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  96. archive.org Archive-It Team) is a rogue archivist collective dedicated
  97. to saving copies of rapidly dying or deleted websites for the sake of
  98. history and digital heritage. The group is 100% composed of volunteers
  99. and interested parties, and has expanded into a large amount of related
  100. projects for saving online and digital history.
  101. <p>
  102. History is littered with hundreds of conflicts over the future of a
  103. community, group, location or business that were "resolved" when one of
  104. the parties stepped ahead and destroyed what was there. With the
  105. original point of contention destroyed, the debates would fall to the
  106. wayside. Archive Team believes that by duplicated condemned data, the
  107. conversation and debate can continue, as well as the richness and
  108. insight gained by keeping the materials. Our projects have ranged in
  109. size from a single volunteer downloading the data to a
  110. small-but-critical site, to over 100 volunteers stepping forward to
  111. acquire terabytes of user-created data to save for future generations.
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  113. The main site for Archive Team is at <a href="http://www.archiveteam.org/">archiveteam.org</a> and contains up to the date information on various projects, manifestos, plans and walkthroughs.
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  115. This collection contains the output of many Archive Team projects, both
  116. ongoing and completed. Thanks to the generous providing of disk space by
  117. the Internet Archive, multi-terabyte datasets can be made available, as
  118. well as in use by the <a href="http://archive.org/web/web.php">Wayback Machine</a>, providing a path back to lost websites and work.
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  120. Our collection has grown to the point of having sub-collections for the
  121. type of data we acquire. If you are seeking to browse the contents of
  122. these collections, the Wayback Machine is the best first stop.
  123. Otherwise, you are free to dig into the stacks to see what you may find.
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  125. <b>The Archive Team Panic Downloads</b> are full pulldowns of currently
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  137. ArchiveBot is an IRC bot designed to automate the archival of smaller
  138. websites (e.g. up to a few hundred thousand URLs). You give it a URL to
  139. start at, and it grabs all content under that URL, records it in a
  140. WARC, and then uploads that WARC to ArchiveTeam servers for eventual
  141. injection into the Internet Archive (or other archive sites).
  142. <p>
  143. To use ArchiveBot, drop by #archivebot on EFNet. To interact with
  144. ArchiveBot, you issue commands by typing it into the channel. Note you
  145. will need channel operator permissions in order to issue archiving jobs.
  146. The dashboard shows the sites being downloaded currently.
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  148. There is a dashboard running for the archivebot process at <a href="http://www.archivebot.com/">http://www.archivebot.com</a>.
  149. </p><p>
  150. ArchiveBot's source code can be found at <a href="https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/ArchiveBot">https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/ArchiveBot</a>.
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  223. <li><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim">/r/flightsim</a></p></li>
  224. <li><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/https://www.reddit.com/r/flying">/r/flying</a></p></li>
  225. <li><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/https://www.reddit.com/r/Malaysia">/r/Malaysia</a></p></li>
  226. <li><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/https://www.reddit.com/r/news">/r/news</a></p></li>
  227. <li><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/https://www.reddit.com/r/tomnod370">/r/tomnod370</a> and their up-to-date list of <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/http://www.reddit.com/r/TomNod370/comments/208sry/combined_search_list/">researched tomnod tiles</a></p></li>
  228. </ul>
  229.  
  230. <hr>
  231.  
  232. <p><strong>Other relevant groups/sites</strong></p>
  233.  
  234. <ul>
  235. <li><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/https://www.twitter.com/digitalglobe">DigitalGlobe on Twitter</a></p></li>
  236. <li><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/http://www.inmarsat.com/">Inmarsat</a></p></li>
  237. <li><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/http://www.flightradar24.com/">flightradar24.com</a></p></li>
  238. <li><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/http://www.liveatc.net/">LiveATC.net</a></p></li>
  239. <li><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/http://www.metocean.com/ProdCat.aspx?CatId=1&amp;SubCatId=5&amp;ProdId=4">MetOcean</a> iSLDMB Iridium Self Locating Datum Marker Buoy <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/http://www.metocean.com/Upfiles/Products/PDF/iSLDMB.pdf">.pdf</a></p></li>
  240. <li><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/https://www.facebook.com/groups/280998512054916/">MH370 Searching in Tomnod Facebook group</a></p></li>
  241. <li><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/http://www.pprune.org/">PPRuNe Forum</a></p></li>
  242. <li><p><strong>new</strong> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/https://www.facebook.com/groups/531104733673744/">Tomnod Malaysia Airlines MH370 Mapshare</a></p></li>
  243. <li><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/https://twitter.com/tomnod">Tomnod on Twitter</a> </p></li>
  244. <li><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/http://skyvector.com/">skyvector.com</a></p></li>
  245. <li><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/http://www.vesselfinder.com/">vesselfinder.com</a></p></li>
  246. <li><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/https://twitter.com/WSJAsia/malaysia-airlines-flight/">WSJ Twitter list of reporters actively tweeting about MH370</a></p></li>
  247. </ul>
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  256. delimited, merged data from FlightAware(FAW) and FlightRadar24(FR24).
  257. FlightAware lat/lon data is to 4 places and times are to the nearest
  258. minute, FlightRadar24 lat/lon data is to 2 decimals and they cannot
  259. provide higher resolution, times are to the nearest second. This is
  260. extracted from the raw data. I added the first and last columns.</p>
  261.  
  262. <pre><code>Source Time Lat,Lon Heading Alt (ft) Ground Kts Climb Rate Location
  263. FR24 16:42:47 2.81,101.68 327 1700 200 896 F-WMSA2 Subang Airport, Selangor
  264. FR24 16:43:41 2.86,101.66 353 2600 242 1280 F-WMSA2 Subang Airport, Selangor
  265. FR24 16:44:45 2.93,101.69 26 5400 267 3072 F-WMSA2 Subang Airport, Selangor
  266. FR24 16:45:48 3,101.72 25 8475 280 3072 F-WMSA2 Subang Airport, Selangor
  267. FR24 16:46:48 3.08,101.76 25 10600 314 512 F-WMSA2 Subang Airport, Selangor
  268. FAW 16:47:00 3.1337,101.7844 25 11500 332 1980 WMKK/KUL Kuala Lumpur
  269. FAW 16:47:00 3.1807,101.8068 26 12500 369 2220 WMSA/SZB Subang Airport, Selangor
  270. FR24 16:47:47 3.16,101.8 25 11950 367 2560 F-WMSA2 Subang Airport, Selangor
  271. FAW 16:48:00 3.2351,101.8325 26 14000 376 2640 WMSA/SZB Subang Airport, Selangor
  272. FR24 16:48:45 3.25,101.84 25 14475 377 2816 F-WMSA2 Subang Airport, Selangor
  273. FAW 16:49:00 3.2828,101.8554 26 15400 378 2400 WMSA/SZB Subang Airport, Selangor
  274. FAW 16:49:00 3.3302,101.8781 26 16500 385 2160 WMKF Simpang
  275. FR24 16:49:46 3.35,101.89 25 16925 387 2304 F-WMSA2 Subang Airport, Selangor
  276. FAW 16:50:00 3.3878,101.9058 26 17800 394 2220 WMSA/SZB Subang Airport, Selangor
  277. FAW 16:50:00 3.4286,101.9253 26 18700 396 2160 WMKF Simpang
  278. FR24 16:50:48 3.45,101.94 25 19225 399 2432 F-WMSA2 Subang Airport, Selangor
  279. FAW 16:51:00 3.4807,101.9496 25 19800 402 2160 WMSA/SZB Subang Airport, Selangor
  280. FAW 16:51:00 3.5325,101.9736 25 20900 408 1980 WMSA/SZB Subang Airport, Selangor
  281. FR24 16:51:46 3.55,101.98 25 21275 410 1920 F-WMSA2 Subang Airport, Selangor
  282. FAW 16:52:00 3.5924,102.0018 26 22000 418 1740 WMSA/SZB Subang Airport, Selangor
  283. FAW 16:52:00 3.6466,102.0276 25 22800 426 1800 WMSA/SZB Subang Airport, Selangor
  284. FR24 16:52:48 3.66,102.03 25 23100 426 2560 F-WMSA2 Subang Airport, Selangor
  285. FAW 16:53:00 3.7073,102.0563 25 24000 427 1800 WMSA/SZB Subang Airport, Selangor
  286. FAW 16:53:00 3.763,102.0825 25 24800 433 1560 WMSA/SZB Subang Airport, Selangor
  287. FR24 16:53:47 3.77,102.09 25 24850 434 1536 F-WMSA2 Subang Airport, Selangor
  288. FAW 16:54:00 3.8187,102.1087 25 25600 440 1380 WMSA/SZB Subang Airport, Selangor
  289. FAW 16:54:00 3.874,102.1346 25 26200 448 1260 WMSA/SZB Subang Airport, Selangor
  290. FR24 16:54:48 3.88,102.14 25 26300 448 1280 F-WMSA2 Subang Airport, Selangor
  291. FAW 16:55:00 3.9316,102.1618 25 26900 454 1380 WMSA/SZB Subang Airport, Selangor
  292. FAW 16:55:00 3.9968,102.1926 25 27700 458 1320 WMSA/SZB Subang Airport, Selangor
  293. FR24 16:55:48 4,102.19 25 27675 459 1536 F-WMSA2 Subang Airport, Selangor
  294. FAW 16:56:00 4.074,102.2289 25 28600 465 1320 WMSA/SZB Subang Airport, Selangor
  295. FR24 16:56:45 4.07,102.23 25 28625 464 1280 F-WMSA2 Subang Airport, Selangor
  296. FAW 16:57:00 4.143,102.2615 25 29400 469 1200 WMSA/SZB Subang Airport, Selangor
  297. FR24 16:57:43 4.22,102.3 25 30175 473 1280 T-WMSA8 Subang Airport, Selangor
  298. FR24 16:58:42 4.33,102.35 25 31275 481 1152 T-WMKP2 Penang International Airport, Penang
  299. FR24 16:59:47 4.46,102.41 25 32825 480 2176 T-WMKP2 Penang International Airport, Penang
  300. FR24 17:00:44 4.58,102.47 25 34475 470 1536 T-WMKP2 Penang International Airport, Penang
  301. FAW 17:01:00 4.7015,102.5251 25 35000 468 960 WMKP/PEN Penang International Airport, Penang
  302. FR24 17:01:44 4.7,102.52 25 35000 467 0 T-WMKP2 Penang International Airport, Penang
  303. FAW 17:02:00 4.7073,102.5278 25 35000 468 WMKP/PEN Penang International Airport, Penang
  304. FR24 17:02:37 4.79,102.57 25 35000 468 0 T-WMKP2 Penang International Airport, Penang
  305. FR24 17:03:44 4.94,102.64 25 35000 468 0 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu
  306. FR24 17:04:38 5.04,102.68 25 35000 468 0 T-WMKN1 Kuala Terrenganu
  307. FR24 17:05:44 5.17,102.74 25 35000 468 -128 T-WMKN1 Kuala Terrenganu
  308. FR24 17:06:44 5.29,102.8 25 35000 468 -128 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu
  309. FR24 17:07:38 5.39,102.85 25 35000 469 0 T-WMKN1 Kuala Terrenganu
  310. FR24 17:08:46 5.53,102.92 24 35000 471 -128 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu
  311. FR24 17:09:45 5.65,102.97 25 35000 471 0 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu
  312. FR24 17:10:46 5.77,103.03 25 35000 472 0 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu
  313. FR24 17:11:45 5.89,103.09 25 35000 472 0 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu
  314. FR24 17:12:45 6,103.14 25 35000 472 0 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu
  315. FR24 17:13:45 6.13,103.2 25 35000 472 0 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu
  316. FR24 17:14:46 6.24,103.26 25 35000 472 0 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu
  317. FR24 17:15:45 6.36,103.31 25 35000 472 0 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu
  318. FR24 17:16:45 6.48,103.37 25 35000 473 0 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu
  319. FR24 17:17:39 6.58,103.41 25 35000 473 0 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu
  320. FR24 17:18:39 6.68,103.46 25 35000 473 0 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu
  321. FR24 17:19:28 6.8,103.52 25 35000 474 0 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu
  322. FR24 17:20:35 6.93,103.59 40 0 471 0 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu
  323. FR24 17:21:03 6.97,103.63 40 0 471 0 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu
  324. FAW 17:50:00 6.9298,103.5901 25 35000 471 Bogus point
  325. </code></pre>
  326.  
  327. <p>The last line from FlightAware did not include vertical speed or
  328. reporting station ID and appears to be a typo. The lat/lon for that
  329. point matches the 17:20:35 FlightRadar24 position. If that point were
  330. accurate as-is, and ADS-B was on the whole time, there should be
  331. additional points in the interim since the last FR24 point is beyond
  332. that location.</p>
  333.  
  334. <p>Note that many of the points represent close locations but rounding
  335. of lat/lon and minutes may make them appear closer/further apart. It's
  336. clear from the data that these two data sets are largely from
  337. independent sources and consistent with each other.</p>
  338.  
  339. <p>Here's the ADS-B skyvector of the above (avg speed about 450kts):</p>
  340.  
  341. <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/http://skyvector.com/?ll=5.210576295302156,104.12402344139464&amp;chart=304&amp;zoom=5&amp;plan=A.WM.WMKK:G.2.81,101.68:G.2.86,101.66:G.2.93,101.69:G.3,101.72:G.3.08,101.76:G.3.1337,101.7844:G.3.1807,101.8068:G.3.16,101.8:G.3.2351,101.8325:G.3.25,101.84:G.3.2828,101.8554:G.3.3302,101.8781:G.3.35,101.89:G.3.3878,101.9058:G.3.4286,101.9253:G.3.45,101.94:G.3.4807,101.9496:G.3.5325,101.9736:G.3.55,101.98:G.3.5924,102.0018:G.3.6466,102.0276:G.3.66,102.03:G.3.7073,102.0563:G.3.763,102.0825:G.3.77,102.09:G.3.8187,102.1087:G.3.874,102.1346:G.3.88,102.14:G.3.9316,102.1618:G.3.9968,102.1926:G.4,102.19:G.4.074,102.2289:G.4.07,102.23:G.4.143,102.2615:G.4.22,102.3:G.4.33,102.35:G.4.46,102.41:G.4.58,102.47:G.4.7015,102.5251:G.4.7,102.52:G.4.7073,102.5278:G.4.79,102.57:G.4.94,102.64:G.5.04,102.68:G.5.17,102.74:G.5.29,102.8:G.5.39,102.85:G.5.53,102.92:G.5.65,102.97:G.5.77,103.03:G.5.89,103.09:G.6,103.14:G.6.13,103.2:G.6.24,103.26:G.6.36,103.31:G.6.48,103.37:G.6.58,103.41:G.6.68,103.46:G.6.8,103.52:G.6.93,103.59:G.6.97,103.63">http://skyvector.com/?ll=5.210576295302156,104.12402344139464&amp;chart=304&amp;zoom=5&amp;plan=A.WM.WMKK:G.2.81,101.68:G.2.86,101.66:G.2.93,101.69:G.3,101.72:G.3.08,101.76:G.3.1337,101.7844:G.3.1807,101.8068:G.3.16,101.8:G.3.2351,101.8325:G.3.25,101.84:G.3.2828,101.8554:G.3.3302,101.8781:G.3.35,101.89:G.3.3878,101.9058:G.3.4286,101.9253:G.3.45,101.94:G.3.4807,101.9496:G.3.5325,101.9736:G.3.55,101.98:G.3.5924,102.0018:G.3.6466,102.0276:G.3.66,102.03:G.3.7073,102.0563:G.3.763,102.0825:G.3.77,102.09:G.3.8187,102.1087:G.3.874,102.1346:G.3.88,102.14:G.3.9316,102.1618:G.3.9968,102.1926:G.4,102.19:G.4.074,102.2289:G.4.07,102.23:G.4.143,102.2615:G.4.22,102.3:G.4.33,102.35:G.4.46,102.41:G.4.58,102.47:G.4.7015,102.5251:G.4.7,102.52:G.4.7073,102.5278:G.4.79,102.57:G.4.94,102.64:G.5.04,102.68:G.5.17,102.74:G.5.29,102.8:G.5.39,102.85:G.5.53,102.92:G.5.65,102.97:G.5.77,103.03:G.5.89,103.09:G.6,103.14:G.6.13,103.2:G.6.24,103.26:G.6.36,103.31:G.6.48,103.37:G.6.58,103.41:G.6.68,103.46:G.6.8,103.52:G.6.93,103.59:G.6.97,103.63</a></p>
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  344.  
  345. <p>17:19:28 6.8,103.52 25 <strong>35000</strong> 474 0 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu</p>
  346.  
  347. <p>17:20:35 6.93,103.59 40 <strong>0</strong> 471 0 F-WMKC1 Kota Bharu</p>
  348.  
  349. <p>It seems to lose altitude data first and then speed , when you look at the design of the transponder console on the 777:</p>
  350.  
  351. <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/http://i.imgur.com/RQKWpEL.jpg?1">http://i.imgur.com/RQKWpEL.jpg?1</a></p>
  352.  
  353. <p><strong>ALT RPTG OFF</strong> is after standby so when you're moving
  354. it from the "ON" position to the "OFF" position you would stop
  355. transmitting altitude data but still transmit speed for a brief moment
  356. before everything goes completely. </p>
  357.  
  358. <p>But the difference in no altitude data and no data altogether is just
  359. under a minute and a half, that's a long time for the transponder to be
  360. in <strong>ALT RPTG OFF</strong> , no?</p>
  361.  
  362. <p>What do we know about this data point?</p>
  363.  
  364. <p>17:50:00 6.9298,103.5901 25 35000 471 </p>
  365.  
  366. <p>It comes 30 minutes after the last one?</p>
  367. </div>
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  369. interesting on the missing altitude. I had assumed it was just a data
  370. glitch. Perhaps they initially thought it was turned all the way to
  371. standby then checked again and saw it was on ALT RPTG OFF.</p>
  372.  
  373. <p>The final point is as published at flightaware, but appears to be a
  374. typo. The lat/lon for that point matches the 17:20:35 lat/lon from
  375. flightradar24</p>
  376. </div>
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  378. <p>The final point is as published at flightaware, but appears to be a typo. </p>
  379. </blockquote>
  380.  
  381. <p>Regarding this, i got a question to you. On Duncan Steel there are
  382. considerations discussed, that Viktor would have a very good BFO match
  383. if he only had the plane spending half an hour somewhere before turning
  384. south. He pointed to circling or landing. </p>
  385.  
  386. <p>Other people made the point, that from the Inmarsat data the apparent
  387. loss of the connectivity link (Classic Aero) before 18:03 and the
  388. subsequent restart at 18:25 would be best explained if the plane landed
  389. roughly at 17:50 and started again at 18:26 after restart of engines at
  390. about 18:23 (the time for boot of SDU is 2:40 min).</p>
  391.  
  392. <p>So two different deliberations , each supported by strong evidence,
  393. converge on the same solution, which is a tough signal for its
  394. credibility. Also it would rule out the pi-suicide and would explain how
  395. perpetrators or cargo, or both could leave the plane alive.</p>
  396.  
  397. <p>Therefore i would like to know what happens to ads-b when the plane
  398. landed and all power was shut down. I would guess that there are some
  399. switches being operated in the cockpit and maybe through battery power a
  400. transponder sent a last stored(!) signal to maybe erase a memory. Can
  401. you think of any such event being possible, and then maybe that line was
  402. not a typo?</p>
  403. </div>
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  405.  
  406. <ul>
  407. <li><p>landing doesn't explain loss of comm</p></li>
  408. <li><p>anything could happen during the comm outage periods </p></li>
  409. <li><p>There are constraints from other evidence: If you accept the
  410. 18:02 radar point at Palau Perak, the plane has to get there in time.
  411. If you accept the sat data, the plane has to get to the 18:28 ring on
  412. time. </p></li>
  413. <li><p>If the hijackers left the plane, are you implying that autopilot was used to take off and set a circuitous course for the IO?</p></li>
  414. <li><p>where are the passengers?</p></li>
  415. <li><p>if you take the time of the last flightware line as a typo and
  416. accept it verbatim, the plane was over the ocean at IGARI at 17:50. If
  417. anything, taken as-is, that point is proof against a land and takeoff
  418. scenario. But as I mentioned it's an exact match for the 17:20:35 FR24
  419. point. And there's no other ADS-B data for 30 minutes.</p></li>
  420. </ul>
  421. </div>
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  423. </div>
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  425. <p>landing doesn't explain loss of comm</p>
  426. </blockquote>
  427.  
  428. <p>but would be the best simple explanation for the power outage, the JACCreport was establishing as reason for lost link. </p>
  429.  
  430. <p>your point considering radar data is widely used in the discussion,
  431. but since the reliability of primary radar is very much in question,
  432. even more from great distances. But mainly the radar data would have
  433. needed sort of verification, to be used in a scientific discussion.
  434. Since it was never established that a radar blip was mh370 by whatever
  435. means, we are left to believe only, which makes me very sceptical about
  436. using them. Also radar blips do appear in wargames like in electronic
  437. warfare.</p>
  438.  
  439. <p>If we had kind of plane-jacking here, we would need to see a
  440. rationale in the action of the perpetrators. A landing would at least
  441. give the opportunity to get hold on valuable freight like "mangosteens".
  442. Also if a jacker was present in person he could leave the plane then
  443. unharmed.</p>
  444.  
  445. <p>Autostart would be an issue then. I dont believe in the remote
  446. controlled theory, but my friends from the IT-engineer scene suggested
  447. this scenario instantly without any doubt. They know what they can do,
  448. and mybe an hour on the ground is enough to connect the electronics on
  449. board to a laptop with a remote control software that will start the
  450. plane and then leave it alone . Maybe the position of a runway could be
  451. the key to the course set, because if remote controlled, this control
  452. would lose track within minutes.</p>
  453.  
  454. <p>The status of the passengers is unknown. </p>
  455.  
  456. <p>Someone on duncansteel explained the respective 17:50 line. This
  457. being manually (!) entered only after one month. So completely
  458. misleading. Maybe someone from the circumlocution office wanted to muddy
  459. the waters.</p>
  460. </div>
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  462. <p>landing doesn't explain loss of comm --- but would be the best simple
  463. explanation for the power outage, the JACCreport was establishing as
  464. reason for lost link. </p>
  465. </blockquote>
  466.  
  467. <p>My point is that landing doesn't imply power outage.</p>
  468.  
  469. <blockquote>
  470. <p>but since the reliability of primary radar is very much in question, even more from great distances.</p>
  471. </blockquote>
  472.  
  473. <p>That's not relevant at Palau Perak at a distance of 89nm. The lack of
  474. reliability in that radar point comes from the misstatements from the
  475. Malaysians and the inherent errors in what they displayed to the
  476. families. The 295R200nm is misplotted, and the track, speeds and times
  477. displayed conflict with the preliminary report and other reports about
  478. VAMPI and GIVAL.</p>
  479.  
  480. <blockquote>
  481. <p>Also if a jacker was present in person he could leave the plane then
  482. unharmed.....if remote controlled, this control would lose track within
  483. minutes.</p>
  484. </blockquote>
  485.  
  486. <p>You're not being clear about your theory here. Are you suggesting
  487. that the hijacker(s) left the aircraft but rigged it to lift off on its
  488. own and autopilot to the IO? Or to lift off on a random course? </p>
  489.  
  490. <blockquote>
  491. <p>explained the respective 17:50 line. This being manually (!) entered only after one month.</p>
  492. </blockquote>
  493.  
  494. <p>Interested historically, but it's already been dismissed.</p>
  495. </div>
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  497. that in your scenario MH370 lands at Aceh @ 17:50 UTC but this final
  498. transponder signal places MH370 still north east of IGARI.</p>
  499.  
  500. <p>We are not talking Concorde here. Just a slow old B777. </p>
  501. </div>
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  503. Thanks for merging the most reliable datasets and releasing it. This is
  504. most useful for people like me who has no expertise in data sources;
  505. but can do some decent analysis once reliable data is available. -Unni</p>
  506. </div>
  507. </div></form><ul class="flat-list buttons"><li class="first"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/http://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/28otnj/adsb_data/cid8o9e" class="bylink" rel="nofollow">permalink</a></li></ul></div><div class="child"></div><div class="clearleft"></div></div><div class="clearleft"></div><div class=" thing id-t1_cid65w5 noncollapsed comment " onclick="click_thing(this)" data-fullname="t1_cid65w5"><p class="parent"><a name="cid65w5"></a></p><div class="midcol unvoted"><div class="arrow up login-required" onclick="$(this).show_unvotable_message()" role="button" aria-label="upvote" tabindex="0"></div><div class="arrow down login-required" onclick="$(this).show_unvotable_message()" role="button" aria-label="downvote" tabindex="0"></div></div><div class="entry unvoted"><p class="tagline"><a href="javascript:void(0)" class="expand" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">[–]</a><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/http://www.reddit.com/user/WhatMakesReallySense" class="author may-blank id-t2_gubcq">WhatMakesReallySense</a><span class="userattrs"></span> <span class="score dislikes">0 points</span><span class="score unvoted">1 point</span><span class="score likes">2 points</span> <time title="Sat Jun 21 07:18:17 2014 UTC" datetime="2014-06-21T00:18:17-07:00" class="live-timestamp">8 months ago</time>&nbsp;<a href="javascript:void(0)" class="numchildren" onclick="return togglecomment(this)">(2 children)</a></p><div class="unvotable-message">sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on</div><p></p><form action="#" class="usertext" onsubmit="return post_form(this, 'editusertext')" id="form-t1_cid65w5fs3"><input name="thing_id" value="t1_cid65w5" type="hidden"><div class="usertext-body may-blank-within md-container"><div class="md"><p>17:50 for last line? Typo?</p>
  508. </div>
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  510. me a typo yes. 17:50:00 looks wrong if you consider the data. Is this a
  511. human-created transcription or an actual data dump ? Change the
  512. timestamp to 17:20:00 and then heading 25, altitude 35000, speed 471
  513. would place it consistently between the FR24 plots at 17:19:28 and
  514. 17:20:25.
  515. We don't have plot here for what happened after altitude disappeared
  516. after 17:21.03. And flying at least 28 seconds at 0 altitude and speed
  517. 471 seems odd. To this layman who debugs computer stuffups I would like
  518. to see the following plots and know under what circumstances such
  519. figures could be produced for an expended period. System failure ?
  520. Operator action ?</p>
  521. </div>
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  523. </div>
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  525.  
  526. <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150224052726/http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/806#comment-5956" rel="nofollow">http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/806#comment-5956</a></p>
  527. </div>
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  529. see anything there that hasn't already been covered. I disagree about
  530. aligning the data with the raw sat data. There's a pretty clear track
  531. from two sources that can be used to derive any time during that
  532. interval. There are a number of points that overlap very closely with
  533. the Inmarsat data as-is. </p>
  534. </div>
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  536.  
  537. <blockquote>
  538. <p>FAW 17:50:00 6.9298,103.5901 25 35000 471 </p>
  539. </blockquote>
  540.  
  541. <p>....suggests that MH370 turned back from Ca Mau peninsula, Vietnam and not from IGARI.</p>
  542.  
  543. <p>That poses rather a dilemma for those who claim it flew from IGARI
  544. to Pelau Perak in just 39 minutes to reach the small rocky island at
  545. 18:02 UTC. </p>
  546. </div>
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  548. </div>
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  550. poses a dilemma for walter mitty types who read spy thrillers to
  551. explain the loss of MH370 since MH370 could not be both east of Malaysia
  552. and in the Straits of Malacca at the same time. </p>
  553.  
  554. <p>It is a lazy approach to dismiss the 17:50 UTC transponder return yet
  555. treat unverified and questionable claims of radar sightings as gospel
  556. truth.</p>
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