*transcript copied 1/20/2013 7:18pm. channel *vectorlinux in IRC*

<twin2014> hello?
<roarde> hi, twin2014
<twin2014> hi, i just installed VL7.0 and trying to install a wireless usb adapter. totally new to linux and looking for assistance, am i in the right place?
<roarde> yes, twin2014, but we may need to resort to the forum for this
<roarde> but we'll try it here for now
<twin2014> thats fine i dont mind logging into the forum if more convenient
<twin2014> prob would be better if i can eventually get this thing installed anyway that other people can see it
<roarde> what wireless adapter is it?
<twin2014> thx for assistance, its a netis WF-2111
<roarde> come to think of it, just open up a terminal and do: 'iwconfig'
<twin2014> chipset is Realtek, i think its rtl8188cus
<twin2014> or something like that
<roarde> (with it plugged in, of course)
<twin2014> ya i just did lsusb and thats the chipset it listed
<twin2014> im chatting to you via a separate laptop on windows vista right now
<roarde> check iwconfig to see if it's been configured as a wireless device
<twin2014> ok one sec
<twin2014> next to 'lo' or 'eth0' or 'wlan0'?<bigpaws> We need the exact output from lspci exact rtl...
<roarde> don't know how familiar you are with freenode, but go slow: it might be considered "flood", which will get you disconnected
<roarde> bigpaws is much better with this
<roarde> bigpaws: you caught that we're working on a usb device?
<bigpaws> oops
<roarde> lsusb shows realtek
<twin2014> do you want the text output from iwconfig?
<bigpaws> Is there output
<roarde> yes, please. if it's long, well, do you know pastebin?
<twin2014> totally new to linux sry, i dont know what pastebin means
<roarde> tell ya what -- i'll let bigpaws ask ya for specific lines
<bigpaws> roarde: I will be in and out. After you get the needed module chak lsmod
<twin2014> wlan0     IEEE 802.11bgn  ESSID:off/any
<twin2014>           Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=0 dBm
<twin2014>           Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr=2347 B   Fragment thr:off
<twin2014>           Encryption key:off
<twin2014>           Power Management:on
<roarde> gonna check first to see if just maybe it has it
<bigpaws> It appears to be up
<roarde> twin2014: not a good idea to do that again, but thanks for the info\
<bigpaws> Now try iwlist scan.
<twin2014> sry, how do i paste it acceptably?
<bigpaws> See if your network shows up
<bigpaws> twin2014: As command use this: iwlist scan
<twin2014> all 3 say "interface doesnt support scanning."
<twin2014> and wlan0 after that says "network is down"
<roarde> visit http://pastebin.com
<roarde> paste text in the box, press "submit", and give us the resulting URL
<roarde> (if there's anything else to paste)
<twin2014> ah ic. thanks ill use that from now on
<bigpaws> twin2014: ifconfig wlan0 up
<twin2014> ok one moment
<bigpaws> then try the command: iwlist scan
<bigpaws> roarde: Family gets upset when dinner is late
<roarde> right. thinking of seeing what wicd will do
<roarde> presently, have someone with a security problem in prvmsg. should just take a minute or two
<twin2014> http://pastebin.com/E7HBqNgu
<bigpaws> Which network is yours?
<twin2014> ah each 'Cell#' is a network?
<bigpaws> yes
<bigpaws>  ESSID:"gaugestation"
<bigpaws> That is the network SSID
<twin2014> Cell 05
<twin2014> "Elainennw"
<roarde> should check to see whether wicd is running - probably is.
<roarde> and will interfere. or we can use it.
<roarde> trouble is, i've been on networkmanager long enough to forget how
<twin2014> bigpaws: any insight/comment?
<twin2014> roarde: talking to bigpaws, right?
<roarde> ok, got wicd up
<roarde> twin2014: there's a symbol near the lower left of your screen (i think) that looks a lot like the connection applet in vista. true?
<roarde> no, i'm asking you if you see something on your screen that looks kinda like the connection widget from Vista
<twin2014> are you talking about on the vista laptop im on right now or on the Linux desktop im troubleshooting?
<roarde> and sorry, make that lower right
<roarde> the Linux desktop
<twin2014> like on that application tray thing at the bottom?
<roarde> on the other hand, you could open the menu and look for "wicd (something)"
<twin2014> does wicd come preinstalled?
<roarde> yes, it does
<roarde> the next release uses networkmanager instead, but 7.0 (which you should stay with for now) uses wicd
<twin2014> looking
<roarde> if you
<roarde> if you're on the menu, look in the "network" section
<twin2014> i dont see 'network'
<twin2014> youre talking about the 'Menu" dropdown at the top left of the desktop, right?
<roarde> ok, you're probably looking at that tray
<roarde> yes
<twin2014> 'accessories', ... 'internet', .... 'system',.... no 'network'
<roarde> internet?
<twin2014> oh here we go
<twin2014> wicd network manager
<roarde> start it
<twin2014> sry missed that somehow before
<roarde> see if it lists networks. probably not, but let me know
<twin2014> nothing listed
<roarde> ok.
<roarde> at the right of the row "Network  Switch Off Wi-Fi Disconnect . . ."
<twin2014> is my adapter even installed correctly? i was having trouble understanding whether it was or not from all of the linux commands to enter and their output
<roarde> there's a small down-arrow. click that.
<twin2014> ok, im in prefernces now
<bigpaws> twin2014: It is installed.
<roarde> General Settings tab, should see "Network Interfaces"
<bigpaws> Most time the module (What you would refer to as a driver) is in the kernel
<bigpaws> No need to install nay modules.
<twin2014> ok, im at that tab
<bigpaws> Dinner is ready. I am not ignoring you
<roarde> is the "Wireless interface:" box filled in?
<twin2014> bigpaws: oh im sry, don't let me interrupt your dinner. roarde has been helping me.
<twin2014> roarde: blank
<roarde> more like "taking your time" to this point  :D
<roarde> ok, put in: wlan0
<twin2014> done
<roarde> no spaces, no caps. click "OK" at bottom, that window will disappear
<twin2014> done
<twin2014> ok hit refresh
<twin2014> im seeing networks now!
<roarde> gotta hand it to ya, yer quick!
<roarde> so connect already  :P
<twin2014> said requires encryption, new window came up
<roarde> uh-huh
<roarde> you know your wifi password, right?
<twin2014> yes, trying to remember type of encryption
<twin2014> does it say it in that cmd output?
<twin2014> one sec
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<roarde> is "psk" an option?
<roarde> if there's a blank for the pass, just fill that in and hope for the best
<roarde> ah. "WPA" (or WPA1)
<twin2014> ok but what are the different wpa types?
<twin2014> one sec
<roarde> don't really know. but click "properties" next to the net and select "WPA 1/2 (Preshared Key)
<twin2014> ok i selected that, trying to connect
<twin2014> hmm
<twin2014> says connection failed bad password, i just asked her what the pw is im pretty sure its correct
<twin2014> in the wicd network manager it shows the network as wpa2 though
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<roarde> what does the password look like? make up something similar-looking and share it
<twin2014> so would i select 'wpa2-peap' or 'wpa2-leap' in settings instead?
<roarde> try wpa 1/2 passphrase
<roarde> or is there a way to get the true password from the windows machine?
<roarde> make up a password that looks kinda similar and type it here
<twin2014> i just verified the password with her again letter for letter, i dont think thats the problem
<roarde> looking to see if it's hex digits, pure numbers, words, or what
<twin2014> its just lowercase alphanumeric
<twin2014> very simple
<roarde> any letters past "g" in the alphabet?
<twin2014> i tried both wpa 1/2 passphrase and shared key, still says bad password
<twin2014> *preshared key
<roarde> all i can suggest is running down the list.
<roarde> no, wait.
<roarde> close wicd and reboot
<roarde> it's a problem with our wicd installation
<roarde> one of the reasons for the change to networkmanager
<bigpaws> not sure about that
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<roarde> bigpaws: wanna work with wicd, or shut it down?
<twin2014> wait one sec
<twin2014> in windows it says the encryption type is AES
<bigpaws> right
<twin2014> and WPA-personal
<bigpaws> twin2014: Can you try following this tutorial: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wicd.html
<twin2014> sry WPA-2 personal
<twin2014> ok ill follow that link am i just selecting the wrong encryption type?
<bigpaws> I think the only problem is the actual connection. I just do my stuff manualy with rc.inet1.conf and wpa_supplicant
<bigpaws> That is a good chance
<bigpaws> twin2014: Try this on. It is from VL 6.0. It should work
<bigpaws> http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/02.Beginners-guide/Wicd-wireless/Wicd-wireless.htm
<twin2014> bigpaws, roarde: should i try rebooting and using wicd again first?
<bigpaws> Won't hurt
<twin2014> ok one moment
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<twin2014> now when i use wicd and try to refresh it doesnt even show any networks
<roarde> open preferences again and see if "wlan0" is still there
<twin2014> yes it is
<twin2014> do i need to turn it on again with ifconfig wlan0 up or something?
<roarde> in terminal, check "iwconfig"
<roarde> wicd should do that if it's running
<twin2014> what info do you need from that?
<roarde> does wlan0 look the same as before?
<twin2014> do you want me to pastebin or something specific?
<bigpaws> No need
<bigpaws> Is there the same output as before?
<twin2014> one sec
<roarde> ('ifconfig' would contain the word "UP")
<twin2014> no its not the same
<bigpaws> Ok as root type: ifconfig wlan0 up
<bigpaws> There will not be any output
<twin2014> it doesnt list 'encrytion key' and power management now says 'off' instead of 'on', also tx-power is now 20 dBm instead of 0
<bigpaws> Cool
<wigums> good
<bigpaws> Open the wireless icon you used on the desktop again
<roarde> (wicd)
<twin2014> ok i did ifconfig, opened wic
<twin2014> wicd
<bigpaws> Do you see a list of networks?
<twin2014> no
<twin2014> still not showing anyh
<bigpaws> USe the refresh button
<twin2014> ya thats what i was doing, nothing still
<bigpaws> ok
<twin2014> network interface in preferences still has wlan0
<bigpaws> Does the command ifconfig show wlan0?
<roarde> this looks like the old problem . . .
<roarde> Shut down. Not "reboot", but shut down. Wait a bit, start back up.
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<roarde> ("a bit" is a few seconds or so)
<twin2014> bigpaws: yes it does show wlan0, do you need pastebin?
<bigpaws> NO
<bigpaws> Sorry
<bigpaws> In the command line typr iwlist scan
<bigpaws> typr/ type
<twin2014> wlan0 says 'no scan results'
<twin2014> do you want me to shut down or put something else in the command line?
<twin2014> 'typr/ type' ? i dont understand
<bigpaws> In the command line type ifconfig wlan0 down
<twin2014> done
<bigpaws> tpypr/type is spelling correction
<bigpaws> Remove the USB device and plug it back in
<twin2014> done
<twin2014> it shows again in lsusb
<twin2014> do ifconfig wlan0 up again?
<bigpaws> yes
<twin2014> done. does it matter if wicd has been open during all of this?
<bigpaws> Learning already
<bigpaws> IT shoulkd not
<twin2014> ok i just closed it now
<bigpaws> I apologize, bad fingers
<bigpaws> Ok
<bigpaws> After the ifconfig commnd then try ifconfig and look for wlan0
<twin2014> its there
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<bigpaws> Cool
<bigpaws> Now iwlist scan
<twin2014> ok worked that time, showing networks. open wicd and check?
<bigpaws> Yep
<bigpaws> You are following right along. Great job
<twin2014> ok see networks, opened properties of mine
<twin2014> this is where i couldnt get past last time
<bigpaws> ok
<twin2014> i have the right password, i have wpa 1/2 passphrase selected for encryption
<twin2014> should i use that or something else?
<bigpaws> Are you using PAssphrase or PSK it should be in ()
<twin2014> in the wicd network manager window it says my network is WPA2
<bigpaws> Right I am looking for WPA 1/2 (Passphrase)/ WPA 2 (PresharedKEy)
<twin2014> not sure if its passphrase or psk, you're saying one should have the password enclosed in parentheses? ()
<bigpaws> It is in a drop down list
<twin2014> oh sry both of those options are there
<twin2014> you want me to try both with the password?
<roarde> lemme check something. i'll probably get disconnected, but will return
<bigpaws> You may need to open Advanced settings
<bigpaws> ONe and then the other
<twin2014> trying to connect with wpa 1/2 passphrase
<bigpaws> Ok if that one fails then  try with preshared ket
<twin2014> it hung on msg: " validating authentication.." then says 'connection failed: bad password" like last time
<twin2014> trying psk
<bigpaws> ok
<roarde> did you check the box next to the password so that you could see what you're typing?
<twin2014> ya
<roarde> (had to ask)
<twin2014> same result
<bigpaws> ok
<roarde> bigpaws: wanna shut down wicd?
<bigpaws> NOt yet
<roarde> k
<twin2014> roarde, bigpaws: im gonna try reconnected to network with windows laptop im on, just to double check that she knows her password correctly
<twin2014> will disconnect and then try to reconnect to irc
<bigpaws> Good idesa
<twin2014> she swears its right but dont want to give you guys a headache if shes wrong
<twin2014> gonna disconnect
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<twin201400> roarde,bigpaws: just doublechecked the password, its correct
<bigpaws> ok
<twin201400> thats why you have trouble typing eh? it must be the bigpaws?
<roarde> I have to wonder whether assigned ip's are all used.
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<bigpaws> Yes
<twin201400> dunno if this helps, but i just tried connecting to an unsecured network, and it hung on "obtaining ip address..." then said "cant get ip address"
<twin201400> *"connection failed: unable to get ip address"*
<bigpaws> ok
<bigpaws> In the command line type: iwconfig wlan0 essid Elainennw
<twin201400> done
<bigpaws> Now see if iwconfig wlan0 output look different
<twin201400> yes, it has the ssid instead of "off/any"
<bigpaws> Cool
<bigpaws> Type wpa_gui
<twin201400> its up
<bigpaws> Do you see the networK?
<twin201400> no. "status: could not get status from wpa_supplicant" in current status tab
<bigpaws> ok close it
<bigpaws> Now try wicd
<twin201400> no networks found again
<twin201400> should i ifconfig wlan0 down, unplug, up again?
<bigpaws> Did the output of ifconfig change?
<bigpaws> Shutdown the system, wait 10 seconds and start again
<twin201400> sry not sure, i didnt save the output of that previously
<bigpaws> Do not just restart
<bigpaws> np
<bigpaws> np=no problem
<twin201400> ya got it
<twin201400> it still shows something for wlan0
<bigpaws> Do the shutdown wait and start
<twin201400> shutdown and restart?
<twin201400> one sec
<twin201400> restarting
<bigpaws> Ok
<twin201400> i like how fast the OS boots up, esp on this old machine i got
<twin201400> ok back on desktop
<bigpaws> Ok Open WICD
<twin201400> ok i see networks
<bigpaws> Cool
<roarde> just click on "connect" for the one you want
<bigpaws> Faster typer than me
<roarde> (don't go for "properties" until it makes ya)
<twin201400> i tried just connecting, it mustve saved properties from before cause its outputting same result as last time
<twin201400> connection failed: bad password
<roarde> twin201400: do you have a few minutes to spare?
<twin201400> ya why?
<roarde> i need to reboot to look at another method
<twin201400> ok
<bigpaws> twin201400: Open the preferences tab in WICD
<roarde> or wait - can do it without reboot, but will probably get d/c'd
<twin201400> bigpaws: open
<bigpaws> What WPA Supplicant Driver is listed?
<twin201400> wext
<bigpaws> Ok do you see the wireless interface and is wlan0 listed>?
<twin201400> yes
<bigpaws> Go to the connection and click on advanced settings
<twin201400> properties for my network or 'advanced settings' tab in wicd preferences?
<bigpaws> AS in the network you want to connect to
<twin201400> im on the properties page of my network
<bigpaws> Go to options
<twin201400> dont see that anywhere
<twin201400> window up says "Elainennw - Properties"
<twin201400> buttons at bottom are scripts, information, cancel, ok
<bigpaws> Right you need open an advanced or options window for that network
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<bigpaws> We need you to change the encryption
<twin201400> the window i have up shows the encryption type and the key
<bigpaws> Did you try this USB device in Windows to connect to this network
<twin201400> i dont see an 'options' anywhere though
<bigpaws> ok
<twin201400> no i havent yet
<bigpaws> How old is this device
<twin201400> i just bought it at frys
<bigpaws> Can I have the name model and version number.
<twin201400> do you want me to disc and try to use the adapter on my windows laptop?
<bigpaws> Not yet
<twin201400> its a netis WF-2111
<twin201400> it says on the box it supports linux. both on cd and on netis website there is a linux driver/module
<twin201400> http://www.netis-systems.com/en/Products/Wireless%20USB%20Adapters/73.html#.Ut3NlhDTneM
<bigpaws> I am doing some reading for this
<twin201400> k
<bigpaws> what is the output of uname -r
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<twin201400> 3.0.8
<twin201400> wondering if VL7.0 had bad install?
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<bigpaws> output of: lsmod | grep r8192
<bigpaws> | = pipe above the enter key
<twin201400> maybe i typed something wrong but it didnt give me any output
<bigpaws> output: ifconfig and check for wlan0
<twin201400> wlan0 is gone
<bigpaws> cold reboot please
<bigpaws> shutdown then start
<twin201400> meaning shut down, wait 10 secs, restart?
<bigpaws> yes
<twin201400> shutting down
<twin201400> restarting
<twin201400> is it possible it has wrong driver configured with it or something?
<twin201400> ie using 8192 but should be using 8188?
<bigpaws> There are alot of possibilities
<bigpaws> It can be either
<twin201400> ok
<twin201400> on desktop
<bigpaws> I am not trying to be vague
<twin201400> no i understand
<twin201400> what next?
<bigpaws> I am looking in to that
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<roarde> how goes it?
<bigpaws> What is the plan for this laptop? As in is this only going to be used on this network?
<twin201400> are you and roarde in irc often? do you mind if i get an email contact for you guys just in case?
<twin201400> for right now yes
<bigpaws> I am on the forum. www.forum.vectorlinux.com
<roarde> actually, a visit to  http://forum.vectorlinux.com  would be more worthwhile
<twin201400> ok
<roarde> I'm beginning to think that the driver doesn't fully support encryption.
<twin201400> bigpaws: do you want me to try something on the laptop? or try to use the adapter on the laptop?
<roarde> There's a way to use the windows driver for it, but others know that better than I do.
<twin201400> why cant i connect to an unsecured network then?
<twin201400> does that use encryption too?
<roarde> good question
<bigpaws> roarde: It is a newer device and supports wpa 2
<roarde> and here i sit without a good answer
<bigpaws> The reason could be dhcpc clobering itself
<twin201400> would installing some other version of linux and testing the adapter on that be helpful?
<twin201400> would other linux distros have different drivers/modules?
<roarde> actually, it's the same except for the age of 7.0
<twin201400> i meant as in non slackware
<bigpaws> VL is not slackware
<bigpaws> What is this laptop
<roarde> the kernel is basically the same across linuxes
<twin201400> what type of linux is it based on then?
<twin201400> whoever edited that part of wikipedia was wrong then lol'
<bigpaws> Losely on Slackware
<roarde> where is wicd.pid located?
<bigpaws> ps aux | grep wicd
<twin201400> bigpaws: one sec
<bigpaws> That was for roarde
<twin201400> oh sry
<roarde> there's some file that tends to hang around which causes problems
<roarde> heh.
<bigpaws> brb
<bigpaws> exit
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<roarde> twin201400: unplug the wireless, wait about half a minute, then see what iwconfig has to say
<twin201400> ok
<roarde> (don't plug it back in)
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<bigpaws> Had to reset irssi to unignore joins/parts/quit
<bigpaws> Hope it worked
<roarde> by the way, is that a laptop, desktop, or what?
<twin201400> lo and eth0 listed, no wlan0. both say 'no wireless extensions'
<twin201400> desktop is running vectorlinux7
<bigpaws> Nice the config change worked
<roarde> ok. just making sure that device is what we were looking at
<bigpaws> Sorry that was for em
<bigpaws> twin201400: ps aux | grep dhcp
<twin201400> need pastebin or something specific?
<bigpaws> Was there more than one line of ouput?
<roarde> how many lines? keep in mind that long lines will wrap. lines begin with a username, either yours or "root"
<roarde> one of the lines will mention "grep chcp". ignore that one.
<roarde> heh.
<twin201400> root      3428  0.0  0.1   2440   788 pts/0    S+   02:25   0:00 grep dhcp
<roarde> that the only line?
<twin201400> You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/root
<bigpaws> ok
<bigpaws> Try wicd
<roarde> do: hostname
<roarde> (before cranking wicd back up)
<twin201400> sry it takes awhile to get you the output, im using a flash drive and resaving a .txt file
<roarde> i was wondering how you were managing that  :P
<twin201400> lol
<bigpaws> twin201400: ps aux | grep dhcp > output.txt
<bigpaws> Would output the text to a text file
<twin201400> ah nice thx
<twin201400> wicd open
<twin201400> no networks
<bigpaws> Damn
<roarde> device is still unplugged?
<twin201400> yes
<roarde> ok
<twin201400> wlan0 still in prefs
<bigpaws> So is this the permenant location for it. Or will it be moved to another location
<roarde> do you know about 'su' or 'becoming root'?
<twin201400> well to execute commands as root i need to first login using 'su -' right?
<bigpaws> yes
<bigpaws> su = swith user
<roarde> that'll work. go ahead and do that.
<twin201400> bigpaws: permanent location?... of the desktop or the adapter?
<bigpaws> Both. I can probably get you setup without wicd
<bigpaws> Howeer it will be text files not a  gui
<roarde> What he's suggesting is that it will be inconvenient to connect to a different router/hotspot if that is done.
<bigpaws> That is why I asked about future plans for this system
<roarde> what's the name of the realtek module?
<twin201400> bigpaws: not permanent for either... i dont really care whether setup is text/gui... just at this point i need to figure out a solution that is simple and reproducible and doesnt restrict me to one setup
<twin201400> i mean windows has its faults but something like this for me coming to linux for the first time is really frustrating have to spend a day or two researching for a small usb adapter setup
<twin201400> roarde: name of realtek module?
<bigpaws> That is the fault of the hardware not linux
<twin201400> let me check
<roarde> twin201400: actually a question for bigpaws
<roarde> twin201400: plug the adapter back in
<twin201400> its what shows up with lsusb right?
<bigpaws> roarde: r8192s_usb
<bigpaws> For me to install Windows is 8+ hours. For Linux is about 1 hour or so.
<bigpaws> The problem is that realtek does not publish the hardware specs to write drivers for it.
<twin201400> bigpaws: was just venting a little, have no desire to turn this into a win/linux debate/flamewar. and i really appreciate your guys' help
<bigpaws> I understand that.
<bigpaws> If Realtek published it's hardware specs a perfect driver would be working./
<roarde> bigpaws: how would i find if i have that driver available?
<bigpaws> cat /boot/config...
<twin201400> bigpaws: should i plug the adapter back in or no?
<bigpaws> Does it show in ifconfig?
<bigpaws> roarde: You need to cat the kernel config
<twin201400> bigpaws: talking to me or roarde about ifconfig?
<bigpaws> The ifconfig is for you
<twin201400> wlan0 is gone from ifconfig
<twin201400> its currently still unplugged
<bigpaws> Ok. Plug it ion and check again
<roarde> bigpaws: RTL8192U ?
<bigpaws> That is the similar chipset.
<twin201400> checked again
<bigpaws> twin201400: Also not that even if the wireless card ahs the same name another version may use a different chipset
<twin201400> right
<bigpaws> twin201400: Is wlan0 there
<twin201400> is the chipset whats shown from lsusb though?
<twin201400> no its not
<bigpaws> yes
<twin201400> well lsusb says its RTL8188CUS
<twin201400> how is RTL8192U related?
<bigpaws> Same type of chipset. Some manufactures use similar chipsets with a different name
<roarde> twin201400: have you done 'su' yet?
<twin201400> im in console as root right now
<bigpaws> Enough to cahnge the name but so similar the drivers are the same
<wigums> roarde, always use "su -" to get to root
<roarde> twin201400: /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd stop
<bigpaws> ifconfig wlan0 up
<roarde> errrg
<twin201400> *explodes*
<twin201400> lol
<bigpaws> hehe
<twin201400> which should i do?
<bigpaws> wicd stop first
<roarde> you'll get an error message box from wicd-client. just click "ok" or whatever
<twin201400> ok
<twin201400> one sec
<twin201400> it said stopping wicd daemon and closing connections
<twin201400> now do ifconfig wlan0 up?
<bigpaws> yes
<bigpaws> Then check ifconfig for wlan0
<twin201400> its therre
<bigpaws> ok
<twin201400> roarde: wicd was still open when i did that cmd, no error box showed up.
<roarde> odd. oh, well.
<twin201400> after doing ifconfig i just realized its still open and closed wicd
<bigpaws> np
<bigpaws> iwconfig wlan0 essid Elainennw
<twin201400> wlan0 was updated
<bigpaws> Cool
<bigpaws> wpa_passphrase essid passphrase
<bigpaws> change essid to your essid and passphrase to the one for the network
<bigpaws> wpa_passphrase essid passphrase >> /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
<bigpaws> That will use the info you got to the config file you need
<twin201400> one sec
<twin201400> ok
<twin201400> should i open that config file now to check it or?
<bigpaws> yes
<twin201400> i take it with linux >> is similar to c++ iostream?
<bigpaws> You will need to edit that file
<roarde> cat /etc/wpa_suppicant.conf   will just print it out (short file)
<bigpaws> similarities
<twin201400> what program should i open it with?
<bigpaws> try nano /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
<bigpaws> There is tab completion in the shell
<twin201400> "try nano... or "nano ..."?
<bigpaws> nano /etc/wpa_supplicant.con
<bigpaws> nano /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
<bigpaws> nano is an editor you can use.
<bigpaws> Easier than vi
<bigpaws> or emacs
<twin201400> ok its open
<roarde> (terminal should be "Terminal")
<bigpaws> append # the line that says psk+your passphrase. Not the hex number
<bigpaws> network={ ssid="essid" #psk="passphrase" psk=f5d1c49e15e679bebe385c37648d4141bc5c9297796a8a185d7bc5ac62f954e3
<bigpaws> network={
<bigpaws> ssid="essid"
<bigpaws>  #psk="passphrase"
<twin201400> its already got the #
<bigpaws>  psk=f5d1c49e15e679bebe385c37648d4141bc5c9297796a8a185d7bc5ac62f954e3
<bigpaws> }
<bigpaws> Oh cool
<bigpaws> then close the file
<twin201400> k
<bigpaws> AS root
<bigpaws> wpa_supplicant -B -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
<twin201400> wait a sec maybe i did something wrong
<twin201400> when i enter that cmd line again to open the file it doesnt have that stuff at the bottom
<twin201400> and now theres a separate file in /etc called wpa_supplicant.conf.save
<roarde> twin201400: which command line did you retype?
<bigpaws> Ok. Check the file this way
<bigpaws> less /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
<twin201400> ok
<bigpaws> Is the file ok?
<twin201400> it looks diff now
<twin201400> should i redo some of the steps before
<twin201400> that ssid and passphrase stuff maybe
<bigpaws> Can you pastebin that info
<twin201400> how do i exit this 'less' mode?
<bigpaws> I have to move to another computer
<roarde> typing 'q' quits less
<twin201400> oh sry no the file is fine
<roarde> (typing 'h' gives help, btw. you'll use 'less' often)
<twin201400> i hadnt scrolled down all the way
<bigpaws> ok
<bigpaws> AS root
<bigpaws> type this
<bigpaws> wpa_supplicant -B -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
<twin201400> line 22: invalid psk '.......
<twin201400> line 22: failed to parse psk .....
<twin201400> line 24: wpa-psk accepted for key management, but no psk configured
<twin201400> line 24: failed to parse network block
<twin201400> failed to read or parse configuration .....
<bigpaws> Can you pastebin the file /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
* wigums (~wigums@unaffiliated/wigums) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
<twin201400> where does > output.txt end up?
<roarde> actually, in your home directory
<roarde> or in /root
* wigums (~wigums@unaffiliated/wigums) has joined #vectorlinux
<roarde> we should find out where that thumbdrive is mounted
<roarde> would make things easier
<twin201400> i tried cat ____ > output.txt for that supplicant file i cant find the output txt file
<roarde> ls /root/output.txt   and   ls  ~/output.txt
<bigpaws> I am back
<roarde> but it would still have to be moved to the thumbdrive
<twin201400> one sec im copying it
<bigpaws> no fun moving from 3 23 inch screens to one 15inch screen
<twin201400> http://pastebin.com/xma9XwSp
<roarde> a working example (afaict): http://pastie.org/8652443
<twin201400> i replaced each char of psk with '*'
<twin201400> (in the paste, not the file)
<bigpaws> Is that the pasphrase? 4311..
<roarde> bigpaws: that's my file from my machine
<roarde> as an example
<bigpaws> Ah
<bigpaws> I was wondering about that ssid
<roarde> heh.
<roarde> Would it complain and hang on the "example" WPA protected network?
<roarde> bigpaws: you have the pastebin (not pastie) copy up now, right?
<bigpaws> yes
<bigpaws> no pastie
<roarde>  http://pastebin.com/xma9XwSp
<bigpaws> I got it now
<roarde> would the WPA example cause it to hang?
<bigpaws> twin201400: you there?
<twin201400> ya
<twin201400> whats up?
<bigpaws> You need to edit the file
<twin201400> ok
<roarde> if you like, as root 'leafpad /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf'
<twin201400> ok
<twin201400> its open in nano
<twin201400> open in leafpad instead
<bigpaws> http://pastebin.com/fQRu2fjE
<twin201400> is that the linux equivalent of ms notepad?
<bigpaws> doesn't matter
<bigpaws> no
<bigpaws> a little more powerfull
<bigpaws> Save that file as wpa_supplicant.conf
<twin201400> ok
<bigpaws> Then you can transfer it to the other machine or you can edit by hand
<roarde> btw, you can leave #psk as asterisks -- doesn't matter
<twin201400> ok done
<twin201400> i put the pw back in
<bigpaws> wpa_supplicant -B -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
<roarde> if you've saved the file, using the up-arrow key several times can recall the wpa_supplicant command
<twin201400> ya gotcha
<twin201400> same output as before
<bigpaws> Doesn't really matter. We don't know where you live
<roarde> twin201400: copy your existing /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf to /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf.bak
<bigpaws> wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
<bigpaws> Try that one
<roarde> (or do that first)
<roarde> (just plain "do that first")
<twin201400> same output
<roarde> back up the file you have. replace it with http://pastie.org/8652443
<roarde> do the appropriate edits, of course
<bigpaws> Then edit with your information
<twin201400> you guys still gonna be on irc in about 30min-1hr?
<bigpaws> More than likely
<roarde> http://pastie.org/pastes/8652443/text    will be easier to work with
<twin201400> i gotta stop and eat something i dont know how much longer i can do this
<bigpaws> ok
<roarde> i'm gonna try something and bbiab
<twin201400> do you guys have the same usernames in the forum? is there some way to send you messages directly on the forum?
<bigpaws> I do
<roarde> same here
<bigpaws> There is a pm there
<roarde> but you'd be better off asking under "Networking & Security" or better yet, "Vectorbie Questions"
<twin201400> ok ill prob be back in 30min-hr, otherwise ill have to msg you another time on the forum. thx so much for your help so far, just wish i could get this dumb thing working.
<roarde> but if you want pm, from the menu bar near the top, members > search for members (tab)  is about the easiest way
<roarde> off to check out something
<twin201400> ok
<twin201400> ttyl