[14:00:21]	dewww	oh boy
[14:00:47]	dewww	tgh's map13 crusher/door scenario is SO fucked up
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[14:01:00]	dewww	doom has no idea what to do with that combination
[14:01:07]	Megalyth	hiya
[14:01:10]	dewww	hello
[14:01:14]	dewww	even more interestingly
[14:01:18]	Megalyth	sup dewww
[14:01:31]	dewww	even prboom+ -cl 2 and doom2 behave differently
[14:01:42]	dewww	apparently no one ever was crazy enough to put doors on crushers
[14:02:14]	dewww	doom2.exe is hilariously confused
[14:02:52]	dewww	pr+ does what exe does, but adds some more crazy behaviour cause it's more advanced
[14:03:19]	dewww	zdoom just refuses to even consider such a scenario can exist
[14:04:15]	Megalyth	heh
[14:04:25]	Megalyth	what happens in doom2.exe?
[14:04:34]	dewww	talking about the cchest4 map13 crusher bug
[14:04:35]	Megalyth	does the crusher open like a door?
[14:05:24]	dewww	http://www.mediafire.com/?7132v21bqq7nvm3
[14:05:33]	dewww	a test room for it
[14:05:52]	dewww	left side copies the cc4 scenario, right side adds some WR lines for extra fun
[14:06:32]	dewww	three sides of the crusher are D1 doors open-stay as in cc4, backside is DR open-stay-close for more undefined behaviour!
[14:07:19]	dewww	i would like to tell you what doom2.exe does, but it's hard to describe
[14:07:50]	dewww	i think the engine screams and decides what to do with the sector in a sudden burst of panic
[14:08:41]	Megalyth	seems like it just stops the movement because it doesn't know how to react
[14:09:01]	Megalyth	in choco
[14:10:00]	Megalyth	heh
[14:10:07]	dewww	the left side works as intended in cc4
[14:10:14]	Megalyth	it behaves weirdly in gzdoom
[14:10:18]	dewww	at least in doom2/pr+
[14:10:23]	dewww	the right side... adds... drama
[14:10:31]	Megalyth	if you do the w1 crusher first, the switch becomes inoperable
[14:10:32]	dewww	i mean the lava strips
[14:10:44]	dewww	err blood
[14:11:10]	Megalyth	if you do the w1, then the door, you can press the switch, but it just makes the crusher move again, and the switch doesn't actually flip
[14:11:22]	Megalyth	heh weird
[14:11:40]	dewww	all the combinations are quite unpredictable
[14:16:07]	Megalyth	haha
[14:16:21]	Megalyth	for kicks I added a W1 floor raise by 24 to the mix
[14:16:37]	dewww	heh
[14:16:44]	Megalyth	if you wait until the crusher is at floor level to trigger it, the floor only raises to the height of the crusher
[14:17:00]	Megalyth	I was hoping it would crash the game
[14:17:09]	Megalyth	that was in gzdoom, lemme see what choco does
[14:17:14]	dewww	oyeah.. i like how you can raise the door
[14:17:20]	dewww	and when you trigger the WR
[14:17:27]	dewww	it jumps down to the original height instantly
[14:17:33]	dewww	(sometimes)
[14:19:25]	Megalyth	it didn't do that for me
[14:19:40]	Megalyth	it went derpy
[14:19:58]	Megalyth	it still moves like a crusher, but only with a ~16 unit range
[14:20:13]	Megalyth	instead of going all the way up/down
[14:21:01]	dewww	heh
[14:21:19]	Megalyth	haha holy shit
[14:21:26]	Megalyth	light-speed crusher
[14:21:42]	Megalyth	add a W1 door close stay, trigger it, then press the switch
[14:21:47]	Megalyth	hilarious
[14:22:02]	Megalyth	assuming it does the same thing for you
[14:22:31]	dewww	i'm not even sure anymore heh
[14:22:41]	Megalyth	in choco I mean
[14:22:46]	dewww	i got a lot of different outcomes depending on when i pressed it
[14:22:55]	dewww	oh, i played .exe in dosbox
[14:23:03]	dewww	and pr+ with -cl2, not choco
[14:23:05]	Megalyth	it might do the same
[14:23:16]	dewww	you might be getting a third (fourth?) set of behaviour haha
[14:23:51]	Megalyth	if the sector closes like a door all the way to the floor, then you tell it to lower to 8 above the floor, it moves crazy fast
[14:24:02]	Megalyth	quantum crusher
[14:24:15]	dewww	haha
[14:25:22]	Megalyth	usually in vanilla (or choco) if a sector is already active, you can't trigger another action to it
[14:25:58]	Megalyth	which is why the switch does nothing if the crusher is already moving
[14:26:20]	Megalyth	I discovered this, much to my dismay, when I was making my dtwid map
[14:26:33]	dewww	yeah the DR seems to be doing nothing in exe if it's already moving
[14:26:43]	dewww	but the D1 seems to activate
[14:26:58]	Megalyth	I had set up this elaborate scenery-morphing set which was triggered by w1 lines
[14:27:13]	Megalyth	and it didn't work right if the lines were crossed too quickly
[14:27:42]	dewww	ya i can imagine
[14:28:31]	Megalyth	haha I just crashed gzdoom
[14:28:55]	dewww	finally :D
[14:29:05]	dewww	that was the goal all along
[14:29:15]	Megalyth	I was gibbed right out of the game
[14:29:22]	Megalyth	seemingly
[14:34:35]	Megalyth	okay... that was exceptionally weird
[14:35:04]	Megalyth	I added a w1 door open stay and a w1 floor raise to ceiling
[14:35:16]	Megalyth	triggered in that order, and then activated the crusher
[14:36:05]	Megalyth	there's the small gap there, because doors don't open all the way into the ceiling, they stop a few units below
[14:36:30]	Megalyth	so it does the light-speed crusher thing, but it looks like it's just flickering in and out of existence
[14:37:16]	Megalyth	I activated one of the other lines, and the crusher disappeared
[14:37:22]	Megalyth	like completely
[14:37:45]	Megalyth	the silver flat turned into wood, and the crusher couldn't be started again
[14:40:31]	Megalyth	wow
[14:40:38]	Megalyth	this just gets weirder and weirder
[14:43:18]	dewww	haha
[14:43:22]	dewww	still at it?
[14:43:53]	dewww	i wonder if anyone tries to make some sense of it
[14:44:07]	dewww	and perhaps emulate it in pr+/choco/...
[14:44:21]	dewww	cause even vanilla seems to be sadly confused, heh
[14:47:34]	dewww	you seem to have upgraded the test room, can you start a thread in editing or ports?
[14:48:20]	dewww	the port devs should share our fun :)
[14:48:25]	Megalyth	heh
[14:48:39]	Megalyth	some of this only works in (g)zdoom
[14:48:48]	Megalyth	because of the limits on sector activity
[14:49:11]	Megalyth	run this in gzdoom if you have it http://www.mediafire.com/?fr7c18i6zvr7dge
[14:49:23]	Megalyth	press the switches from left to right, starting with the arrow
[14:49:32]	Megalyth	make sure to let each action finish before you hit the next
[14:49:39]	Megalyth	it's pretty weird
[14:49:50]	Megalyth	it doesn't work in choco
[14:50:03]	Megalyth	which is unfortunate, because it could make for an interesting effect
[14:50:11]	Megalyth	if used creatively