[01/30/13 | 23:02] GUYS [01/30/13 | 23:02] and now I need to pay 700$ to fix the bumper -__- [01/30/13 | 23:02] CONSTRUCTIVE CHAT TIME! [01/30/13 | 23:02] ?_? [01/30/13 | 23:02] What do you guys believe the purposes of promotions should be? [01/30/13 | 23:02] I mean, voice does not confer any power to a user, so I see voices as people who have distinguished themselves from the average user for whatever reason. [01/30/13 | 23:02] If we're going to promote people we need to pin this down first [01/30/13 | 23:03] hmm...i remember when I got my bumper fucked up. [01/30/13 | 23:03] * mikel|away is now known as mikel [01/30/13 | 23:03] I see statuses as a measure of contribution. You contribute a decent amount, you get voice. Not much too it. [01/30/13 | 23:03] I was driving one day and this shady guy with a heavy accent drove up to me and told me he "knew a guy" who could fix my car "for cheap"... [01/30/13 | 23:04] Lolcat - is there really a need to voice users just because they distinguish themselves? I'd think that if you were a distinguished chatter you'd make it known via chatting [01/30/13 | 23:04] ^ @ jas [01/30/13 | 23:04] Higher levels are more about discussion leadership, but it is not like you have to be absurdly amazing at everything [01/30/13 | 23:04] Why don't we follow loosely Showdown's structure? [01/30/13 | 23:04] You can make it known via chatting, and voice is just a tangible reward for those who have done so. [01/30/13 | 23:04] So it serves no actual purpose other than as a reward to those who get it? [01/30/13 | 23:05] People who contribute enough get voice (mostly regular stayers who tried, at least, to chat) [01/30/13 | 23:05] Essentially, as what else is voice for? [01/30/13 | 23:05] And a drive to go further, too, pwne. [01/30/13 | 23:05] * Tobes has quit (Ping timeout) [01/30/13 | 23:05] * V4 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [01/30/13 | 23:05] I mean, voice confers no significant powers, so why not just use it as a "badge of respect"? [01/30/13 | 23:05] I was under the impression that it was to point out the distinguished chatters of the channel as models to emulate [01/30/13 | 23:06] abolish voice! [01/30/13 | 23:06] Pwne - maybe that status can be driven up to Hops. [01/30/13 | 23:06] Yes, but there are just as there are multiple levels of quality, there are multiple levels of status [01/30/13 | 23:06] Then i fear that someone being voiced would give the wrong impression [01/30/13 | 23:06] Not really, Pwne. [01/30/13 | 23:06] Basically nobody who isn't a role model to emulate should get any kind of auth [01/30/13 | 23:06] ive never liked voice anywhere because it just makes people feel superior or inferior, which is just bad [01/30/13 | 23:07] That's what i was saying too alty [01/30/13 | 23:07] For an /hour/ yesterday lol [01/30/13 | 23:07] I agree alty, but that's why I think voice should be given sparingly. [01/30/13 | 23:07] I was checking the access list today and I remembered why I stopped caring about auth levels [01/30/13 | 23:07] * smashlloyd20 has quit (Ping timeout) [01/30/13 | 23:07] is doug the "owner" of this channel now or what's going on? [01/30/13 | 23:07] Yeah [01/30/13 | 23:08] He wasn't always the owner? [01/30/13 | 23:08] nope [01/30/13 | 23:08] My agreement with alty is why i think voice needs to be conferred for a purpose other than a reward [01/30/13 | 23:08] Because as a reward it does an awful shitty job [01/30/13 | 23:08] tennisace has always been the owner afaik [01/30/13 | 23:08] tennisace still is [01/30/13 | 23:08] no im saying dont give voice for anything [01/30/13 | 23:08] lol [01/30/13 | 23:08] Neither am i [01/30/13 | 23:09] Right, I understand your position alty. I just draw a different conclusion [01/30/13 | 23:09] But giving voice as a "you're special" badge i don't like because as i said it makes people feel inferior or superior [01/30/13 | 23:09] As you said* [01/30/13 | 23:09] I don't think I'll truly be able to take auth levels seriously until that is addressed [01/30/13 | 23:09] Djd is too lazy to take it over from tennis [01/30/13 | 23:09] lol [01/30/13 | 23:09] It's seriously nbd [01/30/13 | 23:09] Why does it matter? [01/30/13 | 23:09] Its not important honestly [01/30/13 | 23:10] * imanalt|phone has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi) [01/30/13 | 23:10] But back on topic [01/30/13 | 23:10] it is if someone can arbitrarily dick around with a channel he doesn't go to anymore [01/30/13 | 23:10] We boycott #cap until it disintegrates, then DJD re-reg it? [01/30/13 | 23:11] Create a #captemp or something to fill in. [01/30/13 | 23:11] Tennis isnt that kinda guy [01/30/13 | 23:11] lol, I remember Birkal suggesting that once a while ago when the issue first came up [01/30/13 | 23:11] Tennis still goes on smogon? [01/30/13 | 23:11] o_O [01/30/13 | 23:11] yes [01/30/13 | 23:11] he regulars on smogon still [01/30/13 | 23:11] lol [01/30/13 | 23:12] man I never see him lol [01/30/13 | 23:12] yeah, he's really active in NU [01/30/13 | 23:12] He posted like yesterday or today [01/30/13 | 23:12] In a forum [01/30/13 | 23:12] eh forum? [01/30/13 | 23:12] oh [01/30/13 | 23:12] I don't go in eh forum much outside the NFL thread [01/30/13 | 23:12] so that's probably why lol [01/30/13 | 23:12] I dont keep up with the dumb name changes to a forum [01/30/13 | 23:13] But ANYWAY [01/30/13 | 23:13] he "was that kinda guy" once [01/30/13 | 23:13] cape - I think he simply stopped caring. [01/30/13 | 23:13] Since auth as we've established has no real use for discipline or very little [01/30/13 | 23:14] So if it really comes to that, we can just move to another channel. [01/30/13 | 23:14] * Engineer has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [01/30/13 | 23:14] It needs to be assigned for a different purpose [01/30/13 | 23:14] Agreed? [01/30/13 | 23:14] Not really. Its purpose now is fine. [01/30/13 | 23:15] Discipline takes second fiddle to whatever we decide to do with our auth system - i believe that we'll be fine discipline wide either way [01/30/13 | 23:15] Wise [01/30/13 | 23:15] Jas are you advocating not to change our auth system [01/30/13 | 23:15] Besides i don't even know what its purpose now is lol its kinda a mess [01/30/13 | 23:16] can't we just have whoever is the IRC operator choose [01/30/13 | 23:16] lol [01/30/13 | 23:16] I agree that disipline has little to do with it. Obviously if you can't trust someone with op power you don't give it to them, but otherwise it shouldn't matter [01/30/13 | 23:16] Birkal uh [01/30/13 | 23:16] hmm [01/30/13 | 23:16] A) that sounds a lot autocratic [01/30/13 | 23:16] There is nothing wrong with the purpose though. Just the system that decides it [01/30/13 | 23:16] birkal wants IRC operators to have more power [01/30/13 | 23:16] B) how do we decide the irc op [01/30/13 | 23:16] birkal is an IRC operator [01/30/13 | 23:16] TYRANT! AUTOCRAT! OVERTHROW [01/30/13 | 23:16] :P [01/30/13 | 23:16] Powah abooze [01/30/13 | 23:17] viva la revolucion [01/30/13 | 23:17] Jas you still never said what its purpose is [01/30/13 | 23:17] I'm not being an ass here frankly i dont know [01/30/13 | 23:17] What is the purpose of auth atm on #cap [01/30/13 | 23:17] Recognition to people who are good chat presence [01/30/13 | 23:17] I am in a way, lolcat [01/30/13 | 23:17] currently the mods are the IRC operators [01/30/13 | 23:17] that's why status is so wonky [01/30/13 | 23:17] because it's like, we have to confirm all changes with each other [01/30/13 | 23:17] Recognition how jas [01/30/13 | 23:18] As in a reward? [01/30/13 | 23:18] Not reward. [01/30/13 | 23:18] I think what pwnemon is getting at is that "recognition" is an ambiguous term. [01/30/13 | 23:18] Yes [01/30/13 | 23:18] Because what, having ops in an IRC channel is a reward? [01/30/13 | 23:18] recognition means gold stars [01/30/13 | 23:18] everybody loves gold stars [01/30/13 | 23:18] We're saying "recognition" as if it settles it [01/30/13 | 23:18] give out gold stars to everybody [01/30/13 | 23:18] When it still leaves a fuckton of ambiguity [01/30/13 | 23:18] * dodrio (dodrio@Trainer.Of.Birds) has left #cap [01/30/13 | 23:18] I don't think so - recognition is simply "Hey you've been here long enough" [01/30/13 | 23:19] Not a reward at all. It is more of a label, honestly. Its saying "see that person with a % (or @ or whatever)? They are good" [01/30/13 | 23:19] been here long enough /and/ talked a bunch [01/30/13 | 23:19] "recognition" as in that this person is a role model and should be recognized, or "recognition" as in that this person is an experienced member of CAP [01/30/13 | 23:19] "Follow their example" [01/30/13 | 23:19] So you're saying recognition as in showing others who to emulate [01/30/13 | 23:19] pretty much [01/30/13 | 23:19] Good so we're on the same page [01/30/13 | 23:19] My answer to that, DLC is "recognition" as in this person has been around IRC long enough. [01/30/13 | 23:20] So you think we should voice someone just for being experienced zt? [01/30/13 | 23:20] And the other question is: should an experienced but mediocre-quality user be given voice? [01/30/13 | 23:20] I don't see why not, Pwne - since voice and below still have to look up to drivers/mods/hops and above. [01/30/13 | 23:20] Same to DLC. [01/30/13 | 23:20] But it's not about that, zt [01/30/13 | 23:21] It's all about what the lower auth levels have to look up to [01/30/13 | 23:21] Exactly, that is what a multitiered system is about. It is not "good users" and "bad users" [01/30/13 | 23:21] If we voice a mediocre user, it sets a bad role model for non-voiced users [01/30/13 | 23:21] When people see voice, they go "Oh this guys has been around long enough, if I'm not voiced, maybe I should listen for a while to how he talks the talk" [01/30/13 | 23:21] But being around for long doesn't make you a good user [01/30/13 | 23:21] However, regular users will probably look up to voiced users more than any other group, because any regular user who wants to move up will shoot for voice. [01/30/13 | 23:21] Voice is not the be all and end all of good chat [01/30/13 | 23:21] .-. [01/30/13 | 23:21] And users learn fast who is a better role model, even amongst voice. [01/30/13 | 23:22] But if we're voicing users to prove who is a role model [01/30/13 | 23:22] but should bad or average role models be given voice in the first place? [01/30/13 | 23:22] Then saying "you'll learn who's a role model among the voice" [01/30/13 | 23:22] Kinda defeats the point of voicing [01/30/13 | 23:22] Why not cut the ambiguity and only voice the role models? [01/30/13 | 23:22] Pwne - "better role model" [01/30/13 | 23:22] I agree with dlc [01/30/13 | 23:23] I don't think voicing is graduating fourth grade [01/30/13 | 23:23] Where when you hang around long enough they hand it to you [01/30/13 | 23:23] Neither do I. [01/30/13 | 23:23] Voicing would be more like acing fourth grade. [01/30/13 | 23:23] ? Zt i am confused as hell [01/30/13 | 23:23] Where you have to hang out and be good enough before you get it. [01/30/13 | 23:24] Not the best, but at least good enough. [01/30/13 | 23:24] I don't think time in the channel [01/30/13 | 23:24] Should have anything to do with it [01/30/13 | 23:24] For voice at least, higher auth yes [01/30/13 | 23:24] and then we move to the "what is good enough" [01/30/13 | 23:24] Yeah [01/30/13 | 23:24] are average users with lots of experience considered good role models for their dedication? [01/30/13 | 23:24] a) Able to throw out sound ideas. Agreed? [01/30/13 | 23:24] I don't think anyone who's got argumentative (in a bad way) tendencies should be voiced [01/30/13 | 23:24] yeah [01/30/13 | 23:25] too riksy a move [01/30/13 | 23:25] Quality should be stressed over quantity, but there's something to be said for voluble posters [01/30/13 | 23:25] * smashlloyd20 (~smashlloy@synIRC-3B1A2D41.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #cap [01/30/13 | 23:25] err, chatters! [01/30/13 | 23:25] Exactly [01/30/13 | 23:25] You can't get voice by piping up once in a blue moon, either [01/30/13 | 23:25] A voice should, at least, be able to say "Wonder Guard is bad optics" without needing to read PRC. [01/30/13 | 23:26] (of course this is a mere illustrated example) [01/30/13 | 23:26] That's like easier than shitting in a toilet, zt [01/30/13 | 23:26] Of course - all it takes is common sense, right? [01/30/13 | 23:26] what if these "once in a blue moon" chatters contribute great material to the chat? [01/30/13 | 23:26] I believe you are setting the bar a bit too low for voice [01/30/13 | 23:26] They're still not active enough to be a role model [01/30/13 | 23:26] Perhaps, Pwne - raise the bar if you will? [01/30/13 | 23:27] We can always haggle/bargain/consent. [01/30/13 | 23:27] :P [01/30/13 | 23:27] Basically we've all been in that chat where someone has auth and you go "why the fuck do they have auth they don't even talk" [01/30/13 | 23:27] Even if their occasional contributions are stellar they don't deserve auth [01/30/13 | 23:28] So first off - we need chat presence and common sense. We can all agree to that as a minimum requirement, no? [01/30/13 | 23:28] Because they rarely demonstrate why they have it [01/30/13 | 23:28] Yeah i agree zt [01/30/13 | 23:28] And you need to be a unifying rather than attacking and dividing presence in the chat [01/30/13 | 23:28] Even if those users are fun, they're terrible role models [01/30/13 | 23:28] Then moving up, what addendum to the minimum should be to get voice. [01/30/13 | 23:28] ?? [01/30/13 | 23:28] I think everyone should believe in themselves [01/30/13 | 23:28] :< [01/30/13 | 23:29] One thing i don't want - And i wish i'd used different language in my post [01/30/13 | 23:29] you can edit the post... [01/30/13 | 23:30] Is for someone to think a voiced user is a better contributor than themselves [01/30/13 | 23:30] * HD has quit (Quit: ) [01/30/13 | 23:30] then what should a newbie or regular user think of a voiced user? [01/30/13 | 23:30] Pwne - what about drivers/mods/higher? [01/30/13 | 23:30] The only thing that separates voice from a good non-voice is the demeanor - voiced people are helpful and kind where non-voiced ones might be a riproarin asshole [01/30/13 | 23:31] ... You got me there Pwne. Keep going? [01/30/13 | 23:31] I agree pwnemon, but I think that is better achieved by voicing MORE rather than less [01/30/13 | 23:31] You can be a great contributor to chat, and have great ideas [01/30/13 | 23:31] Think dusk [01/30/13 | 23:31] Think srk [01/30/13 | 23:31] don't believe in yourself [01/30/13 | 23:31] man I never see srk anymore :( [01/30/13 | 23:31] believe in me [01/30/13 | 23:31] because I believe in you [01/30/13 | 23:31] believe in Big Brother [01/30/13 | 23:31] God of Vestfurs.. [01/30/13 | 23:32] But if you have a tendency to be a douchebag, you're not setting a good model for new users to emulate [01/30/13 | 23:32] Big Brother will do the believing [01/30/13 | 23:32] Okay. [01/30/13 | 23:32] Nah cape, don't believe in yourself, and don't believe in the cape that believes in you. Believe in the you that believes in yourself. [01/30/13 | 23:32] And even though you may be a better contributor than some voiced users, you don't get voice because you are a dick [01/30/13 | 23:32] And that's ok [01/30/13 | 23:32] So voiced users should be... helpful and moderate in demeanor. Accurate enough summary? [01/30/13 | 23:32] lol [01/30/13 | 23:32] Yes [01/30/13 | 23:32] * Birkal has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [01/30/13 | 23:33] And active [01/30/13 | 23:33] That's what separates voice from regular contributors. [01/30/13 | 23:33] Yep [01/30/13 | 23:33] Okay, I'm convinced. [01/30/13 | 23:33] okay birkal [01/30/13 | 23:33] Moving on up - Hops. [01/30/13 | 23:33] we're at a consensus. [01/30/13 | 23:33] close the PR, please! [01/30/13 | 23:33] Lol [01/30/13 | 23:33] DLC - I ain't done yet. [01/30/13 | 23:33] o_O [01/30/13 | 23:33] What pushes a voice up to Hops? [01/30/13 | 23:34] * Birkal (Mibbit@synIRC-BF8FDD0E.luther.edu) has joined #cap [01/30/13 | 23:34] Hop is a voice who does have the good ideas [01/30/13 | 23:34] Hops are a position of authority rather than respect, so some leadership quality needs to be in there. [01/30/13 | 23:34] Who is intelligent in debates [01/30/13 | 23:34] Who contributes to CAP well [01/30/13 | 23:35] And who's the role model we want from voice [01/30/13 | 23:35] I would relate hops to project mods on the forums [01/30/13 | 23:35] Backtrack a bit, Pwne - you're saying a voice does not necessarily needs "good ideas"? [01/30/13 | 23:35] Voice is what you get for social chatter [01/30/13 | 23:35] Ah I see. [01/30/13 | 23:36] pwnemon, I fail to see the difference between your definition of voice and of hops [01/30/13 | 23:36] You don't necessarily need to be good with the actual hard-core capping [01/30/13 | 23:36] For example yilx [01/30/13 | 23:36] Hops is what you get from good competitive discussion in the chat. [01/30/13 | 23:36] He's a great guy and a good role model [01/30/13 | 23:36] But he never participates in these kind of debates [01/30/13 | 23:36] Vary riksy to him. [01/30/13 | 23:36] Hops should also have to be trusted with authority [01/30/13 | 23:36] * capefeather has quit (Quit: while I'm ahead) [01/30/13 | 23:36] what about aops [01/30/13 | 23:36] Hops you need to actually contribute to this shit [01/30/13 | 23:37] I don't think you necessarily need to be involved with competitive stuff, but just with the project itself [01/30/13 | 23:37] we'll probably get to aops once we're done definiing hops [01/30/13 | 23:37] I disagree with that. [01/30/13 | 23:37] To be able to lead the discussions, at least partially. That's hops, agreed? [01/30/13 | 23:37] If you mean [01/30/13 | 23:37] Current prc and cap debates [01/30/13 | 23:37] * Mdevil has quit (Ping timeout) [01/30/13 | 23:37] Then that's what i meant [01/30/13 | 23:37] Hops should have to be knowledgable of every facet of the CAP project in my opinion, as they are responsible in part for moderating the chat [01/30/13 | 23:37] Just knowing cap history is a vops thing [01/30/13 | 23:38] * Deck_Knight (~Deck_Knig@synIRC-CD6DC0CA.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #cap [01/30/13 | 23:38] * ChanServ sets mode +a #cap Deck_Knight [01/30/13 | 23:38] * ChanServ gives channel operator status to Deck_Knight [01/30/13 | 23:38] ^ @ DLC, except that it might not need be in-depth. [01/30/13 | 23:38] * DTC has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [01/30/13 | 23:38] I mean, it should be about what goes on here. If someone is great in a ton of common discussions but is not the best competitive contributor, I have no problem. We need to remember this is about their chat ability. [01/30/13 | 23:38] Meganium Sulphate has never taken a marketing class, ever :( [01/30/13 | 23:38] Basically while voice may set the standard for how to conduct yourself in social chatter, hops is the standard for CAP discussions [01/30/13 | 23:39] that a familar sounding name [01/30/13 | 23:39] Right, I don't mean that this person needs to have every nuance and quirk of the CAP project stored neatly in their memory banks, but they should have *significant* knowledge of every part of CAP [01/30/13 | 23:39] has in [01/30/13 | 23:39] For example, you can't possibly have to remember BSR off-hand just to get Hops, but you do need to be able to explain and pull up a link, right DLC? [01/30/13 | 23:39] i remember bad things from that name [01/30/13 | 23:39] lol [01/30/13 | 23:39] I think Pwne can agree to that too, right? [01/30/13 | 23:39] ...that's what i thought vops were [01/30/13 | 23:39] yeah DK MeSO4 doesn't have the best app... [01/30/13 | 23:39] the only person I expect to know BSR on command [01/30/13 | 23:39] is DjD [01/30/13 | 23:40] It is amusing though you gotta admir [01/30/13 | 23:40] T [01/30/13 | 23:40] I agree Zt [01/30/13 | 23:40] i remember someone tryed to summit a literal flaming poo for B/W cap 3 [01/30/13 | 23:40] for art [01/30/13 | 23:40] Honestly, I suggest very high standards for hops in #cap [01/30/13 | 23:40] I remember that [01/30/13 | 23:40] Okay, Pwne - why do you think that requirement is a must for even vops? [01/30/13 | 23:40] I think that's what vops are zt [01/30/13 | 23:40] Because if you can't pull up a link i can't imagine you being too helpful [01/30/13 | 23:41] * DTC (Mibbit@synIRC-E3EC5381.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #cap [01/30/13 | 23:41] Basicially what I am saying is that there are definitely people (artists for example) who I think are excellent examples of what chat here should be and I wouldn't mind seeing as HOps who are not that fluent in all the competitive stuff. Understand it sure, but I don't think we should require much more [01/30/13 | 23:41] being able to recognize past links and citing them is a pretty advanced skill for IRC [01/30/13 | 23:41] ^ [01/30/13 | 23:41] Hops i think should be as or almost as competent as vops in social chatter [01/30/13 | 23:41] There are some links, after all, that are obscure enough to search - take the Defensive Typing thread, for example. [01/30/13 | 23:41] But also have the ability to hold their own in more serious discussion [01/30/13 | 23:42] i still think toxican should have been mollluks [01/30/13 | 23:42] I mean, with the speed that some #cap discussions go, if you can think of a germane link, find it, and bring it into the chat, you really know your shit lol [01/30/13 | 23:42] To be able to hold their own, Pwne - I think it comes from knowing enough about the whole CAP process. [01/30/13 | 23:42] Hops should be able to do much more than hold their own in discussions IMO [01/30/13 | 23:42] Do you think my definition of hop should be bumped up to aop? [01/30/13 | 23:43] Pwne - maybe. [01/30/13 | 23:43] Hops should also be able to correct and, if necessary, punish the behavior of users. [01/30/13 | 23:43] Detroitlolcat i mean people who could engage in this policy debate, or a debate about stat spreads, or just social chatter [01/30/13 | 23:43] I think you are all [01/30/13 | 23:43] nuts [01/30/13 | 23:43] lol [01/30/13 | 23:43] * ChanServ sets mode +a #cap Birkal [01/30/13 | 23:43] * ChanServ gives channel operator status to Birkal [01/30/13 | 23:43] And are useful in chat [01/30/13 | 23:43] i think we should introduce a new kind of op [01/30/13 | 23:43] "rops" [01/30/13 | 23:43] But maybe that should be aops [01/30/13 | 23:43] Birkal - yeah, we take this too seriously. [01/30/13 | 23:43] which stands for "riksy operators" [01/30/13 | 23:43] Real Operators [01/30/13 | 23:43] oh risky [01/30/13 | 23:43] lol [01/30/13 | 23:43] y/y [01/30/13 | 23:43] "flops"- bad users [01/30/13 | 23:43] Okay, get back on topic lol [01/30/13 | 23:44] While I hate naming names, I think a good example of what I was trying to say before would be paintseagull. Competitive stuff may not be her forte, but she understands it well enough to be part of discussions, and is generally a great chat presence. [01/30/13 | 23:44] I am more of a mop than a sop [01/30/13 | 23:44] Someone give me a flops badge [01/30/13 | 23:44] "mops" [01/30/13 | 23:44] the users that have to clean up the messes [01/30/13 | 23:44] I clean up after Deck Knight makes messes ;__; [01/30/13 | 23:44] lol [01/30/13 | 23:44] ;) [01/30/13 | 23:44] ^_^ [01/30/13 | 23:44] ;) [01/30/13 | 23:44] oh he's not responding [01/30/13 | 23:44] I still would say that that's exactly what we were saying about voice [01/30/13 | 23:44] that's no fun :( [01/30/13 | 23:44] Pfft. The only thing I've ever made messes of are things that deserved it. [01/30/13 | 23:44] Maybe just very distinguished voices are hops? [01/30/13 | 23:44] hahaha [01/30/13 | 23:44] Example: tennisace's power trip [01/30/13 | 23:44] that is true [01/30/13 | 23:44] heh [01/30/13 | 23:45] I like to think that some CAP members have anti-thesis members [01/30/13 | 23:45] Not just that, Pwne - the voices must prove that they can recognize and correct improper behaviour in the chat, too. [01/30/13 | 23:45] and I always think of deck and tennis as that [01/30/13 | 23:45] Example: Pretty much every pushback I've ever done on policy threads. [01/30/13 | 23:45] hmm [01/30/13 | 23:45] And are able to stand up to it, even against the likes of Birkal. [01/30/13 | 23:45] I'm not sure about that zt [01/30/13 | 23:45] Zt are you talking about vops or hops [01/30/13 | 23:45] Though I probably shouldn't have encouraged EVO so much [01/30/13 | 23:45] I think that's more of what hops should have to do [01/30/13 | 23:45] Hops requirement. [01/30/13 | 23:45] we could have "drops" for r_d and bmb and such :( [01/30/13 | 23:45] Yeah ok then [01/30/13 | 23:46] okay yeah [01/30/13 | 23:46] :< [01/30/13 | 23:46] But that was before Birkal's time and a priori he cannot claim to have fixed it. [01/30/13 | 23:46] * Timeblaze (Mibbit@synIRC-73DE5248.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has left #cap [01/30/13 | 23:46] I read about it [01/30/13 | 23:46] ;__; [01/30/13 | 23:46] I was BASICALLY there [01/30/13 | 23:46] Ok I do have to make one comment about this whole #cap status stuff [01/30/13 | 23:46] The Dusk thing got out of hand, but that was a massive downward spirial and invariably I ended up breaking it. [01/30/13 | 23:46] heh yilx [01/30/13 | 23:46] that was funny! [01/30/13 | 23:46] if any form of this allows for "the mollux night" to not occur [01/30/13 | 23:46] then we have screwed up [01/30/13 | 23:46] "the mollux night"? [01/30/13 | 23:47] Mollux night? [01/30/13 | 23:47] is that Drought War 2012? [01/30/13 | 23:47] Hops need to show that they understand what is acceptable and not in chat and can correct the mistakes; hops need to have a good all-around knowledge of the history and present of cap, hops have to be a unifying presence in chat as opposed to a divisive one [01/30/13 | 23:47] ANTIGRAVITY BOOBS [01/30/13 | 23:47] pwnemon knows what I am talking about [01/30/13 | 23:47] lol [01/30/13 | 23:47] yep [01/30/13 | 23:47] lol [01/30/13 | 23:47] So chat presence and common sense = vops, behaviour upholder + process knowledge = hops. [01/30/13 | 23:47] yep [01/30/13 | 23:47] Everyone like those? [01/30/13 | 23:47] aops must then have a VERY GOOD SENSE of humour. [01/30/13 | 23:47] * smashlloyd20 has quit (Quit: OUT) [01/30/13 | 23:47] Also I do not know why Birkal was razzing me. [01/30/13 | 23:47] so should hops, for that matter. [01/30/13 | 23:48] EXCEPT THAT HE IS DRUNK WITH POWER! [01/30/13 | 23:48] In order to reapply antigravity mammaries. [01/30/13 | 23:48] YAHARR [01/30/13 | 23:48] MUTINY [01/30/13 | 23:48] IT SEEMS [01/30/13 | 23:48] Hops need to be able to determine whether or not comments are made in jest or actual punishable offenses [01/30/13 | 23:48] Aops would be people who can do all that hops can and are also actively engaged in the CAP process [01/30/13 | 23:48] I like female human mammaries that gravitate into the possession of my hands and/or mouth. [01/30/13 | 23:48] That is all. [01/30/13 | 23:48] Yeah thats a good point dlc [01/30/13 | 23:48] lol [01/30/13 | 23:48] CAP5 will be a bird-mon or otherwise I am banning everyone from this chat [01/30/13 | 23:48] :| [01/30/13 | 23:48] shit [01/30/13 | 23:48] Agreeing with Pwne and DLC there. [01/30/13 | 23:48] sure [01/30/13 | 23:48] we better do what this guy says [01/30/13 | 23:48] Wyverii already has art for that Birkal [01/30/13 | 23:49] caw [01/30/13 | 23:49] Concept: burd [01/30/13 | 23:49] i'll make it flying 121 speed with 125 special attack [01/30/13 | 23:49] Justification: i like birds [01/30/13 | 23:49] hahaha deck I love you [01/30/13 | 23:49] 22:48 Deck_Knight EXCEPT THAT HE IS DRUNK WITH POWER! [01/30/13 | 23:49] and then when I'm drunk with power your response is [01/30/13 | 23:49] and regen [01/30/13 | 23:49] "wyverii has art for that" [01/30/13 | 23:49] lol [01/30/13 | 23:49] Lol [01/30/13 | 23:49] is kadew on? [01/30/13 | 23:49] yes [01/30/13 | 23:49] Though I rather think Hops must still speak out against all form of inappropriate behaviour, be it in jest or in plain stupidity. [01/30/13 | 23:49]