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  1. Jan 26 05:05:55 <copypaste> before you leave the country you have some property of mine
  2. Jan 26 05:06:03 <copypaste> just the paper that came with my wheelchair
  3. Jan 26 05:06:09 <n-tech> it's on the bed
  4. Jan 26 05:06:13 <copypaste> your bed?
  5. Jan 26 05:06:22 <n-tech> i was going to give it to you yesterday but you interrupted that plan
  6. Jan 26 05:06:27 <n-tech> yes, it was in my bag
  7. Jan 26 05:06:37 <copypaste> okay, so have you already left?
  8. Jan 26 05:06:41 <n-tech> no
  9. Jan 26 05:06:56 <copypaste> okay, mochi will come pick it up later this morning
  10. Jan 26 05:06:59 <copypaste> thank you
  11. Jan 26 07:50:34 <copypaste> i'm leaving the mail records of infinitydev.org alone for the next week until you have a chance to download all your mail
  12. Jan 26 07:57:26 <copypaste> mochi is coming over now
  13. Jan 26 16:03:06 * Disconnected (No such device or address)
  14. Jan 26 16:13:43 <copypaste> we've one last thing to talk about
  15. Jan 26 16:18:13 <copypaste> i want you to either dual license Next under AGPL&Expat license ("BSD") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License#License_terms or add me specifically, not jim or 2ch or RQI or et cetera, as a copyright holder. i know what it's like having someone try to "troll" me and others through the courts, and it's not fun. savetheinternet used to do it. as you can see on 8chan i mention marcin and
  16. Jan 26 16:18:15 <copypaste> savetheinternet in the footer, and would never remove your atribution if i were to fork next, so your due credit would come. as you told me before, you want to be remembered for as long as possible over monetary concerns. i'm asking for this last olive branch, which would make me consider Next for 8chan. you can say no, but that would put me in the difficult position of breaking it to peopole
  17. Jan 26 16:18:17 <copypaste> that you refuse to license your software to the people you wrote it for
  18. Jan 26 16:18:47 <copypaste> anyway, please consider this olive branch. i'm not really mad at you, just disappointed.
  19. Jan 26 16:18:56 <copypaste> thanks for my wheelchair paper back
  20. Jan 26 16:24:41 <copypaste> oh, one other thing. it's possible i already own the copyright, if you say no and i really want to use next, i'm going to have a lawyer figure it out. the copy i have is (c) Infinity Next Development Group infinitydev.org, and infinitydev.org is my domain, so. i'm not trying to steal your work, just shield myself and our hosts from frivolous lawsuits
  21. Jan 26 16:25:09 <copypaste> i don't think you could make people forget you developed next if you wanted to
  22. Jan 26 16:35:14 <n-tech> The copyright is mine. I wrote every single line and you had almost no involvement.
  23. Jan 26 16:35:26 <n-tech> You will either pay me for a dual license or you will not get one.
  24. Jan 26 16:35:35 <n-tech> I will not talk to you again without the presence of a lawyer.
  25. Jan 26 16:35:37 <copypaste> what's your price?
  26. Jan 26 16:35:54 <copypaste> hehe, just like last time you have no idea
  27. Jan 26 16:40:16 <copypaste> you still don't know? are you doing maths or something?
  28. Jan 26 16:40:29 <copypaste> negotiation never was your strong suit
  29. Jan 26 16:41:46 <copypaste> how about i go first. i will give you $100 and never talk about your eccentricities again. i know how much that bothers you, people knowing you're human
  30. Jan 26 16:41:58 <copypaste> that's for a dual license, expat, not even ownership
  31. Jan 26 16:45:52 <copypaste> you do realize github groups aren't legally binding i hope, and that source code ownership only goes forewards and not backwards
  32. Jan 26 16:45:58 <copypaste> this is actually why vichan and tinyboard split oh so long ago
  33. Jan 26 16:47:55 <copypaste> anyway, decide or make a counter offer in 24 hours. if we want to use Next we will probably end up doing it anyway, once i verify that ownership quandry. have a nice life josh. i really did want to see us succeed together. when i answered tenicu about the status of the project, all that was on my mind was the parallel test. you could have just said you weren't ready, instead of throw a bizarre
  34. Jan 26 16:47:57 <copypaste> fit about ron firing you and no one liking you
  35. Jan 26 16:49:28 <n-tech> Thanks, it was fun working with you too. I'll let you know what my lawyer says.
  36. Jan 26 18:36:08 <copypaste> few things. i let jim know about this talk. 2ch engineers are barred from upstreaming patches or working with you at all until we work this out, so that dream won't happen. if you don't compromise with me at all, on the 28th at 7AM i'm going to present my case to users. it's not going to be pretty for you, in my eyes your recent actions on this matter have shifted you from "failed to deliver, but
  37. Jan 26 18:36:10 <copypaste> didn't steal money because at least he tried and his product was usable from a legal perspective" to "failed to deliver, and also stole donated funds because he won't change to a court-tested license and we cannot take the risk of running software with no legal framework" the USA is a common law district after all, and the AGPL has never been in court. i will then assert ownership over it,
  38. Jan 26 18:36:12 <copypaste> because it was funded by 8chan users, money was collected on a domain owned by Infinity Dev. Group and the copy i have is owned by Infinity Dev. Group according to its license file. we'd rather go on the offensive than the defensive and have to spend years in court working out what a "component" is in the context of a website, proving copyright is much more cut and dry. your move. my benjamin
  39. Jan 26 18:36:14 <copypaste> franklin is still good, as is a GPL compromise 4free. in either event i'm done talking about you in public, you are not worth my time
  40. Jan 26 18:38:35 <copypaste> you know i have no problem with open source and maintained the infinity and vichan repos for a very long time. i don't care if our code is open, i just care about being in such untested waters with such limited funds. to be honest if we were sued this way 8chan might never recover, it would be easier to close it than fight
  41. Jan 26 18:40:19 <n-tech> Can you elaborate on what "untested waters" mean?
  42. Jan 26 18:40:40 <copypaste> sure. the GPL has been in court several times in the USA and in europe. it's clear what the text means in a legal perspective
  43. Jan 26 18:41:02 <copypaste> it's been in court in other places too. you can see more at http://gpl-violations.org/ , a project i've actually donated to before
  44. Jan 26 18:41:33 <copypaste> it's not at all clear what the AGPL means. it was written by lawyers, but in common law jurisdictions law is based on precedent
  45. Jan 26 18:42:21 <copypaste> you could claim that because softserve is used on it and is a "component" of it, and demand the source code for softserve, for example
  46. Jan 26 18:42:37 <n-tech> The AGPL license is backed by the Free Software Foundation. I have no intentions of instigating you, Jim, 2ch, or Nttech. I entered into this project because I enjoy development. You have personally seen me sink hundreds if not thousands of hours over the course of almost a year to see the project to the current point.
  47. Jan 26 18:42:41 <copypaste> perhaps. i think that claim is absolutely ridiculous, but the more i think about it the more i think it could at least be done
  48. Jan 26 18:43:08 <n-tech> As a result, I am not going to relenquish property rights or grant you special permission without legal advice from a qualified lawyer. You are not entitled to my property and you are not allowed to blackmail me into relenquishing my rights.
  49. Jan 26 18:43:19 <n-tech> I have nothing else to say until I have received certified legal advice.
  50. Jan 26 18:43:20 <copypaste> you've also seen me sink money into it so don't get cute.
  51. Jan 26 18:43:36 <copypaste> the GPL is a good compromise. for your sake get that legal advice before the 28th.
  52. Jan 26 18:43:39 <copypaste> that'd be all. thank you
  53. Jan 26 18:53:53 <copypaste> oh one last thing. this time, if you need an extension when you're out lawyer shopping, tell me instead of throwing a fit. i'll want proof you actually contacted a lawyer though.
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