<Dusty> so mister aimcac here thinks FBI and AF are not worthy of officiality anymore, what do you guys think?
<Arran> I think it's good that he's in no position of power
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<Annex2> do you need to be Los_Crackos to be worthy
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<Balfat> halo
<Aimcac> I think my thoughts should remain thoughts and not public statements
<Kavzor> shared thoughts *
<Dusty> http://pastebin.com/4qb3SN5b
<Ex_TcR> dusty
<Dusty> looks public to me
<Ex_TcR> well
<Ex_TcR> first of all, Official Law Groups should be a bit different
<Aimcac> sue me
<Aimcac> no more freedom of speech
<Ex_TcR> as in our last meeting, Dimit's words made me feel like that
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<Ex_TcR> A lot of perks which were supposed to be restricted to Official Law Groups are being given to Community Law groups @Aimcac
<Ex_TcR> what else do you want?
<MasHuPPer> hello guys.
<Ex_TcR> hi
<Ex_TcR> and Dusty
<Aimcac> i think official groups should be more like a status and not a perk center
<Dusty> yo
<Aimcac> take criminal groups for example, they only have a job. No one's raging
<Ex_TcR> FBI is going perfectly fine i believe
<MasHuPPer> Well, that's true
<Ex_TcR> aimcac
<Ex_TcR> we're discussing things for cops
<Ex_TcR> criminal groups also have criminal representatives
<Ex_TcR> they barely visit forums
<Ex_TcR> they only visit ingame CEs etc
<Snipe> One of the reasons why official law groups lost quite a few members was the loss of official the unique group features
<Aimcac> because they're criminals
<Ex_TcR> they're supposed to make suggestions which'll improve Criminal side
<Snipe> You're judging us by the forum activity
<Aimcac> snipe you just said it yourself
<Ex_TcR> true @snipe
<Aimcac> people join you because of perks
<Ex_TcR> nope
<Aimcac> did you or did you not say that
<Ex_TcR> those perks are given to us because we've worked for years
<Snipe> Despite what I said, law groups are still holding up pretty well
<Ex_TcR> and made a grace
<Ex_TcR> as well as reputation
<Aimcac> what about criminal groups?
<Ex_TcR> so yeh, official groups deserves them
<Ex_TcR> aimcac
<Aimcac> perks should not be restricted to specific groups alone.
<Ex_TcR> are you a criminal?
<Ex_TcR> aimcac it is supposed to be
<Aimcac> Listen
<Zach> Oh, it's one of these discussions lel
<Aimcac> You give a group of people guns and you give the rest swords and you tell them to go to war
<Aimcac> you tell people to apply for any of the above groups
<Aimcac> which do you think they'll apply for?
<Aimcac> i thought so
<Ares> The one with swords
<Snipe> To the group that shows it activity and proves that it's worthy of applying for
<Aimcac> Don't take it literal
<Ex_TcR> aim
<Aimcac> forget cit now, it's an example
<Kavzor> why don't you bring this discussion to the proper board?
<Kavzor> "rise it to those who it concerns"
<Ex_TcR> what if both o fthose groups has started their journey with so called "swords"
<Aimcac> uh no
<Aimcac> sapd,swat,af,fbi were always official
<Aimcac> so they started with guns, kappa
<Ex_TcR> and then 1 showed awesome performance and the second one didnt worked at all
<Ex_TcR> work*
<Dusty> all of those groups were 'created' by the staff team
<Aimcac> read what i said
<Ex_TcR> they've been in here since yers
<Ex_TcR> years*
<Ex_TcR> they are still maintained
<Ex_TcR> so yeh, they deserved it
<Aimcac> doesn't change the fact of the question
<Ex_TcR> swat lol.. these groups are actually honorary Official imo
<Ex_TcR> they're the base groups of CIT
<Snipe> I guesss we need topics like ''Rate the twat above you'' to be considered active
<Ex_TcR> lol
<Snipe> Because last time I checked, the important ones like
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<Aimcac> People will always apply for the group that has guns
<Aimcac> no matter how active the swordsmen are, you know it.
<Ex_TcR> was just saying .. i mean, those groups were the first contribution towards CIT Groups
<Ex_TcR> and they were Example for others
<Aimcac> envy
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<Ex_TcR> ever since the beginning
<FalconHawk> Ex_TcR> A lot of perks which were supposed to be restricted to Official Law Groups are being given to Community Law groups
<FalconHawk> True ^
<Kavzor> you mean longest?
<Tobyy> hi there
<FalconHawk> people don't want to join official groups anymore because their perks are not as much as it used to be
<Ex_TcR> yeh..
<Aimcac> what i'm trying to say is that everyone should be given a gun
<Aimcac> You are all stating the fact... people join you because of your perks
<Ex_TcR> like SWAT, AF, SAPD etc are someone the first groups
<Snipe> Aimcac official and non-official groups are pretty much on the same level anyway
<Aimcac> not because of what you do
<Ex_TcR> yeh
<Snipe> You have access to the vehicles we have access to
<FalconHawk> I'm sad about that official group founders/leaders who worked a lot to make their group official and not their all perks are falling down
<Snipe> Most of the skins
<FalconHawk> Still its harder to join an official group instead of a community group
<Snipe> You can have bases
<Aimcac> You can spawn barriers,access to a group job, swat skin/fbi skin/af skin, aircraft spawners, big ass bases
<Snipe> Boards
<Zach> sapd, af, swat and fbi are groups that will never die, always have a leader lol
<Dusty> bullshit aimcac
<Aimcac> use teargas.
<FalconHawk> <Dusty> bullshit aimcac
<Snipe> Spawners?
<Dusty> 'aircraft spawners' removed months ago
<Aimcac> helicopters?
<Snipe> You mean shops with vehicles which can be bought from the public vehicle dealers?
<Dusty> removed
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<FalconHawk> DL3s can put barriers as well so its not official group perk
<ZanSlovenia> Can't wait for criminal official groups to be attacked...
<Dusty> we have to PAY for our vehicles
<FalconHawk> LOL zan
<Snipe> Tear gas can be used by everyone now
<Dusty> bet BTP still has free spawners
<Aimcac> shh
<FalconHawk> Golden donators can get chat color so color is not a perk anymore
<FalconHawk> We only have 285 ID skin and FBI skin
<FalconHawk> nothing else than normal players.
<Aimcac> and the army skin
<Aimcac> the best skins
<FalconHawk> yes 287 I guess
<Dusty> yeah same here falcon
<Snipe> Yeah, a couple of skins are a game changer
<Aimcac> We have mathces,swords,knives and you have a gun.
<Snipe> (Sarcasm)
<Dusty> no
<Aimcac> matchetes
<FalconHawk> :fp:
<Ex_TcR> aimcac
<Aimcac> It's an example.
<Ex_TcR> nvm
<Snipe> TO be successful you need good leadership
<Dusty> having a different looking skin isn't a gun
<Ex_TcR> there should still be a Discussion board :D
<Ex_TcR> i believe its needed a bit
<Aimcac> tell that to everyone who applies for you
<FalconHawk> I'm telling you that OFFICIAL groups only have Skins.. nothing else. And I remember (and can guess) how hard was it to achieve official status
<Ex_TcR> cause ministery of fairness is actually filled with community ranks + punishment appeals
<Aimcac> well SKINS are a big thing
<Snipe> Not to mention the fact that we also have blue names now
<FalconHawk> community groups can get awesome looking skins as well...
<Ex_TcR> like we had "General CIT Discussion Board"
<Aimcac> No
<Ex_TcR> yeh
<Aimcac> we can never have the swat skin, af skin or fbi skin.
<Ex_TcR> skin 285 .. NO pls
<Aimcac> because too many official law groups
<Snipe> Good leadership and activity = successful groups
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<Ex_TcR> the last thing we have
<Ex_TcR> is that skin
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<Aimcac> bullshit
<Ex_TcR> plish :<
<FalconHawk> So you're saying the only different between official groups and community groups is 3 skins?
<FalconHawk> Bullshit.
<ZanSlovenia> why are you trying to get rid of some officials just to get your group official?
<Dusty> ^
<Aimcac> ............
<Ex_TcR> ^^
<ZanSlovenia> I don't see any other reason why would you try so hard to get rid of "us"
<Dusty> kinda feel like that is his true intention
<Aimcac> Did I ever say BTP deserves to be official?
<Aimcac> sure attack me
<Ex_TcR> aimcac :3
<ZanSlovenia> I am actually defending myself.
<Aimcac> Its just a game, it's not my life
<Ex_TcR> none is attacking mate
<Kavzor> would it be that bad to open up a review for the official law groups then?
<Aimcac> What I'm trying to say is compared to criminal groups, official law groups are OP and everyone will always want to be OP.
<Aimcac> It's not about removing official groups....
<Dusty> no Kavzor
<Aimcac> you don't get the point do you
<Kavzor> I said review, not removal request
<Ex_TcR> lol
<FalconHawk> criminal groups' officials and law groups' official is not the same thing
<Aimcac> Groups like 5th and 25life exist because the criminal system is somewhat balanced.
<Dusty> but rather than reviewing only 2 groups is bs because aimcac thinks so
<ZanSlovenia> lol
<Aimcac> official criminal groups only get a job and respect which is a big thing
<Snipe> There are far more people that play on the criminal team regularly than on the law
<Dusty> *-rather
<ZanSlovenia> sure is.
<FalconHawk> <Snipe> There are far more people that play on the criminal team regularly than on the law
<FalconHawk> Also criminal groups are not as like law groups
<Aimcac> Can you just shut up and actually read what I'm saying
<ZanSlovenia> its not about the groups then.. its about the opportunities to earn money is greater in criminal than in law life.
<FalconHawk> I read it over and over again to understand your idea
<Aimcac> Explain my idea to me then.
<Kavzor> it's hardly understood lol
<FalconHawk> ^
<Aimcac> What I'm trying to say is
<Aimcac> 1. Official law groups should only have a job not access to special skins like the Official Criminal groups. It'll balance out who applies for who and people will actually join you because you're good not because they want to use perks restricted to you only.
<Aimcac> so if your group is truly good do not be afraid, people will still apply for you.
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<Dusty> what
<ZanSlovenia> no lol
<FalconHawk> Yea balance that : 250 criminal 100 cop...
<FalconHawk> please balance it.
<Snipe> DT, TF and USNS were non-fficial at some point too
<Dusty> wait let me get this straight
<Dusty> why are criminal groups involved now?
<ZanSlovenia> removing skins from official law groups won't make it more popular lol.
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<Snipe> They were given official status
<Dusty> exactly Zan
<Aimcac> yes they were snipe because they could be official
<Aimcac> so they had a goal.
<Snipe> You know why? Activity, good leadership which carried the group
<Aimcac> but now brian says no more official law groups
<Aimcac> So community law groups no longer have goals
<ZanSlovenia> that's Brian's problem then, not yours nor official law groups'
<Dusty> before TF got added as a official group
<Ex_TcR> why not?
<Aimcac> so community law groups need some compensation for that
<Dusty> community groups didnt have a goal either
<Ex_TcR> we have aim to be Elite
<Dusty> but I guess that was before your time
<Aimcac> I don't think you're understanding me.
<ZanSlovenia> I really don't.
<Dusty> <JaMaW> Talked to Brian about it
<Dusty> <JaMaW> Brian wanna remove all Official groups
<Dusty> <JaMaW> And give to any group that is 6 month old semi official a job
<Dusty> <JaMaW> So told him to wait and let's try to Brain storm for other ideas
<FalconHawk> LOL
<Aimcac> as a leader of a community law group and I do not speak alone when i say this. People leave our groups to join official ones just because they have a "job"
<ZanSlovenia> that's fucked lol.
<ZanSlovenia> sorry
<ZanSlovenia> but no.
<FalconHawk> "And give to any group that is 6 month old semi official a job"
<FalconHawk> RIP.
<Aimcac> You should know how that feels, wait you can't
<Aimcac> Right Slimshady?
<Ex_TcR> aimcac
<Ex_TcR> how old is BTP?
<Aimcac> 9
<Aimcac> 9 months
<FalconHawk> go go add job to BTP
<Ex_TcR> 9 centuries ?
<Ex_TcR> aight
<Ex_TcR> listen
<Ex_TcR> DeltaTeam was .. like about 2 years old when we got added as Official
<ZanSlovenia> so uhm camorra which is 3 years old will be on same as BTP which has 9 months? I disagree.
<Aimcac> you don't understand
<ZanSlovenia> or is it more... I don't even know anymore.
<Kavzor> I understand why bri wants to remove official groups if everyone bitches about it like this
<Aimcac> brian said no more official law groups
<FalconHawk> Yes remove all official groups, give job to all community groups
<FalconHawk> give the ability to place barriers to everyone
<Dusty> thats not what he said aimcac
<Aimcac> So we have no goal ex_tcr, if we can't be official why do we still function
<Kavzor> lmao, no goal?
<Aimcac> DT could be official so you worked towards that
<Dusty> WTF
<Kavzor> you mean that being official is the last goal?
<Ex_TcR> who said BTP cant be?
<Dusty> no offence but this is stupid
<Aimcac> no wtf
<Ex_TcR> you barely work
<Dusty> really stupid
<Ex_TcR> but you say this.. all the times
<Kavzor> then please, re-phrase yourself
<Ex_TcR> do works instead mate
<FalconHawk> Community groups were a step to reach official law group. Newbie cops were joining community groups (like BTP MI6 PAT) and learning things about game+law side. When they educated enough, they were applying for official groups.
<Aimcac> ^
<Aimcac> We're stepping stones, people never really take us seriously.
<FalconHawk> I learned law side and game in PAT, joined USNS, just an example
<Ex_TcR> lol true