v is getting worse

(21:04:51) ‹+AoC› People keep saying that what /v/ needs is the heavy handed moderation from the /vg/ split

(21:05:10) ‹+AoC› I don't think they understand what they are requesting

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(21:06:04) ‹+Bloom› People keep saying that what /v/ needs is the heavy handed moderation from the /vg/ split

(21:06:09) ‹+Bloom› im inclined to agree with them to be honest

(21:06:21) ‹+Bloom› a lot of people would dislike it, but i think the board needs a reset like that

(21:06:47) ‹+AoC› I could go for it, and it fits my style anyway

(21:06:48) ‹+Bloom› its not my job to think though

(21:07:03) ‹+AoC› but then I remember that what makes 4chan special is the off-topic

(21:07:14) ‹+WalterWhite› .... :|

(21:07:27) ‹+AoC› well, that's simplifying quite a lot

(21:07:51) ‹+Bloom› when the off topic is good it is GREAT, but when its not good it is fucking awful

(21:08:02) ‹+Bloom› and for the past six months at least its been the latter, mostly

(21:08:02) ‹+AoC› but what makes 4chan stand out is the low barrier of entry. Introduce strict moderation and you create a hostile environment

(21:08:19) ‹+Bloom› well not really

(21:08:23) ‹+WalterWhite› yeah no

(21:08:24) ‹+Bloom› there is a place on 4chan for this shit

(21:08:25) ‹+Bloom› its not /v/

(21:08:35) ‹+WalterWhite› those "hostile" people

(21:08:39) ‹+Bloom› if /v/ was the only board obviously it would be different, but /v/ is for videogames

(21:08:41) ‹+WalterWhite› are just waiting to shitpost

(21:08:46) ‹+Bloom› and a lot of people go there just to discuss videogames

(21:08:59) ‹+AoC› true, this is why we still get all the /b/ level threads even with the board culture exceptions

(21:09:14) ‹+WalterWhite› mmm..

(21:09:36) ‹+Bloom› the "culture" thing only works when it doesn't get out of hand

(21:09:41) ‹+Bloom› and it really seems like it has

(21:09:50) ‹+WalterWhite› part of summer

(21:09:55) ‹+WalterWhite› part of idiots

(21:10:02) ‹+AoC› claiming culture more often than not is just an excuse for shitposting

(21:10:07) ‹+WalterWhite› yep

(21:10:17) ‹+Bloom› the most important thing is that people can have a fun place to talk about their topic, which in this case is videogames

(21:10:39) ‹+Bloom› and when people think its ok to just derail video game threads with inane shit because there is other inane shit being posted, its a big problem

(21:11:03) ‹+AoC› also have to consider that along with board culture, what attracts a lot of people to individual boards is the environment, not the topic alone

(21:11:26) ‹+AoC› you can talk VN in /vg/, but not with the same sort of people you encounter in /jp/ for example

(21:11:49) ‹+Bloom› thats a whole other issue

(21:11:59) ‹+WalterWhite› I see what you mean.

(21:12:47) ‹+Bloom› i just think that a board titled video games, its primary concern above all else is that you talk primarily, like 95%, about video games

(21:13:28) ‹+Bloom› and i can see how the user gets frustrated when one off topic thread gets deleted but another one is ok because its "culture"

(21:13:57) ‹+AoC› Agreed. The biggest issue with /v/ was that the /b/light content started to become the dominant force with proper videogame discussion being left in a few threads at night

(21:14:01) ‹+Bloom› like, why are deep sea threads more valid than some new off topic thread. its because they got there first

(21:14:02) ‹+Bloom› and thats not fair

(21:14:53) ‹+Bloom› its not fair to the users and its not fair to us that have to make these snap judgment calls and then have to worry about if we made the right decision. Its just so vague saying we should let things go if people are having fun and it seems harmless

(21:14:58) ‹+Bloom› how are we supposed to know if something is harmless

(21:15:00) ‹+AoC› >delete nick game shows stream spam

(21:15:08) ‹+AoC› >"faggot janitor is lurking"

(21:15:14) ‹+AoC› do these people even read the rules?

(21:15:41) ‹+AoC› and they know they're in the wrong since they obfuscate the url to avoid automated filters

(21:16:24) ‹+AoC› Well, let's take the bird of happiness

(21:17:00) ‹+AoC› if left unchecked it could become ironic board culture, like le monkey face or 19.95 plus tip. Forced and spammed while adding nothing

(21:17:22) ‹+Bloom› im not leaving it unchecked ive been deleting it on sight since the first moment i saw it

(21:17:28) ‹+Bloom› i thought that was pretty obviously shit

(21:17:29) ‹+AoC› However, we take something like Kung Pow threads and the obligatory "now you have to post a stream"

(21:17:59) ‹+Bloom› yeah i was going to say something about that but im missing a piece of what i want to say

(21:18:02) ‹+AoC› I think the difference is how much a topic is genuinely enjoyed and not just forced

(21:18:21) ‹+AoC› and yeah, bird of happiness is spam scum, delete on sight in all forms

(21:18:31) ‹+Bloom› i was going to say for example those kung pow threads are ok, but something like (example thread that doesnt exist) is not ok, and it sonly because the kung pow thing has been around longer

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(21:19:24) ‹+AoC› my point is that it had the potential to be board culture if mods are asleep in the job, like it has happened several times before (btw im a girl, daily dose [thanks doc])

(21:19:44) ‹+AoC› I see what you're trying to say

(21:19:54) ‹+Bloom› thats exactly it

(21:20:15) ‹+AoC› that the board culture is somewhat arbitrary and determined only by age and the fact that there was less moderation before

(21:20:18) ‹+Bloom› most of this board culture stuff is just because it went unchecked and when moderation caught up to it users started bitching

(21:20:33) ‹+RapeApe9k› someone posts ponies in r9k. moot replies. dammit.

(21:21:30) ‹+AoC› ah shoot

(21:21:37) ‹+AoC› forgot about r9k limitations

(21:22:16) ‹+Bloom› and i totally understand wanting the users to have fun and its not that i want to take that away from them, but it makes my job harder and its unfair to other users who see those threads and think "oh so i can post stuff thats not about videogames and its fine" and then it gets deleted and they are mad and i completely understand why they are mad but i can't do anything because i just do what i was told is right

(21:22:26) ‹+Bloom› i rambled that last half and im not sure if it makes sense

(21:22:33) ‹+Bloom› what do you mean r9k limitations?

(21:22:38) ‹+AoC› I understand completely

(21:22:45) ‹+Bloom› you can't delete things if people reply to it?

(21:22:58) ‹+AoC› posted a short post that would surely be muted, but it went through because lol janitor

(21:23:03) ‹+AoC› hope nobody notices

(21:23:27) ‹+Bloom› i did that and someone noticed and nobody gave a fuck

(21:23:41) ‹+Bloom› just go on r9k and make a thread with just an image

(21:23:44) ‹+Bloom› see how mad they get

(21:23:45) ‹+Bloom› lol

(21:25:19) ‹+AoC› Anyway, I see where you're coming from since I faced something like that in old /jp/. Since we have vague rules and no interest from the inner party, it was just up to me to adjust policies and it was mostly arbitrary stuff just because past janitors allowed it so might as well continue that.

(21:26:03) ‹+RapeApe9k› Bloom, I can delete it, it's just that I don't want to fuck with something that moot's replying to.

(21:26:20) ‹+Bloom› my dream is that one day /v/ isn't a cesspool and i can actually go spend some time on /tv/ again

(21:26:28) ‹+RapeApe9k› And please don't purposefully circumvent the robot.

(21:26:29) ‹+Bloom› i would do it just to see what happens

(21:26:29) ‹+AoC› lol won't happen