dotaazn dotaazn@aim.com to me
show details 6/10/09
7:05 PM
dotaazn: holy shit

I just had the worst feeling of vertigo ever

me: i get that every second

lol

dotaazn: so I took a nap at like 5

and woke up at 7:30, right

and I get up
7:06 PM
and I'm like shit it's 7:30 I overslept

me: haahahaaha

dotaazn: I get dressed, grab my shit

walk out without saying anything to save time

I get in my car, start it

start driving

and I'm really hungry

I'm like

did i sleep through dinner?

half of the way to school i'm bargaining with myself if I wanna buy breakfast at frank's
7:07 PM
me: hahahahaha

dotaazn: I keep looking down at the clock in my car

and it's a 12-hour clock with no AM/PM

me: heh

dotaazn: the amount of light in the sky is about the same as it is in AM

it is perfectly convincing that it is 7:30am

so I get to the school

the first thing that strikes me is that there's no traffic guard

which isn't abnormal, there wasn't one this morning
7:08 PM
so I pull into McElwain street

the second thing that I notice is that

as I'm going around the turn

there's no cars lined up there

and then

as I come around the turn at the end of it

I notice

there's no one in the skate park

and I'm like

Is today a day off or something?

do Juniors get to park in the senior lots?

so I start driving to school

to the sr lots
7:09 PM
Then it hits me almost all the way to the senior lot

It might be 7:30pm

I drive by the clock

it says 7:50pm

I pull out my DS, fire it up

18:51pm

er

18:51

I was like

fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

me: 19:51*

and hahahahahahahaha

thats amazing!
7:11 PM
dotaazn: on the plus side

I now have +12 hours

I was like shit shit I haven't read the chapter that's due today in ENglish

me: i cant believe you did that

some people i cou

could*

cut you

honestly

lol

but*
9 minutes
7:21 PM
me: and you totally ditched me on tf2 for l4d
38 minutes
7:59 PM
me: guess what cady just said
8:00 PM
dotaazn: ?
8:01 PM
me: she said

"stop stealing all my friends"

cause

shes like

did you see what jake greenleaf did?

and I said

yeah

dotaazn: lol

me: he told me the whole story

and she said

"stop stealing all my friends"

lol

dotaazn: :-p
8:03 PM
me: i decided...ill start the ebook things in the summer

and all the other stuff you told me
8:04 PM
dotaazn: mm

also I didn't get to tell you why not to use the "can god make a rock so heavy..."

me: i was thining of that

i dont even get teh question

lol
8:05 PM
dotaazn: In response to a theist saying that God is all powerful

i.e. able to do anything

then a contradiction would be something that he can't do

i.e. be unable to lift a rock

so

Can God, a being who can do anything, make a rock that by definition he can't lift?

Answer is no, but it's not for an obvious reason
8:06 PM
me: Explain or you do that on friday?

dotaazn: oh yeah you're in my lunch on Friday

we talk about religion for like 10 mins every lunch usually

me: haha

dotaazn: and it's usually like "so and so is a retard..."

where so and so is a philosopher of religion

like Anselm, Aquinas, Spinoza

etc
8:07 PM
me: lol

when will you explain it to me?

dotaazn: when ever youw ant?

when ever you want?
8:08 PM
me: id say now if i wasnt going to take a shower

dotaazn: k

after, then

me: alright
8:11 PM
and i really got get 100 quick for that valve full pack, especially for l4d

i really love that game

taking out my anger

lol

brb shower for real

dotaazn: k
9 minutes
8:20 PM
me: back.

but i want to know your opinion on the whole if you got to hell what would you say thing
6 minutes
8:27 PM
dotaazn: back

me: good
8:28 PM
i have to go to bed cause i need sleep today...lol so answer that one quick please :)

dotaazn: say to who?

which god?

which hell?

and you don't go to hell first

you stand before judgement

so that would be the time to address God

and then you would be cast down into hell

which would be fine by me

because (a) you lose sensitivity to pain after a while
8:29 PM
and (b) allt he leet people are there

eric finn, brian luhrs, etc

me: say to god, after hes like OMG your an atheist! fuck you! sent to hell

if you had anything to say there

but like
8:30 PM
standard hell

dotaazn: I'd be like

me: in the bible

dotaazn: you're a douche

because instead of rewarding works

you reward a shallow and select group of idiots

who believed on you with little or no evidence

bought in to a lot of stuff that wasn't reasonable at the time

and decried in a cult-like fashion the absurdity of disbelieving in it
8:31 PM
he is not a just God

he can take his heaven and shove it

first of all I wouldn't even want a celestial north korea

and I wouldn't want heaven even as described in the Bible

I'd rather take Hell

because after the initial shock

pain tolerance goes up exponentially
8:32 PM
so after like 1 week of constant pain

you'd have eternity with all leet people

and all the people who were properly rational

not only that

but all the religious nuts who happened to be right

can keep their gloating face in jesus-land

I wouldn't want to be in the company of Yahweh anyway

Yahweh as portrayed as a character in the Old Testament is a douche

the most narccicistic asshat in all of fiction
8:33 PM
Richard Dawkins describes him as

'the most unpleasant character in all fiction ... a misogynist, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully

I'd rather not go to a place where the only reason I got in was pure luck
8:34 PM
a God who rewards certainty without justification, dogmatic reliance on blind faith instead of works

is unjust!

A God who values faith over works

i.e. the worst criminal could go to heaven because he believed

and the best person could go to hell because they didn't
8:35 PM
me: THAT LAST PART

dotaazn: all over something as trivial as belief in a specific deity of a specific cult with specific traits, a specific name

me: i hate that part so much. as far as the bible goes

but go on

dotaazn: is fucking absurd

the Bible is a big book of multiple choice

some books say that God rewards deeds

others say God rewards faith

so it's really anyone's guess
8:36 PM
The Bible isn't really clear about anything other than that all the facade Christians say about Christianity being a religion of love, accepting, etc is a load of shit

Jesus, the avatar of God, did not throw away old law but he renewed it

all the laws from OT still apply

which includes

such platonic wisdoms as

if a daughter is found not to be a virgin on her wedding day

you must stone her to death

and
8:37 PM
if someone tempts you to worship other gods than Yahweh

let me ask you

what are you supposed to do

me: is that rhetorical

dotaazn: if your neighbor tries to get you to worship other gods?

me: oh

dotaazn: no

not rhetorical

guess

me: pray for them?

dotaazn: you're supposed to kill him

and if you're unwilling to kill him, your neighbors are supposed to kill you
8:38 PM
me: i almost said that jokingly

:/

dotaazn: if you're gay, you're supposed to be stoned to death

so much hailing of death

christianity might as well be a death cult

because it practically already is

the hilarious thing is

most christians haven't read the Bible
8:39 PM
Matt Dillahunty say that the Bible is the most convincing argument for atheism

let's see what else

me: wait one thing

also

dotaazn: oh yeah the Bible tells you how to mark slaves - by driving a stake through their ear

me: ahhh

dotaazn: and how much to sell them for
8:40 PM
it also encourages slavery

who you can enslave

the God of the bible also occasionally enjoys human sacrifice and animal sacrifice
8:41 PM
the God of the bible literally endorses

genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, murder, slavery, human sacrifice

anyone who says that the Bible is a good book for morality

ha snot read it

has not read it

additionally, while the flaws in the NT aren't as obvious
8:42 PM
there are still very deep problems

me: one question

does it make any sense for a god to write a book and put it on earth

dotaazn: Sam Harris says that

God is apparently principly an author of books

he doesn't code software, he isn't a real estate broker

but he's an author

(jokingly)
8:43 PM
me: lol

it seems like a frvade or notpron

here are the clues figure it out

except

thats based on fact

belief in god is not
8:44 PM
dotaazn: the problem is

when you run into arguments with theists

a lot of things occur

like

they'll drudge up side issues that have been conflated with religion

such as morality

I don't know how many times I've heard or read

fucking

Mrs Count even said it

"How can you be moral without a belief in God?"

religious people have no idea how fucking offensive that is
8:45 PM
and I don't take offense to anything

but if there was one thing I would take offense to

it is that

they ahve no idea how appalling it is to hear someone say that

A good way to see if an argument is good is to substitute "God" with some other fictional character

such as Zeus, FSM, etc

I use Zeus a lot because most people don't believe in him

"How can you be moral without a belief in Zeus?"
8:46 PM
also

many people will say shit like

"This is a Christian nation"

worst fucking equivocation ever

me: ew

dotaazn: an equivocation is taking two words with different definitions and conflating them

so the equivocation is

they seem to say that the founding fathers are christian

etc
8:47 PM
but when questioned they'll back down and rely on the equivocation

saying that the majority is christian

some will even say

"This country was founded on Christianity"

as if the founding fathers didn't vote out every single reference of God in the constitution, and the only reference is the fucking date at the bottom

me: lol

dotaazn: as if the first Congress of the United States didn't UNANINMOUSLY approve the Treaty of Tripoli

which Article 11 states
8:48 PM
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; [...]

as if it was even fucking relevant

and then they sometimes bring up intellectual figures

like the quote from Einstein: "God doesn't play dice with the Universe"

or people who were christians but happened to be smart

as if it was fucking relevant
8:49 PM
the difficult part

the most difficult part of all

is dissecting and analyzing logical arguments for the existence of God

here's one that will confuse the shit out of you

I'll summarize what a logical argument is

Logic is the system of inference from propositions to conclusion

There are certain systems of logic

but most people tend to agree on almost every convention of logic

it's a tool, a system
8:50 PM
a process you go through to determine if a conclusion is valid

a valid argument is one whose conclusion "follows" from the premises

such as

(an over used one, but w/e)

1. Socrates is a man

2. All men are mortal

3. Therefore, Socrates is mortal

it doesn't matter if the premises (1, 2) are true

me: i learned that in math lol
8:51 PM
dotaazn: it just matters if the deduction between (1,2) and (3) is a valid one

and it is

the underlying structure

1. Man(Socrates)

2. For every X, Man(X) = Mortal(X)

3. Therefore, Mortal(Socrates)

that's called first-order logic

it's an unambiguous way of stating the structure of an argument

also you learned deduction in math class?
8:52 PM
me: mmm it was some property not deduction

dotaazn: oh well - I'm probably the only one at the entire fucking school that knows this much about logic and philosophy

anyway

me: lol

wait wait

you must finish quick

im being

dotaazn: I know

me: kicked off

xD

dotaazn: heh

read this argument

and see if you can spot the flaws

we'll talk at lunch

wait

fuck

me: hahaha

dotaazn: we'll talk in the morning?

me: mmkay.

dotaazn: also

me: band room-ish area or cafe?

dotaazn: don't read the criticism of it
8:53 PM
just se if you can come up with it yourself

band room-ish area

me: ok

dotaazn:
1. God is something of which nothing greater can be thought.2. God could exist in the understanding.3. It is greater to exist in reality and in the understanding than just in understanding.4. Therefore, God exists in reality

see if you can come up with criticism for that

I'll show you all the flaws tomorrow morning

outside the band room

kk bie

bye

me: lol see ya!