penguinx: problem is ladder is really bad
[8:31pm] penguinx: it hasnt been a true test of skill since shoddy
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[8:31pm] penguinx: because barely any tournament-level players ladder anymore
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[8:32pm] LonelyNess: every tournament-level player ladders
[8:32pm] LonelyNess: and the ladder isn't as bad as you think
[8:32pm] kd24: yes it is
[8:32pm] kd24: its complete ass lol
[8:32pm] penguinx: it really is
[8:32pm] LonelyNess: try getting top 5 penguinx, with a decently low deviation
[8:32pm] LonelyNess: It's harder than you think
[8:32pm] penguinx: with time, most people could do that
[8:33pm] LonelyNess: not really
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[8:34pm] LonelyNess: people like kd24 think the ladder is ass because they are in fact in probably the top 5% of players
[8:34pm] LonelyNess: so of course 95% of the players they face on the ladder
[8:34pm] LonelyNess: are going to be worse than them
[8:34pm] LonelyNess: that's the fucking point
[8:34pm] LonelyNess: you can't have a ladder full of only the top 5%
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[8:35pm] LonelyNess: for your average player
[8:35pm] LonelyNess: getting top 5 with a low deviation
[8:35pm] LonelyNess: IS
[8:35pm] LonelyNess: hard
[8:35pm] LonelyNess: if not impossible
[8:35pm] LonelyNess: and if it wasn't hard
[8:35pm] LonelyNess: then the top 5 of any ladder would be filled with randoms
[8:35pm] LonelyNess: constantly changing
[8:35pm] penguinx: that is probably the case
[8:35pm] penguinx: right now
[8:35pm] LonelyNess: you just admitted that you don't ladder
[8:36pm] LonelyNess: so you don't even fucking know that's the case
[8:36pm] LonelyNess: so shut up about it lol
[8:36pm] penguinx: what?
[8:36pm] penguinx: just because i dont ladder
[8:36pm] penguinx: doesn't mean im not allowed to comment on whether or not the current no 1 on ladder is a "random" or not
[8:37pm] LonelyNess: so you're saying that despite the fact that you don't ladder, you check the ladders every day
[8:37pm] penguinx: no, i don't
[8:37pm] LonelyNess: to make sure that they aren't constantly changing
[8:37pm] LonelyNess: then shut
[8:37pm] LonelyNess: the fuck
[8:37pm] LonelyNess: up
[8:37pm] penguinx: lol
[8:37pm] LonelyNess: because you have no idea what you're talking about
[8:37pm] penguinx: i don't get your argument
[8:37pm] penguinx: whatsoever
[8:37pm] penguinx: but okay
[8:37pm] penguinx: !
[8:37pm] LonelyNess: you don't get to comment on the quality of the ladder if you don't ladder
[8:37pm] LonelyNess: and you don't get to comment on the quality of the top 5
[8:37pm] penguinx: quality of ladder is the reason i don't ladder
[8:37pm] LonelyNess: if you don't actually play against the top 5 or know who they are
[8:38pm] LonelyNess: "ok"
[8:38pm] LonelyNess: you still dont' ladder
[8:38pm] LonelyNess: you haven o idea what you're talking about
[8:38pm] LonelyNess: so shut the fuck up