[12:04:21] <*buffextras> [08:59:46] stef|grue!~unarmed@p54B34498.dip0.t-ipconnect.de joined [12:04:21] [09:00:13] X-Ray_Dog: we need to finish that discussion [12:04:21] [12:11:00] X-Ray_Dog: we need to finish that discussion today! [12:04:21] [14:20:57] X-Ray_Dog: how about right now? [12:04:21] [14:23:08] I think he is afk [12:04:21] [14:23:32] he's reading the forum right now [12:04:21] [14:24:53] or is "afk" code for "coward"? [12:04:21] [14:25:03] No, its his bouncer showing him as /away [12:04:21] [14:25:12] Which generally mean a client isn’t hooked up on the other end [12:04:21] [14:25:44] he's been dodging me for three days [12:04:21] [14:27:02] B}Ronald_Reagan: how's gamma in sauer? [12:04:21] [14:27:27] haven’t tested it [12:04:21] * stef|grue [14:28:00] is shocked [12:04:21] [14:28:48] you're right: probably doesn't matter anymore [12:04:21] [14:31:27] so, almost everyone stopped working on the next release... [12:04:21] [14:31:40] ...would have been nice to tell me, too [12:04:21] [14:32:57] I do work on it, but have no deadline so no need. [12:04:21] [14:43:54] sure [12:04:21] [14:45:30] B}Ronald_Reagan: in your mind, what would be the appropriate reaction of a dev team member, if some forum members call him "hitler"? (and please assume, that the dev team member has enough knowledge of german history to know what that exactly means) [12:04:21] [14:46:56] On the forum? [12:04:21] [14:46:58] and link? [12:04:21] [14:47:35] I’d give them warnings, but on the scale of things its not the worst (from what I know of the situation. [12:04:21] [14:47:47] really? i can call you what i want, as long as it's not on the forum? [12:04:21] [14:48:04] Well, if its on IRC I’ll kick/ban you [12:04:21] [14:48:12] in game I’ll do similar (if I can) [12:04:21] [14:48:29] If its in email I probably won’t see it [12:04:21] [14:49:11] is this the forum? http://forum.cubers.net/thread-45-post-163868.html#pid163868 [12:04:21] [14:50:28] Nope, thats IRC. You could warn him if you really wanted, but that isn’t him calling you Hitler. Thats him posting IRC logs. [12:04:21] [14:51:18] so, i can call you anything on IRC and "quote" it to the forum? [12:04:21] [14:52:14] and how is that not vanquish calling me hitler? [12:04:21] [14:53:14] He is calling you hitler [12:04:21] [14:53:19] So go ahead and kick him [12:04:21] [14:53:28] But that is Marti posting a log on the forums [12:04:21] [14:53:32] and what do you do, if the warned forum member simply removes his warning points and gives you warning points instead? for warning him? [12:04:21] [14:53:57] Depends on the circumstance. I’ve never had that happen. [12:04:21] [14:54:36] do you just go on as if nothing happened? [12:04:21] [14:55:26] Nope, sounds like a discussion is in order [12:04:21] [14:56:20] well, i've waited for three days now [12:04:21] [14:57:07] thing is: this is a hobby for me [12:04:21] [14:57:25] if it is required to bend over for the forum mob, i'm out [12:04:21] [14:59:07] during the last year, most conversation i've had with contributors, i had on private IRC channels, forum PMs or plain email - because the forum can't be used for sane discussions [12:04:21] [14:59:49] some made it clear, that they don't want to be quoted or mentioned on the forum at all [12:04:21] [15:00:27] Generally the better places on the forum is the private sections [12:04:21] [15:01:19] "A sanctuary away from the trolls." [12:04:21] [15:02:08] what do you think would most forum users say, that we have to have the interesting discussions in private, because we can't get rid of half a dozen idiots? [12:04:21] [15:03:23] do you think, they would say, "sure, that's a fair trade, as long as we keep pearls like http://forum.cubers.net/thread-8243.html"? [12:04:21] [15:03:58] btw, do you know, what's a "petty little thing"? [12:04:21] [15:04:07] Its how its been one in the past [12:04:21] [15:04:09] *done [12:04:21] <***> Playback Complete. [12:04:21] --*status-- Welcome to XRD.me IRC systems. News at http://XRD.me/ [12:04:22] ->> Channel Modes are: +CNnst [12:04:22] ->> Channel created on 8/3/2010 8:48:37 AM [12:04:48] it's been that way a long time - and the game is almost dead and the forum is 95% mindless bullshit [12:05:07] so, it's a clear success story [12:07:00] btw - Undead has been mostly behaving since the ban timed out: it's still mindless bullshit all over, but no more insults from him [12:07:15] <@X-Ray_Dog> stef|grue I'm not hiding from you, I have no reason to be scared. Yes I check the forum, I have a phone. Most people have phones capable of internet. I don't irc every day though [12:07:27] <@X-Ray_Dog> First time you actually tried to contact me other than irc so that's your own fault [12:07:44] <@X-Ray_Dog> Pretty sure I explained the warnings last time and dragging it out is pointless [12:08:40] <@X-Ray_Dog> I have a real life and a real job and real relationships. Real life will always come before this game. Sorry I can't be in irc whenever you are to discuss petty warnings [12:09:40] would you care to answer my last question? do /you/ believe that there will be another release of AC? or are we just riding out the end of the game? [12:10:17] <@X-Ray_Dog> There should be another release. Don't you know why the game is dieing? [12:10:22] <@X-Ray_Dog> Hint: it's not because of the forum [12:10:38] would you please answer the question? [12:10:49] <@X-Ray_Dog> There will one day be another release [12:10:54] <@X-Ray_Dog> Whether you contribute or not [12:11:13] <@X-Ray_Dog> AC has had bumps before [12:11:15] <@X-Ray_Dog> Life goes ono [12:11:20] <@X-Ray_Dog> on* [12:11:39] then let me be perfectly clear: either vanquish gets his points back and keeps them - or I'm gone [12:11:49] <@X-Ray_Dog> That's fucking stupid and immature [12:11:56] your decision [12:11:57] <@X-Ray_Dog> What logic? [12:12:15] i will not be called hitler [12:12:19] that's one [12:12:20] <@X-Ray_Dog> That was in irc [12:12:25] <@X-Ray_Dog> RR explained that one and so did I [12:12:41] <@X-Ray_Dog> You ban vanquish on the forum and he's still going to call you hitler in irc [12:12:44] <@X-Ray_Dog> that doesn't change anything [12:12:53] i need at least /some/ support from the team [12:13:16] something that shows, that the team has my back [12:13:36] (you may have to look up the word "team") [12:14:21] i know very well, that jamz was the only one who wanted me [12:14:51] and now that he's gone, i have no supporters left among the "senior devs" [12:15:13] <@X-Ray_Dog> You might get more support if we had better communication [12:15:25] <@X-Ray_Dog> Threatening to remove dozens of servers for bad maps isn't communication [12:15:25] yeah sure [12:15:36] all my fault [12:15:45] what does this have to do with servers? [12:15:53] <@X-Ray_Dog> It was an example [12:16:13] it wasn't bad maps [12:17:10] but sure, it's my fault when marti calls me an idiot and G1gantuan and vanquish call me hitler [12:17:53] <@X-Ray_Dog> They're upset because you're taking a game too seriously [12:17:56] <@X-Ray_Dog> Ever play COD? [12:18:05] <@X-Ray_Dog> Or CS:Go [12:18:45] btw - you mentioned RK and lucas taking a lot of crap [12:19:05] do you really think, it was their choice, not to react? [12:19:11] <@X-Ray_Dog> They also dish out a lot of crap [12:20:10] at least lucas is afraid to moderate - because he thinks, you will remove him from the mods once he starts [12:20:39] the current state of the forum is on you - and on you alone, apparently [12:21:37] but of course, you can find excuses for everything - like not backing me up, because i care about broken content on the servers... [12:22:07] <@X-Ray_Dog> at least lucas is afraid to moderate - because he thinks, you will remove him from the mods once he starts [12:22:14] "They also dish out a lot of crap" - what do you think, why this is? [12:22:15] <@X-Ray_Dog> On what basis do you think that he thinks this? [12:22:27] drakas said so [12:22:37] <@X-Ray_Dog> On what precedent? [12:23:07] what do you think, why he's only developing outside the forum and the team? because it's so nice on the team? [12:23:12] <@X-Ray_Dog> I'm not playing dominator over anything. If more than enough people support an idea then I'm all for it [12:23:32] or because drakas is such a pleasant person to work with? do you know drakas? [12:23:42] <@X-Ray_Dog> We've spoken, yes [12:24:33] <@X-Ray_Dog> To get back to your point about vanquish though [12:24:36] you said, that i don't have the support of the rest of the dev team (you including), because i care about broken content on servers [12:24:37] <@X-Ray_Dog> He is essentially part of the team [12:24:48] <@X-Ray_Dog> If he can revoke warnings, then he did something to get power previously [12:24:55] <@X-Ray_Dog> I think it's you two that need to work it out [12:25:17] oh sure [12:25:22] again: my fault [12:25:26] <@X-Ray_Dog> You're blaming me and he removed it himself [12:25:28] no reason to back me up... [12:25:41] <@X-Ray_Dog> I backed him up because I honestly think what he did is ok because irc is not the forum [12:26:08] <@X-Ray_Dog> All I'm going against is past actions and what has always worked fine [12:26:18] <@X-Ray_Dog> Then when you came around, everyone freaked out [12:26:30] <@X-Ray_Dog> Don't ask me why, I leave most of your moderation alone [12:26:39] <@X-Ray_Dog> And I explained reasoning for what I do revoke [12:27:50] <@X-Ray_Dog> You claim I'm not supporting you but again, I'm only showing you how users want to see the forum a little better [12:27:58] you know, that you explained nothing - that's why you dodged irc for three days [12:28:45] but as i said: it is your decision, and don't try to blame it on someone else [12:28:58] again: either vanquish gets his points back and keeps them - or I'm gone [12:29:02] <@X-Ray_Dog> You know what I don't care anymore [12:29:03] <@X-Ray_Dog> Fuck off [12:29:15] <@X-Ray_Dog> I have better things to do than waste my time with you if you can't figure this out [12:29:49] and already banned - classy [12:30:09] even though this discussion did not take place on the forum :) [12:30:44] There will one day be another release [12:30:44] Whether you contribute or not [12:30:48] wanna bet? [12:38:03] <@X-Ray_Dog> I didn't ban you [12:38:15] <@X-Ray_Dog> Learn to code for someone other than yourself [12:38:27] <@X-Ray_Dog> IOt's for the game, sure, but is it for the players? [12:38:29] <@X-Ray_Dog> its* [12:38:45] <@X-Ray_Dog> you know, that you explained nothing - that's why you dodged irc for three days [12:38:50] <@X-Ray_Dog> You proved yourself to me with this [12:38:52] <@X-Ray_Dog> Petty [12:39:42] <@X-Ray_Dog> I'll make irc easier for you, name change when my computer goes offline [12:41:53] <@X-Ray_Dog> And yes, I removed you as a dev on the forum. You caon't contribute unless people have warnings from other platforms of communication [12:41:57] <@X-Ray_Dog> can't* [12:42:04] <@X-Ray_Dog> And I can't stand that [12:42:29] <@X-Ray_Dog> Feel free to call me hitler