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other Highlights from 2nd February 2013

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  1. (00:57:53) +Volphied370: hi
  2. (00:58:08) +scrubadour: yo
  3. (00:58:22) +BluRay: what do you think about the /vp/ vs reddit thing
  4. (00:58:47) +Volphied370: fine by me
  5. (00:59:16) +BluRay: same, hell I'm encouraging it
  6. (00:59:40) +BluRay: suggested several different formats to play
  7. (01:00:08) +BluRay: they seem intent on following through with it
  8. (01:00:34) +BluRay: so it should be fun to see how it turns out
  9. (01:01:39) +BluRay: as long as they keep it civil, ofc
  10. (01:03:52) +scrubadour: oh, is /vp/ going to pokebattle against reddit?
  11. (01:04:10) +scrubadour: that sounds creative
  12.  
  13. (01:24:09) +Thesmothete: /v/ is quieter than I thought it'd be.
  14. (01:24:55) +BluRay: it won't last
  15. (01:25:30) +Thesmothete: I'm sure tomorrow I'll feel like a rookie police officer in Detroit.
  16. (01:26:11) +tjanster: Doubt it
  17. (01:27:40) +tjanster: You'll feel like an expert
  18.  
  19. (01:51:17) +Thesmothete: So, I have a guy spamming furry porn in a thread that's actually video games, but everybody has kind of abandoned it.
  20. (01:51:28) +BluRay: you hold up right now
  21. (01:51:43) +BluRay: we need the other /jp/ guys
  22. (01:51:44) +Thesmothete: I submitted a ban request, but should I keep deleting his posts, or just take down the thread?
  23. (01:51:53) +Thesmothete: Nobody has talked about videogames for a while, in it.
  24. (01:52:01) +BluRay: to go over policy with you
  25. (01:53:19) +Volphied370: don´t let the furfags think they can delete threads by spamming them
  26.  
  27. (07:37:00) +Kazisho: dongfix https://boards.4chan.org/v/res/174359420
  28. (07:40:25) @dongfix: don't care about sounds anymore sorry
  29. [...]
  30. (07:41:04) +fsdfdsf: hahahha
  31. (07:41:25) +Kazisho: Fuk.
  32. (07:42:19) +Volphied370: How about instead of thinking up filters, we just ban request them
  33. (07:42:27) +Volphied370: there´s no script to prevent thread deletions
  34. (07:43:09) +Kazisho: YET.
  35. (07:43:31) +fsdfdsf: We should just ban their images
  36. (07:43:35) +Volphied370: no, really. The soundfags in /a/ are now laying low due to frequent deletions
  37. (07:43:41) +Kazisho: They will create more images.
  38. (07:43:46) +Volphied370: the same has to be done in /v/
  39. (07:43:52) +fsdfdsf: I know, felt good to say though
  40. (07:45:31) +Kazisho: Doesn't that go under "Intentionally evading spam/post filters." now.
  41. (07:45:52) +Volphied370: yes
  42.  
  43. (07:57:55) +Kazisho: Also, that fucking "What's /vp/" screenshot. Still makes me angry.
  44. (07:58:47) SerWind: What's vp
  45. (07:59:00) SerWind: ;)
  46. (07:59:35) +Kazisho: It just was horrible.
  47. (08:02:38) SerWind: What's vp like anyway
  48. (08:02:41) SerWind: I don't go
  49. (08:02:49) SerWind: It seems like one of the more peaceful boards
  50. (08:04:05) +Kazisho: It used to be rude in the past.
  51.  
  52. (08:56:52) +AoC: yeah, at least bad anime fanart is related to the board
  53. (08:56:59) +AoC: unlike the "autism thread!" in /v/
  54.  
  55. (10:17:09) +fsdfdsf: It's woxxxy
  56. (10:17:10) +duanemoody: (if foolz is secretly run by us, i didn't know)
  57. (10:17:16) +fsdfdsf: It isn't
  58. (10:17:17) +duanemoody: who dat
  59. (10:17:23) +fsdfdsf: The guy that runs foolz
  60. (10:17:30) +AoC: the archive line never dies
  61. (10:17:42) +duanemoody: ?
  62.  
  63. (11:04:29) +Azatsu: No AoC
  64. (11:04:32) +Azatsu: Kronies is /v/ native
  65. (11:04:43) +Azatsu: he himself said that he left /v/ because it was too shitty for him
  66. (11:06:04) +AoC: well I'll be damned
  67. (11:06:33) +AoC: not that surprising when you think about it, 2011 /v/ was a veritable breeding ground
  68.  
  69. (13:02:10) @ALTERNATIVE: why is the template gone for rule 3
  70. (13:02:12) +duanemoody: bug the man who does
  71. (13:02:16) +duanemoody: ASK HIM
  72. (13:02:20) @ALTERNATIVE: was there a reason
  73. (13:02:20) +Kazisho: Because apparently it was abused.
  74. (13:02:31) +Kazisho: I don't know why, though.
  75. (13:02:32) +duanemoody: and no one cared to tell us
  76. (13:02:47) +duanemoody: so poof, 1 or 6
  77. (13:02:50) +duanemoody: that's all you got
  78. (13:03:03) @ALTERNATIVE: can you use notes in ban requests
  79. (13:03:06) +duanemoody: NOPE
  80. (13:03:15) +duanemoody: that was too confusing
  81. (13:03:20) +dashiCRAY: so in the I'll just go with 6 in the mean time
  82. (13:03:21) @ALTERNATIVE: how did you guys fuck up so hard they limited you this much
  83. (13:03:29) +duanemoody: WOULDN'T KNOW, NO ONE TOLD US
  84. (13:03:42) @ALTERNATIVE: I mean I know there was a gigantic clusterfuck thanks to idiots ban requesting everything under child porn
  85. (13:03:56) +dashiCRAY: It was before my time, I'm immune to blame
  86. (13:04:31) +duanemoody: but thanks for assuming we fucked up alternative
  87. (13:04:50) +duanemoody: great vote of confidence
  88. (13:05:02) @ALTERNATIVE: you said yourself that it was abused
  89. (13:05:10) +duanemoody: i said nothing of the sort
  90. (13:05:11) @ALTERNATIVE: oh no kaz did
  91. (13:05:24) @ALTERNATIVE: so if it was abused
  92. (13:05:26) @ALTERNATIVE: that is fucking up
  93. (13:05:32) @ALTERNATIVE: doesn't mean you did it
  94. [...]
  95. (13:05:41) +duanemoody: well good thing we can't abuse it now
  96. (13:06:05) +VCR_Working: the point is it was taken away and we can't use it anymore
  97. (13:06:12) +VCR_Working: so wakarimasen
  98. (13:06:17) +VCR_Working: anywayyyy
  99. (13:06:23) +duanemoody: the point is no one bothered to explain anything to us, we just woke up unable to use it
  100. (13:06:28) +Kazisho: We don't know who is responsible for it and honestly, I don't even care, but it's bad to take it away from everyone, in my opinion.
  101.  
  102. (13:18:46) +duanemoody: when new.php was still working some of that was easier to judge alternative
  103. (13:18:52) +duanemoody: but ok
  104. (13:19:07) @ALTERNATIVE: if you treat ban requests less of a tool and more as a last resort
  105. (13:19:18) +duanemoody: NOW i understand that
  106. (13:19:18) @ALTERNATIVE: then there may be less overuse
  107. (13:19:29) +duanemoody: i was not told this a year ago when i started
  108. [...]
  109. (13:19:42) @ALTERNATIVE: okay cool would you like to yell at me some more about that
  110. (13:19:51) @ALTERNATIVE: I'm just telling you things in an attempt to help you
  111. (13:19:53) +VCR_Working: easy there duane
  112. (13:20:09) +duanemoody: no, i'm genuinely grateful to understand this now
  113. (13:20:11) +duanemoody: no sarcasm
  114. (13:20:15) @ALTERNATIVE: sweet
  115. (13:20:22) +duanemoody: i just feel bad we made it harder for you guys
  116. (13:20:25) @ALTERNATIVE: dont think I'm not on your side
  117. [...]
  118. (13:20:33) @ALTERNATIVE: just because I say things like yall fucked up
  119. (13:20:35) @ALTERNATIVE: I fuck up too
  120. (13:20:36) @ALTERNATIVE: we all do!
  121. (13:20:50) +VCR_Working: but yeah i have been extremely reserved with brs in the past, but i've been forced to escalate things as of late
  122. (13:20:51) @ALTERNATIVE: I pissed off /sp/ for months on end it was not fun
  123. (13:21:15) +Kazisho: I hate the "us" and "them" mindset that's sometimes going on here.
  124. (13:21:33) @ALTERNATIVE: you are part of the community you moderate
  125. (13:21:48) +Kazisho: No, I meant janis and mods.
  126. (13:21:51) @ALTERNATIVE: oh okay
  127. [...]
  128. (13:23:09) @ALTERNATIVE: both janitors and moderators are just users of the site that have the ability to remove posts
  129. [...]
  130. (13:23:53) @ALTERNATIVE: we're all working towards the same goal
  131. (13:23:57) @ALTERNATIVE: I was more addressing Kazisho's point
  132. (13:24:02) @ALTERNATIVE: we are separated, it's true
  133. (13:24:07) @ALTERNATIVE: but we're also working together
  134. (13:24:19) +duanemoody: i have no idea what you do besides review my BRs
  135. (13:24:30) @ALTERNATIVE: the same thing as you
  136. (13:24:30) +duanemoody: i assume you read boards and intercede like janitors do
  137. (13:24:37) +duanemoody: so i was right
  138. (13:24:38) +duanemoody: ok
  139. (13:24:39) @ALTERNATIVE: yeah
  140. (13:24:44) @ALTERNATIVE: and reports and appeals
  141. (13:24:55) @ALTERNATIVE: and handling extra problems from people on irc
  142. (13:25:08) @ALTERNATIVE: we're the face people end up seeing when they have an issue
  143. (13:25:16) +duanemoody: which is never fun
  144. (13:25:20) @ALTERNATIVE: so we have to communicate between the users and the rest of the team
  145. (13:25:41) @ALTERNATIVE: like when someone complains at me about a ban I'll come in here and try and figure out the reasoning behind it
  146. [...]
  147. (13:44:16) +AoC: >using BR as more of a last resort
  148. (13:44:24) +AoC: I disagree ALTERNATIVE
  149. (13:44:34) @ALTERNATIVE: why
  150. (13:44:41) @ALTERNATIVE: you have always been harsher than you should be
  151. [...]
  152. (13:45:00) +AoC: because we keep treating bans as if they were the last step and the last line we should cross
  153. [...]
  154. (13:45:14) +AoC: while the users treat is a 5m router reset
  155. [...]
  156. (13:45:27) +duanemoody: AoC has a point here
  157. (13:45:36) @ALTERNATIVE: my response was going to be
  158. (13:45:38) @ALTERNATIVE: "so?"
  159. (13:46:09) @ALTERNATIVE: when you are heavy handed and excessive with bans, it only hurts people who aren't the most terrible people on 4chan
  160. (13:46:40) +AoC: so we use the tools that we have in order to make environment hostile to the board threats, rather than keep ourselves needlessly limited in what we can do
  161. (13:46:41) @ALTERNATIVE: the people who will evade anyway are slightly annoyed by bans, but someone who is innocently making a mistake is confused and lost
  162. (13:46:51) +Anikitan: wouldn't people learn more from getting a 3 day ban than getting their post deleted?
  163. (13:46:59) +Anikitan: especially if they can't evade
  164. (13:47:04) +AoC: I agree that with the current system the only bans that stick are the false positives by definition
  165. (13:47:11) @ALTERNATIVE: yeah, thats why you'd use it when they repeat their same mistake
  166. (13:47:23) +duanemoody: i thought the new system showed people their post
  167. (13:47:23) +Anikitan: but we never know when people repeat their mistakes
  168. (13:47:30) @ALTERNATIVE: you do if they do the same damn thing twice
  169. (13:47:31) +duanemoody: as well as their reason
  170. (13:47:38) @ALTERNATIVE: it does, and it is great
  171. (13:47:39) +AoC: but that means we need to check the system itself rather than "ok, let's be even more lenient and allow the entropy to keep growing unchecked"
  172. (13:47:48) @ALTERNATIVE: I'm not saying never ban request people
  173. (13:47:51) +Anikitan: not if they're anonymous, and they're doing the exact same thing but differently
  174. (13:47:53) +duanemoody: no, we do not know when people repeat their mistakes because we can't see their IPs
  175. (13:47:55) @ALTERNATIVE: I'm saying dont do it so fucking much
  176. (13:48:19) +duanemoody: this point keeps eluding mods when we talk about this
  177. (13:48:29) +duanemoody: we can only GUESS who's repeating
  178. (13:48:30) @ALTERNATIVE: reposting deleted materials is worthy of a ban
  179. (13:48:40) +AoC: we can't tell if reposts or samefag
  180. (13:48:45) +duanemoody: ^
  181. (13:48:47) @dongfix|cctv: poster identification is not something you are going to get
  182. (13:48:52) @ALTERNATIVE: tru.dat
  183. (13:48:53) +AoC: unless we use BR btw, which allows a bit of tracking
  184. (13:49:04) +AoC: we know, we know
  185. (13:49:05) +duanemoody: telepathy is also something we are not going to get
  186. (13:49:07) +AoC: because of trust
  187. [...]
  188. (13:50:19) @ALTERNATIVE: being lenient is better than being heavy handed with bans
  189. (13:50:32) @ALTERNATIVE: if you feel you need to make a ban request that option is still there for you!
  190. (13:50:37) +duanemoody: i have to assume you get a lot of complaints about bans
  191. (13:50:44) @ALTERNATIVE: of course but it's been like that for years
  192. (13:50:46) %Aerolite: yes, look at /q/
  193. [...]
  194. (13:50:56) @ALTERNATIVE: since the site started
  195. (13:50:57) +duanemoody: /q/ is painful to read
  196. (13:51:04) @ALTERNATIVE: I used to monitor banned@4chan.org
  197. (13:51:15) @ALTERNATIVE: before appeals!
  198. (13:51:19) +duanemoody: whoa
  199. (13:51:57) @ALTERNATIVE: so please, don't feel like I'm telling you never to ban request, just try to approach it less-harsh stance
  200. (13:52:38) @ALTERNATIVE: I'll see the stupidest shit sometimes and I can't imagine what went through someone's head that lead them to the point where they felt like they had to post it
  201. (13:52:50) @ALTERNATIVE: then one click of a mouse and it's gone
  202. [...]
  203. (13:53:14) @ALTERNATIVE: sure, something like it will eventually pop back up
  204. (13:53:34) +AoC: and I'm telling you that Inner Party is free to disagree with the ban requests and just not approve them, but that we need the BR as the slap in the hand that it is most of the time. The day I stop BR for lol le russle face xD is the day I give up on the idea of ever turning things over
  205.  
  206. (14:11:16) +AoC: whoever deleted the image in this thread
  207. (14:11:17) +AoC: https://boards.4chan.org/v/res/174421714
  208. [...]
  209. (14:11:36) +AoC: please next time go the whole way and delete the trap derail posts
  210. (14:11:42) +AoC: already did and let's see how it goes
  211.  
  212. (14:35:28) +AoC: reddit is the only active wordfilter right?
  213. (14:35:52) +AoC: we're no longer blocking viral or xbots/sonyggers/nintenyearolds
  214. (14:36:18) +Anikitan: what about nintendrone?
  215. (14:36:18) %Aerolite: i think kotaku is also filtered
  216. (14:36:18) +duanemoody: i can say nigger but i can't say xbot
  217. (14:36:22) +Anikitan: i remember that being one
  218. (14:36:28) +duanemoody: you can't say kotaku
  219. [...]
  220. (14:36:57) +duanemoody: man can i please ask for "DCasual" on that list?
  221. [...]
  222. (14:37:14) +duanemoody: "marveldrone"
  223. (14:37:16) +duanemoody: "feminist"
  224. (14:37:22) +duanemoody: "tumblr"
  225.  
  226. (14:59:11) +AoC: meta on /q/ suffers from the lack of mod input
  227. (14:59:41) +AoC: which is the biggest appealing factor, besides containment and actually following the rules
  228. (14:59:47) +Kazisho: And users actually browsing the board.
  229. (15:00:11) %RapeApe: a lot of the things mentioned either don't merit a response, or else are beyond the scope of the mods
  230. (15:00:43) %RapeApe: anything modposted gets screencapped and trotted out out of context forever
  231.  
  232. (15:01:37) %RapeApe: very likely. like moot said, /his/ would just be /pol/ with dates
  233. (15:02:18) +Kazisho: I imagine it to be like WW2 - The Board.
  234.  
  235. (17:55:44) SerWind: >/b/ has /v/
  236. (17:55:51) SerWind: Why does that make me sad.
  237.  
  238. (19:52:05) +AoC: you can still mess up by deleting a seemingly harmful OP that happened to have a moot/mod post somewhere in it
  239. (19:52:26) +AoC: heads up new blood: Always check the thread when the report seems odd in any way
  240. (19:52:41) +AoC: like, too high numbers or innocuous content
  241.  
  242. (20:59:11) +tjanster: ​/hm/ has a problem with people thinking it's gay /soc/ or gay /adv/. Otherwise, it's pretty on topic.
  243. (21:00:25) ~moots: hm had a janitor for like 48 hours
  244. (21:00:29) ~moots: but has otherwise been unmoderated
  245. (21:00:34) ~moots: so it's easy to see why it would be a shitshow
  246. [...]
  247. (21:05:12) ~moots: when the board was added, it had a janitor
  248. (21:05:15) +tjanster: Oh
  249. (21:05:25) ~moots: who as it turns out is a complete idiot
  250. (21:05:28) ~moots: and immediately told everyone he was a janitor
  251. [...]
  252. (21:05:33) ~moots: and was thus immediately removed
  253. (21:05:41) +Azatsu: it was really shitty . _ .
  254. (21:05:44) +AoC: ah, I remember that
  255. [...]
  256. (21:06:03) ~moots: it's a shame because /hm/ certainly had/has potential
  257. (21:06:14) ~moots: he said it in a fucking github commit/issues page too
  258. (21:06:22) +tjanster: Oh, I remember that
  259. [...]
  260. (21:06:24) +Azatsu: he posted a link to /j/ lol
  261. (21:06:25) +duanemoody: not exactly a whoops
  262. (21:06:31) +MDN: What an odd place to announce you're a janitor.
  263. (21:06:34) +tjanster: I remember reading the github comment on it
  264. (21:06:35) +Azatsu: saying "4chan x doesn't work on /j/"
  265. (21:06:38) +tjanster: Yep
  266.  
  267. (21:21:23) +BluRay: >reports on the /vp/ preliminary tournament thread
  268. (21:21:54) +BluRay: eat a dick, there is literally nothing wrong with challenging reddit
  269. (21:21:56) +AoC: let me guess, same guy upset over canoodling with red dirt
  270. (21:22:02) +BluRay: yes
  271. (21:22:20) +BluRay: I'm bring him if he starts further drama
  272. (21:22:21) +AoC: also, the word of the day is "canoodling"
  273. (21:22:25) +BluRay: lol
  274. (21:23:28) +tjanster: We can canoodle.
  275. (21:23:37) +tjanster: Because it totally means "chat".
  276. (21:31:01) @ALTERNATIVE: no canoodling
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