: she's going to confirm the kill
zo: thats not my point my point is even with training the miltary provides it hard to hold a pistol in perfect balence
zo: thats why when you hold it the
zo: anim moves you
zo: around at times
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: well i stil do not agree that nobody are actually allowed to come, as the reason i wanted to redo it in the first place was because i could have done something to prevent it or something could've happend to prevent it
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: the whole re.doing
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: means doing it again
zo: thats my challange
zo: though
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: were gonna do things that diddnt happen the first time around
zo: youre pulling at what ifs
zo: and bringing in people who werent there
zo: because
zo: under your logic
zo: every PK
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: i was killed without the chance of doing anythin
zo: could be challange
zo: what if driver had three vorts
zo: what if 32 called in ves
zo: what if clarkes being PKed and
zo: can call cota in
zo: he has the ability
zo: the problem with all RP
zo: is that we can't cosnider every what if
zo: and the what if ideal can have us
zo: drawing at strawns for years
zo: because every sitaution has so many conclsuions
zo: in which we have to work on ony what we have
zo: and what we have is that
zo: no one came
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: again my only problem with the rp is that hiro has to die
zo: there was -no- one coming
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: but seeing as this discussion is useless, i say we just do it live
zo: because thats the card that came into play he would be killed
zo: well so we do agree to the terms of the RP or
zo: do we need it observed by an RDA
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: and as said, i did message someone before we went what went down etc
zo: i rather agree to
zo: --they didnt come
zo: therefore they cant come
zo: atm the only people who can come to this redo are
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: have it observed by an rda then and lets both go down then
zo: me cortez you and plat but play is down
zo: *plat is down
zo: thats the thing im not taking both down ;f
zo: i thought we had a term
zo: we agreed on
zo: the chatter and stuff is up to choice but
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: to beeing shot in the throat and then beeing left to die to avoid the assploation, yes
zo: craft is hit when firing still hits your neck
zo: and well
zo: craft would finish you off
zo: like i said
zo: after the RP is
zo: said and done
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: and i would like for the re-doing for the sake of the "what ifs" and such
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: even if uri arrived, what would he do
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: cure a neck wound with magic?
zo: but the what ifs arent fair
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: keep the blood from choking him?
zo: and i'm going to challange that
zo: to no avial
zo: because the what ifs
zo: can therotically
zo: mean that
zo: all pks are invalid
zo: since you know what if something happeneed to stop the PKs
zo: there is /always/ a what if
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: well then lets go with the old pk that kept me from rping at all
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: and just have her shoot him in the head
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: in such a fashion that there was nothing i could do or try that would prevent it
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: which would be the entire idea of the "re-doing" that something else would happen
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: be it
zo: i dont mind the ending being diff to the point of
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: him bleeding out
zo: i got hit a bit
zo: and such
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: or three vorts teleporting out of no where and healing him
zo: but yeah it would have worked out in such a way you would stil die
zo: and thats just lol
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: what yo uare saying is that no matter what happens nothing is gonna happen, i will die no matter what due to the fact that you are p much telling me to and will get rdas to actually force people from doing anything that might help me somehow
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: that first part
zo: i'm telling you based on the scene that held infront of us
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: made no sense to me
zo: your only escape
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: either
zo: is powergaming riley
zo: i'm telling you
zo: and i do respect you
zo: that you're using the exact bs i was scared off
zo: and drawing at starws
zo: to avoid a PK
zo: trying to use an arguemnt of what if
zo: and what if is a terrible PK motto
zo: the only what if
zo: applys if
zo: somoeone say crashes
zo: and they were
zo: RIGHT THERE
zo: in the RP
zo: but else i can go on with
zo: what ifs forever
zo: i could appeak 10132's pk
zo: on the what if
zo: what if ves was here
zo: what if i had freinds
zo: what if i went left not right went to s3
zo: etc
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: my only concern is that you are isolating the rp in such a fashion that there is no other end to the matter
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: other then my death
zo: because it worked out in such a way riley
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: even though, re-doing would suggest there possibly beeing a different outcome.
zo: i dont mind us changing how you would die but
zo: the idea of re-doing is that
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: Because you shot me without a chance to do anything.
zo: you could somehow pull a card
zo: that dosn't make logical sense
zo: or is even possible
zo: and I say this in respect riley
zo: you're known for powergaming
zo: at times
zo: <.<
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: juts fyi, saying like "no disrecpect" or "in respect" doesnt cover the area were you are using it which is, again, making me feel relatively bad regarding myself as you continue with the trend of doing so.
zo: i say that because
zo: i do like you
zo: but i'm not going to
zo: not say things
zo: i feel bad
zo: and i hate Pking people
zo: you're the
zo: only person
zo: I've PKed
zo: having returned
zo: the -only- person
zo: and I hate it so much
zo: but i'm not going to let myself
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: because the rp that happend
zo: get bullshit out of this
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: the rp that killed me
zo: the RP was valid--
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: diddnt
zo: i dont doubt
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: give me any chance
zo: it was cheap
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: to respond
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: which is why
zo: but there was
zo: in the end of the day
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: i say the pk was bull
zo: no way around this
zo: other then
zo: /what ifs/
zo: and powergame
zo: there may be some means to change the exact process ex
zo: craft gets shot
zo: and is hurt
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: even if nobody comes, there is plenty that could happen
zo: but the ideal is a powergame
zo: like
zo: riley
zo: if you were Pking chris and Chris argued that your PK was invalid because hey he could have called clarie and the rest of antifa
zo: you would be aruging to hell
zo: because its a
zo: /what if/ i called antifa
zo: not a
zo: they are here
zo: the possible vs the acutal
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: again, the reason why i dont agree to the pk
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: which is what
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: made it so
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: nothing else could happen
zo circle
zo: /nothing/ else was probale
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: is that i had no chance of doing anything, because i was minimzed
zo: and yes
zo: im aware
zo: which is why im fine changing it
zo: but i will appeal and disagree
zo: to any choice
zo: because its powergame
zo: your goal is
zo: to kill us both
zo: i find that goal impossible
zo: and a sign of powergame
zo: which is why i wont do it yet and rather just enforce a story or have an RDA force the PK a certain way
zo: /force the RP
zo: because i do not ageee to being powergamed in a way that dosnt seem possible
zo: there is no way you could have shot and killed her in that time unexpected without cause
zo: with your wounds and no warning
zo: it seems foolish
zo: and the argument you've made a dozen times saying
zo: what if someone else came
zo: /didn't happen/
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: well i am still thinking about what i could have done as a person, as again i was unable to actually preforme any actions and so on.
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: and i thought elexis left down the stairs and whatnot
zo: she hadnt
zo: there was nothing you ould do
zo: you could shoot
zo: and you'd die in process
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: depends entirely on what happend
zo: there was no move left thats the problem
zo: this is like
zo: us arguing we should redo daves PK because hey dave died in a sucky way
zo: buty dave was alone
zo: surrowneded
zo: and he'd die
zo: no matter what
zo: dave could argue
zo: I COULD BE SAVED
zo: but he /wasnt/ saved
zo: therefore the arugment is invalid
zo: death was unavoidable for the RP at hand
zo: there was little
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: doing this would extend the period of which the entire thing happens, which would make it so other things could ACTUALLY happend
zo: dave could say
zo: i turned around did a circle and
zo: shoot everyone woith an ar2
zo: but thats powergame
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: the timeframe in the other, where you simply shot me without me able to rp, was short
zo: but the problem is the only moves you could pull would be bullshit based moves that's my concern
zo: and powergame
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: most likely this will be more drawn out, thus allowing other things/actions to do change and form how things go
zo: i dont mind doing the RP to that point but as i said i won't agree to RP any sitaution where
zo: rather then us just RPing its you realizing hey im about to be PKed
zo: ill use a magical PDA
zo: call in uri
zo: and others
zo: some vorts
zo: shoot ag renade
zo: fire a gun
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: i have a trigger in one hand, gun in the other
zo: but everything would result in his clear death esaily
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: only thing i would be capeable of using would be my radio which i can press down without actually dropping my pistol
zo: but there was no around to help you
zo: see this is where
zo: we start to redo the RP
zo: and as is on
zo: suddenly incamp
zo: and you radkio him in
zo: Well that just changes the sitaution.
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: who is "hiim"
zo: uri or someone
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: uri has been told this, prior to it all
zo: That's about as valid as me saying I called in everyone and brought a bunch people who
zo: had no connection to the v
zo: who hate you in
zo: its arguing a what if again
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: hiro, craft and another person are gpoing to deal with antifa
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: even if uri was to arrive, his chances of living are slim at best
zo: that dosnt change the point
zo: that is the very arugment of why
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: i do disagree to you writing in stone that no matter what rp, no matter what happens
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: hiro will die
zo: im scared of redoing the RP
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: just because he was shot earlier
zo: and i disagree with your ideal that there are two possibltiys because
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: which was bs, because i was just /evd do death as if it was a sniper leaving me nothing to actually do
zo: what that sentence tells me is
zo: "if it dosnt go my way ill powergame it til it does"
zo: the same sdenorical where
zo: dave is surorwneded
zo: by 90 units
zo: /it willl end in death/
zo: rp inolved
zo: but he dies
zo: dave cant call in backup thats a /what if he did/
zo: dave's RP will end with a PK and the units will live because dave has no options and his only move
zo: would fail
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: im saying that even if nobody arrived, even if hiro had to hold his own there is always your actions towards it all
zo: expect what i'm saying is that nobody had arrived i'd do exactly what i told you
zo: and death wouldn't have been avoidable
zo: it would have been definiate
zo: the RP chatter
zo: the things we say
zo: the secerts revaled
zo: that is up in the air
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: why is the death of hiro what has to happen?
zo: but the end result would have been defintate knowing my char
zo: the argument i make riley is that
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: what fact is it that ensuers this
zo: she had the upperhand in the sitaution a clean kill without suspison. the idea you argued that
zo: hey i can pulla  gun
zo: shoot you faster
zo: is powergame and isn't valid
zo: where so
zo: rex lee has
zo: 90 units at him
zo: alone
zo: he's fucked he has to die
zo: it's unavodiable
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: your saying i diddnt think this would happen?
zo: we argued this to
zo: and i already said
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: of course i was thinking but i had no ability to actually act because I was /evd dead
zo: i knew
zo: you had in mind
zo: OOC
zo: that you had to do it
zo: but IC
zo: there was
zo: no suspison
zo: nor was there
zo: ACTIVE
zo: ooc suspsion
zo: i went in arresting vars
zo: shooting at people
zo: there was none
zo: and i had i gone in
zo: arrested vars
zo: and killed him
zo: you'd thanked craft or atleast nodded
zo: no suspison
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: because hiro, has never in his entire life somehow fooled people
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: into thinking he doesnt know or know something?
zo: expect that in this case riley you didn't show it wasnt there
zo: thats naother
zo: /what if/ hiro knew
zo: it wasn't Rped it wasnt there
zo: to go into now
zo: going
zo: OH WAIT
zo: CRAFT
zo: I KNOW YOURE GOING TO SOHOT ME
zo predicts
zo: is the biggest powergame i've seen
zo: if ever
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: no, there is going to be nothing of the sort
zo: the shot comes /unpredicted/
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: i only disagree to the fact that you are saying i will die no matter what
zo: and with the upper-hand
zo: riley you're repeating the same line without listening :/
zo: she would have a clear shot and an easy one
zo: the idea that he could respond
zo: is a power-game
zo: he might
zo: be able to half-shot
zo: which is what i agreed
zo: but the idea that hey i can shoot just as fast easily kill you
zo: knowing
zo: A: you yourself are shot
zo: b: full-kevlar
zo: c: upper-hand
zo: is just idiotic
zo: she would take the shot and at that point death is /unavoaible/
zo: the what ifs of
zo: being saved
zo: are out of play
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: you raise points and i disagree to them, yes he was injured thought aware that there is a high possebility of him dieing, i explained before his first actions towards this
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: hence why he'd be more aware if she stood INFRONT of him and took the shot instead from where she did
zo: the idea that kevlar can stop tholse wounds makes no sense at first but
zo: riley you havent listened
zo: at this oint
zo: if your
zo: hand is in
zo: your coat
zo: i wouldnt
zo: go to you
zo: the rp would wokr out as
zo: me going to the clearest point to the staircase
zo: firing
zo: without supsion
zo: or time to react
zo: at best he could get a round off
zo: and hit her slightly
zo: her wound would hit
zo: and the shot would be fatal-enough for death
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: right ok then, i suppose we'll go for it ic then
๖ۣۜriley "muthafukin" hav3n: I gues I'