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  1. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:53]
  2. I don't know if you blocked me on steam, but here is my response:
  3.  
  4. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:53]
  5. Dude, this is ridiculous. I don't know what Jon told you, but literally NO ONE from PM or MF had any problems with you. The reason I unfriended you is because of that ridiculous facebook post you posted after you left PM for the second time. The first time you left, I was genuinely bummed- you're a nice guy. But then you randomly freaked out again, and instead of communicating your fears with the group, you just up and left then posted a douchey facebook post about 'fake friends'. Look at this from my position- would you want to actively engage with someone like that? Would you want to communicate with someone who accuses you and others of being fake friends, when you've literally said NOTHING about them? Lemme summarize this as simply as possible. When I first met you, you seemed like a cool guy. When you left PM initially, I was sad because I thought it was a misunderstanding. When you came back and left AGAIN, I realized that this is probably something you do often, and I have absolutely ZERO interest in dealing with people who accuse their friends of being fake due to their insecurities. This type of shit drives people away Lev. You're a good guy, but I am not interested in coddling you and patting you on the back every time you feel like you've been 'slighted' by a group of people. No one had a problem with you until you created one, and you have no one to blame but yourself.
  6.  
  7. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 14:55]
  8. I really don't need this. You nor mech ar interested in actually talking and i didn't say anyone was a fake friend.
  9.  
  10. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:55]
  11. You don't need this? Then why did you message me?
  12.  
  13. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 14:55]
  14. I'm allowed to vent on my Facebook. Its not my fault you guys don't talk about it.
  15.  
  16. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:55]
  17. YOU NEVER BROUGHT IT UP WITH US
  18.  
  19. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:55]
  20. You made a passive aggressive whiny facebook post.
  21.  
  22. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 14:55]
  23. I did initially because i thought i could keep some lines. But then i realized it would be this way
  24.  
  25. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:56]
  26. Dude, this is ridiculous
  27.  
  28. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 14:56]
  29. Im ALLOWED to vent
  30.  
  31. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:56]
  32. I never said you weren't
  33.  
  34. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:56]
  35. But people are also allowed to react
  36.  
  37. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:56]
  38. What did you expect?
  39.  
  40. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 14:56]
  41. I expect if someone has an issue to say to my face. Instead i get this quiet shun
  42.  
  43. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 14:57]
  44. If i wanted to hide something i wouldn't have posted it
  45.  
  46. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:57]
  47. Uh, that's exactly what you did to the group
  48.  
  49. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:57]
  50. You didn't say it to our faces
  51.  
  52. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 14:57]
  53. Yes i did actually. I voiced how i disliked talking people like their trash
  54.  
  55. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 14:57]
  56. No one listened
  57.  
  58. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:57]
  59. How did we talk to you like you're trash?
  60.  
  61. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:58]
  62. Literally everyone liked you
  63.  
  64. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 14:58]
  65. Not me. Others.
  66.  
  67. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 14:58]
  68. I don't stand by that
  69.  
  70. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 14:58]
  71. Its low.
  72.  
  73. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:58]
  74. Who then?
  75.  
  76. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:59]
  77. Who did we talk about like they were trash?
  78.  
  79. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 14:59]
  80. Anyone. Jon especially. I know people are gonna say one or two things but I'm not gonna stay in a group where i hardly get spoken to and listen to people complain about others.
  81.  
  82. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 14:59]
  83. You guys would complain about main chat and talk about certain people
  84.  
  85. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:59]
  86. So what? We can't vent in chat?
  87.  
  88. Icarus!, [23.03.17 14:59]
  89. You can vent, but we can't?
  90.  
  91. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:00]
  92. When it goes on and on and its only mocking people, I don't like to watch that.
  93.  
  94. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:00]
  95. I don't go out of my way to refer to people like their crap every other week
  96.  
  97. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:00]
  98. I vent my issue about something and im done
  99.  
  100. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:01]
  101. So then, if you vent and are done, why did you leave, come back, leave, post about it on facebook, the contact everyone on your friends list?
  102.  
  103. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:01]
  104. That doesn't sound like "dropping it" to me
  105.  
  106. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:01]
  107. And as for Jon- you realize he's a manipulator, and a liar, right?
  108.  
  109. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:02]
  110. And when we told him he couldn't come because mech's landlord only allows him to have a certain amount of people over, he freaked out
  111.  
  112. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:03]
  113. And made it seem like we did it just to hurt his feelings
  114.  
  115. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:03]
  116. I left the first time because i have anxiety. It happens. The second time i grew tired of hearing all this trash talk about others. Its mean. I've been on that side too often to just let it happen to anyone else. I contacted people after mech basically said i wasn't worth time to be friends with after i said how i spent my how birthday party WORRYING about you guys never showing up on a winter trek across state. I was already hurt from that then he said all that.
  117.  
  118. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:03]
  119. [In reply to Icarus!]
  120. He didn't lie about any of that
  121.  
  122. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:04]
  123. He told me exactly that but he was left out.
  124.  
  125. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:04]
  126. He was angry because his friends suddenly cut him out and mech wouldn't talk it out
  127.  
  128. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:04]
  129. Something i can understand
  130.  
  131. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:04]
  132. Mech did talk about it
  133.  
  134. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:04]
  135. He told him exactly what I told you
  136.  
  137. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:04]
  138. That jon couldnt come because we had already met the limit
  139.  
  140. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:05]
  141. And jon freaked out, and wrote this long winded message about him being super depressed and crying because his 'friends' abandoned him
  142.  
  143. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:05]
  144. We didn't abandon him
  145.  
  146. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:05]
  147. He invited himself
  148.  
  149. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:05]
  150. And it turned out he couldn't come
  151.  
  152. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:06]
  153. That's when mech said he was done talking
  154.  
  155. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:07]
  156. And all's he's wanted is to try and talk it out but he was ignored then blocked. Depsite mech being all about settling the issues of the crap that went down. He's ignored him and then me as well as told me im not worth time which only wounded me all the more.
  157.  
  158. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:07]
  159. You wanna know why mech has ignored him?
  160.  
  161. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:07]
  162. I didn't realize you removed me from Facebook til i sent the message and then it was too late
  163.  
  164. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:07]
  165. Jon sent a screenshot to silver, complaing about something mech said
  166.  
  167. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:08]
  168. The image was photoshopped
  169.  
  170. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:08]
  171. Jon literally took the time to photoshop a message from mech, in an attempt to make him look bad
  172.  
  173. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:08]
  174. And that was actually just recently
  175.  
  176. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:09]
  177. In what way. Cause it seems like all jon really wanted was to talk it out
  178.  
  179. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:09]
  180. People deserve the right to at least talk out a final say
  181.  
  182. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:09]
  183. He made it look like mech said he couldn't come to the gaming meets.
  184.  
  185. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:09]
  186. He told me that bit
  187.  
  188. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:09]
  189. When in reality mech had said "a lot of people at the meets would be uncomfortable with you being there. You are welcome to come, but keep that in mind"
  190.  
  191. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:09]
  192. That he was banned but never showed me anything
  193.  
  194. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:10]
  195. [In reply to Icarus!]
  196. That's fairly abrasive
  197.  
  198. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:10]
  199. It's the truth
  200.  
  201. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:10]
  202. Why? He seemed fine at hexa's
  203.  
  204. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:10]
  205. Dude, that was months ago
  206.  
  207. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:10]
  208. Peoples opinions change about people
  209.  
  210. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:10]
  211. Jon is not a pleasant person
  212.  
  213. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:11]
  214. Maybe he's just better in a social setting? Idk.
  215.  
  216. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:11]
  217. But he seems genuinely upset because he was never given a chance to talk
  218.  
  219. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:11]
  220. Even if that's the case, we have a right to not want to associate with people if we find them unpleasant
  221.  
  222. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:11]
  223. Dude, why would we give him a chance when he literally faked an image?
  224.  
  225. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:11]
  226. [In reply to Icarus!]
  227. For a public meet not really
  228.  
  229. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:12]
  230. [In reply to Icarus!]
  231. Im speaking prior. I can't defend that if he did
  232.  
  233. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:12]
  234. I haven't seen anything though
  235.  
  236. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:12]
  237. Dude, this isn't a state sponsored meet
  238.  
  239. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:12]
  240. And mech never said he couldnt come
  241.  
  242. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:12]
  243. Do you know how it feels to invite a room but bar one person​?
  244.  
  245. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:13]
  246. MECH SAID HE COULD COME
  247.  
  248. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:13]
  249. Okay dude. Chill
  250.  
  251. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:13]
  252. I've said it three times
  253.  
  254. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:13]
  255. I know.
  256.  
  257. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:13]
  258. So then stop acting like mech said he couldn't
  259.  
  260. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:13]
  261. It's frustrating
  262.  
  263. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:14]
  264. But you've also said mech voiced against him. That's just the same. Maybe not directly but that's exactly what it feels like.
  265.  
  266. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:14]
  267. It still stings
  268.  
  269. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:14]
  270. So what? Mech has every right to say he doesn't like someone
  271.  
  272. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:14]
  273. He didn't say he couldn't come
  274.  
  275. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:14]
  276. But still say they can come? That's fucked up.
  277.  
  278. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:15]
  279. Jon created this situation for himself
  280.  
  281. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:15]
  282. What are we supposed to do? Pretend like he doesn't irritate people?
  283.  
  284. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:15]
  285. He even pisses off people in the big main chat
  286.  
  287. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:15]
  288. How is that fucked up?
  289.  
  290. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:15]
  291. In the beginning all he wanted was to talk. You can't say you don't care but at the same time you don't want someone there. Its unfair to make something so divided but imply a denial
  292.  
  293. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:16]
  294. I wouldn't know. I'm not in it.
  295.  
  296. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:16]
  297. Mech didn't want to talk because Jon wasn't listening
  298.  
  299. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:16]
  300. Mech told him "You can't come because my landlord said no"
  301. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:16]
  302. Then jon bitched to mech about how HE (mech) was being unfair
  303.  
  304. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:17]
  305. How does that make any sense dude?
  306.  
  307. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:17]
  308. [In reply to Icarus!]
  309. he didn't use these exact words btw
  310.  
  311. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:17]
  312. Okay then. We can drop the jon story then. I'm​only trying to be devils advocate for him cause i know exactly what he's dealing with. We all have our issues but i still believe in giving people chances to speak, even if you have to let them barf it all first
  313.  
  314. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:18]
  315. But in the end its not my say
  316.  
  317. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:18]
  318. But THAT'S why we were complaining about him
  319.  
  320. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:18]
  321. Which in turn lead to you leaving
  322.  
  323. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:18]
  324. We were bitching because jon was being an unfair, whiny jerk
  325.  
  326. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:18]
  327. It wasn't just talking about him. It was everyone mentioned and how it went on.
  328.  
  329. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:19]
  330. If its below you guys then move on
  331.  
  332. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:19]
  333. I don't like sitting in that
  334.  
  335. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:19]
  336. Dude, I'm sorry if you don't like people bitching about others, but that's what people do
  337.  
  338. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:19]
  339. and that's a very small portion of what goes on in PM
  340.  
  341. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:19]
  342. I know exactly how it feels to be shunned by a bunch of people. Its not pleasant. Im too empathetic to that.
  343.  
  344. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:20]
  345. The only other person I can remember being talked about was Folkvar, and he literally is a psychopath
  346.  
  347. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:20]
  348. Who talked about shooting up rooms full of people
  349.  
  350. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:20]
  351. [In reply to Levy Lazu]
  352. Who has shunned you? Other groups?
  353.  
  354. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:20]
  355. Because we sure as hell didn't
  356.  
  357. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:20]
  358. But I wasn't apart of the other room..im left there to listen
  359.  
  360. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:21]
  361. I didn't say you guys did
  362.  
  363. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:21]
  364. Im saying i just know how it feels
  365.  
  366. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:21]
  367. Ok, I can understand empathizing with someone
  368.  
  369. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:21]
  370. But why did you make that facebook post then?
  371.  
  372. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:21]
  373. We all wanted to be friends with you
  374.  
  375. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:21]
  376. You're a nice guy lev
  377.  
  378. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:22]
  379. But you strike me as paranoid- like, someone who constantly needs to be reminded that, "No, we're not mad at you. Yes, we still like you."
  380.  
  381. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:22]
  382. That gets exhausting dude
  383.  
  384. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:22]
  385. I understand you have anxiety
  386.  
  387. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:22]
  388. So do I
  389.  
  390. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:22]
  391. So does mech
  392.  
  393. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:22]
  394. And a lot of other people in the group
  395.  
  396. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:24]
  397. The reason mech doesn't wanna talk about this stuff with you is because he's tired of drama
  398.  
  399. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:24]
  400. Because it bothers me. That's who i am. I don't condone going on about people behind their backs. Yeah a short spit about it happens. But those conversations went on, man.
  401.  
  402. And yeah I can be because i watch people, especially people called my friends, talk to each other all the time but i never, or at least rarely, get spoken to or involved with. I sit and i get silence for weeks and no one bothers to try a hello and conversation to encourage the idea that maybe people *are* cool with me and want to talk which would encourage me to act myself
  403.  
  404. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:24]
  405. Dude, you rarely participated in chat
  406.  
  407. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:24]
  408. You guys really don't know how little i get spoken to.
  409.  
  410. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:25]
  411. Its Incredibly hard
  412.  
  413. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:25]
  414. You can't expect people to always break the ice
  415.  
  416. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:25]
  417. [In reply to Levy Lazu]
  418. Dude, I suffer from anxiety. I know what its like
  419.  
  420. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:25]
  421. I'm sorry, but get over it and just start talking
  422.  
  423. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:25]
  424. I don't. But it takes both sides and sometimes i would like, yeah, someone else to say something and i can take off from there easily
  425.  
  426. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:25]
  427. We're not going to ask *you* specifically how your day is going
  428.  
  429. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:25]
  430. That's not the groups problem man
  431.  
  432. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:25]
  433. Im not asking anyone to
  434.  
  435. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:26]
  436. But a friend does try to hit up occasionally
  437.  
  438. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:26]
  439. Dude, we all barely know eachother in real life
  440.  
  441. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:26]
  442. I know mike and mech
  443.  
  444. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:26]
  445. If people aren't hitting you up, it's because of stuff like this
  446.  
  447. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:26]
  448. And if people don't ever seem to, i get nervous and won't talk cause i have too many issues like this happening. Where people are annoyed over something but *they don't bother saying so*
  449.  
  450. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:27]
  451. You just messaged me. Here i am talking.
  452.  
  453. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:27]
  454. Literally all it takes
  455.  
  456. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:27]
  457. And by stuff like this, I mean, posting bitchy facebook posts and writing steam messages to people en masse regarding your relationship with them
  458.  
  459. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:27]
  460. that stuff is NOT appealing
  461.  
  462. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:28]
  463. And I can understand why people would be put off by it
  464.  
  465. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:28]
  466. [In reply to Levy Lazu]
  467. yes, and I appreciate it
  468.  
  469. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:28]
  470. Yeah you guys are more comfortable with each other. But like you said we're not. Then wheres the help in starting that? That's all i ask.
  471.  
  472. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:28]
  473. I can't know its okay unless someone acts like it is
  474.  
  475. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:28]
  476. No one is going to help you
  477.  
  478. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:28]
  479. You have to help yourself
  480.  
  481. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:28]
  482. Im not asking to help me
  483.  
  484. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:29]
  485. Im asking to help keep a friendship
  486.  
  487. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:29]
  488. "But like you said we're not. Then wheres the help in starting that? That's all i ask."
  489.  
  490. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:29]
  491. Because its new
  492.  
  493. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:29]
  494. You guys didn't even bother to confront me.
  495.  
  496. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:29]
  497. IT'S NOT OUR JOB
  498.  
  499. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:30]
  500. And I confronted you today about your message, and your immediate response was "I don't need this"
  501.  
  502. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:30]
  503. If you want to be friends its part of the friendship. You have an issue about something i say, say so.
  504.  
  505. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:30]
  506. Because you were being aggressive
  507.  
  508. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:30]
  509. I wasn't being aggressive
  510.  
  511. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:30]
  512. I was being blunt
  513.  
  514. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:30]
  515. There's a difference
  516.  
  517. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:30]
  518. I'm sick of mincing words
  519.  
  520. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:30]
  521. Fine. But it came off so. But that's *just* how i felt
  522.  
  523. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:31]
  524. And the all caps isn't helping
  525.  
  526. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:31]
  527. Because you are repeatedly contradicting yourself
  528.  
  529. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:31]
  530. You say you're not asking for help, then say you're asking for help, and that you want US to confront YOU
  531.  
  532. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:31]
  533. Instead of you bringing it up in the group
  534.  
  535. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:32]
  536. I'm trying to talk. If it isn't obvious I can have difficulty until i can say things right especially when being so bluntly addressed
  537.  
  538. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:32]
  539. Do I not have a right to get frustrated then?
  540.  
  541. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:32]
  542. There are multiple things here. And you're using that to say im contradictory
  543.  
  544. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:32]
  545. I'm frustrated because people liked you
  546.  
  547. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:33]
  548. It gets me anxious
  549.  
  550. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:33]
  551. And probably still do
  552.  
  553. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:33]
  554. But you're creating problems for yourself
  555.  
  556. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:33]
  557. And letting jon's fucking gossip influence your decisions
  558.  
  559. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:33]
  560. THAT is why I'm frustrated
  561.  
  562. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:33]
  563. PM is a good group of guys
  564.  
  565. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:34]
  566. [In reply to Icarus!]
  567. I left the group to sustain that is my biggest reason. I could just talk to you guys individual and feel less intimidated instead of being outvoiced in a group
  568.  
  569. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:34]
  570. But no one seemed keen on doing so
  571.  
  572. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:34]
  573. Dude, again, people are not going to approach you if they barely know you
  574.  
  575. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:34]
  576. You can say its my fault but i can only do so much on my half
  577.  
  578. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:34]
  579. Its a chat service. Why not.
  580.  
  581. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:35]
  582. Because that's not how people work
  583.  
  584. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:35]
  585. How do you get to know someone then?
  586.  
  587. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:35]
  588. In something like telegram?
  589.  
  590. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:35]
  591. You chat in a group setting- you put yourself out there
  592.  
  593. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:35]
  594. How did i manage to see you all at the meet?
  595.  
  596. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:35]
  597. There's multiple ways
  598.  
  599. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:35]
  600. Then, if you're lucky, you meet them in person, get a long, and repeatedly meet
  601.  
  602. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:35]
  603. You tell me I have to do things myself but you guys can't simply chat one on one?
  604.  
  605. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:36]
  606. Plenty of other people do with me
  607.  
  608. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:36]
  609. You guy's are my friends. That's what I'd do then.
  610.  
  611. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:37]
  612. [Forwarded from Levy Lazu]
  613. You guys really don't know how little i get spoken to.
  614.  
  615. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:37]
  616. [Forwarded from Levy Lazu]
  617. Plenty of other people do with me
  618.  
  619. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:37]
  620. contradiction
  621.  
  622. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:37]
  623. Two different meanings
  624.  
  625. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:37]
  626. I get spoken to little. But the few times i do, people have spoken directly
  627.  
  628. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:37]
  629. See?
  630.  
  631. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:37]
  632. That's not how most people operate
  633.  
  634. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:37]
  635. You're trying to catch me and I don't know why
  636.  
  637. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:38]
  638. I'm trying to show you WHY I'm frustrated with you
  639.  
  640. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:38]
  641. And the only people I talk with directly in PM are people who I either share common interests with, or are close with in the real world
  642.  
  643. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:38]
  644. And I've been frustrated with you guys. I don't go out of my way to just about belittle someone though and blame it on them.
  645.  
  646. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:38]
  647. I talk about it. I don't set traps.
  648.  
  649. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:39]
  650. Is that what you think I'm doing?
  651.  
  652. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:39]
  653. Its been feeling like that at times. Not completely but when you keep taking different ideas and mixing them you put me in corners. Especially for someone who says they have anxiety too
  654.  
  655. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:40]
  656. Dude, I'm not putting you in a corner, you're putting yourself in a corner
  657.  
  658. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:40]
  659. And I'm pointing that out, in an attempt to show you that your logic is wrong
  660.  
  661. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:40]
  662. Or contradictory at the least
  663.  
  664. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:40]
  665. What logic? Its anxiety and issues speaking straight
  666.  
  667. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:41]
  668. You press hard enough i have to say *something​*
  669.  
  670. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:41]
  671. Lev, I don't feel like this conversation is going anywhere
  672.  
  673. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:41]
  674. You're accusing me is why.
  675.  
  676. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:41]
  677. I've pointed out to you that no one had any ill will toward you
  678.  
  679. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:41]
  680. I don't appreciate it.
  681.  
  682. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:42]
  683. And you're not getting it
  684.  
  685. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:42]
  686. I was talking willingly but when you try to get me to take blame it happens
  687.  
  688. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:42]
  689. I do get it
  690.  
  691. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:42]
  692. But you're pinning things on me
  693.  
  694. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:42]
  695. Its not beneficial
  696.  
  697. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:42]
  698. What am I pinning on you?
  699.  
  700. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:43]
  701. I'm demonstrating that you're saying contradictory things
  702.  
  703. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:43]
  704. If I don't do that, how will anything ever get solved?
  705.  
  706. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:43]
  707. I don't feel i am. Maybe my words are the best but believe me or not, logic is my thing.
  708.  
  709. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:43]
  710. Then talk to me. Don't talk at me
  711.  
  712. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:44]
  713. Because all i feel is you trying to point out my wrongs
  714.  
  715. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:44]
  716. When all i feel is hurt
  717.  
  718. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:44]
  719. Stop
  720.  
  721. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:44]
  722. You wanted to talk about this
  723.  
  724. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:44]
  725. I'm talking about it
  726.  
  727. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:44]
  728. And I'm telling you how I and the others see it
  729.  
  730. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:44]
  731. And you're only looking at things from your viewpoint
  732.  
  733. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:44]
  734. I understand you have anxiety
  735.  
  736. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:45]
  737. But that's not an excuse
  738.  
  739. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:45]
  740. [In reply to Icarus!]
  741. I am. Because you aren't. You think its just my anxiety and its not.
  742.  
  743. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:45]
  744. Do you understand what started this?
  745.  
  746. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:45]
  747. what?
  748.  
  749. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:49]
  750. When I approached Mech about feeling hurt when I heard nothing from you guys on my party day. I spent the night worrying about you guys but with how he approached me about leaving the group, I couldn't bring myself to try and message you guys. I figured I'd wait, thinking my friends would eventually explain it. Instead he told me then why you guys didn't and then continued to say I hurt *his* feelings for what my Facebook post said about the group in general, *not how i felt individually about you guys* and that he assumed what i needed like you've been doing and that there was no time for me or friendship
  751.  
  752. He took the group as his domain and made me question how you all felt and doubt the silence I've been waiting to work through since leaving.
  753.  
  754. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:51]
  755. I still considered you all friends. I was frustrated at the group setting only. But to be cast aside and not be spoken to? Only made me feel worse.
  756.  
  757. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:52]
  758. I don't know what mech said to you about your birthday, so I can't comment on that
  759.  
  760. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:52]
  761. I have it. But will only share if you wish.
  762.  
  763. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:53]
  764. But you also need to realize that just because people know eachother in a group, doesn't make them 'friends' in the same way people are friends in the real world.
  765.  
  766. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:53]
  767. I wasn't interested in the party because I don't know you that well
  768.  
  769. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:53]
  770. Let me question that then.
  771.  
  772. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:53]
  773. And I'm sure others felt the same way
  774.  
  775. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:53]
  776. Ok
  777.  
  778. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:54]
  779. Why bother talking like you all are friends if that's not true? You say I've been contradictory but that's the backwards thing most people do that I don't understand. If we aren't friends then why talk like we are just to let someone down when it comes to being friends?
  780.  
  781. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:55]
  782. Because people are social creatures
  783.  
  784. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:55]
  785. No we don't know each other well. But you're supposed to get to know someone then. That's what a social event is.
  786.  
  787. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:55]
  788. ^social creatures
  789.  
  790. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:55]
  791. But I also have bills to pay, and didn't have a job at the time
  792.  
  793. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:55]
  794. Neither did mech
  795.  
  796. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:55]
  797. Nor mike
  798.  
  799. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:55]
  800. Driving costs money
  801.  
  802. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:56]
  803. If you lived 5 minutes away like mike does, sure, I'd have swung by
  804.  
  805. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:56]
  806. I'm not talking about others. And then I could have used some communication. All I needed was a message saying that. I was left waiting on the idea you guys were possibly coming.
  807.  
  808. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:56]
  809. I worried.
  810.  
  811. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:56]
  812. You should have approached the group and asked them "Who is definitely coming"
  813.  
  814. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:57]
  815. People do not take internet invitations seriously
  816.  
  817. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:57]
  818. I have REAL LIFE friends who don't show up to events I've organized through FB all the time
  819.  
  820. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:57]
  821. It's the nature of the internet
  822.  
  823. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:57]
  824. I wasn't in the group then. And it was through mecha. He asked about you guys attending and i said id be open and glad
  825.  
  826. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:57]
  827. I understand that.
  828.  
  829. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:57]
  830. But i was left on a note.
  831.  
  832. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:58]
  833. You guys may all have boundaries, i do too. But i still care about people and worry.
  834.  
  835. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:58]
  836. That's who i am.
  837.  
  838. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:58]
  839. I don't know what to tell you man. I can understand being frustrated if mech asked about attending and didn't show up, but shit happens
  840.  
  841. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:58]
  842. I didn't care about not showing
  843.  
  844. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:58]
  845. I cared about not knowing if you guys were okay
  846.  
  847. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:59]
  848. Well, I'm sorry man
  849.  
  850. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:59]
  851. None of us meant to make you worry
  852.  
  853. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:59]
  854. Its winter. Road suck.
  855.  
  856. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 15:59]
  857. I appreciate that. I do.
  858.  
  859. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:59]
  860. But please realize that most of us in the group aren't really all that close
  861.  
  862. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:59]
  863. And don't really worry about things like that
  864.  
  865. Icarus!, [23.03.17 15:59]
  866. And if you were that worried, why didnt you ask?
  867.  
  868. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:00]
  869. Like I said before, the way mecha spoke about me leaving the group, i felt very...well, I didn't want to bother you guys..last thing I'd do is seem like I'm hounding you about attending
  870.  
  871. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:01]
  872. mech can be very straight forward with is words, and I understand how that might come across
  873.  
  874. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:01]
  875. But that's the nature of communicating on the internet
  876.  
  877. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:01]
  878. Words can come across as hasher than they're meant to
  879.  
  880. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:01]
  881. So I've been gathering finally since his latest message
  882.  
  883. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:01]
  884. And if you're worried, ask
  885.  
  886. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:02]
  887. Its a double edged sword though. I ask and either im a bother or being anxiety-y
  888.  
  889. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:02]
  890. I don't know what to tell you man
  891.  
  892. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:02]
  893. That's life
  894.  
  895. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:02]
  896. Like you said you get frustrated
  897.  
  898. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:02]
  899. I don't like causing that
  900.  
  901. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:03]
  902. I will hide 9 out of 10 times. I barely managed the courage to approach mech
  903.  
  904. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:03]
  905. Lev, you need to look out for you
  906.  
  907. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:03]
  908. Even if it's not pleasant
  909.  
  910. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:03]
  911. People will either understand, or they won't
  912.  
  913. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:04]
  914. We don't all operate the same way, and some people just don't get along
  915.  
  916. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:04]
  917. That's fairly hard. I have my self-respect​ but i care about people. I always have.
  918.  
  919. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:04]
  920. And you're never going to be able to please everyone
  921.  
  922. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:04]
  923. [In reply to Levy Lazu]
  924. The only advice I can offer you is to get over it
  925.  
  926. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:05]
  927. That might sound harsh
  928.  
  929. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:05]
  930. But you have to
  931.  
  932. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:05]
  933. I know
  934.  
  935. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:05]
  936. Or you're going to wind up pushing people away
  937.  
  938. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:05]
  939. Or frustrating them
  940.  
  941. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:05]
  942. Heh
  943.  
  944. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:06]
  945. And like, I feel bad, because even though we've had this conversation, I'm not sure if things can go back to the way they were in the beginning. I haven't been in the fandom long, and maybe more willing to talk with people about this stuff and understand, but others aren't
  946.  
  947. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:06]
  948. Everyone has a breaking point
  949.  
  950. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:06]
  951. I understand. I do.
  952.  
  953. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:06]
  954. Where they just no longer want to bother with it because it's a hassle
  955.  
  956. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:07]
  957. Breaking points, yeah.
  958.  
  959. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:08]
  960. I've lost a lot of people. I'll move on eventually.
  961.  
  962. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:08]
  963. Just be well.
  964.  
  965. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:08]
  966. If you want some advice- try making friends with people outside the fandom
  967.  
  968. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:08]
  969. The fandom is rife with this sort of shit
  970.  
  971. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:08]
  972. And it's unhealthy
  973.  
  974. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:08]
  975. People on the internet more often than not don't know how to communicate properly
  976.  
  977. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:09]
  978. I do. Trust me. The fandom just has people that I can associate with on some things better. Its nice to have those.
  979.  
  980. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:09]
  981. I understand, but you have to realize that your internet friends are more often than not 'real friends'
  982.  
  983. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:09]
  984. [In reply to Icarus!]
  985. I never have been good. Its just the autism
  986.  
  987. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:10]
  988. Don't count on people that you only really know through the internet to show up to parties, or help you out
  989.  
  990. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:10]
  991. There's a disconnect there
  992.  
  993. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:10]
  994. I don't put as much weight as you think. What I fret over is opportunities. Once it's gone, its gone.
  995.  
  996. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:10]
  997. Well, time does heal wounds
  998.  
  999. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:11]
  1000. But there is a degree of truth to that I suppose
  1001.  
  1002. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:11]
  1003. You need to learn to speak up, even if it's uncomfortable
  1004.  
  1005. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:11]
  1006. All situational
  1007.  
  1008. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:11]
  1009. Or might make people mad
  1010.  
  1011. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:11]
  1012. social interactions, even on the internet, can be messy
  1013.  
  1014. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:11]
  1015. That's life
  1016.  
  1017. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:11]
  1018. I know. That's why I spoke to mech. I forced myself
  1019.  
  1020. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:12]
  1021. Me reaching out to others was just me checking on any lines incase the same had happened. Figured Id get it over with
  1022.  
  1023. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:12]
  1024. Don't do that stuff
  1025.  
  1026. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:13]
  1027. It doesn't make you look desirable as a friend. It makes you look paranoid, and that shit gets old quickly
  1028.  
  1029. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:13]
  1030. You don't need worry over me. Follow your own advice. People who get to know me will see it otherwise.
  1031.  
  1032. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:14]
  1033. They'll know me.
  1034.  
  1035. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:14]
  1036. Lev, please trust me on this
  1037.  
  1038. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:14]
  1039. I hate to be that guy, but can't exactly with all you've said about internet and 'not friends' :p
  1040.  
  1041. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:15]
  1042. lol
  1043.  
  1044. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:15]
  1045. I'll make it work or learn. That's life.
  1046.  
  1047. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:15]
  1048. I hope so man
  1049.  
  1050. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:15]
  1051. I gotta run
  1052.  
  1053. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:15]
  1054. Thanks for talking
  1055.  
  1056. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:15]
  1057. If you don't mind, I'd like to show this conversation to mech
  1058.  
  1059. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:15]
  1060. And maybe see what he thinks about it
  1061.  
  1062. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:15]
  1063. Be well. Thanks too. And very well.
  1064.  
  1065. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:16]
  1066. Are you ok with that?
  1067.  
  1068. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:16]
  1069. Yeah. I mean I share mine with Dervak. Only natural.
  1070.  
  1071. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:16]
  1072. gotcha
  1073.  
  1074. Levy Lazu, [23.03.17 16:16]
  1075. Good luck to you guys
  1076.  
  1077. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:16]
  1078. Well, take it easy man. Good luck with your stuff
  1079.  
  1080. Icarus!, [23.03.17 16:16]
  1081. Thanks man, same to you
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