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Inevitable1234 May 19th, 2017 48 Never
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  1. 2:26 PM - TWrecks: Hey inevitable
  2. 2:26 PM - TWrecks: Here is a video you might find interesting
  3. 2:26 PM - TWrecks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqm6_qsYotQ
  4. 2:27 PM - TWrecks: The title is misleading but the content is interesting
  5. 2:30 PM - B.B - D.N: man
  6. 2:30 PM - B.B - D.N: ill have to save this for later
  7. 2:30 PM - B.B - D.N: had 6 hours of sleep last night
  8. 2:30 PM - B.B - D.N: so wasted atm
  9. 2:30 PM - TWrecks: Fair enough
  10. 2:35 PM - B.B - D.N: i've ben trying to study for a mathematics test in 2 days
  11. 2:35 PM - B.B - D.N: been so hard to understand and learn it due to my attention span being so small atm
  12. 2:36 PM - B.B - D.N: my math teacher was surprised at the contrast because i've demonstrated im so much more intellectually capable in class
  13. 2:36 PM - B.B - D.N: on the rare, rare occasion when i havent been tired
  14. 2:36 PM - B.B - D.N: when i havent been tired i make a lot of noise anyway
  15. 2:36 PM - B.B - D.N: i take advantage of it and enjoy it till it goes away
  16. 2:36 PM - TWrecks: Yeah but you know my opinion on this already
  17. 2:36 PM - TWrecks: School is overrated
  18. 2:37 PM - TWrecks: Hard work and a friendly demeanor is the only thing that will allow you to succeed as an adult
  19. 2:37 PM - TWrecks: People don't judge you based on your qualifications
  20. 2:37 PM - B.B - D.N: what if i was retarded?
  21. 2:37 PM - TWrecks: What if you were?
  22. 2:37 PM - B.B - D.N: yeah
  23. 2:37 PM - TWrecks: A lot of people are retarded, but they succeed anyways.
  24. 2:37 PM - B.B - D.N: who?
  25. 2:37 PM - TWrecks: Well I didn't do well in school
  26. 2:38 PM - TWrecks: I did so poorly that I did infact drop out
  27. 2:38 PM - TWrecks: I would consider my life so far to be a success
  28. 2:38 PM - B.B - D.N: ah so you're using a subjective scale right
  29. 2:38 PM - B.B - D.N: ?
  30. 2:38 PM - B.B - D.N: that you've succeeeded because you'er doing what you want and you're progressing nicely
  31. 2:38 PM - TWrecks: Well actually I would argue that you are using a subjective scale
  32. 2:39 PM - TWrecks: You are saying that intelligence is the most important thing about success
  33. 2:39 PM - TWrecks: I disagree
  34. 2:39 PM - B.B - D.N: everybody would be using a subjective scale
  35. 2:39 PM - B.B - D.N: success is attached to your definition of success
  36. 2:39 PM - B.B - D.N: your definition of life
  37. 2:39 PM - B.B - D.N: your definition of meaning
  38. 2:39 PM - B.B - D.N: not at all
  39. 2:39 PM - B.B - D.N: i posed to you a question
  40. 2:39 PM - B.B - D.N: i never claimed that intelligence is the be all and end all
  41. 2:39 PM - B.B - D.N: i think you need to at least have some of it in order to generally succeed, sure
  42. 2:40 PM - TWrecks: And yet you canstantly worry about it. So much that it keeps you awake at night.
  43. 2:40 PM - B.B - D.N: but extremely retarded?
  44. 2:40 PM - B.B - D.N: that is the question
  45. 2:40 PM - B.B - D.N: well yeah twrecks
  46. 2:40 PM - B.B - D.N: i do constantly worry about it
  47. 2:40 PM - B.B - D.N: intelligence makes me feel unique
  48. 2:40 PM - TWrecks: Our society is capable enough to look after people with disabilities
  49. 2:40 PM - B.B - D.N: without it i dont feel very unique
  50. 2:40 PM - B.B - D.N: i'm not concerned with how our society can look after the mentally afflicted
  51. 2:41 PM - TWrecks: Ok so then, to you uniqueness is the crucial part of success?
  52. 2:41 PM - B.B - D.N: it's if they can get to a certain point within an applicable amount oft ime that doesnt exceed lifespan
  53. 2:41 PM - B.B - D.N: personally, i think it's possible but it would take a prodigious amount of work to the point it might be unrealistic
  54. 2:41 PM - B.B - D.N: well no man
  55. 2:41 PM - B.B - D.N: it depends again what you perceive as success
  56. 2:41 PM - B.B - D.N: personally i want to bring something completely new and creative to the world
  57. 2:41 PM - B.B - D.N: if i fail to do that, then i would consider myself unsuccessful
  58. 2:41 PM - B.B - D.N: unique people tend to produce unique thoughts and unique perspectives
  59. 2:42 PM - B.B - D.N: with that being said, with the right deterministic experiences one can experience, that might lead to an equation of conglomerated events that might lead to an ingenius idea regardless of your intelligence
  60. 2:42 PM - TWrecks: Ok I get what you are saying. I disgree because I think that humans are inherently unique from one another.
  61. 2:42 PM - B.B - D.N: of course they are
  62. 2:42 PM - B.B - D.N: im saying the amount of uniqueness
  63. 2:42 PM - TWrecks: Even people with the same genes are different from one another
  64. 2:43 PM - B.B - D.N: if the only thing separating me from a jock is my odd childhood and the fact i like to take long walks on the beach for example
  65. 2:43 PM - B.B - D.N: of course
  66. 2:43 PM - B.B - D.N: i never said otherwise
  67. 2:43 PM - B.B - D.N: everybody is inherently unique
  68. 2:43 PM - B.B - D.N: it just depends how unique and special they are
  69. 2:43 PM - B.B - D.N: albert einstein was unique
  70. 2:43 PM - B.B - D.N: you never had many people like him running around did you?
  71. 2:44 PM - B.B - D.N: a person of average intelligence that's boring would be rather generic
  72. 2:44 PM - B.B - D.N: still unique, but not as unique as other people would be
  73. 2:44 PM - B.B - D.N: it's about psychological programming
  74. 2:44 PM - B.B - D.N: and how much it coincides with general programming with other peoples psychologies
  75. 2:44 PM - B.B - D.N: now, with that being said
  76. 2:44 PM - TWrecks: You know I find this world view of yours somewhat amusing
  77. 2:44 PM - TWrecks: You judge yourself based on a scale of intelligence
  78. 2:45 PM - B.B - D.N: everybody can experience different stimuli in different orders and by extension be deterministically formed off the basis of the previously mentioned stimuli
  79. 2:45 PM - TWrecks: Why does that have value to you?
  80. 2:45 PM - B.B - D.N: knowledge is power
  81. 2:45 PM - B.B - D.N: what good is power if you dont have the mind to properly use it and control it?
  82. 2:45 PM - B.B - D.N: intelligence is poweful
  83. 2:45 PM - B.B - D.N: and it can be used and applied to in as many ways as you can think of
  84. 2:45 PM - TWrecks: Ok. So you compare yourself to others on the basis of power
  85. 2:45 PM - B.B - D.N: it's a versatile tool
  86. 2:46 PM - B.B - D.N: no
  87. 2:46 PM - B.B - D.N: im just saying what it can be used against
  88. 2:46 PM - B.B - D.N: like
  89. 2:46 PM - B.B - D.N: if a king has lots of soldiers
  90. 2:46 PM - B.B - D.N: and you have the guile to politically manipulate them and attack their monarch
  91. 2:46 PM - B.B - D.N: ther's no point in having power if you're gonna have it used against you
  92. 2:46 PM - B.B - D.N: if you dont have the intelligence to properly utilize your troopers and prevent a rebellion through methodical planning and good decisions
  93. 2:47 PM - TWrecks: Lol so essentially your definition of success is being a good tyrant
  94. 2:47 PM - B.B - D.N: my definition of success is achieving what i think makes me the most happy
  95. 2:47 PM - B.B - D.N: and the most forfilled with my life
  96. 2:47 PM - B.B - D.N: that's the mots general definition i can come up with
  97. 2:47 PM - B.B - D.N: in this case
  98. 2:47 PM - TWrecks: Ok.
  99. 2:47 PM - B.B - D.N: like i said before
  100. 2:47 PM - B.B - D.N: it would be presenting something creative
  101. 2:47 PM - B.B - D.N: and new to the world
  102. 2:47 PM - TWrecks: That is called nhilism. It is an intensly logical way of looking at the world in the absense of God.
  103. 2:47 PM - TWrecks: Lol.
  104. 2:48 PM - B.B - D.N: im not nihilistic
  105. 2:48 PM - B.B - D.N: i think there's meaning to life
  106. 2:48 PM - B.B - D.N: it's just the meaning i give it that makes it meaningful
  107. 2:48 PM - B.B - D.N: life isn't pointless
  108. 2:48 PM - B.B - D.N: we give it points
  109. 2:48 PM - B.B - D.N: life's point is to survive and thrive
  110. 2:48 PM - TWrecks: So from that you deduce that you getting the most pleasure and success is the meaning of life?
  111. 2:48 PM - B.B - D.N: satisfaction, but that's the definition of success on my life
  112. 2:49 PM - B.B - D.N: but if we are to talk about this logically
  113. 2:49 PM - B.B - D.N: our meaning of life would change relatively from each action we take that directly influences us as an individual and by extension our meaning of life
  114. 2:49 PM - B.B - D.N: what i mean by that is, who we are as a person and what we mean as a person
  115. 2:49 PM - B.B - D.N: but yeah not to be confusing but
  116. 2:50 PM - B.B - D.N: i think generally the meaning of life for most people is to live the most fullfilling, satisfying and most enjoyable life
  117. 2:50 PM - B.B - D.N: for some that means getting an education and getting a good job
  118. 2:50 PM - B.B - D.N: for others that means getting laid
  119. 2:50 PM - B.B - D.N: for others that means being pioused
  120. 2:50 PM - TWrecks: Yeah I understand this perspective. I just don't think it is a good one. Basically using this set of logic you can't say that someone is wrong to do something with any traction.
  121. 2:50 PM - TWrecks: I mean
  122. 2:50 PM - TWrecks: You can believe subjectively that what someone else is doing is wrong
  123. 2:50 PM - TWrecks: But for them it is right
  124. 2:51 PM - TWrecks: Because for them it is the meaning of their life
  125. 2:51 PM - B.B - D.N: i can say what somebody is doing is wrong
  126. 2:51 PM - B.B - D.N: if it obstructs the sanctity of nature not taking its course, then i can say that's wrong
  127. 2:51 PM - B.B - D.N: that killing somebody is wrong
  128. 2:51 PM - B.B - D.N: for intsance
  129. 2:51 PM - TWrecks: Thus I would argue that everything about our world is objective in some measure
  130. 2:51 PM - B.B - D.N: no you would argue that everything is subjective by some measure from what you said
  131. 2:51 PM - B.B - D.N: that everybody has subjective principles and evrybody thinks different things are subjectively right
  132. 2:52 PM - B.B - D.N: i can say what somebody is doing is wrong because that's my opinion
  133. 2:52 PM - B.B - D.N: that's what i subjectively believe
  134. 2:52 PM - TWrecks: Ok but I believe that I can be wrong
  135. 2:52 PM - TWrecks: Because I believe that everything about our world is subjective
  136. 2:52 PM - TWrecks: objective*
  137. 2:52 PM - B.B - D.N: even science?
  138. 2:52 PM - TWrecks: LOL
  139. 2:52 PM - B.B - D.N: oh
  140. 2:52 PM - B.B - D.N: lol
  141. 2:52 PM - B.B - D.N: right
  142. 2:52 PM - B.B - D.N: yeah that makes senes
  143. 2:52 PM - B.B - D.N: when you think about it
  144. 2:52 PM - B.B - D.N: sense*
  145. 2:52 PM - B.B - D.N: the objective causes the subjective
  146. 2:52 PM - B.B - D.N: and objectively you possess subjective thoughts
  147. 2:53 PM - B.B - D.N: so objectively the subjective is the objective
  148. 2:53 PM - TWrecks: Yeah
  149. 2:53 PM - TWrecks: Which is basically my definition of god for the record
  150. 2:53 PM - B.B - D.N: fair enough
  151. 2:53 PM - B.B - D.N: it'd be cool if we could have an audience to debate
  152. 2:53 PM - B.B - D.N: that'd be interesting
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