[08:55:07] <Defiance> hey
[08:55:11] <Sebastiano> hey
[08:55:27] <Defiance> once of your ppl was pming me saying to make peace with black summit i have to give you guys an adi huge axe lol
[08:55:39] <Defiance> cherrytree or some sh!t..
[08:55:40] <Sebastiano> lol who was that
[08:56:05] <Defiance> your liek 5-6th on most looted from depot so i know you don't need adi. just lettin you know she's makin you guys look dumb
[08:56:41] <Sebastiano> little do you know
[08:56:51] <Sebastiano> all those points came from looting the crap of the depot
[08:57:02] <Sebastiano> the first week, truthfully we got 2 pulls from the depot
[08:57:37] <Defiance> you guys shoulda joined up with us, coulda had all the pulls if we worked together
[08:57:39] <Sebastiano> the first day i got every pull from it, and that night blytz or whatever his name is broke in at night when we were not online
[08:57:59] <Sebastiano> one of our guys saw him as he logged in and killed him and got back just 1 of the addy 20kg worth
[08:58:19] <Defiance> ah yeah i dont care about adi really
[08:58:21] <Sebastiano> so that first night all the loot was pretty much taken including all our coal and cotton and other stuff
[08:58:31] <Defiance> have you seen your numbers drop now that we're into 2nd week?
[08:58:40] <Sebastiano> then for the entire week after that we had nothing but fights vs black summit and gorillas group
[08:58:51] <Sebastiano> the whole server numbers dropped
[08:59:00] <Sebastiano> our numbers would have been good if we could have set up shop
[08:59:06] <Sebastiano> but most our guys went back to chaos
[08:59:23] <Sebastiano> very few stopped logging in all together
[08:59:27] <Sebastiano> and 2 left us
[08:59:28] <Defiance> yeah, black summit went from 10-20 online all times to 5-10 in the last week or so. peak times back up to 20 but yeah
[09:00:08] <Defiance> tryin to get an idea how much of hots is left. gorillas and his kids are still semi active but its only 6 or so of them on sporadically, and theres only noobs by the blacklight
[09:00:15] <Sebastiano> i mentioned it from the start, had we been given just 5 days of being able to fully loot this depot and get ourselves set up, we would be on the leader board as HOTS
[09:00:27] <Sebastiano> hots is done this round im afraid
[09:00:40] <Sebastiano> i went over by dateline and MR
[09:00:46] <Sebastiano> they both have tons of players in local
[09:00:56] <Sebastiano> when someone hits local they stop what they are doing and close in on you
[09:01:11] <Defiance> most noobs tho... we kill alot of them. they do have alot of good players tho
[09:01:12] <Sebastiano> hots = .ed at the moment
[09:01:39] <Sebastiano> all they need is newbs to be cannon fodder while their experianced players do all the real work
[09:01:43] <Defiance> MR and NBC brought force of 10+ to our door step yesterday, they couldnt win so they left, did they roam to you?
[09:01:52] <Sebastiano> no
[09:02:04] <Sebastiano> we have no one around anymore so we are less bothered
[09:02:23] <Sebastiano> but at the same time we have about 10ish palyers with over 70 fs just logged off
[09:02:37] <Defiance> are you in any hots alliances?
[09:02:47] <Sebastiano> the greedy of some hots players pushed a lot of people away
[09:02:51] <Sebastiano> nope never were
[09:02:58] <Sebastiano> we were trying to get set up before doing anything
[09:03:12] <Sebastiano> once we were set up our goal was to make sure every HOTs fighter was well suited
[09:03:27] <Defiance> ah, you guys should join alliance with us, we need to consolidate our fighters between villages if we want to make a decent enough sizable foce
[09:03:27] <Sebastiano> and we were going to then work on dropping a deed somewhere
[09:03:37] <Defiance> or join our deed and stay out there
[09:03:44] <Defiance> then our guys wouldnt harrass you
[09:03:46] <Sebastiano> we never dropped a deed, cause we were spending most time trying to just get some resources from the depot
[09:04:03] <Sebastiano> and while doing that we had to fight our own kingdom for 6 days straight
[09:04:10] <Sebastiano> they would have
[09:04:15] <Sebastiano> because your guys wanted the addy
[09:04:22] <Sebastiano> and so did we
[09:04:28] <Sebastiano> we wanted enough to get ourselves well suited
[09:04:47] <Defiance> we honestly thought there was a bunch of noobs tryin to claim that, and we didnt want the noobs feeding adi to other kingdoms. you didnt talk to me the leader of black summit so i didnt know what was
[09:04:51] <Defiance> going on until a couple days ago
[09:04:54] <Sebastiano> but our 10ish actives were not looked at as good additions from the start
[09:05:20] <Sebastiano> i talked to many players of black summit tainted mostly as he knows who i am in game
[09:05:25] <Sebastiano> Maurizio from chaos
[09:05:33] <Defiance> yeah, he's my 2nd in command for relations
[09:05:41] <Defiance> im phennexion / mitchy from wild server years ago
[09:05:46] <Sebastiano> ahh
[09:05:46] <Defiance> and epic / xanadu
[09:05:58] <Sebastiano> wild server years ago, the good old days
[09:06:02] <Sebastiano> i miss my deeds
[09:06:08] <Defiance> hehe, you WLr bac then?
[09:06:12] <Sebastiano> eyah
[09:06:16] <Sebastiano> i started in hammerfel
[09:06:20] <Defiance> ahh
[09:06:31] <Defiance> always been hots
[09:06:31] <Sebastiano> then brought over my group from roma victor, and made iron peak just southwest of our wall
[09:06:35] <Sebastiano> yeah
[09:06:41] <Sebastiano> i remember fights with you guys
[09:06:52] <Sebastiano> JK is a joke however
[09:06:54] <Defiance> haha roma victor, so much high hopes for that game
[09:06:59] <Sebastiano> yeah
[09:07:01] <Defiance> or was roma victor wlr deed?
[09:07:11] <Sebastiano> the game
[09:07:14] <Defiance> ah
[09:07:32] <Sebastiano> anyway, at this point
[09:07:43] <Sebastiano> like i was trying to explain to your guys for the entire first week
[09:07:51] <Sebastiano> while everyone thought we had so much moon metal
[09:08:03] <Sebastiano> we mangaged to get 2 pulls from it
[09:08:22] <Sebastiano> it wasnt till this last week we have been able to get almost 1 pull a day
[09:08:26] <Defiance> we have whatthetruck keeping up on the NW depot, so we've been gettin those drops as well, we got tons of adi
[09:08:34] <Defiance> we just need people to be able to fight back
[09:08:55] <Defiance> our pvp forces are liek 5-10 ppl, need to be back up to 20ish to be able compete with other kingdoms
[09:09:03] <Sebastiano> yup
[09:09:09] <Sebastiano> but at this point ill be honest with you
[09:09:32] <Sebastiano> you guys have more enemies in HOTs itsself then any other kingdom
[09:09:44] <Sebastiano> ive been contacted by 5 other villages already
[09:09:51] <Defiance> well... not really just gorillas deed
[09:09:52] <Sebastiano> all .ed off at black summit
[09:09:59] <Sebastiano> no even black summit
[09:10:10] <Sebastiano> and im not beating around the bush either
[09:10:10] <Defiance> ?
[09:10:21] <Defiance> even black summit?
[09:10:23] <Defiance> whats that mean?
[09:10:32] <Sebastiano> [09:55:52] <> we're the hots group without black summit
[09:10:58] <Sebastiano> most all the villages or players that were attacked by your group or gorillas group
[09:11:04] <Sebastiano> consider you both 2 in the same
[09:11:21] <Defiance> ah, lol. yeah was my mistake allying with those idiots, they just tried to make us look bad the whole time
[09:11:22] <Sebastiano> the blame is heading in Black summit direction more then gorillas group because no one even knows the name of his deed
[09:11:32] <Defiance> his deed name is blacker summit
[09:11:39] <Sebastiano> ahh i see
[09:11:48] <Defiance> ppl from his deed would try to impersonate me
[09:11:54] <Defiance> and pm ppl rude crap
[09:11:57] <Defiance> while we were allied
[09:12:02] <Defiance> pretty annoying
[09:12:09] <Defiance> they insulted blitz's dead brother aab
[09:12:10] <Sebastiano> yeah well
[09:12:13] <Defiance> so its why we left alliance
[09:12:25] <Defiance> they only ppl we declared war on
[09:12:28] <Defiance> lol
[09:12:28] <Sebastiano> i tried to tell tainted that we wanted to be left alone for 5 days and 5 days only
[09:12:34] <Sebastiano> but our group was not taken seriously
[09:12:39] <Sebastiano> so
[09:12:57] <Sebastiano> and now all i can see is complete divide between hots which is soemthing i didnt want to happen
[09:13:20] <Sebastiano> i came here to challenge to have some fun and get my guys some action here becuaase on chaos our kingdom is new and we have to keep our heads down low
[09:13:37] <Sebastiano> but since all the . we had to deal with here, most all decided it was worthless to even waste time here
[09:13:50] <Defiance> shoulda pm'd me sooner
[09:14:12] <Sebastiano> i didnt knwo you were leader
[09:14:22] <Sebastiano> i was talking to tainted and from what i knew he was passing on the info
[09:14:34] <Sebastiano> perhaps he wasnt, and perhaps he was just trying to pull a fast one with me
[09:14:58] <Sebastiano> all i know is that black summit was trying to not take blame on themselves for consistantly attaking other hots
[09:15:01] <Defiance> ah. gorillas was telling me at the time you guys were stealing the adi and bringing out to JK and i saw no deed or anything there so i figured it was MR/NBC alts on that island
[09:15:06] <Sebastiano> and it only seemed it was greed
[09:15:17] <Sebastiano> cant put a deed here
[09:15:22] <Defiance> yeah i figured
[09:15:27] <Sebastiano> and gorillas is an idiot
[09:15:30] <Defiance> yep
[09:15:45] <Sebastiano> i never hid my identity while being here
[09:15:51] <Defiance> neither did i
[09:15:55] <Sebastiano> everyone knew who i am and what i lead on chaos
[09:16:06] <Sebastiano> fact is, greed took place
[09:16:17] <Sebastiano> some wanted things because they felt they could take it
[09:16:30] <Sebastiano> and yes at the time they could because we didnt start till late night of the first day
[09:16:48] <Defiance> yeah more of a lack of communication
[09:16:51] <Sebastiano> but becuase of everything that has happened now no one gives a . anymore
[09:16:55] <Sebastiano> no
[09:16:58] <Sebastiano> i dont think it was that
[09:17:04] <Sebastiano> i was communicating to much
[09:17:09] <Sebastiano> perhaps not to the right person
[09:17:20] <Defiance> yeah , if black summit knew that a hots group was setting up and loyal to hots and would supply pvp'rs to the cause we wouldnt have touched it
[09:17:23] <Sebastiano> but i was in consistant communication, and it got me no where
[09:17:35] <Sebastiano> thats all we were tryign to do
[09:17:49] <Sebastiano> when we first started we passed by black summit area
[09:17:55] <Sebastiano> and saw there was good activity
[09:18:04] <Sebastiano> so we left that area, went to this depot and started to set up shop
[09:18:14] <Sebastiano> thinking that hey we will have another hots army right next to us
[09:18:21] <Sebastiano> we can call up upon each other
[09:18:23] <Sebastiano> but nope
[09:18:39] <Defiance> lol, but didnt contact me the leader... why not ask in hots? ppl woulda told you it was me
[09:18:49] <Defiance> when i see random hots ppl i ask who their leader is right away
[09:18:52] <Defiance> to try and form alliances
[09:19:46] <Sebastiano> i dont know, i talked to so many which i thought were the leaders
[09:20:05] <Sebastiano> if a guy like tainted cant convince the group then i take it there is no real control
[09:20:16] <Sebastiano> you also have a member of mine in your vilalge
[09:20:23] <Defiance> whos that?
[09:20:33] <Sebastiano> i wont give name unless he wants to say it
[09:20:39] <Sebastiano> but he plays on chaos in our kingdom
[09:20:45] <Defiance> lol, thought we were being honest here?
[09:20:49] <Sebastiano> you can ask
[09:20:50] <Sebastiano> i am
[09:20:58] <Sebastiano> but im not going to give out a name unless he wants to
[09:21:24] <Sebastiano> regardless, there is no spying going on he just started right at the start while we didnt
[09:21:27] <Defiance> he's prolly leeched out gear from our stores for you guys so doesnt wana be thought of as a theif
[09:21:33] <Sebastiano> when we came on he was sleeping since he is a euro
[09:21:39] <Defiance> ah
[09:21:40] <Sebastiano> lol
[09:21:43] <Sebastiano> what gear?
[09:21:56] <Sebastiano> we have had none other then chain we have made and very very few plate sets
[09:22:03] <Sebastiano> stop trying to think people are leeches
[09:22:47] <Sebastiano> i wouldnt be telling you this if i wasnt tryign to make you understand that i talked to many people to make them understand we were a force to be kept on a good side as all we wanted to do was fight t
[09:22:51] <Sebastiano> the enemies together
[09:23:03] <Sebastiano> but yet it did not happen that way
[09:23:37] <Sebastiano> the player i am talking about tried to get us to join up with you guys afterward when we found out he was playing which was by the 3rd day
[09:23:55] <Sebastiano> but by that time, we had been attacked over and over and no one wanted to budge
[09:24:40] <Sebastiano> he stayed playing with you guys because theres actually people on at his time, while our active time is late
[09:24:52] <Defiance> [09:21:59] <Defiance> did sebastiano ever come to you with intentions to form an alliance? [09:22:17] <Tainted> no  [09:22:29] <Tainted> i went to him to see if he woud coopersate
[09:25:09] <Defiance> [09:22:41] <Tainted> he just kept blaming  [09:23:01] <Tainted> so left that alone
[09:25:13] <Sebastiano> he came to me to see if we would give him all the addy
[09:25:15] <Defiance> that sounds alot like you
[09:25:19] <Defiance> blaming and complaining
[09:25:27] <Defiance> i need that to end if hots is going to succeed
[09:25:29] <Sebastiano> and the answer to that was no
[09:25:47] <Sebastiano> I also need you guys demanding . to end if hots is going to succeed
[09:25:57] <Sebastiano> im not going to bend over backwards if no one else is willing to do the same
[09:25:59] <Sebastiano> give and take
[09:26:03] <Sebastiano> not just give and give
[09:26:09] <Sebastiano> my complaint is simple
[09:26:34] <Defiance> i dont care about anything else that's happened. i don't wana hear 3 paragraphs of crap. I just need to know, do you want to join black summit, be loyal to it, i can give you a leadership position for
[09:26:35] <Defiance> your people
[09:26:39] <Sebastiano> rather then try and bully which is what black summit allinace was doing for the first week and half, work with means if someone asks for space to build up give them that space
[09:26:44] <Defiance> we would share our resources with you
[09:26:50] <Defiance> and you would share your pvp'rs with us
[09:26:52] <Defiance> seems pretty simple
[09:27:04] <Defiance> if you don't take up the offer, then we'll remain neutral
[09:27:44] <Sebastiano> dude at this point we dont have the players we did
[09:27:52] <Defiance> we'll take any players loyal to hots
[09:27:58] <Sebastiano> and we were ready to place a deed and still are but i cannot see
[09:28:03] <Sebastiano> we are loyal to hots
[09:28:05] <Sebastiano> thats about it
[09:28:09] <Defiance> if you go back to your guys and say we sorted it out, they can come back and have fun again
[09:28:28] <Sebastiano> but we wanted 5 days of the depot we were trying to keep track of
[09:28:42] <Sebastiano> ok if you want to have it sorted out
[09:28:54] <Sebastiano> we want to be left alone from HOTS attacks on the depot area
[09:28:57] <Sebastiano> we will place a deed
[09:29:01] <Sebastiano> near by which we planned
[09:29:03] <Sebastiano> and ally
[09:29:15] <Defiance> lol okay you have 2 days to do this
[09:29:25] <Sebastiano> 2 days not enough
[09:29:40] <Defiance> then it just sounds like your leeching resources not for hots for a dead village
[09:29:46] <Sebastiano> are you .ing stupid?
[09:29:50] <Sebastiano> come onto my mumble
[09:30:04] <Sebastiano> ripdarkfall.mumble.cc port 7509 bring anyone you want to bring with you
[09:30:14] <Defiance> nah man. Im all about results. not doing favors for people who have no idea what they're doing.
[09:30:21] <Defiance> black summit is huge and successful because of good leadership
[09:30:26] <Defiance> your not leading your people properly
[09:30:29] <Defiance> look at you
[09:30:31] <Defiance> not even a deed
[09:30:35] <Sebastiano> how do you want results when we had to fight back our own kingdom for over a week?
[09:30:35] <Defiance> i was offering you an out
[09:30:45] <Sebastiano> i didnt see a reason to plant a deed
[09:30:47] <Defiance> and you got too much stupid-people-pride to understand the benefit of the offer
[09:30:52] <Sebastiano> at this point with all our guys back on chaos
[09:30:54] <Defiance> so peace.
[09:31:02] <Sebastiano> the money i have on me is not worth placing a deed
[09:31:21] <Sebastiano> if you want players to come back and play sure that can happen, i have to give them a reason
[09:31:35] <Sebastiano> i have to much pride yet you dont?
[09:31:40] <Sebastiano> im at least giving
[09:31:44] <Sebastiano> what are you giving?
[09:33:08] <Defiance> Daily pvp with big groups, plate/adi sets for everyone, easily grin to 70fs areas, a defended fortress that NBC and MR can't steal from
[09:33:18] <Defiance> thats pretty simple
[09:33:24] <Defiance> and awesome for anyone looking to play in hots
[09:33:24] <Sebastiano> all our guys are at 70 already
[09:33:46] <Sebastiano> thats not giving for those who want to have their own little area
[09:33:57] <Sebastiano> we are willing to work together
[09:33:59] <Defiance> if you don't understand the benefits of that then you're a terrible leader, especially if you can't form a deed in 2 days lol
[09:34:05] <Sebastiano> but not by the only way you are presenting it
[09:34:23] <Sebastiano> i understand them very well, but i also understtand the guys i lead and what they want and dont want
[09:34:31] <Sebastiano> i can form a deed right now
[09:34:53] <Sebastiano> but why would i spend the money to form it if my players dont see a point to play activly?
[09:35:10] <Sebastiano> i open up my channel to you for talks, if you want them jump on
[09:35:19] <Sebastiano> im gonna stop typing and get some . done
[09:35:48] <Defiance> lol. you just want to be the one to supply your people with those benefits, not us.
[09:35:51] <Defiance> too much pride
[09:35:59] <Sebastiano> you as well