moondog = Karim

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<moondog> Hello?
<knobbles> hello.
<hamster_nipple> hi
<Espeon> HEllo.
<hamster_nipple> karim?
>moondog< CTCP VERSION
<hamster_nipple> MOONDOG
<hamster_nipple> WAKE UP LAD
<moondog> Can't talk now but wanted to connect. Need to discuss. Yes  it's Karim. 
<moondog> You guys on perpetually?
<hamster_nipple> yes
<hamster_nipple> before you leave
<hamster_nipple> what did you want to talk to us about?
<moondog> Ok
<hamster_nipple> moondog ?
<Espeon> LimeChat for iPhone... client of kings...
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<moondog_> Short version: need assurance you guys aren't hired by my competitors. 
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<knobbles> If we had a bank account I'd show you that we got no payments from your competitors.
<Espeon> If we were hired by your competitors, we'd be taking their money and taking your company down
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<moondog> If you guys have the philosophy that you have lead me to believe then I rather shut my company down rather than let them have my data.
<knobbles> Just out of curiousity, which philosophy might that be kind sir
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<Espeon> his iPhone seems to be really bad at connecting
<moondog> It would seem you have some level of concern that this data could be used to destroy (Libya as an example) which is far more my competitors agenda. How do I know you are not taking their money?
<knobbles> We might destroy companies but we stick to our words. Which we can't say of most people in your branch.
<Espeon> it would be best not to further question the people that are giving you a chance
<Espeon> we talked yesterday about not fucking up the situation
<Espeon> we're not working with anyone you know or will ever know, that's our word and that's it
<moondog> To what end is having the botnet data going to help. My understanding will help me better get an idea of how to cooperate. 
<Espeon> we like botnets, we like data
<Espeon> we like crushing things; we like inside info
* Espeon shrugs
<moondog> Can you help me figure out which botnets to go after?  It is darts for me today. Maybe you can give me focus. 
<Espeon> what's your status with Mariposa?
<moondog> Trying to get custody of the domains. Davis still has the vast majority. Davis is now Endgames. 
<Espeon> yes heard about Chris joining from that conference; seems a lapse in technical skill
<Espeon> hamster_nipple will have our exact botnet goals
<moondog> Yep. 
<moondog> See
<moondog> Understood. 
<moondog> Matt is really the talent behind Davis. That is why I have him. He is good. 
<Espeon> we just want to have a better understanding of the situation, hopefully you can find a way to get connected here frequently
<moondog> I will.
<Espeon> each of us does have a copy of a very indepth compilation of your company data, there is no copy on the cloud and everything is behind encryption
<Espeon> nothing can be accidentally leaked
<Espeon> at this point we're not using any of it to gain leverage in other places
<moondog> Ok. Thank you. 
<moondog> Does Oakbot mean anything to you guys?  We think it might be an alias to Qakbot. 
<Espeon> you're right
<moondog> Fuck. That was a wild guess!!
<Espeon> mainly we don't want anything specifically
<Espeon> see, if given the chance to eliminate or expose your competitors
<Espeon> we will go off on our own tangent, leverage, to acquire what we need
<Espeon> this is the inside info part
<hamster_nipple> hi
<knobbles> Give us all the info you can get and we will do with it what we can. Which is usually a lot.
<moondog> Hello. 
<moondog> Can I take a guess at who you are? 
<Espeon> Karim
<Espeon> we've been expecting you to be secretly guessing since day 1
<Espeon> do share
<moondog> 808chan. 
<hamster_nipple> ROFL
<Espeon> heh, you think we're *chan insurgency?
<hamster_nipple> are you serious bro
<hamster_nipple> how dare you
<Espeon> that's funny shit
<hamster_nipple> call us a fucking chan
<hamster_nipple> we're beyond chans bro
<moondog> :)
<moondog> Then tell me. 
<knobbles> D: /i/ all the wa.. i mean wait what
<hamster_nipple> moondog
<hamster_nipple> if we tell you who we are
<hamster_nipple> you will shit yourself and shut the fuck up
<hamster_nipple> but yes we are very well known
<Espeon> I like Karim
<Espeon> he's very comical
<hamster_nipple> I'm offended he'd call us some fucking chan
<hamster_nipple> I feel like leaking his shit
<Espeon> at least it was 808, they're not the worst
<knobbles> LOL
<moondog> Lots of imposters out there. Extortion doesn't fit ur profile. 
<knobbles> Not the worst, everything is said by that.
<Espeon> our profile hits all ends of every spectrum
<hamster_nipple> moondog, what do you mean it doesn't fit our profile
<Espeon> anyway, chitchat aside, what's enxt
<hamster_nipple> what profile are you referring to
<hamster_nipple> because I feel like you're trying to social engineer us
<hamster_nipple> and we're sitting on all your emails
<hamster_nipple> so you're either the best social engineer on the planet
<hamster_nipple> or you're highly dense
<moondog> Why be hostile? Just curious. 
<hamster_nipple> we're not a chan
<hamster_nipple> don't refer to us as a chan
<hamster_nipple> we are security researchers
<moondog> No worries. You're not a chan. 
<hamster_nipple> heh
<hamster_nipple> you're testing my patience
<knobbles> Don't think you have to tell us we're not a chan. We're quite fine at knowing that ourselves.
<Espeon> well judging from the acute details of moondog's observations, let's just assume he's saved and reviewed what we've said to him and assigned a trusted individual to monitor for correlations in cyberspace
<hamster_nipple> anyway
<Espeon> sounds like typical whitehat search-and-fail
<hamster_nipple> absolutely
<Espeon> anyway, 808chan, time to check it out
<Espeon> maybe they've said something that looks like something we said?
<hamster_nipple> google 808chan and the word nipples
<hamster_nipple> maybe he googled it and got a result
<hamster_nipple> and correlated both
<hamster_nipple> I love whitehats.
<hamster_nipple> anyway karim
<hamster_nipple> we werent paid by your competitors
<Espeon> :x maybe he used Maltego and reverse grammar/word engines to find our Bebo nude pictures
<hamster_nipple> we straight up owned you and your company on our own
<hamster_nipple> because it is what we do
<hamster_nipple> we target whitehat security firms
<hamster_nipple> now
<hamster_nipple> lets move forward
<hamster_nipple> do you agree with this?
<Espeon> fun and games fun and games, but I'm bored, let's talk business
<moondog> Sure. Why is it called Oakbot?
<hamster_nipple> we don't give a fuck why its called oakbot
<hamster_nipple> when do we get access to the linode account again
<Espeon> why am I called Espeon, I prefer Digimon?
<hamster_nipple> I want to hop on those vms and monitor your bots
<knobbles> It was coded using a mobo that was made using an oaken hammer. Names do not have to mean anything or be interesting in any way.
<hamster_nipple> and its not even oakbot
<hamster_nipple> its qakbot
<moondog> Agreed. 
<hamster_nipple> you're playing with us karim?
<Espeon> I've seen some Oakbot and some Qakbot, probably someone dicking around
<moondog> Just seeing what is worth chasing. You spoke of partnership. Testing the waters. 
<hamster_nipple> stop fucking around
<hamster_nipple> thats it
<hamster_nipple> you don't need to test the waters
<hamster_nipple> WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS OBVIOUSLY OWNED YOU
<hamster_nipple> keep that in mind mate
<knobbles> So, we were talking business.
<knobbles> Now lets not talk about why it's called business and not bread.
<hamster_nipple> knobbles talk to him. I'm not in the mood for games
<hamster_nipple> see wtf he wants
<knobbles> So mate, we need all info we can get for the.. speciality... for your competition, agreed?
<hamster_nipple> knobbles, do you have the clip of his conference we hijacked?
<hamster_nipple> is it edited and ready to release?
<hamster_nipple> send him a link to the fun let him listen in on his internal communication with partners
<Espeon> no link
<hamster_nipple> maybe that'll wake him up
<Espeon> not ready
<Espeon> <-- that's me dude
<hamster_nipple> hai
<moondog> How did I offend?
<hamster_nipple> "Testing the waters"
<hamster_nipple> you don't need to test the waters
<knobbles> I got that one too espeon.
<hamster_nipple> when we're here wasting our time trying to help your ass out
<hamster_nipple> we told you we are willing to work with you on a relationship
<Espeon> I'll get an edited version that cuts out the 3 minutes those morons decided it would be a great idea to disconnect and reconnect
<hamster_nipple> ROFL
<hamster_nipple> HEY GUYS THE OPERATOR SAID JUST TO LEAVE AND COME BACK
<hamster_nipple> OK
<hamster_nipple> *everyone leaves conference*
<moondog> Fair enough. That was Deloitte not me. 
<knobbles> I did lol tho.
<hamster_nipple> yeah
<hamster_nipple> I laughed my balls off
<hamster_nipple> ok moondog
<hamster_nipple> so are we going to build a relationship with each other
<moondog> You know they never called me since. 
<hamster_nipple> or are you going to keep playing games?
<hamster_nipple> and sit on google googling our nicks hoping to correlate a link
* Espeon stretches from boredom
<Espeon> maybe we should just fuck Endgames and say it was Karim's fault
<moondog> Trying to move toward that and away from the threats. Doesnt help anyone. 
<hamster_nipple> LOL
<knobbles> Sorry but I am in fact bothered by the bullshit. We are not a chitchat club
<hamster_nipple> if we root endgames.us and link to karim
<hamster_nipple> that'll be lol
<knobbles> Can we get down to business
<hamster_nipple> ok karim no more threats. and no more games from you. thanks.
<Espeon> speed rooting Karim's affiliates? sounds like a fun time
<moondog> Done. 
<Espeon> threats over though, okay
<Espeon> all jelly and ice cream and bots and 0day from now on
<moondog> Sure. 
<hamster_nipple> so how do we help each other starting from today. karim?
<moondog> Help me choose to what to go after hamster_nipple. 
<hamster_nipple> regarding what? botnet wise?
<moondog> I am sure I will piss off others in this business. Yes. Botnets. I want your protection from others coming to get at the firm and me. Can you do that?
<Espeon> are you implying that this protection is destroying said "others"
<Espeon> or warding them off with fiery sticks?
<knobbles> we cannot make magical internets barriers
<knobbles> we can ruin something.
<Espeon> because you can knife a bear or point sticks at it until it goes away
<hamster_nipple> Ill give you examples
<hamster_nipple> you are working towards a contract
<hamster_nipple> a competitor comes out the left field and takes your shine
<hamster_nipple> or is going after the same contract
<hamster_nipple> tell us who they are
<hamster_nipple> tell us any details involved in the situation
<hamster_nipple> researcher names, emails, numbers if you know any
<hamster_nipple> if there are servers involved or accounts let us know any logins you may have or anything that will help our research
<hamster_nipple> we'll own them
<moondog> What about other botnet masters?
<hamster_nipple> we can go after them too
<hamster_nipple> we just need to know where they're running their c&Cs or sinkholes
<moondog> They are more likely to attack me. 
<moondog> Ok
<hamster_nipple> you just got to give us enough info to work with
<moondog> Understood. 
<knobbles> More info + more detailed info = better/faster
<hamster_nipple> we're a well talented well rounded group and the best thing is we work great together. so far our success rates have been decent
<hamster_nipple> what are we getting in return?
<moondog> Any group that of limits in the botnet world that I should leave alone?
<moondog> Information that we get. 
<moondog> Insider to us that we don't try to sell. 
<Espeon> want money for kills; we destroy then you pay
<hamster_nipple> moondog, we hold no affiliations with any other groups
<hamster_nipple> so by all means takeover the botnet of whoever the fuck
<moondog> Ok
<moondog> I can't ask you to get someone and stay a "legit" firm. Agreed?
<hamster_nipple> what do you mean
<hamster_nipple> are you saying you're scared of turning greyhat?
<hamster_nipple> lol
<Espeon> 35 years old? time to mix it up
<hamster_nipple> theres no so things as whitehats you guys are as corrupt as we are
<hamster_nipple> the only difference is we admit it
<moondog> Can't operate in the world I am in that way. 
<Espeon> whitehats are just blackhats that have board meetings with lengthy rhetoric
<hamster_nipple> and you get paid for it
<moondog> Lol. Agreed. 
<hamster_nipple> moondog, I understand where you are coming from
<knobbles> More to the point; if you're scared of feds on yoru doorstep: dont be.
<hamster_nipple> but the same way you have a relationship with matt who takes over botnets for you
<hamster_nipple> consider us a relationship who own shit
<moondog> I never said I don't agree with most of what you believe about the industry. 
<Espeon> immoral, sure, if this gets out it'll be the story of a company hiring a hit squad to hack competitors
<Espeon> that's why it won't get out
<hamster_nipple> moondog, do you have access to lexusnexus or similar information portals?
<moondog> Yes. I consider this a unique core competency. No I don't but may get it soon if I get some money. 
<hamster_nipple> I suggest you work to getting access it
<hamster_nipple> as we want to share it with you
<hamster_nipple> to*
<hamster_nipple> do you have access to anything interesting that we don't already know about? any governement portal/info searches
<hamster_nipple> anything that we can use
<Espeon> inside FBI alerts
<Espeon> want them
<Espeon> if applicable :)
<hamster_nipple> lol @ espeon I see what you did there
<moondog> They are all over me as of late. Think Paul freaked when it wasn't him logging in. 
<hamster_nipple> they aren't all over you like that trust me
<moondog> That CSFI is odd. 
<moondog> They took my data and ran. 
<hamster_nipple> really?
<hamster_nipple> should we target them/ ;)
<hamster_nipple> ?
<moondog> Well it was a bit odd. And I don't know their intent. I it was what you referred to, I regret giving them data. 
<moondog> I = If
<hamster_nipple> what data did you give them specifically?
<moondog> Seriously. That is not my game. 
<hamster_nipple> it was regarding the libyan project correct?
<hamster_nipple> espeon/knobbles: I suspect they are doing something very funky regarding libya
<knobbles> id like to get my hands on that tbh
<hamster_nipple> moondog: what data did you give them? botnet stats regarding libyan bots that are infected?
<hamster_nipple> or?
<moondog> Compromised hosts in Libya. 
<hamster_nipple> figured as much
<hamster_nipple> they're probably looking for libyan hosts that are infected that are probably high profile
<hamster_nipple> for use in penetrating libyan space
<moondog> Yep. 
<hamster_nipple> karim
<hamster_nipple> why would you do something like that ... knowing their intentions?
<hamster_nipple> did you feel you had to in order to continue doing business?
<hamster_nipple> honest question
<moondog> I didn't know the intent and was in marketing mode. I am truly starving guys. 
<hamster_nipple> I understand man
<hamster_nipple> thats why we're trying to help you
<hamster_nipple> but wow thats pretty fucked up @ csfi
<moondog> Be home shortly. Want to continue though. 
<hamster_nipple> ok lets continue this convo
<hamster_nipple> we have a lot to learn from each other
<moondog> Ok. Peace Hamster. Not yanking your chain man. Seriously. Bye for now. 
<Espeon> ;) bye bye business man
<hamster_nipple> ok we'll be here. hurry back :)
<knobbles> cya soon man