[21:00] <@blarajan> my personal opinion for this lecture
[21:00] <%Danilo> life orb mienfoo
[21:00] <@blarajan> is we go
[21:00] <@blarajan> really offensive
[21:00] <@iss> i swear it works, it gets sucker punch
[21:00] <@blarajan> thoughts?
[21:00] <%Danilo> i hear that's good
[21:00] <@iss> sure
[21:00] <uxsee> what is a team around riolu
[21:00] <%Raseri> physical chinchou
[21:00] <%Raseri> !
[21:00] <%Raseri> idk i hate pokemon
[21:00] <@blarajan> i think this one should be a super offensive team
[21:01] <@iss> raseri i'll pastebin my team
[21:01] <Borogoves> ok then let's do
[21:01] <Borogoves> lo scraggy
[21:01] <@blarajan> cause offense is kind of difficult in lc to do well
[21:01] <%Danilo> mold breaker drilbur then
[21:01] <uxsee> gogogo stall :D
[21:01] <%Danilo> a must
[21:01] <@blarajan> there are a variety of offensive threats that are fun to build around
[21:01] <@blarajan> okay
[21:01] <@blarajan> 1) life orb scraggy
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[21:01] <@blarajan> 2) life orb mienfoo
[21:01] <@blarajan> 3) life orb staryu
[21:01] <@blarajan> 4) agility chinchou
[21:01] <@iss> i vote 4
[21:01] <@blarajan> one of these 
[21:01] <@iss> b/c chinchou
[21:01] <@blarajan> well your vote doesn't count
[21:01] <uxsee> 2
[21:01] <uxsee> :D
[21:01] <@iss> hmmm
[21:01] <@blarajan> i'm really really thinking either lo mienfoo or lo staryu
[21:01] <@blarajan> are what we should build around for today
[21:01] <uxsee> sounds fun and hipster
[21:01] <@prem> lo staryu
[21:01] <@blarajan> both are really fun mons for the meta
[21:02] <McMeghan> I Propose Wynaut + SetuP !
[21:02] <@prem> lo mienfoo is too simple
[21:02] <%Raseri> 1
[21:02] <@blarajan> i vote lo staryu
[21:02] <@iss> wynaut is sort of bad now :(
[21:02] <@iss> memento diglett is better for setup imo
[21:02] <uxsee> :(
[21:02] <@blarajan> 2 votes for staryu, one for chinchou, one for scraggy
[21:02] <@blarajan> and one for mienfoo
[21:02] <@blarajan> thus far
[21:02] <@prem> any deck running staryu should run scraggy anyway
[21:02] <@prem> :D
[21:02] <@blarajan> wait while we're here
[21:02] <@blarajan> WHO'S ACTUALLY HERE FOR THIS?
[21:02] <@blarajan> say aye
[21:02] <uxsee> changes vote to scraggy
[21:02] <Borogoves> aye
[21:02] <@prem> IM LEAVING FOR AN HOUR
[21:02] <@blarajan> aye
[21:02] <@prem> AT LEAST
[21:02] <@blarajan> okay leave then
[21:02] <uxsee> ayer
[21:02] <@blarajan> who's going to be here for this whole thing?
[21:03] <@prem> lol
[21:03] <@blarajan> me, uxsee, borogroves
[21:03] <uxsee> maybe me
[21:03] <%Raseri> n
[21:03] <uxsee> depends on if i die or not
[21:03] <%Raseri> fuck pokemon
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[21:03] <@blarajan> raseri? danilo? ebeast? mcmeghan? hawkstar? dracoyoshi8? breh?
[21:03] <breh> euuurgh
[21:03] <%Raseri> ill watch
[21:03] <breh> that red
[21:03] <%Raseri> and talk sometimes
[21:03] <@blarajan> yeah watching is fine
[21:03] <+Hawkstar> I'm oososososososososing
[21:03] <uxsee> might go afk a little bit
[21:03] <@blarajan> i just want to know if you'll be hereish
[21:03] <breh> it looks awful on mibbit x_x
[21:03] <%Danilo> what am i voting on
[21:03] <@blarajan> snowflakes?
[21:03] <McMeghan> i'll watch because i'm useless at talking
[21:03] <ebeast> yeah I'ma go with Raseri's pan
[21:03] <@blarajan> 1) lo scraggy 2) lo mienfoo 3) lo staryu 4) agility chinchou
[21:03] <%Danilo> im kind of here
[21:03] <@blarajan> agility chinchou is kind of really bad
[21:04] <@blarajan> for this meta
[21:04] <ebeast> I might get into this fully if NU showdowns ends fast enough
[21:04] <@blarajan> so i would really really really recommend
[21:04] <%Danilo> im with lo mienfoo
[21:04] <@blarajan> not going for that
[21:04] <McMeghan> 0
[21:04] <McMeghan> 2
[21:04] <@blarajan> okay actually
[21:04] <McMeghan> My vote goes for Mienfoo
[21:04] <viamage> teambuil going on yet?
[21:04] <@blarajan> just say the poke
[21:04] <@blarajan> okay
[21:04] <@blarajan> life orb mienfoo?
[21:04] <@iss> lo staryu
[21:04] <@blarajan> or staryu?
[21:04] <Snowflakes> yeah blara
[21:04] <@blarajan> i'm limiting it to these two
[21:04] <uxsee> mienfoo strong
[21:04] <@iss> staryu op
[21:04] <ebeast> Staryu go
[21:04] <@blarajan> because chinchou fucking sucks and scraggy can easily be added
[21:04] <Borogoves> ok then I'll say staryu
[21:04] <uxsee> ***mienfoo***
[21:04] <viamage> staryu
[21:05] <Snowflakes> rajan yuflash
[21:05] <@blarajan> staryu for me too
[21:05] <@blarajan> yeah you going to join this thing flakes?
[21:05] <viamage> get that spin support :P
[21:05] <@blarajan> actually the staryu i'm imagining doesn't have spin (gasp!!!)
[21:05] <Snowflakes> i'll contribute what i can
[21:05] <@prem> LO STARYU
[21:05] <@prem> RUNS
[21:05] <viamage> :O really?
[21:05] <Snowflakes> it uses blizzard doesn't it
[21:05] <@prem> PSYCHIC HP GRASS BLIZZARD HYDRO PUMP
[21:05] <viamage> ^
[21:05] <@blarajan> .......
[21:05] <@blarajan> no
[21:05] <Borogoves> ^
[21:05] <@blarajan> what
[21:05] <@prem> it should
[21:05] <@blarajan> no
[21:05] <@prem> lol
[21:05] <uxsee> ok then snover
[21:05] <Borogoves> yes
[21:05] <@blarajan> what
[21:05] <viamage> ok makes sense prem
[21:05] <@blarajan> no
[21:05] <uxsee> :D
[21:05] <@prem> what else are you gonna run
[21:05] <@prem> lol
[21:06] <viamage> ice beam and tbolt?
[21:06] <Snowflakes> blizzard>ice beam
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[21:06] <Snowflakes> hp grass for tirt
[21:06] <viamage> agreed snow
[21:06] <@blarajan> i just meant
[21:06] <@blarajan> ice beam > blizzard
[21:06] <@blarajan> lol
[21:06] <@blarajan> i'm okay with that four attack thing
[21:06] <@blarajan> unless we use snover
[21:06] <@prem> well obviously
[21:06] <@blarajan> later or something
[21:06] <@prem> but ice beam cant 2hko lileep
[21:06] <uxsee> or recover
[21:06] <@blarajan> hydro pump / ice beam / hp grass / psychic
[21:06] <@prem> so i assume snover is needed
[21:06] <@blarajan> or hydro pump / ice beam / hp grass / recover
[21:06] <@blarajan> ?
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[21:07] <@prem> no recover is useless
[21:07] <@blarajan> are we okay with lo staryu?
[21:07] <@prem> you dont have turns
[21:07] <Snowflakes> psychic
[21:07] <viamage> yes
[21:07] <@blarajan> okay truesies
[21:07] <@blarajan> aight
[21:07] <@blarajan> lo four attack staryu doing it for us here?
[21:07] <viamage> is that the first poke
[21:07] <uxsee> just an option, jeez
[21:07] <@iss> hydro pump / tbolt / hp grass / psychic
[21:07] <@iss> imo
[21:07] <@blarajan> yes
[21:07] <@blarajan> need ice beam to even touch lileep
[21:07] <@iss> screw lileep
[21:07] <@blarajan> hp grass hits waters as hard as tbolt p much
[21:07] <@iss> we have 5 other mons
[21:07] <@blarajan> why tbolt?
[21:07] <@prem> hp grass hits chinchou
[21:07] <@prem> tbolt is worthess
[21:07] <uxsee> thats what i was wondering
[21:07] <@iss> to hit idk
[21:08] <@blarajan> OKAY SO WE'LL USE LIFE ORB STARYU
[21:08] <@blarajan> WITH HYDRO PUMP HP GRASS ICE BEAM PSYCHIC
[21:08] <uxsee> XD
[21:08] <@blarajan> IS THIS OKAY?
[21:08] <@blarajan> ANY ONE REALLY OBJECT?
[21:08] <@iss> i guess it hits like
[21:08] <@iss> delibird
[21:08] <@prem> lol
[21:08] <Snowflakes> lol
[21:08] <uxsee> caps, ban blajaran
[21:08] <@blarajan> k
[21:08] <uxsee> :D
[21:08] <@blarajan> is this fine plz say yes guys
[21:08] * iss sets mode: +b blaranoob!*@*
[21:08] <@iss> ya sure
[21:08] * prem sets mode: -b blaranoob!*@*
[21:08] <uxsee> lol
[21:08] <@prem> ITS OBVIOUSLY FINE
[21:08] <@prem> DUMBASS
[21:08] <@blarajan> okay
[21:08] <@blarajan> fuck it
[21:08] <Snowflakes> nobody said NO
[21:08] <@blarajan> nobody said no
[21:08] <@blarajan> we're doing it
[21:08] <uxsee> ban prem too
[21:08] <@iss> lol
[21:08] <viamage> who's building the team?
[21:08] <uxsee> ban everyone
[21:08] <@blarajan> i got you nigs
[21:08] <Snowflakes> we all are
[21:08] <@iss> everyone via
[21:09] <@prem> lol
[21:09] <@iss> vishnomage
[21:09] <@iss> :D
[21:09] <@iss> okay anyways
[21:09] <viamage> :P
[21:09] <@iss> what set
[21:09] <@iss> we need hpump obviously
[21:09] <@iss> and hp grass is cool too
[21:09] <@iss> can someone calc hp grass against standard offensive chinchou with eviolite
[21:09] <@iss> (even though that set sucks a lot now)
[21:09] <@blarajan> hydro pump / hp grass / ice team / psychic
[21:10] <@blarajan> 252 SpAtk Life Orb Staryu Hidden Power Grass vs 252 HP/0 SpDef Eviolite Chinchou: 44.44% - 51.85% (2-3 hits to KO)
[21:10] <@blarajan> idk what it runs
[21:10] <@blarajan> i just maxed hp
[21:10] <ebeast> 196SpAtk Life Orb Analytic lvl 5 Staryu (Neutral) Hidden Power (Grass) vs 0HP/0SpDef Eviolite Volt Absorb lvl 5 Chinchou (Neutral): 58% - 
83% (14 - 20 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO
[21:10] <ebeast> iirc it uses only 52 in Def
[21:10] <@blarajan> 252 SpAtk Life Orb Staryu Ice Beam vs 252 HP/252 SpDef Eviolite Lileep (+SpDef) : 46.15% - 53.85% (2-3 hits to KO)
[21:10] <@blarajan> staryu is strong as fuck guys
[21:11] <@blarajan> and the cool thing is
[21:11] <@prem> yes
[21:11] <@blarajan> it has 19 hp
[21:11] <@prem> only with a life orb
[21:11] <@blarajan> so it's only one point hp a turn
[21:11] <Borogoves> yup
[21:11] <@blarajan> now what do we think staryu has issues with?
[21:11] <@blarajan> breaking through or getting outrun
[21:11] <@blarajan> thoughts?
[21:11] <@iss> ferroseed
[21:11] <@blarajan> for sure ferroseed
[21:11] <@blarajan> anything else?
[21:11] <@iss> specially defensive restalk chinchou
[21:11] <@blarajan> ok
[21:11] <@blarajan> ferroseed / rest talk chinchou
[21:11] <@blarajan> i'd like to say murkrow
[21:11] <@iss> choice scarf pkmn
[21:11] <@blarajan> since this is four attacks
[21:12] <@blarajan> ferroseed / rest talk chinchou / murkrow / scarfers
[21:12] <@blarajan> i'll add misdreavus in there for fast mons, though lo hydro does a fucking ton
[21:12] <Snowflakes> drilburr
[21:12] <Snowflakes> or do we include that
[21:12] <@blarajan> yeah
[21:12] <@blarajan> i'll add it
[21:12] <Snowflakes> in scarfers
[21:12] <@blarajan> it ohkoes
[21:12] <@iss> there are only two rs in drilbur
[21:12] <@iss> (stupid danilo)
[21:12] <@blarajan> ferroseed / rest talk chinchou / murkrow / misdreavus / drilbur / scarfers
[21:12] <@blarajan> diglett / elekid as well
[21:12] <uxsee> cuz ninjas~
[21:13] <@iss> other staryu
[21:13] <@blarajan> any other dieas, breh, uxsee, etc?
[21:13] <@iss> that can predict and win speed ties
[21:13] <uxsee> umm not really
[21:13] <@blarajan> ferroseed / reset talk chinchou / murkrow / misdreavus / drilbur / elekid / diglett / staryu / scarfers
[21:13] <@prem> you know whats gay
[21:13] <@iss> every 19+ speeder and scarfers
[21:13] <viamage> i think we got them all and then some
[21:13] <@prem> scraggy
[21:13] <@prem> !
[21:13] <@prem> not mienfoo
[21:13] <@iss> you know whos gay
[21:13] <@prem> but scraggy
[21:13] <%Danilo> iss i fixxed it t-t
[21:13] <@iss> definitely not prem
[21:13] <@prem> i know
[21:13] <@prem> right
[21:13] <@prem> okay im leaving
[21:13] <@blarajan> ferroseed / rest talk chinchou / 
[21:13] <@blarajan> oops
[21:13] <@prem> ill be back in an hour or 2
[21:14] <Snowflakes> ok
[21:14] <@blarajan> 252 SpAtk Life Orb Staryu Hydro Pump vs 0 HP/36 SpDef Eviolite Scraggy: 61.9% - 76.19% (2 hits to KO)
[21:14] <ebeast> iirc Houndour LO Sucker Punch OHKOes
[21:14] <@blarajan> this shit is strong okay
[21:14] <@blarajan> okay
[21:14] <@blarajan> we have a bunch of checks now
[21:14] <@iss> physical lo chinchou
[21:14] <@blarajan> ferroseed / rest talk chinchou / murkrow / misdreavus / drilbur / elekid / diglett / staryu / houndour / scarfers
[21:14] <@iss> i bet sucker punch koes if you bp it a swords dance
[21:14] <breh> so wait
[21:14] <breh> what is the current team?
[21:14] <uxsee> would stunky count
[21:14] <@blarajan> just life orb staryu
[21:14] <viamage> staryu
[21:14] <@blarajan> fuck stunky
[21:14] <Borogoves> just lo staryu
[21:14] <uxsee> stunky strong
[21:14] <uxsee> :D
[21:14] <@iss> life orb staryu / / / / / /
[21:15] <@blarajan> now we see a lot of those problems right now
[21:15] <uxsee> what is the teamstyle
[21:15] <@iss> also blarajan
[21:15] <@blarajan> super offense
[21:15] <@blarajan> we're making this offensive as shit
[21:15] <uxsee> okay
[21:15] <@iss> lo staryu is really prediction dependant
[21:15] <Snowflakes> bronzor
[21:15] <viamage> ho :O
[21:15] <@blarajan> because offense teams are really hard to build
[21:15] <@blarajan> in lc
[21:15] <@blarajan> so it's perfect to go through how to do it
[21:15] <@iss> so -all things that can live attack + not the best attack-
[21:15] <breh> blara
[21:15] <breh> don't you just use like
[21:15] <breh> hippo/drilbur/etc.
[21:15] <@iss> no
[21:15] <@blarajan> that's balanced really
[21:15] <@iss> because that's sand
[21:15] <Snowflakes> blarasand
[21:15] <@blarajan> sand is pretty balanced
[21:16] <@blarajan> i'm talking like pure unadulterated little cup hyper offense
[21:16] <@iss> sand is balance 
[21:16] <@iss> it's drilbur + support bulky mons
[21:16] <uxsee> okay then scraggy
[21:16] <uxsee> ofc
[21:16] <@iss> maybe
[21:16] <Snowflakes> do we bother with screens?
[21:16] <@iss> no
[21:16] <Snowflakes> k
[21:16] <@blarajan> we could try screens offense
[21:16] <uxsee> scraggy strong and beats ferroseed
[21:16] <@blarajan> why just no, iss?
[21:16] <@iss> you don't screen in lc ho
[21:16] <@blarajan> you can
[21:16] <@iss> there's no time to put up screens
[21:16] <@iss> because
[21:16] <@blarajan> bs this meta is slow as balls
[21:16] <@iss> bronzor is really big setup bait
[21:16] <viamage> magne for steel trapping :D
[21:16] <@iss> if you get set up on as ho
[21:16] <uxsee> cottonee for reflect
[21:16] <@blarajan> nigga i'm talking abra screens
[21:16] <@iss> you just die
[21:17] <@blarajan> dual screen abra
[21:17] <@iss> abra screens are stupid but okay you have a point
[21:17] <viamage> ^
[21:17] <Friar> wouldnt like natu make sense to stop our mons from being crippled
[21:17] <@blarajan> o
[21:17] <@blarajan> cool story
[21:17] <@blarajan> i like that
[21:17] <@blarajan> natu sounds pretty cool
[21:17] <@blarajan> cock blocking ferroseed too
[21:17] <uxsee> then its not hyperoffense
[21:17] <uxsee> unless specs
[21:17] <@iss> maybe we should talk about what ho needs
[21:17] <@blarajan> yeah
[21:17] <@iss> okay so we need
[21:18] <@iss> hazards
[21:18] <@blarajan> we need strong
[21:18] <@blarajan> a lot of strong
[21:18] <@iss> maybe screens
[21:18] <@iss> at least 4 sweepers
[21:18] <@blarajan> uh
[21:18] <uxsee> offensive hazards = ?
[21:18] <viamage> we need scarf porygon :D
[21:18] <@blarajan> i disagree there
[21:18] <@blarajan> okay i guess this is a bit hard since
[21:18] <@blarajan> we all have really conflicting definitions of
[21:18] <@iss> at least 3 actually
[21:18] <@iss> tbh
[21:18] <@blarajan> offense
[21:18] <@blarajan> or hyper offense
[21:18] <@blarajan> or whatever the hell we're doing
[21:18] <@blarajan> so how about this
[21:18] <uxsee> lets define it first
[21:18] <@blarajan> let's just say when we're building this
[21:18] <@blarajan> we're going for BAM POW SWEEP SMASH
[21:18] <@iss> you need revenge killer + hazards + sweepers at the minimum
[21:18] <@iss> tbh
[21:19] <@blarajan> and breakers and clean up and shit
[21:19] <@blarajan> i'm sure we can figure out what to and what not to add
[21:19] <@iss> maybe screens, maybe a spinner
[21:19] <@blarajan> i'm thinking natu sounds fantastic
[21:19] <@blarajan> since it acts as a spinner and screeners
[21:19] <@blarajan> screener*
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[21:19] <@blarajan> and pivot and shit
[21:19] <uxsee> yeah
[21:19] <@iss> you don't really need wallbreakers tbh because there are no really good wallbreakers
[21:19] <@blarajan> i really like this idea a lot
[21:19] <@blarajan> STARYU
[21:19] <KingTorterraXIV> hello
[21:19] <@blarajan> IS BEST WALL BREAKER
[21:19] <uxsee> or light screenmagnemite
[21:19] <@iss> staryu isn't really a wallbreaker but w.e
[21:19] <@blarajan> the problem with that is magnemite is kind of slow at least
[21:19] <uxsee> for ferroshit
[21:19] <@iss> lol ds magnemite
[21:19] <@iss> i tried that
[21:19] <@blarajan> who said natu?
[21:19] <@blarajan> for the record
[21:19] <@iss> it sucked a lot :(
[21:19] <@blarajan> i don't remember
[21:19] <uxsee> aww D:
[21:20] <ebeast> Friar
[21:20] <ebeast> did
[21:20] <@blarajan> friar, that was a really good call
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[21:20] <@iss> dual screen natu tbh
[21:20] <@iss> u-turn is cool too
[21:20] <@iss> reflect/light screen/u-turn/roost
[21:20] <@blarajan> do we all see why dual screen natu might be a cool fit for where this team is going?
[21:20] <@blarajan> no nigger
[21:20] <@blarajan> fuck roost
[21:20] <@iss> fine
[21:20] <@blarajan> we don't have time to roost
[21:20] <@iss> run psychic or something idk
[21:20] <@blarajan> hp fly that shit
[21:20] <Snowflakes> THIS IS HYPER OFFENSIVE
[21:20] <Snowflakes> FUCK YEAH
[21:20] <@iss> lol
[21:20] <uxsee> SPECS NATU LEGGO
[21:20] <@blarajan> but yeah do we see why natu is a cool suggestion?
[21:20] <Snowflakes> let's go in like rambo 
[21:20] <Snowflakes> i'm gamee for natuu
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[21:21] <@iss> ho was really fun in dpp
[21:21] <@blarajan> it's fast, it gets screens, prevents hazards which we like, u-turn, cock blocks ferrotroll, helps against natu and such, and hippo
[21:21] <@blarajan> etc
[21:21] <@blarajan> it provides us a lot of good momentum
[21:21] <uxsee> okay now we need something to take electric attacks
[21:21] <@blarajan> and such
[21:21] <@blarajan> wait
[21:21] <@blarajan> we have an important decision to make first
[21:21] <@blarajan> eviolite? or light clay?
[21:21] <uxsee> oooooh
[21:21] <uxsee> umm
[21:21] <@blarajan> i hate this decision
[21:21] <@iss> light clay
[21:21] <Snowflakes> how many turns does light clay make it go up?
[21:21] <@iss> natu can force out hazard setters
[21:21] <@blarajan> 8
[21:21] <@iss> +3 turns
[21:21] <@iss> which is a lot
[21:22] <@blarajan> 8 turns with light clay
[21:22] <Snowflakes> yeah it is
[21:22] <@blarajan> 5 without
[21:22] <uxsee> light clay then
[21:22] <@blarajan> which includes the turn it's set up
[21:22] <@blarajan> okay
[21:22] <ebeast> I think Light Clay
[21:22] <@blarajan> i'm making this max timid
[21:22] <@blarajan> right?
[21:22] <@iss> ofc
[21:22] <@blarajan> to outrun as much as possible
[21:22] <@iss> max speed then hp
[21:22] <uxsee> max hp and timid
[21:22] <@iss> then rest in some defensive stats i guess
[21:22] <uxsee> and speed
[21:22] <ebeast> if we're going HO might as well screw the bulk and get the most out of the screens
[21:22] <@blarajan> is there an hp flying
[21:22] <@iss> did anyone here play dpp lc
[21:22] <@blarajan> that has 31 spe?
[21:22] <@iss> no
[21:22] <uxsee> no keep some bulk
[21:22] <@blarajan> fuck you flying
[21:22] <@blarajan> why not max special attack?
[21:22] <@iss> run psychic
[21:22] <@iss> lol
[21:22] <@iss> because
[21:22] <@blarajan> hp flying to smash scraggy and mienfoo and such
[21:22] <uxsee> weak
[21:22] <@iss> you don't want natu in
[21:23] <@iss> b/c you're wasting screen turns
[21:23] <uxsee> well actually base 70 spatk isnt horrible
[21:23] <uxsee> but iss is right
[21:23] <uxsee> u wanna u turn out asap
[21:23] <uxsee> so max hp and max speed, timid
[21:23] <@iss> yeah pretty much
[21:24] <uxsee> with LS/R/U turn/ and what
[21:24] <uxsee> hp flying?
[21:24] <uxsee> roost?
[21:24] <uxsee> wish?
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[21:24] <@iss> psychic imo but it really doesn't matter
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[21:24] <Snowflakes> fuck the roost
[21:24] <@iss> hi aerrow
[21:24] <@blarajan> aerrow
[21:24] <@blarajan> would you like to help us build offense
[21:24] <@blarajan> or are you going to be a gay and log off in t- 3 minutes?
[21:24] <@blarajan> all right i'm fine with psychic
[21:25] <~Aerrow> hi iss
[21:25] <@blarajan> i just preferred hp fly so murkrow can't keep up a sub against us
[21:25] <@blarajan> is all
[21:25] <uxsee> i liek hp flying more but whatevs
[21:25] <@iss> okay blarajan
[21:25] <@iss> w.e
[21:25] <uxsee> or featherdance
[21:25] <uxsee> that would be cool~
[21:25] <@blarajan> reflect does the same thing
[21:25] <@blarajan> doesn't it?
[21:25] <@iss> lol
[21:26] <~Aerrow> yea i logged on to talk with ray jay
[21:26] <~Aerrow> he not on obv
[21:26] <~Aerrow> he's*
[21:26] <uxsee> starmie/natu/__/__/__/__
[21:26] <@blarajan> staryu* but yeah
[21:26] <@blarajan> now adding natu did some interesting things
[21:26] <uxsee> im sorry
[21:26] <uxsee> fail
[21:27] <uxsee> weak to electric and chinchou
[21:27] <uxsee> very weak to chinchou
[21:27] <@iss> chinchou switch hmm
[21:27] <@blarajan> yeah
[21:27] <@blarajan> but keep in mind
[21:27] <@blarajan> with screens
[21:27] <@blarajan> we now have the option to run more frail sweepers
[21:27] <@iss> we really need hazards now tbh
[21:27] <@blarajan> or life orb > evioltie on things
[21:27] <@blarajan> eviolite*
[21:27] <uxsee> ok
[21:28] <@blarajan> which helps a lot--thanks friar
[21:28] <@blarajan> hazards are a big deal
[21:28] <uxsee> diglett cuz strong
[21:28] <@blarajan> we might consider
[21:28] <@blarajan> stealth rock shell smash dwebble
[21:28] <uxsee> :D
[21:28] <@blarajan> or diglett
[21:28] <uxsee> diglett for chinchou :D
[21:28] <@blarajan> diglett is indeed a cool dude
[21:28] <@blarajan> something like
[21:28] <@blarajan> sr memento earthquake rock slide?
[21:29] <uxsee> yep and now we ca runa bunch of set up sweepers
[21:29] <uxsee> with sash
[21:29] <@iss> this is a good idea
[21:29] <ebeast> ya on the Champion Diglett set
[21:29] <uxsee> ok
[21:30] <@blarajan> hm
[21:30] <uxsee> scraggy!
[21:30] <uxsee> i love me some scraggy
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[21:30] <@blarajan> wait before we move on
[21:30] <@blarajan> i want us to think about diglett more
[21:30] <@blarajan> or consider other options (though i do like diglett)
[21:31] <uxsee> okay
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[21:31] <@blarajan> we have to think
[21:31] <@blarajan> one) is sash the right option? or do we want to hit harder with life orb?
[21:31] * uxsee thinks
[21:31] <@iss> sash is good
[21:31] <@blarajan> two) what two attacking moves? eq / rock slide or eq / sucker punch?
[21:31] <@blarajan> three) is memento the right idea?
[21:31] <@iss> eq sucker punch
[21:32] <uxsee> yes
[21:32] <@iss> memento is definitely the best choice
[21:32] <ebeast> SR / Memento / EQ / Sucker Punch
[21:32] <ebeast> imo
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[21:32] <@iss|afk> i agree with ebeast
[21:32] <uxsee> agreed
[21:32] <@blarajan> we do have to consider
[21:32] <@blarajan> and this is important
[21:32] <@blarajan> by doing so, and by the addition of scraggy possibly
[21:32] <@blarajan> we will be aggravating an almost impossible to contain murkrow weakness
[21:32] <uxsee> okay
[21:32] <@blarajan> offense has a ton of problems with krow
[21:32] <@blarajan> especially life orb krow
[21:32] <uxsee> then no scraggy
[21:32] <@iss|afk> that's fine
[21:32] <@blarajan> since it's insanely hard to switch in
[21:32] <ebeast> maybe a tirtouga would work?
[21:33] <uxsee> thats what i was thinking
[21:33] <@iss|afk> hp grass
[21:33] <@blarajan> hp grass isn't too common
[21:33] <@blarajan> but even still
[21:33] <@blarajan> easier to work around
[21:33] <ebeast> how much would it take with Light Screen
[21:33] <@blarajan> especially if sturdy is still there
[21:33] <@blarajan> which is possible
[21:33] <@blarajan> with natu
[21:33] <uxsee> or dwebble over champion diglett D:
[21:34] <uxsee> hmm
[21:35] <uxsee> starmie/diglett/natu/murk counter/____/_____
[21:35] <@iss|afk> murkrow has no counters
[21:35] <@iss|afk> only checks
[21:36] <uxsee> ok
[21:36] <uxsee> 4got
[21:36] <@blarajan> lol
[21:36] <@iss|afk> seriously mixkrow can 2hko everything
[21:36] <@blarajan> why sucker punch as opposed to rock slide?
[21:36] <@iss|afk> if you predict right
[21:36] <@blarajan> the one thing i want is to prevent krow from getting a sub on us
[21:36] <@blarajan> cause that's devastating
[21:36] <@blarajan> and we can just memento misdreavus
[21:36] <@blarajan> and set something up on it
[21:37] <uxsee> http://memegenerator.net/instance/26166804
[21:37] <uxsee> :D
[21:38] <uxsee> btw missy has levitate
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[21:38] <uxsee> so how does that work
[21:38] <@blarajan> hm?
[21:38] <@blarajan> what do you mean?
[21:39] <uxsee> arena trp doesnt workwith levitate
[21:39] <@blarajan> ya missy doesn't get trapped
[21:39] <uxsee> wait what
[21:39] <uxsee> confused
[21:39] <uxsee> 18:36 blarajan and we can just memento misdreavus
[21:40] <@blarajan> i mean
[21:40] <@blarajan> i don't think sucker punch is too important right now
[21:40] <@blarajan> since instead of trying to play games with missy if it's in
[21:40] <uxsee> memento into missy?
[21:40] <@blarajan> we can just memento and set something up
[21:40] <uxsee> oh okay
[21:40] <@blarajan> is what i'm thinking
[21:41] <uxsee> moving on, what next
[21:41] <@blarajan> nah i mean that's an important decision too
[21:41] <@blarajan> see since offense is so initiative based
[21:41] <@blarajan> especially in lc since the tier is so bulky
[21:41] <@blarajan> we really need to think these things through
[21:41] <uxsee> well hmm
[21:41] <@blarajan> what move do we want in particular? what threats would we rather respond to in a specific way?
[21:41] <uxsee> missy has "counters" correct
[21:42] <viamage> sorry, someone was insistant on a match, what i miss?
[21:42] <@blarajan> um yeah the most common missy right now is just a bulky one with sball hp fight wow and psplit
[21:42] <@blarajan> some are scarf
[21:42] <@blarajan> some nplot
[21:42] <@blarajan> but you can handle each one
[21:42] <@blarajan> fairly easily
[21:42] <uxsee> okay then rock slide
[21:42] <@blarajan> we were debating what exactly to do with diglett, viamage?
[21:42] <@blarajan> is anyone else here following the team building?
[21:42] <viamage> then use memento best setup support i know
[21:43] <viamage> *setup sweeper support
[21:44] <@blarajan> yeah
[21:44] <uxsee> ok so what setuppers
[21:44] <@blarajan> i'm thinking rock slide personally but this is why we're all building it
[21:45] <viamage> well other then missy, bronzor and krow what else would it hit with that?
[21:45] <viamage> larvesta?
[21:45] <@blarajan> i mean yeah
[21:45] <@blarajan> the only reason i'm suggesting rock slide
[21:45] <@blarajan> is so krow never can sub on us
[21:45] <@blarajan> that's actually a really big problem
[21:45] <@blarajan> since you know
[21:45] <@blarajan> krow is fucking terror for offense
[21:46] <uxsee> well ofc
[21:46] <viamage> hmm, makes sense might as well be diglett i guess
[21:46] <uxsee> thats why ppl use it
[21:46] <@blarajan> i'm going to tentatively put rock slide now
[21:46] <@blarajan> is that okay?
[21:46] <uxsee> yes~
[21:46] <viamage> so moving my vote to blara's rockslide
[21:46] <@blarajan> is anyone else participating?
[21:47] <uxsee> guess not
[21:47] <viamage> lol
[21:47] <@blarajan> oh well it's fine
[21:47] <uxsee> iss was but afk
[21:47] <@blarajan> that's fine!
[21:47] <uxsee> okay!
[21:47] <@blarajan> now we're at the fun part
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[21:47] <@blarajan> we have so much opportunity to set up
[21:48] <@blarajan> what with screens
[21:48] <@blarajan> and memento diglett
[21:48] <@blarajan> what were our issues before?
[21:48] <viamage> so staryu/memento/natu or abra?
[21:48] <@blarajan> ferroseed / rest talk chinchou / murkrow / misdreavus / drilbur / elekid / diglett / staryu / houndour / scarfers
[21:48] <uxsee> yep
[21:48] <@blarajan> natu > abra for u-turn and preventing hazards
[21:48] <@blarajan> we handle ferroseed handily
[21:48] <viamage> and ele
[21:49] <@blarajan> ya
[21:49] <@blarajan> natu + diglett beats chinchou
[21:49] <@blarajan> most likely
[21:49] <@blarajan> or just diglett
[21:49] <viamage> and houndour
[21:49] <@blarajan> well
[21:49] <@blarajan> we need sash in tact for that
[21:49] <uxsee> thas why i picked it
[21:49] <@blarajan> we do a good job cock blocking hazards
[21:49] <@blarajan> with natu and diglett
[21:49] <@blarajan> but the one issue is dwebble
[21:49] <uxsee> yes and they are a common in lc
[21:50] <@blarajan> dwebble can hazard up on natu
[21:50] <uxsee> diglett?
[21:50] <uxsee> can ohko
[21:50] <@blarajan> i mean
[21:50] <uxsee> cnat*
[21:50] <@blarajan> what we would probably do
[21:50] <uxsee> cant*
[21:50] <@blarajan> is u-turn from natu
[21:50] <@blarajan> to diglett
[21:50] <@blarajan> or reflect first
[21:50] <@blarajan> then u-turn
[21:50] <@blarajan> or something
[21:50] <@blarajan> i guess
[21:50] <viamage> looks like i have to quit "family time" :/ cya in 30
[21:51] <@blarajan> lol
[21:51] <@blarajan> looks like me and uxsee are building a team then?
[21:51] <uxsee> pick something that can set up on dwebble
[21:51] <ebeast> U-turn from Natu to get a bit above Oran range then kill with Staryu/Diglett?
[21:51] <@blarajan> yeah
[21:51] <@blarajan> something like that most likely
[21:51] <@blarajan> probably diglett
[21:51] <ebeast> ya
[21:52] <uxsee> well who for set uppers
[21:52] <@blarajan> 0 Atk Natu (-Atk) U-turn vs 36 HP/0 Def Eviolite Dwebble: 13.64% - 18.18% (6-8 hits to KO)
[21:52] <uxsee> MAX ATTACK LEGGO
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[21:52] <@blarajan> 252 Atk Diglett (-Atk) Rock Slide vs 36 HP/0 Def Eviolite Dwebble: 36.36% - 45.45% (3 hits to KO)
[21:52] <@blarajan> nvm
[21:52] <@blarajan> we're going to staryu
[21:52] <ebeast> -Atk
[21:52] <ebeast> ?
[21:52] <@blarajan> ^_^
[21:52] <@blarajan> yeah
[21:52] <@blarajan> timid
[21:52] <@blarajan> it's u-turn
[21:52] <@blarajan> i don't care
[21:52] <@blarajan> oh
[21:52] <@blarajan> oops
[21:52] <@blarajan> on diglett
[21:52] <@blarajan> right
[21:52] <uxsee> how bout make it physical lol
[21:52] <@blarajan> sorry
[21:52] <@blarajan> 252 Atk Diglett Rock Slide vs 36 HP/0 Def Eviolite Dwebble: 45.45% - 54.55% (2-3 hits to KO)
[21:52] <@blarajan> calc trolled me
[21:53] <ebeast> lol
[21:53] <uxsee> and why not eq
[21:53] <@blarajan> cause uh
[21:53] <@blarajan> cause i'm not smart =P
[21:53] <ebeast> flinch
[21:53] <ebeast> !
[21:53] <@blarajan> and cause rock slide can flinch
[21:53] <uxsee> lol
[21:53] <@blarajan> but yeah
[21:53] <@blarajan> so you mentioned tirtouga before?
[21:53] <@blarajan> do you get why that might be
[21:53] <@blarajan> a really cool idea?
[21:53] <@blarajan> for right now?
[21:53] <uxsee> who r u asking
[21:53] <ebeast> yeah, I think it could work
[21:53] <@blarajan> anyone itc
[21:53] <@blarajan> we have a ton of options now
[21:53] <uxsee> ok then yeah
[21:54] <@blarajan> since we can set up
[21:54] <@blarajan> a lot
[21:54] <ebeast> we need a check to Krow
[21:54] <@blarajan> with screens and memento
[21:54] <@blarajan> the problem is krow
[21:54] <ebeast> so Tirtouga can do that
[21:54] <@blarajan> is a big penis face
[21:54] <@blarajan> which is why tirtouga is a fantastic recommendation
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[21:54] <@blarajan> furthermore aqua jet can get around scarfers and drilbur
[21:54] <ebeast> ya
[21:54] <ebeast> Tirtouga is awesome :)
[21:54] <uxsee> mmkay :D
[21:54] <@blarajan> while ohkoing things like scraggy and shit
[21:54] <@blarajan> PLUS
[21:54] <@blarajan> with natu
[21:54] <@blarajan> we can maintain sturdy
[21:55] <uxsee> tl;dr tirt is pro
[21:55] <uxsee> okay so
[21:55] <@blarajan> now we have
[21:55] <@blarajan> 1) dual screens natu
[21:55] <@blarajan> 2) lo staryu
[21:56] <ebeast> Staryu/Natu/Diglett/Tirtouga
[21:56] <uxsee> starmie/natu/tirtoga/diglett/___/____
[21:56] <@blarajan> 3) sr sash memento diglet
[21:56] <@blarajan> 4) tirtouga
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[21:56] <@blarajan> and we have some pretty cool offense going on right now too
[21:56] <@blarajan> which gives us pretty good set up for most of the meta
[21:56] <@blarajan> from what i can tell
[21:56] <@blarajan> we do have issues with
[21:56] <@blarajan> handling drilbur
[21:56] <@blarajan> right away
[21:56] <@blarajan> and we have issues like
[21:56] <@blarajan> switching into scraggy
[21:56] <@blarajan> though tbh
[21:57] <uxsee> okay
[21:57] <@blarajan> everything that's in can hurt scraggy enough
[21:57] <@blarajan> to make it not a big deal
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[21:57] <uxsee> so what can do that, exactly
[21:57] <@blarajan> cause then diglett does enough to kill
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[21:57] <@blarajan> let's consider our current problem areas
[21:57] <@blarajan> lo hp grass murkrow
[21:57] <@blarajan> is a big fat penis head
[21:57] <@blarajan> but it trolls itself
[21:57] <@blarajan> and tirtouga can ajet it
[21:57] <uxsee> ofc
[21:57] <@blarajan> mienfoo can be annoying
[21:58] <ebeast> and Drilbur before Tirtouga smash too
[21:58] <@iss|afk> how much does ajet do at +0
[21:58] <@blarajan> if it keeps u-turning out of natu
[21:58] <@blarajan> uhh to murkrow
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[21:58] <@blarajan> not much like 40$
[21:58] <@blarajan> 40%
[21:58] <@blarajan> if lo
[21:58] <@blarajan> something like that
[21:58] <@iss|afk> ok
[21:58] <@blarajan> 252 Atk Splash Plate Tirtouga (+Atk) Aqua Jet vs 0 HP/0 Def Murkrow: 40.91% - 54.55% (2-3 hits to KO)
[21:58] <@blarajan> 2hko after sr
[21:58] <uxsee> q/o smash
[21:59] <uxsee> w/o*
[21:59] <@blarajan> w/o
[21:59] <@blarajan> ya
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[21:59] <@blarajan> we might want to consider
[21:59] <@blarajan> either more set up
[22:00] <@blarajan> more u-turn and shit
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[22:00] <@blarajan> or more strong
[22:00] <uxsee> we have half of out team weak to grass
[22:00] <@blarajan> i'm thinking we have the potential
[22:00] <@blarajan> so a lot more set up could be cool
[22:00] <@blarajan> true
[22:00] <@blarajan> but the most common users of grass type attacks
[22:00] <@blarajan> are shroomish
[22:00] <@blarajan> lileep
[22:00] <@blarajan> and foongus
[22:00] <@blarajan> who natu rapes except for ancientpower lileep
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[22:00] <uxsee> we need hp flying then
[22:00] <@blarajan> o
[22:00] <@blarajan> i have hp flying
[22:00] <@blarajan> i hate murkrow remember
[22:00] <uxsee> ok
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[22:00] <uxsee> making sure
[22:00] <@blarajan> for the record, charmander
[22:00] <@blarajan> the team is
[22:00] <@Charmander> are you doing a session
[22:01] <uxsee> im wondering 
[22:01] <@blarajan> life orb staryu / sash sr memento diglett / dual screens natu / smash tirtouga
[22:01] <uxsee> does max attaxk natu u turn break murkrow's sub
[22:01] <@Charmander> sounds spicy
[22:01] <@blarajan> uh
[22:01] <@blarajan> max attack???
[22:01] <uxsee> lol
[22:01] <@blarajan> i.
[22:01] <@blarajan> guess?
[22:01] <@Charmander> i came here looking for a user but it looks like they arent online
[22:01] <@blarajan> probably?
[22:01] <@blarajan> but i'm not doing that?
[22:01] <@blarajan> =P
[22:01] <uxsee> it'd be pro
[22:01] <@Charmander> dont use max attack
[22:01] <@blarajan> okay the reasons that's a bad idea is
[22:01] <@Charmander> krow will kill you
[22:01] <@blarajan> it detracts from bulk
[22:01] <@blarajan> by a lot
[22:01] <@Charmander> never stay in on krow
[22:01] <@blarajan> and cause we'd be risking sucker punch
[22:02] <@blarajan> the only reason we would stay in on krow
[22:02] <@blarajan> is if by letting it get a sub up
[22:02] <@blarajan> we lose the game
[22:02] <@blarajan> so we do all we can to prevent that sub
[22:02] <@Charmander> anyway im out now
[22:02] <@blarajan> by spamming hp flying
[22:02] <uxsee> okay~
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[22:02] <@blarajan> otherwise we just go to tirtouga or preferably in the next poke
[22:02] <@blarajan> something else that can deal with it
[22:02] <@blarajan> or set up
[22:03] <@blarajan> as rare as it is
[22:03] <@blarajan> we do have elekid problems if diglett's sash isn't there
[22:03] <@blarajan> elekid, fuck drilbur, fuck krow, fuck u-turn mienfoo, scraggy kind of bitch but not really
[22:03] <@blarajan> is where i'm looking right now
[22:04] <@blarajan> and we have issues with opposing staryu
[22:04] <@blarajan> i don't know i'm kind of liking like
[22:04] <@blarajan> some sort of boosting misdreavus
[22:04] <ebeast> NP / DBond / Shadow Ball / HP Fighting?
[22:04] <uxsee> np missy, but that adds a weakness to scraggy
[22:04] <@blarajan> 252 +2 SpAtk Misdreavus Hidden Power Fighting vs 0 HP/36 SpDef Eviolite Scraggy: 85.71% - 104.76% (6.25% chance to OHKO)
[22:05] <@blarajan> au contraire
[22:05] <uxsee> arent most dd
[22:05] <uxsee> so outspeed
[22:05] <@blarajan> ya but
[22:05] <@blarajan> where does it set up here?
[22:05] <ebeast> this is after you NP and Scraggy switches in to check
[22:05] <uxsee> oh okay
[22:05] <@blarajan> i like eviolite nasty plot misdreavus
[22:05] <@blarajan> because one
[22:05] <uxsee> i dont usually do hyper offense so this is new to me
[22:05] <@blarajan> under screens or memento
[22:05] <@blarajan> it's a fucking bamf
[22:05] <@blarajan> and bulky as shit
[22:06] <@blarajan> two it's strong
[22:06] <@blarajan> three destiny bond lets us do cool things
[22:06] <@blarajan> and four it checks misdreavus and lets us switch into staryu kind of
[22:06] <@blarajan> checks mienfoo*
[22:06] <ebeast> yeah DBond NP is my favorite set
[22:07] <@blarajan> and it switches into eq
[22:07] <%Danilo> taunt np is good
[22:07] <@blarajan> either one
[22:07] <@blarajan> nasty plot something
[22:07] <@blarajan> we have to consider that with an offensive team
[22:07] <uxsee> i liek dbond better
[22:07] <@blarajan> we're working off initiative
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[22:07] <@blarajan> so making free switches or shit like that
[22:07] <@blarajan> is rather important
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[22:07] <@blarajan> and missy has the bulk speed power and typing
[22:07] <@blarajan> to come in on enough of the meta to set up
[22:08] <uxsee> plus spinblocks our sr
[22:08] <@blarajan> yeah
[22:08] <@blarajan> sir
[22:08] <@blarajan> why taunt np? (not me saying my idea is better, jw?)
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[22:08] <uxsee> (idk)
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[22:08] <@blarajan> danilo, if sir isn't a highlight anymore
[22:09] <uxsee> i say dbond
[22:09] <@blarajan> i kind of agree with ebeast in dbond since
[22:09] <@blarajan> that forces murkrow
[22:09] <@blarajan> to not use sucker punch
[22:09] <@blarajan> that's the only reason
[22:09] <%Danilo> i like taunt np
[22:09] <%Danilo> for specific situations
[22:09] <uxsee> starmie/natu/tirtoga/diglett/missy/____
[22:09] <%Danilo> like thunder wave porygon
[22:09] <%Danilo> leech seed ferroseed
[22:09] <@blarajan> such as? once again, this is just informative
[22:09] <@blarajan> o
[22:09] <%Danilo> things of that nature
[22:09] <@blarajan> the bulky pokes you'd set up on
[22:09] <@blarajan> like lileep
[22:09] <@blarajan> who want to status you?
[22:09] <%Danilo> yep
[22:09] <uxsee> cm mienfoo for the last mon :D
[22:09] <@blarajan> that is a valid concern
[22:09] <%Danilo> after lots of searching
[22:10] <%Danilo> ive found that taunt is the best
[22:10] <@blarajan> since misdreavus is one of your better lileep switch ins
[22:10] <uxsee> dats truew
[22:10] <%Danilo> and vs bronzor
[22:10] <%Danilo> but who uses that srsly
[22:10] <uxsee> we could try sub to block those
[22:10] <%Danilo> i mean d bond and wow have their own merits
[22:10] <%Danilo> ive just found taunt to be superior
[22:10] <@blarajan> sub kind of takes the best of both worlds
[22:10] <@blarajan> tbh
[22:10] <%Danilo> it's also very uncmmon
[22:11] <%Danilo> sub is cool
[22:11] <@blarajan> sub messes with murkrow
[22:11] <@blarajan> and blocks status
[22:11] <@blarajan> so we get both sorts of things
[22:11] <%Danilo> i keep keeping hp
[22:11] <@blarajan> that was a really good suggestion, uxsee
[22:11] <%Danilo> but sub is more devastating
[22:11] <@blarajan> plus
[22:11] <@blarajan> we have screens
[22:11] <@blarajan> and memento support
[22:11] <%Danilo> oh
[22:11] <%Danilo> that seems fine then
[22:11] <@blarajan> good idea uxsee
[22:12] <uxsee> yay :D
[22:12] <@blarajan> !
[22:12] <@blarajan> we all okay with
[22:12] <@blarajan> substitute / plot / shadow ball / hp fight misdreavus?
[22:12] <uxsee> eviolite
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[22:12] <uxsee> and max offenses
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[22:13] <@blarajan> ya
[22:13] <viamage> i'm back
[22:13] <@blarajan> kk cool
[22:13] <@blarajan> we decided for the last
[22:13] <@blarajan> erm
[22:13] <@blarajan> for the fifth
[22:13] <@blarajan> sub plot misdreavus @ eviolite
[22:14] <viamage> alright
[22:14] <@blarajan> so this is looking really solid
[22:14] <viamage> agreed
[22:14] <&macle> im black
[22:14] <uxsee> still elekid weak
[22:14] <ebeast> sure
[22:14] <@blarajan> yk i'm p okay with being elekid weak
[22:14] <@blarajan> and i guess like
[22:15] <ebeast> LO Staryu / SR Memento Diglett / Screens Natu / Smash Tirtouga / SubNP Missy
[22:15] <@blarajan> we do have diglett and tirtouga (ajet) 
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[22:15] <@blarajan> it's not a travesty
[22:15] <Friar> kinda snover weak
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[22:15] <@blarajan> yeah just a bit
[22:15] <@blarajan> snover was one of the current problem mons
[22:15] <Borogoves> drilbur can also be a problem
[22:15] <@blarajan> though we DO force it to guess
[22:15] <Borogoves> if it has shadow claw
[22:15] <@blarajan> drilbur isn't as concerning as snover
[22:15] <viamage> what are the current problem mons?
[22:15] <@blarajan> especially under screens
[22:15] <@blarajan> and we do have tirtouga
[22:16] <@blarajan> right now snover is a problem
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[22:16] <uxsee> okay is there any combo mon that beats snover and elekid
[22:16] <@blarajan> dat blizzard
[22:16] <@blarajan> uh
[22:16] <uxsee> im just tryin to think
[22:16] <@blarajan> i mean like elekid isn't a huge deal either
[22:16] <@blarajan> i guess lik
[22:16] <@blarajan> e
[22:16] <@blarajan> agility chinchou
[22:16] <@blarajan> fits that criteria
[22:16] <uxsee> larvesta owns snover
[22:16] <@blarajan> we really have to play
[22:16] <uxsee> but not elekid
[22:16] <@blarajan> perfectly well
[22:17] <@blarajan> to keep rocks off
[22:17] <@blarajan> if we have larvesta
[22:17] <uxsee> true
[22:17] <@blarajan> sturdy tirtouga
[22:17] <Friar> sun ponyta would add bulk and weather control
[22:17] <@blarajan> and sash diglett
[22:17] <@blarajan> all on one team
[22:17] <ebeast> and Snover can carry HP Rock
[22:17] <@blarajan> hm
[22:17] <@blarajan> that's an interesting idea friar
[22:17] <Friar> or maybe too water weak then
[22:17] <@blarajan> that still gives us staryu problems
[22:17] <uxsee> weakens starmie, the focus of the team
[22:17] <uxsee> dammit nin ja
[22:17] <@blarajan> and hurts our staryu
[22:17] <@blarajan> we have our wall breaking staryu here
[22:17] <@blarajan> so is there anything that like
[22:17] <@blarajan> it smashes
[22:18] <@blarajan> right now
[22:18] <@blarajan> that would let something set up?
[22:18] <uxsee> umm
[22:18] <@blarajan> let's consider what staryu breaks
[22:18] <@blarajan> staryu breaks appart
[22:18] <@blarajan> croagunk
[22:18] <@blarajan> hurts lileep
[22:18] <@blarajan> smashes fires
[22:18] <@blarajan> dratini
[22:18] <uxsee> axew
[22:19] <@blarajan> hurts waters
[22:19] <ebeast> yeah I was about to that that Tirtouga appreciates Staryu breaking Croagunk
[22:19] <@blarajan> etc
[22:19] <@blarajan> yeah that was a cool part about tirt
[22:19] <@blarajan> staryu lures gunk
[22:19] <@blarajan> and really hurts lileep
[22:19] <@blarajan> with lo ice beam
[22:19] <@blarajan> which is very unexpected
[22:19] <@blarajan> maybe we can consider this?
[22:19] <@blarajan> we put a lot
[22:19] <viamage> hmm
[22:19] <@blarajan> and i mean A LOT
[22:19] <@blarajan> of pressure on lileep
[22:19] <@blarajan> with this team
[22:19] <@blarajan> life orb staryu
[22:19] <@blarajan> shell smash tirtouga
[22:19] <@blarajan> nasty plot misdreavus
[22:19] <@blarajan> natu
[22:19] <@blarajan> we even have diglett
[22:19] <@blarajan> we are a lean mean fuck lileep machine
[22:20] <viamage> that's five pokes that shut down lileep :P
[22:20] <@blarajan> not really shut down
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[22:20] <uxsee> we could try scarf mienfoo
[22:20] <@blarajan> in the case of staryu and tirtouga
[22:20] <@blarajan> but shit that hurts
[22:20] <uxsee> since croagunk
[22:20] <viamage> should we have a cleric?
[22:20] <@blarajan> yes that's definitely on track with what i was looking at
[22:20] <uxsee> and it gains momentum
[22:20] <@blarajan> well viamage
[22:20] <uxsee> with u turn
[22:20] <@blarajan> if we have a turn to heal
[22:20] <@blarajan> heal bell*
[22:20] <@blarajan> wouldn't we rather smash something?
[22:20] <uxsee> and shits on snover and non scarfed elekid
[22:21] <uxsee> and it NEVER dies
[22:21] <@blarajan> well it doesn't really shit on snover
[22:21] <uxsee> well it outspeeds an go
[22:21] <@blarajan> cause blizzard will ohko
[22:21] <viamage> i guess, but we're really running a team of glass cannons now
[22:21] <uxsee> koes*
[22:21] <uxsee> or bulky
[22:21] <@blarajan> that's kind of the point though viamage
[22:21] <uxsee> so it can take a hit
[22:21] <viamage> lol, you're so right
[22:21] <uxsee> but that doesnt work on this team
[22:21] <@blarajan> we have to consider the most common sets
[22:21] <uxsee> he adds to murk weakness too
[22:21] <@blarajan> and spreads
[22:21] <@blarajan> and try to break through
[22:22] <@blarajan> i was kind of liking
[22:22] <@blarajan> agility chinchou
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[22:22] <@blarajan> kind of
[22:22] <@blarajan> or at least playing with the idea in my head
[22:22] <@blarajan> since it outruns drilbur after an agility
[22:22] <@blarajan> and since we put so much pressure on lileep
[22:22] <@blarajan> it could be a cool cleaner
[22:22] <@blarajan> but i'm sure there are better ideas out there
[22:22] <Friar> wouldnt rain help us more than agility
[22:22] <@blarajan> oh
[22:22] <@blarajan> fantastic
[22:22] <@blarajan> FANTASTIC
[22:22] <uxsee> rain murkrow!
[22:22] <@blarajan> idea
[22:22] <viamage> scarf porygon!
[22:23] <uxsee> :D
[22:23] <@blarajan> some sort of swift swimmer
[22:23] <@blarajan> could be really cool
[22:23] <@blarajan> to both clean up
[22:23] <uxsee> lets think
[22:23] <@blarajan> and boost tirtouga
[22:23] <@blarajan> or staryu
[22:23] <@blarajan> and to keep sash / sturdy in tact
[22:23] <@blarajan> by removing hail
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[22:23] <uxsee> okay so
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[22:23] <uxsee> buizel
[22:24] <uxsee> horsea
[22:24] <uxsee> tympole
[22:24] <uxsee> finneon
[22:24] <ebeast> Mantyke
[22:24] <@blarajan> horsea or mantyke
[22:24] <@blarajan> imo
[22:24] <uxsee> MAGIKARP
[22:24] <uxsee> :D
[22:24] <@blarajan> .
[22:24] <uxsee> lotad
[22:24] <viamage> rofl, totally magi!
[22:24] <ebeast> Horsea I think, we are kind of weak to Rock as it is
[22:24] <@blarajan> omanyte clashes too much with tirtouga too
[22:24] <@blarajan> they're like the same pokemon
[22:24] <@blarajan> at that point
[22:25] <uxsee> actually i was leaning more towards mantyke
[22:25] <@blarajan> oh?
[22:25] <@blarajan> why?
[22:25] <@blarajan> (not a jab, just a question)
[22:25] <ebeast> though Mantyke can be a buffer towards Snover
[22:25] <viamage> well does lotad have any merits other than additional sr resisting?
[22:25] <uxsee> well its not weak to any of snovers mvoes
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[22:25] <uxsee> umm grass typing
[22:26] <@blarajan> lotad?
[22:26] <@blarajan> lotad is weak as balls
[22:26] <uxsee> it sux though
[22:26] <@blarajan> do not want
[22:26] <viamage> ok just checking :P
[22:26] <ebeast> pstats, horsea
[22:26] <+pstats> Horsea [Water] Swift Swim/Sniper/Damp (DW) | 30/40/70/70/25/60 | LC | GK/LK: 20 BP
[22:26] <@blarajan> one relatively decent poke
[22:26] <@blarajan> could be lol
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[22:26] <ebeast> pstats, mantyke
[22:26] <@blarajan> surskit
[22:26] <+pstats> Mantyke [Water/Flying] Swift Swim/Water Absorb/Water Veil (DW) | 45/20/50/60/120/50 | LC | GK/LK: 80 BP
[22:26] <@blarajan> cause STAB signal beam
[22:26] <@blarajan> lol
[22:26] <uxsee> oooh
[22:26] <viamage> nice physical bulk
[22:27] <uxsee> XD
[22:27] <viamage> takes 1 stray thundershock and we're screwd though :P
[22:27] <@blarajan> lol
[22:27] <uxsee> lol
[22:27] <@blarajan> do we like this idea?
[22:27] <@blarajan> a swift swimmer?
[22:27] <@blarajan> or agility poke?
[22:28] <@blarajan> i think speed
[22:28] <Snowflakes> ss
[22:28] <@blarajan> is the best here
[22:28] <ebeast> how do we deal with opposing Chinchou again?
[22:28] <@blarajan> well
[22:28] <@blarajan> it's primarily diglett
[22:28] <uxsee> lol
[22:28] <@blarajan> it's not hard to u-turn in or switch in predicting an electric attack
[22:28] <viamage> i'm still leaning towards scarf pory, but i would choose sswimmer if i had too
[22:28] <@blarajan> since we have so much bait
[22:28] <@blarajan> why scarf pory?
[22:28] <ebeast> to trace Sand Rush
[22:28] <@blarajan> in case anyone here is new to lc
[22:29] <viamage> great coverage and it outspeeds everything
[22:29] <@blarajan> pory is cool in that it's the only scarfer that can revenge drilbur
[22:29] <@blarajan> actually
[22:29] <@blarajan> not true
[22:29] <@blarajan> it doesn't outrun anything
[22:29] <@blarajan> it's actually only 14 speed
[22:29] <viamage> with a scarf though
[22:29] <@blarajan> 21
[22:29] <@blarajan> so outrun by
[22:29] <ebeast> yeah it's not outspeeding +1 Scrafty
[22:29] <@blarajan> +1 scraggy and all scarfers
[22:29] <ebeast> o*Scraggy
[22:29] <uxsee> it "helps" with snover
[22:29] <&SevenDeadlySins> the magic 14 is an outmoded concept
[22:29] <&SevenDeadlySins> back when people didnt like running scarves
[22:29] <viamage> sorry forgot to put *unboosted :P
[22:30] <&SevenDeadlySins> and 18-20 speed stuff ruled the land
[22:30] <@blarajan> 14 is a big scarf number still sds
[22:30] <@blarajan> 14 or 19 are the only real common scarfers
[22:30] <&SevenDeadlySins> i know
[22:30] <&SevenDeadlySins> but it means way less than it used to
[22:30] <ebeast> for this team we need more speed is the thing though
[22:30] <@blarajan> yeah
[22:30] <@blarajan> i kind of like
[22:30] <@blarajan> mantyke
[22:30] <@blarajan> since it can switch in on snover
[22:30] <@blarajan> easily
[22:30] <@blarajan> and has air slash now
[22:30] <@blarajan> so like
[22:30] <@blarajan> rd
[22:30] <@blarajan> surf / hydro
[22:30] <@blarajan> air slash
[22:30] <@blarajan> ice beam
[22:30] <viamage> sigh, sorry pory swimming it is
[22:30] <@blarajan> it does well against lileep
[22:31] <uxsee> rain dance w/ damp rock
[22:31] <@blarajan> life orb
[22:31] <&SevenDeadlySins> oh whatthe fuck
[22:31] <&SevenDeadlySins> mantyke gets air slash now?
[22:31] <uxsee> why lo
[22:31] <@blarajan> yeah
[22:31] <ebeast> yeah
[22:31] <@blarajan> cause it should be end game uxsee
[22:31] <@blarajan> we don't need eight rain turns
[22:31] <@blarajan> as opposed to
[22:31] <uxsee> olay
[22:31] <ebeast> waiting for 6th gen Hurricane Mantyke now
[22:31] <@blarajan> STRONGTH ATTACKS
[22:31] <uxsee> okay*
[22:31] <viamage> rofl
[22:31] <viamage> i want that mantyke on my team
[22:31] <@blarajan> plus
[22:31] <@blarajan> air slash flinches are cute
[22:31] <uxsee> yep
[22:32] <ebeast> yeah
[22:32] <uxsee> so thats the team then?
[22:32] <@blarajan> the biggest reason is
[22:32] <@blarajan> mantyke is fucking ADORABLE
[22:32] <@blarajan> oh my jesus fuck
[22:32] <@blarajan> it's so cute
[22:32] <@blarajan> what moves?
[22:32] <@blarajan> rain dance
[22:32] <@blarajan> hydro pump
[22:32] <@blarajan> air slash
[22:32] <&SevenDeadlySins> i would still say hp ground/grass over either air slash or ice beam
[22:32] <@blarajan> and what's the last?
[22:32] <@blarajan> yeah i agree with probably hp grass
[22:32] <&SevenDeadlySins> otherwise chinch eats your existence
[22:33] <viamage> it would be nice to have chinc support
[22:33] <uxsee> http://tinyurl.com/ywblajaran
[22:33] <@blarajan> what do you mean, viamage?
[22:33] <ebeast> LO Staryu / SR Memento Diglett / Screens Natu / Shell Smash Tirtouga / RD Mantyke / NP Missy
[22:33] <ebeast> atm
[22:33] <viamage> well atm we're relying on diglett, what if he's gone?
[22:33] <@blarajan> he won't be
[22:33] <uxsee> were screwed
[22:33] <uxsee> etc etc
[22:33] <@blarajan> that's how you have to play these teams
[22:33] <@blarajan> remember?
[22:34] <@blarajan> offense teams are made to put pressure on the opponent
[22:34] <@blarajan> you can sack mons if you have to
[22:34] <@blarajan> you don't need to conserve every mon
[22:34] <@blarajan> the whole point is setting up a sweep
[22:34] <@blarajan> or breaking things through
[22:34] <viamage> *ok face*
[22:34] <@blarajan> to let you smash things
[22:34] <@blarajan> right now we have
[22:34] <@blarajan> natu
[22:34] <@blarajan> mantyke
[22:34] <uxsee> im saccing mantye everytime
[22:34] <@blarajan> staryu
[22:34] <uxsee> cuz so cute
[22:34] <@blarajan> and uh
[22:34] <@blarajan> tirtouga
[22:34] <@blarajan> we have FOUR things electric weak
[22:34] <@blarajan> this sounds bad
[22:34] <@blarajan> but it's not
[22:34] <@blarajan> at least for a team like this
[22:34] <@blarajan> the most common user of an electric attack
[22:34] <@blarajan> is chinchou
[22:34] <@blarajan> right?
[22:34] <@blarajan> so
[22:34] <uxsee> yes
[22:34] <ebeast> yeah
[22:34] <@blarajan> what does it do?
[22:34] <viamage> agreed
[22:35] <@blarajan> does it use tbolt / volt switch?
[22:35] <@blarajan> trying to kill the mon?
[22:35] <viamage> votl switch :P
[22:35] <@blarajan> when we have diglett?
[22:35] <@blarajan> to fuck its shit up?
[22:35] <ebeast> we play carefully with Diglett and take it down
[22:35] <@blarajan> or does it predict diglett
[22:35] <@blarajan> and completely fuck itself
[22:35] <uxsee> we let it die and then send in diglett
[22:35] <@blarajan> against everything open?
[22:35] <@blarajan> answer: it's screwed
[22:35] <@blarajan> it can handle something
[22:35] <viamage> then we shread through things :D
[22:35] <@blarajan> but then diglett fucks its shit up
[22:35] <@blarajan> it can get one kill at most
[22:35] <@blarajan> and generally zero
[22:35] <@blarajan> since the chinchou user would be more scared by the thought of getting trapped by diglet
[22:35] <@blarajan> t
[22:35] <uxsee> memento~
[22:35] <@blarajan> and losing its main check
[22:35] <@blarajan> to four of our mons
[22:35] <@blarajan> than to play risky
[22:36] <@blarajan> i think this is fantastic right now
[22:36] <@blarajan> since we put so much pressure on chinchou and lileep
[22:36] <@blarajan> that we break through really easily
[22:36] <@blarajan> also
[22:36] <@blarajan> do i go for 19 hp on mantyke?
[22:36] <uxsee> starmie/natu/tirtoga/diglett/missy/mantyke
[22:36] <uxsee> explain
[22:36] <uxsee> for sr?
[22:37] <ebeast> 19 HP means it's only taking 1 HP damage from LO
[22:37] <uxsee> oh okay
[22:37] <ebeast> as apposed to 2
[22:37] <@blarajan> 10% of 20 is 2
[22:37] <@blarajan> 10% of 19 is 1.9
[22:37] <@blarajan> which rounds down to 1
[22:37] <uxsee> wow lol
[22:37] <@blarajan> mantyke originally gets 21 hp
[22:37] <@blarajan> 0 ivs puts it at 19
[22:37] <@blarajan> is that worth it?
[22:37] <Friar> with screens i think so
[22:37] <@blarajan> me too
[22:37] <uxsee> yes and it also allows it to wsitch it into sr 4 times
[22:37] <uxsee> wait no
[22:37] <uxsee> lo
[22:38] <uxsee> nvm
[22:38] <ebeast> it does both
[22:38] <@blarajan> http://pastebin.com/SwSCrP7P
[22:38] <@blarajan> is the team in its current interation
[22:38] <@blarajan> keep in mind mantyke has 2 hp ivs
[22:39] <@blarajan> everything else is standard