Session Start: Sat Jun 10 15:34:28 2017
Session Ident: #debates
03[15:34] * Now talking in #debates
03[15:34] * Topic is 'Adam West (Batman) had died at 88 | Bill Cosby Trial is in Progress - Prosecution has rested | Trump Foundation stole money from Children's Cancer foundation -- https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#126793316b4a'
03[15:34] * Set by Mabus!reverence@hub.efnut.net on Sat Jun 10 10:47:22 2017
[15:34] #debates url is http://www.dalnetdebates.com
[15:34] <@GenghisKhan> lol, yes, saying he didn't want to be left alone in a room means he is scared, no other reasons, certainly not the ones he gave
03[15:34] * Mabus sets mode: +v Cryptodira
[15:34] <@[e]> comey cowardly lion
[15:35] <@GenghisKhan> i dunno what laws exist for that or not; but that is how it is supposed to work
01[15:35] <+Cryptodira> Comey felt like how others feel in sexual harassment positions.
[15:35] <@[e]> lmfao
01[15:35] <+Cryptodira> Nothing to do with fear, everything to do with "why is this happening and this person behaving this way".
[15:35] <@GenghisKhan> and it isn't surprising for a FBI director to expect the president to go through standard protocol; of course he still obliged because ultimate the preisdent is his boss
[15:35] <@[e]> indeed as i said yesterday comey is a woman
[15:35] <@GenghisKhan> but you're suggesting his testimony was in regards to being "scared" when it had zilch to do with that
[15:36] <@GenghisKhan> he wasn't scared to be left alone; he wanted corroboration of events in case it went sideways. that's just smart
01[15:36] <+Cryptodira> [e]  So, calling him a woman is a bad thing to you?
01[15:36] <+Cryptodira> Jesus Christ read what you say.
[15:36] <@GenghisKhan> and that is why he decided to write memos right after his convos
01[15:36] <+Cryptodira> https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/6/9/15771974/sexual-harassment-comey-testimony
[15:36] <+pela> [ Why didn't he quit  or fight back? Senators treated Comey like a sexual harassment victim. - Vox  ]
01[15:36] <+Cryptodira> He was a "woman" because you claim he was a "coward".
[15:36] <+Dreams2X> [e].... this Comey is a woman means what exactly?
[15:36] <@GenghisKhan> i didn't cite it as proof of anything; i am arguing against your claim that he was 'scared'
[15:37] <@[e]> he pees sitting down?
01[15:37] <+Cryptodira> He's trying to demean Comey the only way he knows how.
[15:37] <@GenghisKhan> of course you saying that it isn't proof of anything is precisely why he didn't want to be alone in a room
[15:37] <@GenghisKhan> because it is he said she said at that point
[15:37] <+Dreams2X> are you suggesting all women are weak?
[15:37] <+TeriMetzer> RE: last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX73uXs3xGU
[15:37] <+pela> [ AK47 (AKM): Mud Test - YouTube  ]
[15:37] <@[e]> no as i watched him the other day say he wished he had more courage i thought he is a woman
[15:37] <@GenghisKhan> and ofc comey gave testimony assuming his conversations were taped
01[15:37] <+Cryptodira> [e]  So, more courage equals man.  Less courage equals woman.
[15:38] <@xsnlx> Sexism >> Racism, in the U.S.
01[15:38] <+Cryptodira> Wow, you have it all right there.
[15:38] <@[e]> lmao
01[15:38] <+Cryptodira> Doesn't get any plainer than that.
[15:39] <@xsnlx> and no with the ad homs
01[15:39] <+Cryptodira> Fragile masculinity, on display.
[15:39] <@[e]> mmmm snow
[15:39] <@xsnlx> and now
[15:39] <@GenghisKhan> xsnlx: well the best argument they have is me saying "he said she said" indicates comey might be a woman, soooo :)
01[15:39] <+Cryptodira> Where is lauchlin?
[15:39] <@[e]> lol
01[15:39] <+Cryptodira> If he can promise me a gay son, he can make with the sexy times with me.
[15:39] <+Dreams2X> there's nothing "snowflake" about respecting women.
01[15:40] <+Cryptodira> The world needs more gay boys and less of these caveman thugs with fragile male egos.
[15:40] <@[e]> crypt nice
[15:40] <@[e]> i think he could do it
[15:40] <@GenghisKhan> sorry if sayings confuse you???
[15:40] <@goomba> if comey was wearing hijab none of this would have happened
[15:41] <@[e]> goomba
[15:41] <@[e]> lmfao
[15:41] <@xsnlx> Cryptodira, the chest-thumpers don't understand cooperation, they think progress only comes through manly rugged individualism
[15:41] <@GenghisKhan> "he said, she said" is a common saying ot refer to conversations tht can't be independently verified
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[15:41] <@GenghisKhan> then it wouldn't be the actual saying?
[15:41] <@[e]> bingo
[15:41] <@GenghisKhan> it would also get confusing cuz who si the other he?
[15:41] <@GenghisKhan> "he said, he said"
01[15:41] <+Cryptodira> xsnlx  It's not even chest thumping.  The kind of fake machismo on display is just a way of hiding deep insecurities.
[15:42] <@GenghisKhan> he siad, he said isn't the actual saying and that you are focusing on that is pretty telling lmbo
01[15:42] <+Cryptodira> Calling Comey a "woman" is a way for the insecure and fragile masculinity to be preserved.
[15:42] <@xsnlx> Cryptodira, they don't understand that Neanderthal man was smarter, stronger and hardier than we ever dreamt of being, but they were defeated by prissy little cro-magnon men, because the cro-magnons had better cooperation and language skills
[15:42] <+TeriMetzer> http://tacticalgear.com/ak-47-vs-ar-15
[15:42] <+pela> [ AK-47 vs. AR-15 @ TacticalGear.com  ]
[15:42] <@[e]> rachel madcow is a man
01[15:43] <+Cryptodira> Oh look, here comes a dyke joke!
[15:43] <@[e]> i cant take the brush cut
[15:43] <@GenghisKhan> i dunno what the fuck cnn et al have to do with anything
[15:43] <@[e]> lol nerd
01[15:43] <+Cryptodira> [e]  She doesn't cut her hair with insecure flabbies in mind.
[15:44] <+Dreams2X> [e]  do you find smart women threatening?
[15:44] <+TeriMetzer> Cryptodira slings insults then gets salty over rachael maddow.
[15:44] <@GenghisKhan> Sardaukar: I really don't
[15:44] <@[e]> no dreams i demand it
[15:44] <+pie3> anyone uses vpn?
[15:44] <@GenghisKhan> i don't watch cable news at all; and our discussion was about a common metaphor
[15:44] <@[e]> it balances out my stupidness dreams:)
[15:44] <@GenghisKhan> are you suggesting cnn et al invented the phrase "he said, she said"?
[15:44] <@[e]> i watch cnn for be babes nerd
[15:44] <@[e]> the^
[15:45] <@GenghisKhan> Sardaukar: i think that "he said, he said" would have been confusing, and it isn't the actual saying
01[15:45] <+Cryptodira> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Said,_She_Said_(disambiguation)
[15:45] <+pela> [ He Said, She Said (disambiguation) - Wikipedia  ]
[15:45] <@GenghisKhan> if you say so, have a clip or article where they use it like that?
[15:46] <@GenghisKhan> (i have no idea what that has to do with me using it? lmbo)
[15:46] <@GenghisKhan> no i don't what?
[15:46] <+Dreams2X> it just means conflicting testimony without additional evidence to decide the issue.
[15:46] <@[e]> word speak
[15:46] <@[e]> u no
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[15:47] <@[e]> nerd we got a week of warm weather
[15:47] <@GenghisKhan> i like how sard is appealing to cnn et al as a reason for why i should have used a saying differently and how this is supposed to justify his argument  lmbo
[15:47] <@GenghisKhan> "it becomes a he said she said thing" "HAHA YOU THINK HE IS A WOMAN" ya... and i am the LM here :)
[15:47] <+pela> [ In he said, he said with Trump, Comey has distinct advantage on Capitol Hill - CBS News  ]
[15:48] <@GenghisKhan> nice, now explain to me why i should follow what CBS does?
[15:48] <@GenghisKhan> because someone like you might read it wrong? lmbo
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[15:49] <@GenghisKhan> no, i mocked you latching onto that rather than a real argument
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[15:49] <@GenghisKhan> and you decided to suggest that "he said she said" isn't an actual metaphor but must mean i was saying comey is a woman, it's kind of dumb
[15:50] <@GenghisKhan> amusing you think that saying "o so comey is the woman" is a "triple"
[15:50] <@GenghisKhan> especially so when you were avoiding actual topics to discuss to do so
[15:50] <@GenghisKhan> hmmmmm
[15:50] <+Dreams2X> aren't you guys carrying this nitpicking  point to extremes ?
[15:51] <@GenghisKhan> right and my volley was "i guess this is the best sard has to offer"
[15:51] <@[e]> dreams this is the new normal here
[15:51] <@[e]> :)
[15:51] <@GenghisKhan> and you haven't done anything to dissuade anyone of that
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[15:52] <@[e]> so fucking serious
[15:52] <@GenghisKhan> it's telling that trump wishes to do some executive privie stuff after the fact too, one would think if he felt the testimony vindicated him that he would be happy about it??
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01[15:53] <+Cryptodira> Yah no better way to announce to the world that you are an insecure male than by making it clear that you equate weakness/cowardice to being a woman.
01[15:53] <+Cryptodira> Way to grab'em by the pussies boys!!!
[15:53] <@GenghisKhan> i'm not even sure what the supposed cowardice is supposed to be
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[15:53] <@GenghisKhan> i've heard from some that they feel comey should have resigned if he didn't like it lol
[15:54] <@GenghisKhan> so maybe that is what they refer to when they call him a coward? i dunno
01[15:54] <+Cryptodira> Comey didn't express anything remotely like "weakness" or "cowardice".  But some fragile males still triggered into calling him a "mere woman".
[15:54] <+Dreams2X> Genghis... what would resigning accomplish. .. Trump would just replace him with a sock puppet.
[15:55] <@GenghisKhan> Dreams2X: right, it wouldn't accomplish anything
[15:56] <+Dreams2X> I think admitting mistakes takes courage... it's not weakness
01[15:56] <+Cryptodira> Dreams2X  Are you a male?
[15:56] <@[e]> 2 american troops died in affgan
[15:56] <@Mabus> but i'm perfect!
[15:56] <+Dreams2X> all myblife
[15:56] <+pela> [ Feinstein asks Comey: Why didn't you stop and say, 'Mr. President, this is wrong'? - LA Times  ]
[15:56] <@[e]> none of this matters
01[15:56] <+Cryptodira> Dreams2X  Then let me congratulate you on not being a fragile one.
[15:56] <@[e]> why are we still in affgan
[15:56] <@[e]> why
[15:56] <@GenghisKhan> he didn't say he was weak, he said maybe if he were stronger he would have and then everything after that goes on to explain how he was stunned by the situation
[15:57] <@GenghisKhan> and he wanted to make sure he chose every word carefully to not admit to things that weren't true
01[15:57] <+Cryptodira> [e]  They should have been stronger.  They must have been women, to get killed so easily.
[15:57] <@GenghisKhan> could one be strong yet still be stronger?
[15:57] <@Mabus> sard.... we all have done things we wish we could have done better
[15:57] <+Dreams2X> crypto... men and women are often flawed... and often capable of exceptional bravery.
06[15:58] * @Fundamenta|ist walks into the channel.... see's Mabus... knocks him over.
[15:58] <@GenghisKhan> huh?
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01[15:58] <+Cryptodira> Dreams2X  Agreed, but I'm still just making fun of the earlier admission by your compatriot that "weak" equals "woman".
[15:58] <@xsnlx> only losers let themselves get killed or captured
[15:58] <@GenghisKhan> especially killed via a shot in the back
[15:58] <@GenghisKhan> what kind of idiot lets that happen
01[15:59] <+Cryptodira> Yep, that's the prez and his Anzees for ya.
[15:59] <@xsnlx> right, the Warfare Free Market has spoken!
[15:59] <@GenghisKhan> yes, leaders are chosen cuz they only make the correct decisions lol
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[16:00] <@GenghisKhan> and comey didn't make a wrong decision, but there are potentially better avenues he could have taken, it isn't even clear that coaching trump would have been the better avenue
[16:00] <@xsnlx> HAH!  Trump was chosen because he makes the correct decisions!  Not that's a novel interpretation
[16:00] <@xsnlx> Now that's
[16:00] <@GenghisKhan> and i note that many republican senators took that tact. well trump just doesn't know any better you see! o ok
[16:01] <+Dreams2X> hindsight is often 20/20.... we all can say what we shoulda done.
[16:01] <@GenghisKhan> i don't think it is the fbi directors job to ensure the president does everything above board. it /is/ his job to note if the preisdent isn't doing things above board and goto the proper authorities (congress) if he isn't
[16:01] <@[e]> he also wanted a book deal
[16:01] <@GenghisKhan> i like the idea that the president should be subordinate to other executive level employees, please go on
[16:01] <@[e]> he did
[16:01] <@GenghisKhan> $10m no?
[16:02] <@[e]> 10million
[16:02] <@[e]> yes
[16:02] <@Mabus> i think he would have prefered to keep his job
[16:02] <@GenghisKhan> not surprising, it's a hell of a story
[16:02] <@[e]> eh more power to him
[16:02] <@GenghisKhan> kinda like those seals on the bin laden raid who wrote books
[16:02] <@Fundamenta|ist> You know...
[16:02] <@Mabus> no we dont :)
[16:02] <@GenghisKhan> it makes em scum to the seals eyes, but gotta get paid too at a certain point
[16:02] <+Dreams2X> [e]   Comey didn't  go to that dinner planning a book deal.
[16:02] <@xsnlx> Sardaukar, it's not weakness to not put yourself in a compromised position;  He knows what a shitbag Trump is.  You don't give a shitbag the protection of darkness to work in.
[16:03] <@Fundamenta|ist> Love Comey or Hate him... it still turns out that he was the most honest and moral man in the room.
[16:03] <@[e]> oh i bet hes been thinking about a book deal befor trump came along
[16:03] <@GenghisKhan> Fundamenta|ist: ya, that is what i said up top. he's annoyingly honest
[16:03] <@[e]> honest?
[16:03] <@xsnlx> yup, his 10 years under Republicans and Democrats...all about a book deal
[16:03] <@Fundamenta|ist> Attacking Comey is simply nothing more than trying to shoot the messenger.
[16:03] <@GenghisKhan> i dunno lynch doesn't look to hot from comey's testimony
[16:04] <@Fundamenta|ist> [e] "most honest". Its a relative term.
[16:04] <@[e]> why couldent he let ppl know trump was being investgated
[16:04] <@GenghisKhan> 7e: yes, honest
[16:04] <+Dreams2X> [e]  do you get secret info from God like gyrus?
[16:04] <@GenghisKhan> 7e: maybe you're in the dark but uhm; the trump campaign has been under investigation the whole time
[16:04] <@xsnlx> Fundy, it's worse, it's taking the word of a notorious liar over the word of a stalwart reliable source
[16:04] <@[e]> why did he decide he would act as AG when lynch checked out?
[16:04] <@GenghisKhan> 7e: i'll leave it as an excercise to the reader who is at the top of that
[16:05] <@GenghisKhan> the question being asked basically is "what evidence do you have thus far of trump's wrong doing" that is a question that won't be answered about an investigation under way
01[16:05] <+Cryptodira> [e]  He didn't act as AG.  He closed the FBI investigation.  The AG signed off on it.
01[16:05] <+Cryptodira> Clinton isn't the issue any longer.
[16:05] <@Fundamenta|ist> So let me ask you this? Why try and shoot the messenger. Even if Comey did nothing but skin kittens alive while FBI director, it doesn't make anything he said less relevant.
[16:05] <@GenghisKhan> not by the investigators at least
01[16:06] <+Cryptodira> I know I know.  Clinton was a woman and thus more "cowardly" and "weak".
[16:06] <@[e]> wth fundie!!
[16:06] <@GenghisKhan> Fundamenta|ist: partly to try and dismiss his message. the problem is that trump has largely confirmed it via tweets and such
[16:06] <+Dreams2X> Trump wanted Comey to say he was cleared of any wrongdoing before the investigation was completed.