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The death of /b/ and how it has affected /v/

a guest Sep 27th, 2015 3 Never
  1. (20:51:35) +AoC: https://boards.4chan.org/v/res/179304743#p179304743 public ban, yes?
  2. (20:51:36) %RapeApe: what's up
  3. (20:51:57) %RapeApe: nah, a public ban might backfire
  4. (20:52:00) %RapeApe: red cups errywhere
  5. [...]
  6. (20:52:30) +AoC: It was more about the "fuck /b/, /v/ should be good enough for a random question" line
  7. (20:52:34) +AoC: but fair enough
  8. [...]
  9. (21:04:21) %RapeApe: AoC all instances site-wide have been banned
  10. (21:04:53) %RapeApe: oddly enough, no one posted it on /b/
  11. (21:05:08) +AoC: Really appreciate it. Hope it was just one guy trying to force something rather than our userbase being this idiotic
  12. (21:05:09) %RapeApe: 4chan is nearly 2 separate websites at this point
  13. (21:05:43) Deckenkatze: same with fit
  14. (21:06:05) Deckenkatze: feels & love VS fitness
  15. (21:06:45) %RapeApe: well, this place is a magnet for those on the fringes of society
  16. (21:06:54) %RapeApe: they have no other outlet for this crap
  17. (21:07:02) %RapeApe: no friends to tell them to shut the fuck up
  18. (21:07:13) +BluRay: lol
  19. [...]
  20. (21:07:40) +AoC: The civil war killed /jp/ though. After years of having to endure an attrition war, people just don't want to make an effort anymore
  21. (21:08:05) Deckenkatze: then come to fit for my fill of dicks and accidental glances on the bus
  22. (21:08:11) %RapeApe: the death of /b/ is the root cause of all this
  23. (21:08:14) +AoC: all we have now is the enclaves and having to BR as ban evasion the same niggy/no bully spammers
  24. [...]
  25. (21:09:50) %RapeApe: if /b/ was more than roll threads and jailbait porn a lot of the off-topic crap could reasonably be posted there
  26. (21:10:00) %RapeApe: as it stands, telling someone to go to /b/ is an insult
  27. (21:10:06) %RapeApe: same with /r9k/
  28. (21:10:18) +AoC: balkanization now
  29. (21:10:32) Deckenkatze: didn't moot start on a new site
  30. (21:10:33) +AoC: with more /b/ options, they'd be able to restart whole random cultures
  31. (21:11:02) +AoC: instead of having to stake out a portion among the teenager shit that populates current /b/
  32. (21:11:29) %RapeApe: i still think that /2d/ would be a great idea
  33. (21:12:31) +AoC: I think moots' resistance to more new boards is justified though. It'd be nice if we could just make experimental boards and delete them if failing
  34. (21:12:56) +AoC: but every board will find its niche and then it would be a bitch to delete it
  35. (21:14:38) +errorname457: I think balkanization is important, but its affects are widespread
  36. (21:15:04) +errorname457: balkanization did play a big role in /b/ becoming what it is today
  37. (21:18:52) +AoC: I know I've mentioned this before, but things will require a final decision soon: Either embrace every board being a separate sub-culture and stop separating by topics alone, or crackdown again until we're back to the old ways of posters maining several boards at the same time, posting in each according to topic rather than userbase
  38. (21:19:08) %RapeApe: >crackdown
  39. (21:19:10) %RapeApe: how?
  40. [...]
  41. (21:20:04) +AoC: public bans, visible moderation, even more public communication from admin and staff to make clear what the goal is
  42. (21:20:16) +AoC: and if you're uncomfortable with that, you're right to feel so
  43. (21:20:31) +AoC: because it's practically imposing fascism
  44. (21:21:20) +errorname457: I don't believe public bans are very useful, especially on any board larger than /e/, unless you're willing to pin it to the board like with what happened on /co/
  45. (21:21:32) %RapeApe: i like public communication, but it's not really current site policy. besides, every time we say something it gets screenshotted and posted out of context
  46. (21:21:44) +errorname457: Even then, its a poorer alternative than active discussion with the userbase
  47. (21:22:04) %RapeApe: and unless we're all 100% on the same page about everything, we'll end up accidentally contradicting one another
  48. (21:22:18) %RapeApe: and yes, public bans aren't very effective
  49. (21:22:37) %RapeApe: /s/ and /hc/ have heads on spikes all the fucking time, and it does nothing
  50. (21:23:09) %RapeApe: ultimately the userbase is going to do what it wants. the best we can hope is to channel them in certain directions.
  51. (21:23:25) %RapeApe: like finally getting kpop on /mu/
  52. (21:23:46) +AoC: I still believe in public bans helping us out, since there's always an uptick of reports following them, once people are aware that someone is against the rules and being enforced. But in the end, we'll always have the "fuck the police" users and even a bloody field of heads on pikes won't do anything for them
  53. (21:24:43) +errorname457: The userbase does what it will, but speaking as a guy who was not in janiteam until relatively recently, the will of the moderators is hard to understand when they're speaking in binary
  54. (21:25:12) +errorname457: And by binary I mean the vast majority of our communication is "delete post" or "leave it alone"
  55. (21:25:43) +errorname457: Not all of it is intentional, sometimes we do not delete things because we simply miss them, and that only compounds confusion
  56. (21:26:04) +AoC: not only that, but you can't take "leave it alone" as meaningful communication when there's a lot that goes undeleted not because of conscious effort and policy, but just us not being there
  57. (21:26:35) +errorname457: Meetings like the first /v/ threads on /q/, the recent mod thread on /a/ where meta was dicussed, these actions are healthy.
  58. (21:27:00) %RapeApe: another thing to keep in mind is that light moderation is not a bug; it's a defining feature of 4chan
  59. (21:27:22) +AoC: Anyway, yeah I get why we're back to silent moderation ever since every mod post gets twisted out of context and the few meaningful things (report and hide, we try our best, please be happy and have fun) are ignored
  60. (21:28:00) +errorname457: Are they?
  61. [...]
  62. (21:28:44) +AoC: you weren't here for it, but we have cold sweats over /v/ reading "we want you to have fun" as "mods support shitposting YOU HEARD IT HERE FOLKS!"
  63. (21:28:53) +errorname457: When I saw mod screencaps on /v/, I didn't see people twisting things out of context often. I would see someone post the picture "shitposting is fun"
  64. (21:29:00) +errorname457: In what context is that appropriate though?
  65. (21:29:27) +errorname457: "Shitposting" is a word that should be avoided, its nice vernacular but ultimately it lacks a proper definition
  66. (21:30:13) +AoC: "please try to ignore shitposting because they're doing it for their own selfish fun. We want you to have fun, so please report and hide and focus on what you like, and we'll deal with the low quality shit that is starting to take its toll on the board"
  67. (21:31:13) %RapeApe: Yeah, you've got to be incredibly careful about your choice of words when modposting.
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  69. (21:31:15) +errorname457: That is a much better way to word it, but it could still use work
  70. (21:32:20) +AoC: yup. RapeApe why don't you guys in inner party try to just be more of a committee and write public posts as a group?
  71. (21:32:43) %RapeApe: >inner party
  72. (21:33:19) %RapeApe: there's not much that goes on that you guys aren't party to
  73. (21:34:06) +AoC: I know, there's not much of a #modteam
  74. (21:34:15) +AoC: but I enjoy the shorthand
  75. (21:35:04) +AoC: anyway, my point is that things work best here in outer party when janitors coordinate and talk things through.
  76. (21:35:32) +fsdfdsf: It's good to communicate
  77. [...]
  78. (21:39:09) +errorname457: While moderation for 4chan may be light, there are ways to help show intent without seeing 50 "user has been banned for this post"s and 3 stickies at the top of the page
  79. (21:39:44) +errorname457: That Just Cause 2 free weekend sticky was a great example of this
  80. [...]
  81. (21:42:47) +errorname457: /v/ acts in part the way it does because moderation seems weak. This is in part due to past moderation (such as that one "shitpost" post made before, the jimmies debacle, etc), the size of the board, but also because its very rare to see something going on with the board
  82. (21:43:05) +AoC: I blame invisibro
  83. (21:44:13) +errorname457: Besides the PS3 sticky, the only other strictly-videogame related stickies I remember recently were the Half Life 3 sticky, and the TWEWY sticky
  84. (21:45:02) +AoC: E3 got stickies as well
  85. (21:45:10) +errorname457: And along with the Just Cause 2 sticky, most of those happened in the summer, or around there. Otherwise, things have been pretty quiet
  86. (21:45:14) +errorname457: That too
  87. (21:46:15) +errorname457: Meanwhile, /co/ gets stickies at a fairly decent rate. /a/ gets them far less than /co/, but they are often enough that they don't seem too out of place
  88. (21:47:57) +errorname457: They're nice distractions, and help build the community. Personally, if I were to consider /co/ or /a/ on a relative size to /v/, I don't think they have any less real shitposting or significantly more shitflinging. An /a/ chart thread has as much crap in it as your average consolewar thread
  89. (21:48:41) +AoC: /co/ had a sharp change in the last couple years though
  90. (21:49:06) +AoC: perhaps it was the tumblr influence, or the generals and MLP
  91. (21:49:52) +yetsturdy: it's because children are becoming older and spending more time on them internet
  92. (21:50:15) +yetsturdy: I've been speaking to people who could not read when 4chan started.
  93. (21:50:31) +errorname457: My point to all this is that I think more videogame, strictly videogame, related stickies would help give the board a stronger community, or at least distract them a bit more like gladiators at a coliseum
  94. (21:50:34) +AoC: I dunno, the realization that we can't ever get rid of the "fuck the rules and the community" users makes me think that the fight against the entropy is impossible to win
  95. (21:50:34) +nemo`: don't forget the people that were born after 9/11
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