LYNCHLOG

<Nighthawk> kai let's talk alternatives
<Kaiveran> yes
<Kaiveran> also holy shit where did thie time go
<Nighthawk> Question 1:  Do you have any
<Kaiveran> for what it's worth, Nighthawk, I feel like you and Jon are an oppositional pair (i.e if one is wolf, the other is probably not)
<Kaiveran> any what?
<Nighthawk> alternatives
<Kaiveran> I have to admit I haven't been over the alst page and a half in detail, but I feel like we might be able to compromis on funnygurl maybe?
<Nighthawk> eh
<Nighthawk> I don't really suspect funnygurl all that much
<Mashi> I think neither are Wolves.
<Nighthawk> Mashi brought up the possibility of spinda
<Mashi> Well
<Slike> The logic on her only applies if Mr. E is the traitor iirc
<Mashi> I guess I shouldn't let Nighty off too easy.
<Mashi> Yeah, I would be cool with Spinda
<Slike> what's spinda done
<Mashi> Exactly!
<Mashi> lol
<Nighthawk> He's posted some weird stuff about Mr. E
<Mashi> And mostly t- yeah.
<Slike> I see
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<Mashi> He voted for Mr. E for a weird reason
<Mashi> And then Kaiveran questioned him on it
<Mashi> And he immediately switched back to Jon.
<Nighthawk> I initially thought his thoughts on Mr. E suggested he was the traitor
<Kaiveran> So your going to draw associatives so definitively, when the traitor may not even be linked up yet?
<Kaiveran> How much sense does that make.
<Nighthawk> because of his knowledge of what I thought to be an obscure traitor mechanic
<Nighthawk> Kai:  Who are you asking?
<Nighthawk> but it turns out that mechanic doesn't work that way
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<Kaiveran> Both of you
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<Nighthawk> For me, which associations are you asking about
<Kaiveran> I don't like making logical leaps without verifying the base assertions first, you know?
<Mashi> nighty can i say kyones he was seered red to see how he reacts
<Mashi> he seems so distanced from the game
<Nighthawk> go for it
<Kaiveran> If Spinda's guilt is directly predicated on Mr. E's guilt, then Mr. E's alignment needs to be verified. Not Spinda's.
<Nighthawk> That's not how it is for me
<Mashi> It's not predicated on Mr. E.
<Nighthawk> Spinda's guilt is predicated on an obscure knowledge of a mechanic that I think he'd probably only know if he was the traitor himself
<Nighthawk> which is that if you receive two lie detectors, you don't know who gave you which one
<roundbox> did something come up about Spinda that I missed? incredibly busy this weekend with work and another TWG
<Slike> wait, that?
<Slike> That's in the rules
<Slike> I knew that
<Nighthawk> From what he's been posting in the thread about Mr. E, it seems to me like he thought that the traitor wouldn't be able to seer anyone because they start with two lie detectors and wouldn't know for certain the result (since he wouldn't know if he was using the haywire or real one)
<Kaiveran> Oh, I thought you were still talking about Mr. E
<Kaiveran> there
<Nighthawk> The thing is it doesn't work like that
<Nighthawk> Sauce said that the traitor knows which of his lie detectors are which
<Nighthawk> so he would be able to seer people with reliability
<Slike> oh
<Nighthawk> The one exception would be if the Traitor gave out both lie detectors and got them back
<Nighthawk> or maybe even 1, I'm not sure
<Kaiveran> So....he was wrong about the traitor mechanics with lie detectors.
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<Kaiveran> And you think that makes him the traitor.
<Kaiveran> I don't think I follow.
<Nighthawk> No, I THOUGHT it made him the traitor when I thought he was right
<Mashi> Kaiveran, whom do you think should be lynched?
<Kaiveran> My vote finger is screaming Jon. I don't like the fact that he seems to have been laying low ever since the Hawk-spearheaded Mr. E wagon came about and how he hasn't been serously pushing for a lynch target for all his apparent bravado.
<Kaiveran> There's a general thing where when the town is tied in knots over someone that wolves just stay out of the way and let us fight.
<Kaiveran> Especially when someone like Nighthawk who tends to be loud and have a lot of pull in games puts the heat on someone, they'll usually pose no real opposition to it because it's not them.
<Kaiveran> Also I need to learn to type.
<Mashi> Jon voted for Funnygurl and left for work, I believe.
<Nighthawk> Is there logic on funnygurl besides the jon bandwagon yesterday?
<Mashi> So he doesn't really have time to push anything.
<Mashi> I felt her posts regarding you and Mr. E were really awkward.
<Mashi> And when I pushed her to explain why she felt Mr. E was Human this Phase when she told me she was suspicious of him last Phase
<Nighthawk> I didn't think the one about me was all that awkward
<Mashi> She didn't really have a good answer.
<Kaiveran> I think everything about her is kinda awkward. She is active lurking hardcore
<Nighthawk> what was her attempt at an answer?
<Mashi> And she neglected to tell me about a chat she had with him for some reason.
<Mashi> You said you were suspicious of Mr. E last Phase, but you changed your mind this Phase.
<Mashi> [6:29:29 PM] やっぱり: Why?
<Mashi> [6:32:48 PM] Eaman: my reason to even suspect mr e in the first place was just wagoning off of other people's thoughts anyway. wasn't that strong and not enough for me to want to see him dead
<Mashi> [6:33:13 PM] Eaman: i also just have a bad feeling about tons of people piling up votes on him
<Mashi> the japanese characters are me btw
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<Slike> that'll teach 'im
<Mashi> rekt
<Kaiveran> I'd like to flip this back on to you Nighthawk. You say that you though SPinda was Traitor but then changed your mind after he got things wrong. So now you're pushing him as a wolf, and your case is...that he shows undue interest in Traitor mechanics?
<Nighthawk> no
<Nighthawk> I'm not really pushing him as a wolf.
<Nighthawk> well maybe I am
<Mashi> I was the one who originally suggested Spinda.
<Mashi> Nighty and I were looking for an alternative lynch because we didn't like the two current candidates.
<Nighthawk> Mashi mentioned his reactions to being questioned about then
<Nighthawk> *them
<Nighthawk> like he was allowing other people asking him questions to influence his vote
<Mashi> You were the one who questioned him even, Kaiveran!  Did you not think the sudden vote change was odd?
<Mashi> omg kaiveran you keep disappearing
<Mashi> i sort of want to lynch kyones tbh
<Mashi> where is he
<Mashi> hes not even responding to my skype message :'(
<Slike> iirc he said he works real late
<Kaiveran> back, had to bathroom
<Mashi> I caught him up while he was up late.
<Mashi> And he hasn't been keeping up with the game.
<Mashi> And he's also in the LLF TWG chatroom.
<Kaiveran> I dunno. My gut says Spinda is disinterested town. And sheeping Nighthawk isn't as strongly alignment-typed as most would think.
<Mashi> And he's never commented in there.
<Mashi> Why disinterested Town?
<Slike> Spinda seems better than any of the lynches that are up right now.
<Slike> Mostly because I had an epiphany on Jon.
<Kaiveran> His behavior seems to generally fit with what I know of him (as Nickname), Nighthawk doesn't seem too sure -
<Kaiveran> oh?
<Kaiveran> please share.
<Mashi> You've played with Nickname before?
<Mashi> Outside of LLF or on here?
<Slike> I don't have a log, but I remembered that he said he only told Fawful about the gun, and didn't know Fawful talked to Nighthawk and me.
<Kaiveran> I've been playing and reading here since about game 70 IIRC
<Slike> So with Fawful as the wolfing, why did he announce that he used the gun?
<Slike> As far as he was aware it could have stayed a secret.
<Nighthawk> Jon did talk to me about having the gun at one point
<Nighthawk> during Day 1 I believe
<Slike> Really?
<Slike> Huh.
<Nighthawk> yeah
<Slike> might switch to jon if we don't get anything then because at this point I find it to be the least bad
<Kaiveran> ugh.
<roundbox> that's not often a good sign
<Kaiveran> It's not easy with so many lurksacks.
<roundbox> usually means scum team is content
<Kaiveran> Item accountability is pretty shot to shit as well
<Slike> It's never a good sign.
<Mashi> Yeah.
<Mashi> We should just have people claim things the Day Phase after from this point forward.
<Kaiveran> You know what, you're right Slike...there's so much that could make what Jon is playing a safer gambit, and while he could just be going balls out crazy as a wolf.
<Nighthawk> why don't we just make the people who guarded items last night claim to the people they gave their oxygen to?
<Mashi> I think Jon is well-intentioned, he's just made some ridiculous calls.
<Kaiveran> It's generally more likely that wolves are staying in the shadows. They want humans to be in the spotlight. They don;t want to draw attention
<Mashi> I'm sure Nighty had the same impression in the discussions he's had with him too.
<Mashi> We have 30 minutes to make a lynch.
<Mashi> I'm voting Spinda.
<Nighthawk> I agree, Jon seemed really human
<Mashi> Or hmm
<Mashi> WELL WHATEVER
<Mashi> NO TIME TO THINK
<Nighthawk> yes there is there's 29 minutes
<Kaiveran> I did my recommendation of claiming to a single person with all my givings
<Mashi> You think we can get a majority wagon in enough time?
<Kaiveran> (will not reveal who, for obvious reasons)
<Slike> I'd just cut our losses and rush Spinda
<Kaiveran> with the way things have been going?
<Kaiveran> I seriously doubt it.
<Kaiveran> Hate to be the pessimistic party pooper
<Nighthawk> well if we take some votes off
<Nighthawk> also if we ping joey and mre
<Slike> let's look at the vote counts because things will go away yeah
<Nighthawk> that gives us 7
<MrE> oh hi
<Mashi> The people I would be okay with lynching are Spinda, Blinky Realms, BammerSteel, maybe Funnygurl, and maybe Roundbox.
<Nighthawk> which is more than is on either wagon atm
<Slike> MrE would love to not die yeah
<MrE> that is something i like
<roundbox> I hope that was only to get my attention mashi
<Mashi> ;)
<Mashi> Well, it worked!
<Joey> <Nighthawk> also if we ping joey and mre
<Joey> hi
<Slike> who all here wants to use a fighting type move on spinda
<Slike> and by use a fighting type move
<Slike> I mean vote for
<Mashi> I'm cool with it. B)
<MrE> Hold on, sorry
<MrE> What's the argument against Spinda?
<MrE> Just general posting weirdness?
<Slike> a lot of stuff by my favorite is "not Mr. E or Jon"
<Mashi> Mostly, yes, Mr. E
<Nighthawk> Slike:  why are you so opposed to either lynch?
<Mashi> I didn't like that he switched over to the Mr. E wagon for some weirdlye xplained reason
<Mashi> Only to switch over to Jon when Kaiveran pointed out his reasoning being weird.
<Nighthawk> well he basically gave into Kai didn't he
<Joey> i think it's a possibility that Jon, Mr. E, and Funnygurl are all wolves
<Kaiveran> You know what, I realized something abouit that Mashi
<Joey> would explain why they targeted Mashi and Nighthawk
<Mashi> Hmm?
<Mashi> Who targeted Nighty and me?
<Mashi> Oh
<Kaiveran> both of these wagons picked up steam easily with little peripheral discussion and when I tried to debate the better of the two earlier I got mostly dead air
<Slike> I'm not EXTREMELY opposed, but the gist is that the things they've done at this point are too outrageous for a wolf to find a good idea.
<Mashi> lol i missed your last message somehow
<Mashi> I could be convinced for a Funnygurl lynch.
<Mashi> Kaiveran, I feel like that's indication of both being Human wagons tbh
<Nighthawk> Mashi, what is the reasoning for that beyond her jon sheep yesterday?
<Mashi> Wolves don't care who dies!
<Kaiveran> While Spinda's response still doesn't read as terribad to me i feel like it coulkd be a desire to go with the flow
<Kaiveran> Yeah, Mash, that's what I'm gettin at
<Mashi> Inconsistency in her Mr. E read and lack of decent explanation on her part towards why.
<Nighthawk> Oh I forgot that part
<Mashi> She had a lot with Mr. E that might've been reason for her to view hum as Human, but she never even brought it up to me!
<Kaiveran> Spinda and Funnygurl are pretty neck and neck at the moment to me.
<Mashi> Mr. E was the one who told me about it when I mentioned Funnygurl's weird stance on her.
<MrE> *him
<Mashi> I don't follow her suspicion of you either.
<Mashi> Your reasoning against Mr. E wasn't bad or weird, in my opinion.
<Kaiveran> I guess Spinda is better on pure mechanics since there's more content to look at there, but Funnygurl just gut reads more wolfy
<Nighthawk> the problem with these two wagons is the same as the problem with the other two
<Nighthawk> nobody really cares which one we go with
<Nighthawk> and with 7 of us in the chat
<Nighthawk> odds are if one of them is a wolf they'd care
<Mashi> That's
<Mashi> Literally what Liggy was saying last Day Phase
<Mashi> smh
<Mashi> BUT ANYWAY
<Nighthawk> That wasn't true yesterday
<Nighthawk> People cared between GS and Mr. E
<Nighthawk> anyways you're right
<Nighthawk> let's get back to today
<Nighthawk> where we have 20 minutes to lynch not-Mr. E or Jon
<Kaiveran> The problem is we have not even one red flip or seering so all this associative stuff is pure conjecture.
<MrE> what happened to all those seers, btw?
<Kaiveran> I will jump on spinda
<MrE> Six people got items
<MrE> 2 used a seering, and 1 got a gun
<Mashi> Only 2 seers left.
<Mashi> Oh wait
<Slike> one seer was stolen, remember
<Kaiveran> Usually that's indicative of mostly greens
<Kaiveran> yeah
<Mashi> Okay, yeah
<Kaiveran> so Mashi's right
<Nighthawk> Joey lost one of them, Jon used a gun instead of one of them, Spinda seered Joey, and Mr. E seered himself
<MrE> oh right
<MrE> that's still two unaccounted for
<Nighthawk> yeah it was probably greens
<MrE> Did they just go to scum?
<Kaiveran> make that all greens
<MrE> ....
<MrE> maybe they actually went to Kyoni or Fiver
<Kaiveran> anybody with a red would definitely have piped the fuck up in a day going as badly as today
<Mashi> Doubtful.
<Mashi> At Mr. E
<Kaiveran> oh yeah, people are not playing the game they siogned up for
<Mashi> I'm voting for Spinda.
<Kaiveran> I'd liek to froget that.
<Mashi> Kyoni is avoiding the game, I think.
<Mashi> Fiver is legitimately inactive.
<Mashi> He's asked for a replacement already.
<Kaiveran> ;_;
<Mashi> Well, he's busy, more like, rather.
<gzgregory> you guys better not make me play
<Slike> you might
<Slike> kyoni's being a butt
<gzgregory> ;(
<Kaiveran> idea: let the lurksacks drown
<gzgregory> nothing against the game itself mind you sauce!
<Slike> that has been my plan
<Slike> since like
<Nighthawk> probably a good idea
<Slike> n1
<Mashi> Would you guys be fine with a Blinky Realms vote?
<Slike> This game has 22 people, it was probably DESIGNED around inactives drowning
<Slike> what's bad about Blinky?
<Mashi> I sent you my suspicion list, Silky!
<Slike> oh yeah
<Mashi> lol
<Slike> that one had a bunch of links to posts I think
<Slike> so I was like
<Slike> "later"
<Slike> and now it's later!
<Nighthawk> I'm fine with Blinky
<MrE> What about Blinky?
<Kaiveran> why?
<Nighthawk> or FG or Splenda
<Nighthawk> I guess
<Kaiveran> wefergtnhm
<Nighthawk> I'll find the two posts
<Kaiveran> okay I gotta help carry stuff I dunno how long it'll take so I'm voting Splenda
<Nighthawk> Yesterday he said Jon or GS were probably the top two
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<Nighthawk> and then today or maybe last night he called those weak and used them as part of his reasoning against me
<Mashi> https://last-life.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6511&p=307214#p307214
<Mashi> I posted my reasoning there.
<Mashi> o
<Nighthawk> though actually I mixed those up in my head, I think he thought the suspicion against Jon was stronger than the suspicion against Mr. E
<Mashi> Okay, I'm cool w/ Splenda too
<Mashi> I feel like
<Mashi> We're butchering his name more and more lol
<Nighthawk> well were any of yours accidental?
<Nighthawk> I was hoping we could get to Spalding
<Mashi> So Spinda or Blinky Realms?
<Savvy-Sauce> (sun)
<Mashi> (sun)
<Mashi> lol i did them all accidental
<Nighthawk> I think I'd prefer Spinda actually
<roundbox> I wish I had been paying more attention this phase
<roundbox> sorry guys
<Mashi> Spinda it is then..
<Nighthawk> Blinky not being her makes me feel weird
<Mashi> roundbox Slike MrE Joey
<Joey> hi
<MrE> ya im voting
<Slike> did we pick a thing
<Mashi> Spinda.
<Mashi> omg its end of phase
<Slike> sure
<Mashi> why doesnt this chatroom have your undivided attention
<Mashi> smh
<Joey> hul
<Joey> i'm keeping my vote where it is
<Mashi> Where is your vote?
<Nighthawk> which is where
<Mashi> And why?
<Mashi> Jon.
<Joey> i think i voted for jon
<Slike> I was busy looking at the reasoning for voting blinky!
<Slike> and then we didn't!
<Mashi> You think????
<Mashi> okay fair enough silky
<Mashi> you get a pass
<Mashi> 7 minutes left
<Mashi> sauce is da update coming on time this time
<Savvy-Sauce> More or less.
<Joey> yeah i voted for jon, i'm still not sure if i'm fond of his general playstyle this game
<Joey> why did you guys concede on spinda
<Slike> I told mashi this but
<Mashi> Were you paying attention to the chat, Joey?
<Slike> I think the twc should nominate Jon for most sportsmanlike performance in the twg centennial fest
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<Nighthawk> I swear my dog is a wolf
<Nighthawk> she starts barking like there's something bothering her
<Nighthawk> I go to see what it is
<Nighthawk> there's nothing
<Nighthawk> she didn't even want to go outside
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<MrE> are you gonna lynch her
<Nighthawk> she's just trying to distract me
<Slike_> [vote]Nighthawk's dog[/vote]
<Mashi> nightys dog is my second favourite wolf
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<Kami> why did everyone vote spinda
<Kami> suddenly
<Mashi> kawamii-chan youre here 2 minutes before the lynch
<Kami> stfu mashi
<Mashi> chinese fire drill
<Mashi> maybe i should make that rule 3
<Mashi> or do you guys think its implied from rule 2
<Kami> so
<Kami> can u telll me why
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<Slike_> wait what are you making rule 3
<Kaiveran> raawrf
<Slike_> and is rule 1 "when you're about to get lynched, claim a role"?
<Mashi> No, Rule 1 is
<Kaiveran> yep pretty much over I am glad I voted when I did
<Mashi> "Rule #1 of LLF - Every game is an alliance game.  Even if it's not."
<Mashi> None of us were particularly fond of the wagons on Jon and Mr. E because people seemed rather nonchalant over which was lynched over the other.
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<Doomy> hi peplz
<Mashi> No one pushed for one over the other.
<Slike_> ...I am too used to mercs I only bolded my vote
<MrE> hi doom!
<Kaiveran> Kami: I think I'll post the long for posterity
<Mashi> And most of us felt like Jon and Mr. E were Human anyway, methinks.
<Slike_> it is also exactly 9:00 :c
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<Doomy> Did you also vote for you thought should win, Slike? And hi, Mr. E!
<Slike> oh well spinda will probably die anyways
<Mashi> doomy what
<Nighthawk> Slike:  That's probably fine
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<Slike> hurray
<Doomy> What, Mashi-mun?
<Mashi> Oh
<Mashi> You were joking because of the Mercs reference
<Mashi> lol
<Doomy> Yeah, it sucks when you get ninja'd when your joke is all about timing
<Doomy> [b]Everyone[/b]
<Savvy-Sauce> update!
<Doomy> So out of curiosity, why Spienda in particular?
<Doomy> *Splenda
<Mashi> lol
<Mashi> well
<Mashi> i guess its not a total loss
<Slike> well it's the best possible human lynch
<Slike> except not
<Slike> because we are never seering again
<Mashi> rip
<Joey> i quit twg forever
<Doomy> But what was the basis for it?
<Nighthawk> We didn't like either of the other lynches
<Mashi> People blindly following Jon and Mr. E wagons.
<Slike> and he wasn't in the chat
<Slike> I mean like
<Slike> seriously?
<Mashi> It seemed like both were Humans because no one was strongly pushing for one or the other to be lynched.
<Slike> who DOES that
<Doomy> Oh, okay. So inactivity
<Slike> no
<Slike> he just wasn't in the chat
<Slike> to defend himself
<Doomy> Wow... Thank goodness I was here hours ago :p
<Mashi> Maybe I should have pushed Blinky Realms.
<Mashi> Oh well.
<Slike> my mom always used to say