[07:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> still
[07:21] <AlexMoll> and is really 115k+ benefits ;D
[07:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> ah fuck you
[07:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> lol
[07:21] <AlexMoll> and honestly my codeis shit
[07:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> im on $50k and im almost 25 lol
[07:22] <AlexMoll> this is my most proud piece of logging code
[07:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> everyone's code is shit
[07:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> some ppl didnt find the shit yet
[07:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> :p
[07:22] <AlexMoll> do you have a reruiter?
[07:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> im happy in my job
[07:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> dont wanna move just now
[07:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> :)
[07:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> not sure id wanna work in a huge company tbh
[07:23] <AlexMoll> yeah you d
[07:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> i work with big clients, the glimpse i get into it is some shit
[07:23] <AlexMoll> oo
[07:23] <AlexMoll> tou want to work with the RIGHT ones
[07:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> hm
[07:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> i see
[07:24] <AlexMoll> Not companies who run 3 weeks behind
[07:24] <AlexMoll> and work 70 hour weeks
[07:24] <WhereIsMySpoon> and how do you go about finding this stuff out
[07:24] <AlexMoll> okay so I was a QA right
[07:24] <AlexMoll> No coding involved
[07:24] <AlexMoll> yeah?
[07:25] <AlexMoll> MAybe some SQL
[07:25] <WhereIsMySpoon> i see
[07:25] <WhereIsMySpoon> im a web dev
[07:25] <AlexMoll> Well i call up 3 or 4 recruiters (always let them know of each other so your resume doesn't get spread like the plague0
[07:26] <AlexMoll> Thats cool?
[07:26] <AlexMoll> Angular, React?
[07:26] <AlexMoll> Html5?
[07:26] <WhereIsMySpoon> ha
[07:26] <WhereIsMySpoon> no
[07:26] <AlexMoll> don't say asp.net
[07:27] <WhereIsMySpoon> not that bad
[07:27] <WhereIsMySpoon> java/javascript
[07:27] <AlexMoll> huh?
[07:27] <WhereIsMySpoon> but older stuff
[07:27] <AlexMoll> Everything I mentionedis java/javascript
[07:27] <WhereIsMySpoon> java 7, using old js libraries
[07:27] <WhereIsMySpoon> like prototype
[07:27] <WhereIsMySpoon> support ie8
[07:27] <AlexMoll> Yokay
[07:27] <AlexMoll> well
[07:27] <WhereIsMySpoon> etc
[07:27] <AlexMoll> thatsthe first thing you tell recruiters
[07:28] <AlexMoll> you want these libraries
[07:28] <AlexMoll> these MVC structures
[07:28] <AlexMoll> like
[07:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> they are tech savvy like this?
[07:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> i thought recruiters didnt know much about this stuff
[07:28] <AlexMoll> ... okay so you have never had a good recruiter?
[07:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> ive only ever worked with like 1 recruiter lol
[07:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> i started work 3 years ago
[07:28] <AlexMoll> jsus man
[07:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> still in the same job
[07:28] <AlexMoll> you wasted 3 yeahs
[07:29] <AlexMoll> s/d.af/dsa/f
[07:29] <WhereIsMySpoon> nawww
[07:29] <WhereIsMySpoon> i enjoy my job
[07:29] <AlexMoll> So does my mentor from before :)
[07:29] <AlexMoll> But he is getting to be 40 now
[07:29] <WhereIsMySpoon> why you say its wasted?
[07:29] <AlexMoll> guess what he is doing
[07:29] <AlexMoll> not wasted
[07:29] <AlexMoll> at all
[07:29] <WhereIsMySpoon> what then :)
[07:30] <AlexMoll> Developing ASP.NET and working wtih AS400 for "The Company" he is loyal to
[07:30] <AlexMoll> Yes. there are many technical recruiters
[07:30] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok well im not entrenched here dude :P
[07:31] <WhereIsMySpoon> ill probably stay here longer for sure
[07:31] <AlexMoll> and you should be interviewing atleast once every 2 weeks
[07:31] <AlexMoll> if not more
[07:31] <WhereIsMySpoon> wut
[07:31] <WhereIsMySpoon> why
[07:31] <AlexMoll>  /facepalm
[07:31] <WhereIsMySpoon> i dont wanna change jobs lol
[07:31] <AlexMoll> How small is your city
[07:31] <WhereIsMySpoon> i live in london
[07:31] <AlexMoll>  /facepalm
[07:32] <AlexMoll>  /facepalm
[07:32] <AlexMoll>  /facepalm
[07:32] <AlexMoll>  /facepalm
[07:32] <WhereIsMySpoon> what is your deal
[07:32] <WhereIsMySpoon> why do u think i should be interviewing every 2 weeks? because u think im not getting paid enough?
[07:32] <WhereIsMySpoon> job isnt just about pay
[07:32] <AlexMoll> exactly...
[07:32] <AlexMoll> you are losing out on an unique opportunity
[07:32] <AlexMoll> to see what another company is like
[07:32] <AlexMoll> every week
[07:33] <AlexMoll> what their CVS is
[07:33] <AlexMoll> what their scrum/agile strat is
[07:33] <AlexMoll> what techs they are interested in
[07:33] <AlexMoll> what techs they are trying to fade out
[07:33] <AlexMoll> And when you do want to change
[07:34] <AlexMoll> you think you being at your mediocre level of dev pay will have any leverage
[07:34] <AlexMoll> (unless you are amazing)
[07:34] <AlexMoll> (which you will be if you have interviewed 55+ times)
[07:35] <AlexMoll> Can someone please back me up?
[07:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> and how do u think my boss would like it if i was interviewing every 2 weeks lol
[07:35] <AlexMoll> Well it always starts with a phone screen
[07:35] <AlexMoll> lunch hour
[07:35] <AlexMoll> 30 mins
[07:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok, and then a recruiter tells him?
[07:35] <AlexMoll> for references
[07:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> or a recruiter tells our recruiter and they tell him
[07:36] <AlexMoll> put: >london
[07:36] <AlexMoll> er
[07:36] <AlexMoll> >londom
[07:36] <AlexMoll> >london
[07:36] <AlexMoll> >web developer
[07:36] <AlexMoll> and even so
[07:37] <AlexMoll> you say I am exploring what i am worth
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[07:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> that sounds kinda dodgy, like if i see something with better pay that im just gonna up and move
[07:37] <AlexMoll> how many contractors
[07:37] <AlexMoll> does your company
[07:37] <AlexMoll> use
[07:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> none
[07:38] <WhereIsMySpoon> we're tiny man
[07:38] <WhereIsMySpoon> ~15 ppl
[07:38] <AlexMoll> [07:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok, and then a recruiter tells him? [07:35] <AlexMoll> for references [07:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> or a recruiter tells our recruiter and they tell him
[07:38] <AlexMoll> [07:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok, and then a recruiter tells him? [07:35] <AlexMoll> for references [07:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> or a recruiter tells our recruiter and they tell him
[07:38] <AlexMoll> [07:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok, and then a recruiter tells him? [07:35] <AlexMoll> for references [07:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> or a recruiter tells our recruiter and they tell him[07:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok, and then a recruiter tells him? [07:35] <AlexMoll> for references [07:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> or a recruiter tells our recruiter and they tell him[07:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok, and then a recruiter tells him? [07:35] <AlexMoll> for references [07:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> or a r
[07:38] <AlexMoll> Hey, Tony
[07:38] <AlexMoll> you there
[07:38] <WhereIsMySpoon> AlexMoll:  whats with the spam
[07:38] <AlexMoll> Sorry, my poor way of expression
[07:39] Ignored tony2, to unignore type: /UNIGNORE tony2
[07:39] Unignored tony2.
[07:39] <AlexMoll> I guess we are only two in here
[07:39] <WhereIsMySpoon> im so confused
[07:40] <AlexMoll> Okay, if your company doesn't have any contractors
[07:40] <AlexMoll> they likely don't talk to any recruiters
[07:40] <WhereIsMySpoon> wrong
[07:40] <WhereIsMySpoon> we have a recruitment agency we use when we need to recruit
[07:40] <WhereIsMySpoon> i used it to get here
[07:40] <AlexMoll> So you lied
[07:40] <AlexMoll> ?
[07:40] <WhereIsMySpoon> ?
[07:40] <WhereIsMySpoon> no?
[07:41] <AlexMoll> it wasn't a lie...
[07:41] <AlexMoll> but it wasn't completely true
[07:41] <WhereIsMySpoon> what?
[07:41] <WhereIsMySpoon> which bit are u talking about
[07:41] <AlexMoll> Your company ot using any recruiters
[07:42] <WhereIsMySpoon> i never said that?
[07:42] <AlexMoll> L <AlexMoll> how many contractors [07:37] <AlexMoll> does your company [07:37] <AlexMoll> use [07:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> none [07:38] <WhereIsMySpoon> we're tiny man [07:38] <WhereIsMySpoon> ~15 ppl
[07:42] <AlexMoll> gives the impression
[07:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok sorry then
[07:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> :)
[07:43] <AlexMoll> that you would never really use a recruiter and are more of a post a job, interview, and "hire" firm.
[07:43] <AlexMoll> Sorry for the ruckus mate.
[07:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> nah that isnt how we work
[07:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> afaik
[07:43] <AlexMoll> Is ANYONE
[07:43] <AlexMoll> in here?
[07:43] <AlexMoll> besides us?
[07:44] <WhereIsMySpoon> theyre all figments of our imagination
[07:44] <WhereIsMySpoon> lol
[07:44] <XgizmoX> I'm here
[07:44] <XgizmoX> at least I'm pretty sure I'm here...
[07:44] <AlexMoll> gizmo
[07:44] <AlexMoll> have you been reading?
[07:44] <XgizmoX> something about recruiters?
[07:45] <WhereIsMySpoon> this dude's saying i should be doing an interview every 2 weeks
[07:45] <WhereIsMySpoon> even if im not looking for a job
[07:45] <XgizmoX> seems like a lot of time
[07:45] <AlexMoll> i didn't say
[07:45] <AlexMoll> full blown out interview
[07:45] <AlexMoll> i said
[07:45] <AlexMoll> phone screen 30 minutes
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[07:45] <XgizmoX> I just accept recruiter linkedin requests
[07:45] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok sure
[07:45] <AlexMoll> gizmo he also mentioned
[07:46] <XgizmoX> Yeah I always talk to recruiters when I have the chance
[07:46] <AlexMoll> he has had 1 job and has been developing for 3 years
[07:46] <XgizmoX> time to move :|
[07:46] <AlexMoll> please
[07:46] <WhereIsMySpoon> really
[07:46] <XgizmoX> you're going to get more moving than you are staying
[07:46] <AlexMoll> scroll up to 7:22
[07:47] <AlexMoll> 7:22
[07:47] <AlexMoll> and read on
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[07:47] <AlexMoll> and please talk some sense into this mans career
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[07:47] <WhereIsMySpoon> XgizmoX: and how do I explain to my boss if he finds ive been doing phone interviews even though I dont want to move? it'll look kinda bad
[07:48] <XgizmoX> Don't tell your boss and don't make it obvious you're doing interviews :)
[07:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> recruiters talk surely
[07:48] <XgizmoX> Not if you tell them not to
[07:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> i see
[07:48] <XgizmoX> Theyre pretty good with that