<Nachos> http://www.girlswithslingshots.com/comic/gws-chaser-595
<loathsomecouple> lol I <3 GWS
<Nachos> me tooo
<loathsomecouple> I met her
<Leftmost> I have never heard of this.
<Nachos> nice!
<Nachos> i tried to get a friend to meet her at comic con but he couldn't find her
<loathsomecouple> it was one of adam and I's first dates :P
<loathsomecouple> he had to talk to me because I was too star-struck
<loathsomecouple> for me*
<Nachos> loathsomecouple, your bananas post is amazing
<loathsomecouple> lol thanks
* Emsy has been up for over 30 minutes...
<loathsomecouple> I was playing on the imgur thing, also "comparing apples to oranges"
<Thallassa> ugh
<loathsomecouple> ?
<Thallassa> it's 11:30 and I haven't actually done any knitting
<loathsomecouple> aww
<Thallassa> how is it 11:30 already this isn't fair :-/
<Nachos> Thallassa i added my support to your request
<Thallassa> :)
<Thallassa> tbh did not expect that to be controversial
<Thallassa> silly old biddies.
<loathsomecouple> yes.
<Nachos> of course someone told me i should have just reported my own post in my situation
<Nachos> (where someone PMed me about a post, directly contrary to the rules of the thread)
<Nachos> the one thing I will agree with Hobbes about is that it isn't in the slightest intuitive that you should just report a post if you want to message the mod team
<loathsomecouple> yeah
<loathsomecouple> but that's not a problem with us having too many mods
<Nachos> yes
<Nachos> that's a problem with ravelry
<Nachos> okay fuck it, i'm having brandy with some ice
<loathsomecouple> ugh, row all fixed.
<Mori-neko> Should I finish the scotch I got as a wedding party gift?
<Mori-neko> (I have a single small pour left of it)
<loathsomecouple> yes
<Nachos> yes
<Emsy> wie shower done :D
<Nachos> drink with me
<Mori-neko> Also, a sigh and a cap on the mod thing - star, in the report thread going 'this is not a slight on starfishwife or whoever modded her', when I explicitly said, a few posts earlier that *I* had done so
<Nachos> which makes our theory seem more likley
<Mori-neko> And I see a difference between random-pattern unofficial KAL (like the sweater KAL or Waiting for Rain or what have you) and the more organized bingo-style KALS
<Nachos> yeah
<Mori-neko> random KALs don't need mod powers. If you're going to the effort and detail to do something more involved, then I think mod is appropriate, given that there isn't a half-mod kind of thing
<Nachos> yup
<Nachos> i agree
<loathsomecouple> there IS a half mod thing
<loathsomecouple> it's called mod
<loathsomecouple> and then admin has ultimate powers
<Mori-neko> Well, yeah
<Mori-neko> But I got jumped on for making that distinction.
<Nachos> yeah
<loathsomecouple> wait, what report thread?
<Mori-neko> loathsomecouple: Mod-only
<loathsomecouple> ahh
<loathsomecouple> I figured, because I saw she didn't post in the main thread
<loathsomecouple> but tbh, it seems like the bulk of everyone agrees with you, mori
<loathsomecouple> at least those who cared enough to comment
<Mori-neko> Yep.
<Mori-neko> So, I'm not going to post any additional things on rav about it, because I'm hoping it can just...die
<Nachos> same
<Nachos> ugh, adulting
<Nachos> i need to figure out how to cancel health insurance
<Nachos> before the end of the month
<loathsomecouple> Mori-neko are the mods in an uproar? I assume the new ones are keeping their mouth shut, since they seem to be on the chopping block
<Nachos> Mostly the mod conversation is star being bitchy and everyone else defending not doing anything
<Nachos> as far as i can tell
<Mori-neko> Yeah, pretty much
<Mori-neko> And SpookyZoo spoke up, but starfishwife didn't
<Mori-neko> This scotch is a bit on the smoky side for me to want a lot of
<Mori-neko> But it's quite tasty
<Nachos> I spilled all my brandy
<Nachos> I decided that meant I shouldn't have more
<Mori-neko> Aww
<Mori-neko> And yeah, that seems like a reasonable conclusion
<Nachos> thankfully not on my computer
<Nachos> it  was a tired spill not a drunk spill but still
<AylaPhone> almost out of riverdale..  what watch now?
<AylaPhone> nachos congrats on first day!
<Nachos> thanks!
<loathsomecouple> lol
<loathsomecouple> AylaPhone I told you
<Mori-neko> https://www.masterofmalt.com/whiskies/kilchoman/kilchoman-2014-release-loch-gorm-whisky/ is what I'm drinking
<loathsomecouple> being bitchy how?
<AylaPhone> also nachos, call insurance directly. if they can't cancel it they will tell you exactly how do
<Leftmost> Mori-neko, sounds like my kinda dram.
<Mori-neko> Leftmost: If you like smoke, then you'd definitely appreciate this
<Nachos> AylaPhone, that's the plan. Just gotta do it
<Leftmost> If I could drink a peat bog...
<AylaPhone> every night I lay out my clothes
<AylaPhone> this involves opening closet for a bit
<AylaPhone> every night Luna sneaks in there
<AylaPhone> and I don't notice >.>
<Mori-neko> Leftmost: Heh. I tend to prefer spicy/smooth to smokey
<Leftmost> Man, taking off my clothes is about all I can muster before bed.
<AylaPhone> sometimes I don't hear her cries for hours... sometimes I only hear shining clawing the door
<AylaPhone> shinobi*
<AylaPhone> not shining.... way less creepy than shining clawing the door o.O
<Leftmost> Are you sure Shinobi isn't saying, "Come and play with us... forever and ever and ever"?
<Nachos> LOL
<AylaPhone> but seriously. need new show plzzzzz
<AylaPhone> hahahahab leftmost
<AylaPhone> also yay cam for strim
<Mori-neko> AylaPhone: Have you watched Abstract?
<AylaPhone> no.... *looks up
<Leftmost> Gonna strim music mostly, I think. I don't think I'm interesting enough to strim games.
<Mori-neko> It's a documentary series about designers
<Mori-neko> No more scotch
<AylaPhone> oooooohhhhhhh
<Nachos> "Flagging a post is just as good as sending a PM, I think, and better, because it’s linked to the area that prompted the problem and all the mods have a chance to see the flag."
<AylaPhone> *downloads to phone
<Nachos> No but that's why we're requesting this feature
<loathsomecouple> yeah
<loathsomecouple> except it's not, because the problem is the PM not the post
<Nachos> yeah
<Nachos> I get the argument that linking back to the post is helpful but
<Mori-neko> Nachos: And that does not address the desire to be able to have the non-mod be able to be involved in the conversation
<Nachos> yeah
<loathsomecouple> nachos, that's what links are for
<Nachos> though, i didn't bring that part up in my argument
<Nachos> the non-mod participating, i mean
<Mori-neko> Because this, for example, should have been a conversation between hobbes and the mod group
<Nachos> yes
<Nachos> honestly, you know the thing about brainstorming?
<AylaPhone> Ok so... that's not gonna get me through another day like today so I need a show to follow that
<Nachos> how if you're brainstorming ideas you shouldn't just shoot things down, you should come up with all the ideas and then pick the best ones later
<loathsomecouple> yes, that is how you brainstorm, nachos
<Nachos> i think that's the reason having feature requests as a forum is a bad idea, rather than just having a "submit request" option
<loathsomecouple> but I don't think that's what the "I love rav" thing is
<Nachos> yeah
<Nachos> it's great for bug reports
<loathsomecouple> I've noticed that people are generally adverse to change.
<AylaPhone> also possible this show will be too engaging for the kind of absentminded attention requirement needed....
<Nachos> yeah
<loathsomecouple> AylaPhone being human
<AylaPhone> yes that loathsome
<AylaPhone> hmmmm
<Nachos> I heard so many people being really pissed about the new header bar
<AylaPhone> Brit or us?
<Nachos> US
<Nachos> people who only use it for occasional pattern searches
<Nachos> anyways, im gonna sleep
<loathsomecouple> like whenever I suggested we have a question bank for the swap, and people were like "just use the signup" and I'm like "mori doesn't want all that crap on there."
<loathsomecouple> night nachos
<AylaPhone> not dl-able
<Nachos> goodnight
<AylaPhone> night nachos
<Mori-neko> AylaPhone: I like the brit one better
<loathsomecouple> but then as soon as another person does it, it hits like a wildfire, and all the sudden it's a good idea
<Mori-neko> But I think I'm an outlier
<loathsomecouple> I don't think it's on netflix that I know of, mori
<AylaPhone> that one IS dl-able
<loathsomecouple> is it?
<loathsomecouple> AylaPhone
<loathsomecouple> if you want the US version, it, uh.... IS dl-able
<loathsomecouple> if you get my drift
<AylaPhone> yeps
<AylaPhone> lolol I mean to my phone loathsome
<loathsomecouple> lol
<loathsomecouple> well you have your laptop
<AylaPhone> trying to keep it simple
<AylaPhone> not for work viewing no... smaller screen bettah
<loathsomecouple> yeah
<AylaPhone> less distraction, less attention
<loathsomecouple> I'd suggest watching the US version, though, eventually.
<loathsomecouple> I think it has way more episodes, too
<AylaPhone> basically, is a delicate balance between enough distraction to keep the part of my brain that only wants to craft and play around and dance about for no reason, busy while the rest of my brain can do work >.>
<AylaPhone> sure for when there's nothing on twitch for watching while I craft :)
<loathsomecouple> lol yes
<AylaPhone> any wwwway, that'll hold me over so now bed <3
<loathsomecouple> lol
<loathsomecouple> night
<AylaPhone> the prep for next day ritual is complete
<loathsomecouple> whoo
<pulcherpuella> evening
<Keilana> hey lovelies, are any of y'all doing the tour de fleece this year? i'm looking for a team or three :)
<Mori-neko> Keilana: There is totally a team on the rav group. I'm not doing it, though
<Keilana> \o/
<Keilana> yaaay
<Keilana> i have set myself a ridiculous goal
<Keilana> spin through 10 lbs of stash fiber, and an entire 5 lb rambouillet fleece
<Mori-neko> That is a lot of spinning
<Keilana> yeeees.
<Keilana> well.
<Mori-neko> ....I think I might need a new pincushion. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LWWXVIB/ref=strm_fun_201_nad_58_4
<Keilana> i acquired someone's stash (legit, like $700 worth of fiber) for a song (and by a song I mean $200) and my stash grew a bit too much ^_^
<Keilana> omg Mori-neko you 100% do
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<loathsomecouple> morning!
<knit_wit> morning!
<Thallassa2> morning!
<Thallassa2> wow they really don't like the idea of being able ot message the moderators.
<loathsomecouple> oh yeah?
<Thallassa2> apparently flagging a post is the *only* correct way to get into contact with moderators and if that isn't obvious it's because your group didn't do a good job of explaining it.
<Ayla> sigh
<Thallassa2> lol
<Thallassa2> at least all the discussion is keeping the thread active = more likely someone will see it.
<Ayla> sometimes people are just fucking morons
<Thallassa2> Ayla, yeah pretty much.
* Ayla glares at manager of box group for being a moron
<Thallassa2> ?
<Thallassa2> :-/
<Ayla> We gave him specs to meet to fit our connector
<Ayla> his tool maker didn't meet the specs
<Thallassa2> :(
<Ayla> he's trying to find ANY way he can to blame us for it
<Thallassa2> hey this is pretty cool o.O https://www.reddit.com/r/food/comments/6ic43b/homemade_ground_chocolate_from_my_yard/
<Thallassa2> that sucks Ayla
<Ayla> it's not gonna work, and it's just proving that he's a moron to everyone else
<loathsomecouple> Thallassa2: they're just cranky and don't want users to be able to bother them
<Ayla> i can't understand why discussing something in private with mods is a bad thing?
<Thallassa2> I dunno. http://www.ravelry.com/discuss/for-the-love-of-ravelry/3640069/1-25
<Thallassa2> the concerns seem to be
<knit_wit> wait, so "it opens up to spam"?
<Ayla> was just about to ask for that link
<knit_wit> ha
<Thallassa2> haha
<loathsomecouple> Thallassa2: they're worried that users will spam them whenever a problem arises.
<Thallassa2> I think the major concerns are basically that these people get a ton of PMs and the report UI is cleaner, as well as they like having all the moderation sutff in one place
<Thallassa2> loathsomecouple, imo that's just part of being a mod?
<Thallassa2> like...
<loathsomecouple> though, I do agree. If Rav had a multi-message function, this would be moot because you COULD group message the mods
<Thallassa2> yeah.
<Thallassa2> multi-message function would be cool.
<Thallassa2> And rav has a pretty good handle on spam.
<loathsomecouple> Thallassa2: you could totally have the message the mods shit show up in the same place as all the reports do
<Thallassa2> if a user is abusing the message the mods functiont hat's grounds for a removal from rav
<Thallassa2> loathsomecouple, you mean like it is on other forums? *eyeroll*
<loathsomecouple> yes
<Thallassa2> I think these ladies have never moderated any other forum
<Thallassa2> and they don't want to do any real work
<loathsomecouple> and not in their personal inbox, which is what they seem to be worried about
<Thallassa2> (because tbh moderating ravelry is insane)
<knit_wit> ^
<Thallassa2> (insanely *easy*)
<Thallassa2> (except when someone manufactures drama. Or you're moderating a group that revolves around drama *cough cough* and you need to keep it on a leash)
<knit_wit> I'm eyerolling
<loathsomecouple> I halped
<Thallassa2> thanks <3
<Thallassa2> I mean I think it's obvious at this point that rav as a whole doesn't want this feature. which is fine.
<loathsomecouple> "rav as a whole" means like 20 cranky ladies who hate change
<knit_wit> Right
<knit_wit> lolol
<Thallassa2> It doesn't impact me, if I need to contact all them mods of hte group I'm in at once... I just ping 'em in here....
<Thallassa2> ;)
<loathsomecouple> lol
<loathsomecouple> well we only have 2 mods that I know of
<Mori-neko> Yeah, nachos and I are the only mods that hang out in here
<Mori-neko> But, I'm effectively the group owner, sooo :P
<Thallassa2> why doesn't half2happy hang out in here? :P
<loathsomecouple> Mori-neko: then demote star so she stops starting shit
<Thallassa2> ...
<loathsomecouple> make all her paranoid dreams come true
<Thallassa2> loathsomecouple, that sounds ...
<Mori-neko> loathsomecouple: Give me evidence.
<loathsomecouple> lol
<Thallassa2> lol
<loathsomecouple> I'm kidding
<Thallassa2> I would hope so.
<Mori-neko> I'm not.
<loathsomecouple> Mori-neko already suggested that and I told her not to
<Thallassa2> I post stalked star last night and couldn't find any evidence of her supposed misdeeds.
<loathsomecouple> but she does have a point. "with evidence."
<Mori-neko> If I had actual evidence that she's behind creating drama, bullying, or otherwise abusing her powers, then I will demote her.
<Mori-neko> But I do not.
<Thallassa2> but if it's all happening on GW and in super seecret irc channel then....
<loathsomecouple> Thallassa2: I believe she was only accused of reading posts and clicking the disagree button, neither of which you would see
<Thallassa2> evidence will not appear.
* Thallassa2 considers trying to get into the GW guild.
<loathsomecouple> she was the only actual mod complaining about the number of mods
<Thallassa2> lol
<Thallassa2> well you know.
<Mori-neko> Thallassa2: I actually am in it, I just rarely play
<loathsomecouple> circumstantial at best
<Mori-neko> Or, I was last time I logged in
<Thallassa2> Mori-neko, I could leave it open in the background...?
<Thallassa2> but I don't have time for another MMO and stupid rav drama isn't worth $40 or whatever GW costs nowadays.
<Ayla> OMG flagging a post sounds like turning it in for wrong doing, not an intuitive way to converse with mods
<Mori-neko> GW2 is actually a really fun game
<Thallassa2> yeah
<loathsomecouple> Thallassa2: what does it sound like? like I'm being petty and she's not paranoid? Ironic, no? :P
<Ayla> why are people not understanding that?
<Thallassa2> but so is ESO. and I'm very invested in ESO.
<Mori-neko> Ayla: Also, it does not allow one to *converse* with mods
<loathsomecouple> it's a one-way street
<Thallassa2> moderators dont'w ant to talk to their users
<Thallassa2> that's what I'm getting out of this.
<loathsomecouple> but I think that's what they're so cranky about. they don't WANT a two-way street
<Mori-neko> It allows the flagger to say something once, and then the mods have a conversation in private.
<Thallassa2> also they're a bunch of lazy bums.
<Thallassa2> if it were coded well, like the *new* reddit system
<Thallassa2> it'd be in a seperate area
<Thallassa2> and it would allow both private mod PMs and back and forth with the user all in the same htread
<Thallassa2> of course my fellow mods can't figure that first one out
<Thallassa2> can't tell you how many times they sent a private message and thought the user could see it
<Thallassa2> ... or the other way around.
<catastrophi> Thallassa2: one of mine can't figure that out on reddit either
<catastrophi> but most of us can
<catastrophi> so it works well enough
<catastrophi> the other person still posts to our mod forum instead of starting a mod conversation
* Ayla is technically in GW2 guild... but they never say nasty things when she's there so...
<Thallassa2> catastrophi, out of four moderators active in modmail 2 of them can't figure out the difference between private mod notes and the normal ones...
<Thallassa2> lol
<catastrophi> doh
<Thallassa2> Ayla, I doubt they would when I was there either.
<Thallassa2> all of them can figure out how to start a new modmail chain though so that's good.
<Ayla> super secret irc is the only place where you'd get proof anyway bc logs
<Thallassa2> it's just when we're discussing a ban...
<Ayla> and honestly... I think this whole things is just... pointless
<catastrophi> well i think one of the mods has had that issue with other subs because they started a private note with "THIS IS A PRIVATE MODERATOR NOTE"
<Thallassa2> Ayla, well you could take screenshots in GW. if they talked about it when you're online.
<Ayla> the whole argument was lame in the first place
<Ayla> it's voice chat Thallassa2,
<Thallassa2> and screenshots are harder to manipulate than text logs.
<Thallassa2> ooh.
<Ayla> not type chat during gw2
<Thallassa2> >:9
<Thallassa2> k nvm
<Mori-neko> And it's a sekret Slack
<Ayla> ah yeah slack
<Thallassa2> well I'm never gonna get in.
<Ayla> idk... I think that if anyone is instigating, it'll come out on it's own
<loathsomecouple> she seems to be puupuu overruled, so hopefully it'll die off
<Ayla> and the rest of this could be handled by a mod post of, don't fucking cause drama like this, if you have an issue with moderation tactics please contact the mods about it
<Thallassa2> lol
<Ayla> if it's a big enough deal, they'll be willing to message every mod
<Thallassa2> I mean really hobbes should know better.
<Ayla> ^
<Thallassa2> and hobbes should also be able to tell which moderators are active and which aren't.
<loathsomecouple> she should.
<Thallassa2> I mean if it was some newbie dumbass I'd excuse it
<loathsomecouple> and it's not like she doesn't have other ways of contacting the mods
<Thallassa2> but hobbes knew exactly what she was doing.
<loathsomecouple> thankfully it seems to have backfired
<Thallassa2> lol
<Ayla> I think it's ridiculous that anyone in our group would start shit on the forums anyway. I mean healthy discussion is one thing, but accusations and snarkiness is just... unecesssary and unwarrented
<loathsomecouple> I mean, she couched it as healthy discussion. but it was completely and utterly pointless
* Ayla doesn't appreciatee incredibly intelligent adults acting like petulant children who don't wanna share the sandbox
<loathsomecouple> ^
<loathsomecouple> I feel like a call-out like that is completely unfounded unless something has come to pass. which it hasn't.
<loathsomecouple> if hobbes had reported something, and no one had gotten around to it, that would be bad
<Ayla> aand if I was mmore of the "get involved in the drama" type, I'd post that
<Ayla> but I'm not
<Ayla> so I'm just gonna bitch here :P
<loathsomecouple> ^
<loathsomecouple> that's why I kept my post to strictly scientific facts
<loathsomecouple> and a banana
<Ayla> lol
<Ayla> anyway... tummy is still the angry, brb
<Thallassa2> mmm bananas.
<loathsomecouple> lol half2happy pm'd me about my banana for scale :P
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<knit_wit> did she?  I loved the banana for scale
<loathsomecouple> lol it was good, knit_wit
<loathsomecouple> she said it was a good point about how ravelry is different than reddit
<Thallassa2> jesus christ
<Thallassa2> "It's never been the case that a user needs ot have a discussion with all the mods in PM"
<Thallassa2> MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN RIGHT NOW
<Thallassa2> instead it happens in public forum threads which is *obviously* superior (not)
<loathsomecouple> uh, obviously it is as we wouldn't have brought it up if it didn't
<Thallassa2> "First day back from vacation and I’m training someone who can barely speak English because the francophone is “too busy.”
<Thallassa2> Also the student seems kind of dumb because when I asked what should be in the bottle we’re going to use they knew what solution should be there but didn’t have any of it made up…" XD
<Thallassa2> story of my life right there ^
<catastrophi> An example of being able to have mods pm a user was when I did my last bingomg submission I didn't have wip pics on the project pages
<catastrophi> Both h2h and spookyzoo pm'd me about it seperately
<catastrophi> And it wasn't until it was resolved that they knew that both of them had pm'd me
<catastrophi> So I was s3nding double messages essentially
<loathsomecouple> very annoying
<catastrophi> And they were too
<catastrophi> It wasn't a big deal to me
<loathsomecouple> but totally could have been simpler!
<catastrophi> Just...an example of where it would have been nice to have the feature
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<loathsomecouple> ugh, it would totally be possible to limit "group PMs" to mods only, you dumbass old ladies
<loathsomecouple> who can't even take a proper selfie
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<loathsomecouple> leggos!
<Thallassa2> lol
<Thallassa2> the mod who is most against my request is in BID
<Thallassa2> which is a forum that literally has an entire thread for asking all the moderators things, and additional threads for asking the moderators things get started at least once a week
<Thallassa2> and somehow doesn't see how this would be useful.
<loathsomecouple> sigh
<Thallassa2> I'm not sure why I bother.
<catastrophi> Also, mods can totally ignore a mail if it doesn't need a reply
<Thallassa2> This isn't even something that would impact me. It would be a quality of life improvement for the very people who are arguing against it
<Thallassa2> if they're too stupid to see that it's no skin off my back.
<loathsomecouple> you can lead a horse to water...
<loathsomecouple> it's because ravelry is not run by very tech-savvy people
<catastrophi> Fill their brains with worms!
<Thallassa2> this just confirms my decision not to participate in the forums any of those biddies moderate.
<loathsomecouple> they're old ladies who dislike change.
<catastrophi> >.>
<Thallassa2> catastrophi, and if it's abusing the system (aka spam) then... you know, ban them
<Thallassa2> and put the person on ignore so they can't keep spamming
<loathsomecouple> Thallassa2: if they are going to use it to spam, they are probably already spamming
<loathsomecouple> so what's the difference
<Thallassa2> eh
<Thallassa2> lots of users don't spam normally but harass the moderators.
<Thallassa2> on reddit users tend to use reports to abuse the moderators since it's anonymous.
<loathsomecouple> you can't disagree with my post because you don't like that I proved you wrong. I'm right.
<Thallassa2> But it's trivial to deal witht hat problem. > tell admins > admins go "oh ok we dealt with it" > no longer have to deal with people calling me cunt in reports. ezy peazy
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<Thallassa2> http://www.ravelry.com/discuss/for-the-love-of-ravelry/3640069/26-50?jump=37#37 smh
<Thallassa2> I once read that someone used to read "smh" as "so much hate" rather than "shaking my head" because when it's used, both would usually fit
<Thallassa2> so I always use it to mean both at once.
<Thallassa2> it's perfect. :)
<loathsomecouple> dumb
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<Thallassa2> ok
<Thallassa2> just need to ignore further replies.
<Thallassa2> I can do that.
* Thallassa2 steels herself.
<knit_wit> "But someone on the internet is wrong!"
<knit_wit> :D
<Thallassa2> there's probably a button for that on the thread somewhere right?
<Thallassa2> if not
<Thallassa2> need to make one.
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<rleggos|work> (hi loathsomecouple! sorry am at work)