[03:45:37]	<Mathieulh>	QA flag's a bitch xD
[03:45:57]	<Mathieulh>	they actually protected it better than EID0 itself
[03:46:09]	<Mathieulh>	which is utterly stupid but that's sony
[03:46:12]	<PsHellcat>	q': would access to a QA'ed DEH help? (I know someone who *might* get one - and no, not me)
[03:46:29]	<Mathieulh>	npt ?
[03:46:34]	<PsHellcat>	yop :D
[03:46:39]	<Mathieulh>	yah it'd help
[03:46:43]	<PsHellcat>	cewl
[03:46:46]	<Mathieulh>	get me his token seed xD
[03:47:02]	<PsHellcat>	'cause he'd be glad to help out if it turned out it's QA'ed
[03:47:33]	<Mathieulh>	the main problem with QA right now is that we dunno what value to set to the token seed
[03:47:59]	<Mathieulh>	we have the keys and most of the algo
[03:48:19]	<PsHellcat>	that sounds nice already
[03:48:27]	<Mathieulh>	yah
[03:54:37]	<rms>	god, this hexdump is huge
[04:43:25]	<Mathieulh>	sorry for the highlight npt xD
[04:43:42]	<rms>	im sure he doesnt mind
[04:44:02]	<rms>	oh, Mathieulh
[04:44:03]	<rms>	did those elfs work for you?
[04:44:37]	<Mathieulh>	didn't try them yet
[04:44:43]	<rms>	ok
[04:44:45]	<Mathieulh>	but they have no reason to fail afaik
[04:45:00]	<Mathieulh>	should be all set to dump metldr (again) Xd
[04:45:06]	<Mathieulh>	xD *
[04:45:13]	<rms>	unless they infinite loop by mistake
[04:45:14]	<rms>	<_<
[04:45:14]	<rms>	then again, it was anergistic
[04:45:31]	<Mathieulh>	well, they work in anergistic
[04:45:38]	<rms>	P
[04:45:38]	<rms>	:P
[04:45:56]	<rms>	how do you lead something into the anergistic spuls is my question
[04:46:01]	<Mathieulh>	now we just have to load them and fetch the data from the shared LS or the mailbox
[04:46:05]	<rms>	or how do you put things in memory
[04:46:06]	<Mathieulh>	depending on the self we use
[04:46:06]	<rms>	yeah
[04:46:21]	<Mathieulh>	you mean how to dma ?
[04:46:24]	<rms>	yeah
[04:46:31]	<rms>	how do i put data initially into the spe
[04:46:31]	<Mathieulh>	not sure anergistic emulates that
[04:46:36]	<Mathieulh>	though I think it does
[04:46:46]	<rms>	like
[04:46:52]	<Mathieulh>	well data is sent to the mailbox or shared LS
[04:47:03]	<Mathieulh>	it's the loader that asks the mmu to open the dma channel
[04:47:06]	<rms>	data already in the isolated LS
[04:47:13]	<Mathieulh>	yeah
[04:47:23]	<Mathieulh>	well there is also the protocol to take into account
[04:47:42]	<Mathieulh>	openning a dma channel requires more than a few instructions afaik
[04:47:43]	<rms>	like, say i want to push over a decrypted elf in ls, it lies in isolated ls
[04:47:43]	<rms>	how do i emulate that in anergistic
[04:47:54]	<rms>	it's like 25
[04:48:13]	<rms>	those elfs just have about 10 instructions
[04:48:27]	<Mathieulh>	well, afaik you just run that elf in anergistic
[04:48:42]	<Mathieulh>	it doesn't matter for the spu process wether the LS is isolated or not
[04:48:51]	<Mathieulh>	the spu process is gonna access the LS as a whole
[04:48:54]	<rms>	ok
[04:49:02]	<Mathieulh>	just by supplying the proper address
[04:49:09]	<Mathieulh>	it is the outside that cannot reach the isolated area
[04:49:10]	<rms>	go tell me when you get those decrypted elfs
[04:49:15]	<rms>	i'd love to take a look at them
[04:49:16]	<Mathieulh>	by outside I mean anything not running on the spu
[04:49:37]	<Mathieulh>	which ones?
[04:50:11]	<rms>	whatever you can get into the isolated SPU :)
[04:50:22]	<npt>	Mathieulh, no worry about the highlight : )
[04:50:27]	<Mathieulh>	well, you just have to sign a loader, it'll run isolated
[04:50:31]	<Mathieulh>	I mean on real hardware
[04:50:38]	<Mathieulh>	ok npt
[04:50:49]	<Mathieulh>	on anergistic the loader has to be in elf format
[04:51:01]	<Mathieulh>	cause I doubt anergistic likes encrypted selfs xD
[04:51:15]	<Mathieulh>	although you can run metldr in anergistic
[04:51:25]	<Mathieulh>	and use its protocol to decrypt and load your loaders
[04:51:28]	<Mathieulh>	just as it's done on ps3
[04:52:23]	<Mathieulh>	rms ah! you mean using that bug we found ? (about the elfs)
[04:52:49]	<rms>	yeah
[04:52:58]	<Mathieulh>	yeah, certainly
[04:53:25]	<Mathieulh>	we just grab metldr first though, just for the sake of it