[22:00:33] <&elevator_music> ok, who's here? [22:00:51] Me [22:00:57] :o [22:01:04] oh me [22:01:10] <&macle> me [22:01:13] <&macle> kinda [22:01:22] i'm reading =) [22:01:44] <&elevator_music> ok [22:01:45] i'm just lurking [22:01:49] * Metroid78 (Mibbit@synIRC-53CADDCE.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [22:01:58] <&elevator_music> do any of you have a pokemon you want to base the team around, or anything like that? [22:02:17] well I was just thinking that because we showed how to build [22:02:21] an offensive team last time [22:02:22] Cranidos is a badass [22:02:29] maybe we should go defensive for this one [22:02:31] ? [22:02:58] <&elevator_music> ok, a defensive team is fine i suppose [22:03:11] what about Cacnea ? [22:03:12] <&elevator_music> or cranidos [22:03:37] <&elevator_music> im not certain of cacnea's viability lol [22:04:11] * blarajan (~blarajan@synIRC-A5C268B1.wireless.umd.edu) has joined #littlecup [22:04:11] * Cerberus sets mode: +o blarajan [22:04:22] <@blarajan> hi [22:04:23] <@blarajan> i'm here [22:04:24] <@blarajan> have we done anything [22:04:29] <&elevator_music> nope [22:04:31] <@blarajan> i'll be back in five minutes [22:04:32] just discussing starting points [22:04:37] <@blarajan> need a protein shake [22:04:38] <@blarajan> start without me [22:05:21] <&elevator_music> ok [22:05:25] <&elevator_music> umm [22:05:30] <&elevator_music> no other suggestions? [22:05:37] <&elevator_music> why is nobody here today x.x [22:05:45] hmmm [22:06:17] <&macle> ummmmm [22:06:20] <&macle> lets use sunkern [22:06:32] Yes [22:06:51] <&elevator_music> i was kind of thinking beldum but ok [22:07:03] what about [22:07:06] <&macle> beldum is too hipseter [22:07:09] Eevee [22:07:22] Beldum won me a randbat today, don't speak of the bell in such a bad light :p [22:07:25] <&elevator_music> eevee really isnt any better than cacnea :( [22:07:35] <&elevator_music> its not that strong or bulky :( [22:07:53] Teddiursa ? [22:08:31] <&elevator_music> prem [22:08:44] <@blarajan> teddiursa sounds cool [22:08:46] <@blarajan> i like teddiursa [22:08:49] what does beldum do, I've only seen it once [22:08:51] <&elevator_music> dies [22:08:53] <@blarajan> it uses take down [22:08:56] <@blarajan> and dies [22:08:56] Cranidos>teddiursa [22:09:00] <@blarajan> cranidos is balls [22:09:04] oh ok :p [22:09:14] teddiursa is good [22:09:36] just has a lot of trouble setting up :< [22:09:58] <&macle> lets use sub sd drillbur [22:11:25] <@blarajan> sub drilbur could be cool [22:11:27] * VintageBooks (~VB@tables.set.and.there.is.tea.for.two) has joined #littlecup [22:11:30] * ala (~Ala@synIRC-E6F0F73C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #littlecup [22:11:37] <&elevator_music> we havent built a sand team yet [22:11:43] * HSA (Mibbit@as.cool.as.an.ice.mongoose) has joined #littlecup [22:11:44] <@blarajan> that's true [22:11:55] <+PoJ> Did Axew get new tutor moves from BW2 to help its coverage? [22:11:56] <@blarajan> i'm down with a sand team based on supporting sub sd eq shadow claw drilbur [22:11:59] <@blarajan> if we're cool with that [22:12:05] <@blarajan> yeah it got superpower low kick and aqua tail [22:12:06] <@blarajan> i think [22:12:08] :o [22:12:15] we could build a defensive sand team that cleans with drilbur [22:12:16] ? [22:12:22] <+DTC> doesn't beldum use iron head and zen headbutt [22:12:23] <+DTC> and dies [22:12:27] it indeed got SuperPower [22:12:29] <&elevator_music> yes to both [22:12:30] Iron defense [22:12:32] * Pikachu (Pikachu@filthy.rat) has joined #littlecup [22:12:34] also Aqua Tail [22:12:37] woop [22:12:38] Sit and do nothing before dying [22:12:42] Anyways [22:15:18] from what i know [22:15:28] . [22:15:28] what about RS/Crunch on SR to hit misdrea / murkrow [22:15:45] and keeping SR on something that would not let Staryu switch in [22:15:57] therefore, more pressure on the opponent team, and a good way to fight Hail [22:16:00] * SnowflAFkes is now known as Snowflakes [22:16:07] so Hippo + Lileep for Rocks [22:16:08] what has sr and beats starmie [22:16:09] (bcuz hard spinz !!) [22:16:11] *staryu [22:16:19] oh ok [22:16:21] lileep [22:16:27] <&elevator_music> we can do that, though we have to pick a pokemon to use sr then [22:16:40] <&elevator_music> lileep is the obvious choice, ferroseed works too (but lileep is 'better') [22:16:57] <&elevator_music> a certain user that i dont want to hl that just went afk will probably object but [22:17:07] I feel retarded [22:17:10] blaranig? [22:17:14] not knowing what sr is [22:17:14] <&elevator_music> the only concern i have with that [22:17:24] <&elevator_music> is that when you're using sand and playing a hail team [22:17:29] SR = Stealth Rock [22:17:34] oh [22:17:35] OH [22:17:38] <&elevator_music> the opponent will usually just switch snover in against hippopotas on the turn you would sr [22:17:53] <&elevator_music> idk [22:17:58] <&elevator_music> i guess what im saying is [22:18:00] what beats snover then [22:18:11] * Audiosurfer (Mibbit@E24A64DB.636F1225.540BC7C2.IP) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [22:18:14] <&elevator_music> actually idk im really tired blarajan come here [22:18:14] not lileep [22:18:30] <&elevator_music> but i dont have an objection to running sr on lileep (or using lileep, its really good and dumb not to use in sand) [22:12:44] <@blarajan> stop talking about beldum [22:12:51] <@blarajan> sand is an important metagame condition [22:12:52] no low kick tho [22:12:54] Defensive sand with drilbur could be cool [22:12:55] <@blarajan> so i'm very okay building a sand team [22:13:04] <@blarajan> we should definitely teach with that [22:13:15] * Audiosurfer (Mibbit@E24A64DB.636F1225.540BC7C2.IP) has joined #littlecup [22:13:27] ok what have i misse [22:13:29] d [22:13:45] <&macle> we are using drillbur [22:13:47] <+PoJ> They're building sand I think [22:13:50] <+PoJ> Sub SD Drilbur [22:13:51] kk [22:13:51] <&macle> thats what you missed [22:14:00] <&elevator_music> ok [22:14:16] <&elevator_music> so obviously we have to use hippopotas as well [22:14:31] <@blarajan> ok brb [22:14:41] <@blarajan> sr eq slack off whirlwind btw [22:14:45] zubat? [22:14:47] <@blarajan> crunch is retarded and toxic not worth it [22:14:52] <@blarajan> brb [22:15:14] i'm not into LC but [22:18:37] <@blarajan> what [22:18:38] <@blarajan> fuck you [22:18:42] <@blarajan> i'm tired too >.< [22:18:46] <&elevator_music> ok [22:18:57] <@blarajan> what are we doing [22:18:59] <@blarajan> for the record [22:19:00] <&elevator_music> if we're going to use a move over sr on hippo [22:19:08] <@blarajan> then put sr on something else [22:19:11] <&elevator_music> then i would suggest rock slide to hit snover on the switchin [22:19:13] <@blarajan> i'd veer against it [22:19:13] rock slide for snover? [22:19:14] <@blarajan> oh [22:19:15] yeah [22:19:15] <@blarajan> no fuck that [22:19:26] <@blarajan> superpower ohkoes [22:19:27] and hit murk [22:19:35] <&elevator_music> superpower works too i guess... [22:19:43] <&elevator_music> has dumb coverage with eq but w/e [22:19:48] <@blarajan> 0 Atk Hippopotas Superpower vs 0 HP/0 Def Snover: 100% - 118.18% (Guaranteed OHKO) [22:19:51] <@blarajan> but if you want it to hit snover [22:19:54] <@blarajan> you're fucking ohkoing [22:20:04] <@blarajan> plus an attack point on hippo and hp on snover [22:20:06] <@blarajan> it kills anyways [22:20:09] <&elevator_music> and then on lileep run giga drain/recover/ancientpower/sr [22:20:11] <&elevator_music> ? [22:20:17] <@blarajan> i don't know are we using lileep [22:20:28] thx to my input yes =) [22:20:37] either lileep or ferroseed [22:20:37] yeah mcmeghan wanted to use an sR user that pressured Staryu [22:20:46] <@blarajan> yeah lileep is fine [22:20:48] but lileep is better [22:20:50] <@blarajan> yeah @ what you said em [22:20:53] <@blarajan> okay [22:20:55] <@blarajan> here's the deal [22:20:59] Yay our whole team is iceweak noe [22:21:02] <@blarajan> when we're using lileep [22:21:11] <@blarajan> giga drain, recover, and toxic are necessities [22:21:14] <@blarajan> we have a few options in this last slot [22:21:28] why Toxik ? [22:21:28] <&elevator_music> the ice weak isnt too problematic, since snover is literally the only common pokemon that uses ice moves [22:21:34] (i'm asking as a LC Noob) [22:21:35] True [22:21:37] <@blarajan> because toxic is the absolute best move on lileep ever [22:21:38] * IAR (Mibbit@DACF4086.D4E670AA.EC5D7384.IP) Quit (Quit: BIAR!) [22:21:42] yeh but [22:21:44] <@blarajan> it needs it to threaten like everything [22:21:45] any reason ? [22:21:45] <@blarajan> and to hurt mienfoo [22:21:51] between leech seed and ancientpower imo [22:21:52] <@blarajan> and to hurt murkrow when it roosts [22:21:59] We said were getting lileep for sr right..? So that in the last spot [22:22:00] <@blarajan> lileep doesn't use leech seed [22:22:05] <@blarajan> if you want to leech seed on the switch [22:22:07] <@blarajan> toxic instead [22:22:12] <@blarajan> you have giga drain and recover for healing [22:22:13] <@blarajan> ANYWAYS [22:22:18] <@blarajan> you use in the last slot [22:22:20] <@blarajan> ancient power [22:22:25] <@blarajan> for STAB, krow, or larvesta etc [22:22:28] <&elevator_music> thats an easy choice because it doesnt get leech seed does it? [22:22:30] <@blarajan> hp fire for ferroseed if that's an issue [22:22:32] <@blarajan> OR [22:22:33] giga drain / recover / toxic / sr [22:22:34] <@blarajan> earth power [22:22:38] <@blarajan> for croagunk [22:22:39] <@blarajan> magnemite [22:22:42] <@blarajan> tentacool [22:22:46] ancient power [22:22:47] <@blarajan> oh [22:22:48] <@blarajan> fuck [22:22:48] ya Lileep doesn't even get Leech Seed [22:22:48] voltorb [22:22:50] * chenn (~chenn@so.different.yet.so.exciting) has joined #littlecup [22:22:50] <@merp> oh [22:22:50] you're on a sand team [22:22:52] Yeah we said we were getting lileep for sr, so idk... [22:22:53] <@blarajan> we don't have sr on hippo do we [22:22:54] yeah :< [22:22:54] <@blarajan> >.< [22:22:55] what about his fast ass [22:22:55] <@merp> is there a teambuilding session? [22:23:02] <@blarajan> DAMMIT [22:23:02] <@blarajan> okay [22:23:03] yes [22:23:06] <@blarajan> sr toxic giga drain recover [22:23:08] <@blarajan> that's about it [22:23:08] <@merp> wht mon did we pick [22:23:09] <@merp> lol [22:23:10] <@blarajan> never mind [22:23:13] <@blarajan> sub sd drilbur, prem [22:23:15] drillbur [22:23:18] <@merp> thats boring [22:23:22] voltorb outspeeds all of little cup [22:23:23] <@blarajan> yeah well we have to build sand at least once [22:23:35] it's also voltorb [22:23:42] which is its main problem [22:23:46] <@blarajan> that's a nice observation, pikachu [22:23:48] <@merp> its hippo lileep drilbur murkrow missy croagunk [22:23:49] <@merp> lol [22:23:50] <@blarajan> but voltorb is also really awful [22:23:51] <@blarajan> shut up prem [22:23:55] lol [22:23:57] <@merp> okay [22:23:59] <@merp> fine [22:24:02] <@blarajan> ok so hippo we're using [22:24:13] <@blarajan> eq slack off whirlwind superpower? [22:24:14] <&elevator_music> drilbur outspeeds everything in sand too :) [22:24:20] <@blarajan> >.< [22:24:22] voltorb has a usable movepool [22:24:24] <@blarajan> well [22:24:25] <@blarajan> actually [22:24:31] <@blarajan> rock slide is probably better cause it hits misdreavus [22:24:32] <@blarajan> yeah [22:24:34] <@blarajan> fuck superpower [22:24:35] <&elevator_music> its really weak and frail though, which is more important :( [22:24:37] <@blarajan> that ohkoe's not worth it [22:24:38] <@merp> use crunch [22:24:39] <@merp> lol [22:24:42] <@blarajan> no it's for snover [22:24:47] <&elevator_music> anyways [22:24:48] <@blarajan> 0 Atk Hippopotas Rock Slide vs 0 HP/0 Def Snover: 63.64% - 81.82% (2 hits to KO) [22:24:50] <@blarajan> see this is annoying [22:25:00] <&elevator_music> its fine [22:25:02] <&elevator_music> hippopotas/drilbur/lileep [22:25:03] <@merp> doesnt hippo always run some attack investment [22:25:07] <@blarajan> yeah but i'm lazy [22:25:07] If you assume sr it takes very little to make that an ohko [22:25:10] <@merp> and just hurting snover is enough [22:25:17] plus if sr is up [22:25:20] <&elevator_music> the next step is to pick something that can come and threaten snover [22:25:23] snover is dead [22:25:28] <@blarajan> em [22:25:29] <@blarajan> prem [22:25:31] <@blarajan> moocle [22:25:34] <@blarajan> you can handle this session? [22:25:35] <&macle> hi [22:25:35] <&elevator_music> since snover is literally the biggest threat to a sand team [22:25:37] <&elevator_music> yeah sure [22:25:38] <@blarajan> please? [22:25:39] <@blarajan> k [22:25:40] <@blarajan> thanks [22:25:43] <@merp> ya i got it [22:25:43] <@blarajan> gotta bolt sorry [22:25:46] <&elevator_music> its k [22:25:49] <@merp> bye blara :D [22:25:51] * FLCL (Mibbit@synIRC-81F47170.bchsia.telus.net) has joined #littlecup [22:25:51] <@blarajan> bye guys [22:25:53] <@blarajan> good luck with this team [22:25:54] larvitar is in lc right [22:25:57] <@blarajan> it's sand so it really won't be too hard [22:25:58] y [22:25:59] <@merp> yes it is [22:26:00] <&elevator_music> so now, what are pokemon that can switch in on snover [22:26:00] <+PoJ> Yeah [22:26:01] <@blarajan> yes it is, pikachu! [22:26:03] * @blarajan (~blarajan@synIRC-A5C268B1.wireless.umd.edu) Quit (Quit: ) [22:26:10] uh [22:26:10] * FLCL (Mibbit@synIRC-81F47170.bchsia.telus.net) has left #littlecup [22:26:13] hm [22:26:17] <@merp> i would answer but i dont think im supposed [22:26:18] <@merp> to lol [22:26:20] houndour? [22:26:24] <&elevator_music> you can if you want [22:26:26] idk [22:26:26] <@merp> unless you use shitty evio [22:26:28] <@merp> no [22:26:32] n [22:26:39] manly LO Houndour is the only set [22:26:49] <@merp> oka [22:26:50] <&elevator_music> houndour is a bit too frail for the job, especially in sand with lo [22:26:54] <@merp> you guys arent answering [22:26:55] <@merp> so [22:26:56] larvesta? [22:27:00] slugma [22:27:04] nowait [22:27:04] <&elevator_music> larvesta is an option [22:27:06] <@merp> larveseta, magnemite, bronzor [22:27:13] <&elevator_music> tbh slugma probably could work but its really poor otherwise [22:27:21] <&elevator_music> it does get recovery though lol [22:27:24] * Ace_Attorney (~Ace_@synIRC-EFAEA8B7.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #littlecup [22:27:29] Lol [22:27:30] numel [22:27:32] <@merp> lol [22:27:33] <@merp> it does? [22:27:35] has ground fire [22:27:36] larvesta can take a hit and immediately scare out snover and scout etc [22:27:41] <&elevator_music> numel is 2hkoed by blizzard [22:27:42] it has recover prem iirc [22:27:44] oh [22:27:46] <@merp> damn [22:27:47] crap [22:28:03] <@merp> we cuold [22:28:04] <@merp> use [22:28:06] <@merp> like [22:28:09] <@merp> ponyta [22:28:10] <@merp> ll [22:28:12] <&elevator_music> larvesta works, although then we need to dedicate a slot for a spinner [22:28:17] true [22:28:26] <&elevator_music> which isnt a huge problem [22:28:27] * Snowflakes is now known as Snowflakes22 [22:28:28] <@merp> i would say magby [22:28:29] <@merp> but [22:28:30] <&elevator_music> but something to consider [22:28:31] <&elevator_music> lol [22:28:35] <@merp> thats as frail as houndour [22:28:35] <@merp> lol [22:28:42] <@merp> !pstats magby [22:28:42] <+pstats> Magby [Fire] Flame Body/Vital Spirit (DW) | 45/75/37/70/55/83 | LC | GK/LK: 40 BP [22:28:46] <@merp> !pstats houndour [22:28:46] <+pstats> Houndour [Dark/Fire] Early Bird/Flash Fire/Unnerve (DW) | 45/60/30/80/50/65 | LC | GK/LK: 40 BP [22:28:57] sup [22:28:59] magby 2 bulky [22:29:00] <&elevator_music> why are both of those pokemon bulkier than slugma -.- [22:29:02] i inherited sc's 22 [22:29:07] !slugma [22:29:08] !pstats slugma [22:29:08] <+pstats> Slugma [Fire] Magma Armor/Flame Body/Weak Armor (DW) | 40/40/40/70/40/20 | LC | GK/LK: 60 BP [22:29:11] !pstats slugma [22:29:11] <+pstats> Slugma [Fire] Magma Armor/Flame Body/Weak Armor (DW) | 40/40/40/70/40/20 | LC | GK/LK: 60 BP [22:29:12] <@merp> !lol [22:29:13] oop [22:29:16] <@merp> they arent more physical bulky [22:29:28] those 40/40/40 defenses lol [22:29:29] <&elevator_music> we're using them for snover though :S [22:29:43] !pstats larvesta [22:29:43] <+pstats> Larvesta [Bug/Fire] Flame Body/Swarm (DW, Unreleased) | 55/85/55/50/55/60 | LC | GK/LK: 60 BP [22:29:45] <&elevator_music> another option is umm [22:29:46] <&elevator_music> pawniard [22:29:47] <&macle> MUNCHIE [22:29:52] <@merp> MUNCHLAX [22:29:52] <&elevator_music> and munchlax! [22:29:56] munch :> [22:29:57] <&elevator_music> so we have [22:29:59] Pawniard strongth [22:30:00] <@merp> i call a vote for munchlax [22:30:00] does snover run wood hammer [22:30:02] <@merp> no [22:30:05] <&elevator_music> larvesta/magnemite/bronzor/munchlax/pawniard [22:30:09] <@merp> it runs blizzard ice shard giga drain filler [22:30:09] I say yes to munchlax [22:30:10] <&elevator_music> those are all pretty good choices [22:30:12] Although I thought we were going for a more defensive team [22:30:16] <@merp> nah [22:30:17] Lax IMO [22:30:18] <&elevator_music> munchlax is cool, im a fan [22:30:33] <&macle> man ive made like half this team [22:30:34] <@merp> this team is more beat things that stop eivo drillbur from winning [22:30:46] knock off [22:30:47] <@merp> and then use evio drilbur and win [22:30:48] can work [22:30:53] <&elevator_music> thats usually the goal of sand hehe [22:30:55] <&elevator_music> yeah [22:30:55] i thought that was sand [22:31:08] <@merp> no one uses evio drilbur on standard sand. [22:31:12] * Snowflakes22 is now known as Snowflakes [22:31:12] <@merp> well no one i know lol [22:31:15] <&elevator_music> ok, munchlax is cool [22:31:25] lickitung [22:31:31] wants peanut butter [22:31:34] <&elevator_music> we should pick a spread that can hit hard and take blizzards comfortably [22:31:36] * blarajan (~blarajan@synIRC-A5C268B1.wireless.umd.edu) has joined #littlecup [22:31:37] * Cerberus sets mode: +o blarajan [22:31:41] * @blarajan (~blarajan@synIRC-A5C268B1.wireless.umd.edu) Quit (Client exited) [22:31:44] <@merp> 236 atk 236 spd [22:31:45] <@merp> ! [22:31:50] lol [22:31:52] !!! [22:32:06] who resists ice x4 [22:32:08] <&elevator_music> hahah ok, investing in hp might be better but ya [22:32:10] <@merp> umm [22:32:15] <+Hawkstar> spheal [22:32:18] what set, return/eq/firepunch/filler? [22:32:24] or is munchlax different this gen [22:32:30] <@merp> focus punch body slam fire punch seed bomb [22:32:31] <@merp> LGI [22:32:37] <@merp> lets not take that seriously js [22:32:51] <&macle> use the vader spread [22:32:57] <&macle> weed and sandwich [22:33:03] <@merp> i just know [22:33:05] <&elevator_music> i dont think anything 4x resists ice in lc [22:33:08] <@merp> we should run focus punch [22:33:11] <&elevator_music> without thick fat anyways [22:33:12] <@merp> because its vade [22:33:14] <@merp> spheal [22:33:14] <@merp> lol [22:33:17] <&elevator_music> blara will throw a fit [22:33:21] <&elevator_music> oh right spheal [22:33:23] spheal is godtier [22:33:26] <&elevator_music> we arent running that though -.- [22:33:31] <@merp> man [22:33:32] <@merp> we should run [22:33:39] <@merp> hydrarest seal [22:33:49] <&elevator_music> on a sand team x.x [22:33:51] <@merp> seel [22:33:53] <@merp> i kno [22:33:54] Lol [22:33:55] <@merp> its a sand team [22:33:56] <@merp> so we cant do that [22:34:02] tenta can switch into snover [22:34:04] and spin too [22:34:29] i assume it can take giga drain at least [22:34:31] could be wrong [22:34:34] <&elevator_music> i like munchie because it can pursuit snover [22:34:35] So ATM we have munchlax/lileep/hippo/drilbur Right? [22:34:39] <@merp> yes [22:34:39] true [22:34:41] <+PoJ> Liquid Ooze :3 [22:34:41] get a steel type [22:34:42] <@merp> now [22:34:45] it needs it [22:34:51] <@merp> we need to not get buttfucked by fighting attacks [22:34:54] <&elevator_music> what we need is [22:34:55] <&elevator_music> yea [22:34:56] missy [22:35:01] <&elevator_music> lol something to switch into fighting-types [22:35:04] * %Raseri (Tali@Normandy.SR1) Quit (Ping timeout) [22:35:09] <&elevator_music> we also need a solid method of handling [22:35:09] so missy [22:35:11] <&macle> miss [22:35:13] :x [22:35:14] <&macle> gastly [22:35:16] Fuck missy :( [22:35:19] <&elevator_music> bronzor, shroomish, and foongus [22:35:19] <&macle> drif [22:35:27] oh true [22:35:31] therre is also lil slowking [22:35:31] Gastly pro, but idk about sand gastly [22:35:33] larvesta does that :o [22:35:43] <@merp> sand gastly works [22:35:44] murk too [22:35:48] <@merp> but gastly [22:35:53] <@merp> isnt used with miss around [22:35:56] <@merp> unless we wanna be vader [22:35:59] <@merp> DOUBLE SCARF GHOST [22:36:04] <&elevator_music> stop c.c [22:36:05] lol [22:36:08] <&macle> o [22:36:11] <&macle> double scarf [22:36:15] <&macle> i just use double ghost [22:36:22] krow/missy is the really easy way to round out this team but that's boring [22:36:29] really boring [22:37:09] <&elevator_music> we could also just run larvesta+staryu [22:37:10] <&elevator_music> -.- [22:37:23] <&macle> gay [22:37:26] <&macle> i hate spinning [22:37:27] <&elevator_music> it leaves us a little weak to murkrow though [22:37:29] <&macle> more than blacks [22:37:44] <&elevator_music> yea well running larvesta on a sand team without a spinner is dumber than you [22:37:47] <&elevator_music> ... [22:38:02] <&macle> hey [22:38:05] <&macle> this team [22:38:06] <&macle> is like [22:38:07] <&macle> mine [22:38:09] <&macle> legit [22:38:17] <@merp> its like... a standard sand team!?? [22:38:24] we could do shelmet [22:38:31] <&macle> we are using sub sd [22:38:33] larvesta/staryu is more interesting [22:38:35] <&macle> the best [22:38:35] let's do that [22:38:37] <@merp> shelmet is cool but [22:38:39] it takes on fighters and hp flying helps with grass types [22:38:46] <&elevator_music> so does bug buzz .-. [22:38:48] <@merp> murkrow weakness [22:38:56] <@merp> hp flying also hits fighting types [22:38:57] <@merp> lol [22:38:59] hp flying > bug buzz [22:39:32] <&elevator_music> hp flying is really only necessary to truly counter scraggy, who in sand wont be an issue :( [22:39:41] <&elevator_music> shelmet will just stall out the other fighters anyways [22:40:54] <@merp> scraggy is an issue to all teams :( [22:41:12] scraggy should have stayed gone [22:41:14] but i digress [22:43:01] alright then [22:43:14] larvesta / staryu or shelmet / krow check [22:43:31] I'd go Shelmet [22:43:53] * &alan (~alan@synIRC-B314224B.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout) [22:44:28] we need a spinner for lavesta, does shelmet spin [22:44:35] <+PoJ> No [22:44:41] didn't think so [22:44:48] I'm saying not larvesta [22:44:50] * alan (~alan@synIRC-B314224B.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #littlecup [22:44:50] * Cerberus sets mode: +ao alan alan [22:45:21] Also I could totally get my wish of Cranidos, cause it beats krow mostly [22:45:38] archen :> [22:45:39] <&elevator_music> the team right now is [22:45:48] <&elevator_music> hippopotas/drilbur/lileep/munchlax [22:45:48] <&elevator_music> ? [22:45:52] Y [22:46:11] <&elevator_music> if thats the case [22:46:24] <&elevator_music> murkrow only becomes an issue if we add pokemon that have big problems with it [22:46:46] Yeah some people were saying add Shelmet and somethin to beat krow [22:46:51] Idk [22:46:55] <&elevator_music> hippo can rock slide, drilbur can sub (it can only hit it with shadow claw but w/e), lileep should be able to stall it out, munchie beats it one on one [22:47:09] are we going rock slide > superpower [22:47:14] <&elevator_music> yeah [22:47:18] k [22:47:30] <&elevator_music> is someone building this btw? [22:47:38] <&elevator_music> if not thats ok but [22:48:30] i am [22:48:51] are the evs standard [22:48:55] <&elevator_music> yeah, probably [22:49:55] <&elevator_music> we do really need something that threatens those grass-types [22:50:14] Shelmet! [22:50:51] <&elevator_music> that doesnt really threaten them too much though :( [22:50:55] <&elevator_music> i mean it does but [22:51:05] * Ace_Attorney (~Ace_@synIRC-EFAEA8B7.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Quit: ) [22:51:32] <&elevator_music> one option is natu [22:51:42] <&elevator_music> shelmet is cool too [22:51:45] <&elevator_music> dont get me wrong [22:51:51] natu could work [22:51:51] <&elevator_music> and if you guys want to use it we should! [22:52:09] Hm are there any viable bugs other than Shelmet as lavesta? [22:52:27] <&elevator_music> natu, larvesta, shelmet, a murkrow all fit some criteria we're looking for [22:52:29] <&elevator_music> ummmmmm [22:52:33] <@merp> skorpi is fun [22:52:40] <&elevator_music> dwebble but [22:52:42] <@merp> but no recovery makes it not perfect [22:54:05] Hm are there any legit fliers that resist fighting? [22:54:10] <@merp> nope [22:54:15] <&elevator_music> numel also threatens those three trouble pokemon [22:54:16] <@merp> lol [22:54:25] <&elevator_music> though doesnt help with fighters [22:54:32] I mentioned numel earlier [22:54:36] <@merp> numel, the scraggy bait [22:55:10] <&elevator_music> numel usually wins one on one if scraggy is coming in on it lol [22:55:40] give it hp fighting then [22:55:46] :o [22:55:50] <&elevator_music> anyways im fine with shelmet if you guys want to use it [22:56:00] Shelmet seems cool [22:56:13] <&elevator_music> then we just need something that checks murkrow and can also threaten bronzor/grass-types [22:56:28] <&elevator_music> because shelmet can do those but in a very loose sense of the word threaten [22:56:38] Cranidos beats bronzor and krow! [22:56:40] <&elevator_music> and just making foongus switch out doesnt really help you beat it :S [22:57:06] Doesn't do shit vs grasses though [22:57:10] * Borogoves (~cgiirc@synIRC-6F19C092.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) [22:57:40] numel [22:57:41] go [22:57:55] <&elevator_music> numel cant switch in to murkrow though :( [22:58:10] fire stab to kill bronzor [22:58:17] murkrow trolls [22:58:22] unless [22:58:30] <&elevator_music> anyways [22:58:31] * HSA (Mibbit@as.cool.as.an.ice.mongoose) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [22:58:34] numel snuck in a simple flame charge [22:58:34] <&elevator_music> the obvious choice is magnemite [22:59:01] Mm then were too reliant on Shelmet to sponge fighting hits [22:59:13] pikachu that requires investing in speed [22:59:42] <&elevator_music> idk [22:59:44] !pstats shelmet [22:59:45] <+pstats> Shelmet [Bug] Hydration/Shell Armor/Overcoat (DW) | 50/40/85/40/65/25 | LC | GK/LK: 20 BP [22:59:52] <&elevator_music> hippopotas can switch in on weaker mienfoo and croagunk [22:59:58] True [23:01:08] <&elevator_music> so [23:01:18] <&elevator_music> hippopotas/lileep/drilbur/munchlax/shelmet/magnemite [23:01:23] <&elevator_music> anyone see any problems there? [23:01:31] <&elevator_music> macle prem [23:01:45] whats munchlax's purpose [23:01:51] * +PoJ (Mibbit@50F2C7AE.CBDFB7DA.2EA3D806.IP) Quit (Quit: Bed :p) [23:01:58] <&elevator_music> destroy snover [23:02:03] good [23:02:04] does any of that really beat krow [23:02:17] Mahnemite [23:02:18] <&elevator_music> magnemite will beat the variants that are annoying [23:02:27] <&elevator_music> mixkrow will die really fast [23:02:39] unless magnemite is killed first [23:02:41] <&elevator_music> and can only come in on shelmet anyways [23:03:05] wha set on magnemite [23:03:10] *what [23:03:15] <&elevator_music> bulky eviolite [23:03:22] <&elevator_music> you can just take whatever we used before [23:03:23] kk [23:03:28] <&elevator_music> i think in the first teambuilding session [23:04:19] <&elevator_music> so are we done? [23:04:26] I guess? [23:04:32] <&elevator_music> alright then [23:04:35] <&elevator_music> sand is really easy in lc [23:04:39] Lol [23:04:55] Needs moar Cranidos, but good enough :) [23:05:05] magnemite can take snover too [23:05:11] <&elevator_music> hippo drilbur, then cover snover and major major pokemon (murkrow, usually missy, fighting types, water types that are usually beat by lileep or ferro) [23:05:39] <&elevator_music> most other offensive pokemon arent an issue because drilbur can easily revenge them [23:05:47] how do you beat other sand though [23:05:49] :o [23:05:50] <&elevator_music> oh also you need to take out the few pokemon that can beat drilbur heh, of course [23:06:05] <&elevator_music> thats a valid question! [23:06:06] <&elevator_music> idk [23:06:14] * askaninjask (ninjask@y.slash.n) has joined #littlecup [23:06:14] * Cerberus sets mode: +h askaninjask [23:06:31] Other sand looks scary [23:06:34] <&elevator_music> i guess we'll have to play carefully against it, though i think both hippo and lileep can take +2 eqs [23:06:39] Maybe we should do something about that [23:06:52] add a water type [23:07:04] or a cloud nine lickitung [23:07:40] <&elevator_music> neither of those really help except maybe slowpoke (but thats basically the same as lileep as far as beating drilbur goes) [23:07:42] * PDC_ (~PDC@synIRC-6B8CCB1F.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Client exited) [23:08:00] <&elevator_music> anyways if you want to replace a pokemon, munchlax is the poke that should go [23:08:11] * PDC_ (~PDC@synIRC-6B8CCB1F.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) has joined #littlecup [23:08:15] <&elevator_music> for a poke that can check drilbur (and preferably isnt scared of snover) [23:08:21] * RayJay (~RayJay@synIRC-529E4D6D.hlrn.qwest.net) has joined #littlecup [23:08:21] * Cerberus sets mode: +ao RayJay RayJay [23:08:30] <&elevator_music> i think the team is fine though [23:08:32] * &macle (macle@If.youll.be.my.Louisiana.Ill.be.your.Mississippi) Quit (Quit: ) [23:08:36] <&elevator_music> with careful play other sand wont be too bad [23:08:39] drilbur can get in on mite and sweep [23:08:43] <&elevator_music> you can run jolly drilbur if you're really scared [23:08:53] <&elevator_music> just sac magnemite? [23:08:59] * +DTC (Mibbit@synIRC-1874D317.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: :() [23:09:04] <&elevator_music> it probably wont be too useful against an opposing sand team [23:09:19] magnemite has levitate [23:09:23] <&RayJay> no it doesnt [23:09:24] no [23:09:24] ... [23:09:29] oh [23:09:33] it doesnt? [23:09:38] ... [23:09:53] * Skitten (~cgiirc@synIRC-C2E72C2A.cpe.powergate.ca) has joined #littlecup [23:10:00] * imanalt|phone (~imanaltph@synIRC-A681052C.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi) [23:10:45] never used one [23:10:53] just assumed it had levitate [23:11:19] I suck [23:11:21] night [23:11:35] * Pikachu (Pikachu@filthy.rat) Quit (Quit: ResTalk) [23:11:56] <&RayJay> that escalated quickly [23:12:07] <&elevator_music> anyways [23:12:23] <&elevator_music> rayjay, hippo/drilbur/lileep/munchlax/shelmet/magnemite [23:12:43] <&RayJay> does drilbur have spin [23:13:22] <&elevator_music> no :( [23:13:23] <&elevator_music> sub sd [23:13:37] <&RayJay> then what switches into knock off mienfoo when sr is up [23:13:47] <&elevator_music> hippo? [23:14:07] <&RayJay> and it gets knocked off tho [23:14:13] <&RayJay> which sucks [23:14:22] <&elevator_music> still walls weaker mienfoo [23:14:30] <&elevator_music> and offensive wont be a problem for drilbur [23:14:42] <&RayJay> ok [23:14:44] * imanalt|phone (~imanaltph@synIRC-A681052C.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) has joined #littlecup [23:15:00] <&elevator_music> idk, sand is boring [23:15:03] <&RayJay> i still am always hesitant about shelmet when you dont have sr, but it looks good nonetheless [23:15:11] <&elevator_music> ulysses do you have the team build [23:15:14] <&elevator_music> yeah me too usually [23:15:19] * Deinosaur (~Deinosaur@5059EB2E.8D70E2B7.ACEBAC07.IP) has joined #littlecup [23:15:22] <&elevator_music> but idk, not much to do about it i guess [23:15:28] no sorry i'm distracted between a bunch of stuff [23:15:35] Lileep should have sr... [23:15:38] <&elevator_music> its fine [23:15:48] <&elevator_music> he means spin hehe [23:15:51] Oh [23:15:52] <&RayJay> no spin [23:15:53] <&RayJay> sorry [23:15:54] <&RayJay> as in [23:15:58] <&RayJay> when sr is up on your side [23:16:00] Mmm [23:16:01] <&RayJay> and you dont have spin [23:16:02] <&RayJay> my bad [23:16:58] <&elevator_music> anyways, im thinking the team is good enough to call this done [23:17:08] Yeah [23:17:15] * DTC (Mibbit@synIRC-1874D317.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #littlecup [23:17:15] * Cerberus sets mode: +v DTC [23:17:21] <&elevator_music> ill note that opposing sand and knock off mienfoo might be tricky though