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  1. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> limited freedom isn't freedom...
  2. <LoverofAllah> I know but
  3. <elchinaski> how con something that is OMNIpotent
  4. <LoverofAllah> its kinda hard to explain
  5. <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: tell that to the society which guards against yelling fire in a theatre
  6. <elchinaski> not have all-powerful power over my actions?
  7. <elchinaski> that seems pretty straight up
  8. <elchinaski> OMNIpotent is pretty terminant
  9. <elchinaski> he is everything and he is behind everything
  10. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Yeah, still not total freedom, zamabe.
  11. <LoverofAllah> But do you think we were made to just drink and fuck girls everyday
  12. <elchinaski> how could I be free under such a god?
  13. <elchinaski> LoverofAllah: why would I think that?
  14. <elchinaski> is that what you want to do?
  15. <LoverofAllah> no
  16. <LoverofAllah> if i did
  17. <elchinaski> then why would you say it?
  18. <LoverofAllah> I would get my behind lashed 40 times
  19. <redfog> what makes you think that we think people where amde to start with?
  20. <Intyalle> elchinaski: omnipotent, sure... but that doesn't inherently specify the direction that power is aimed. If he wants free will to exist, then...
  21. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> by who?
  22. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> *whom?
  23. <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: still freedom
  24. <LoverofAllah> Administrastion
  25. <Intyalle> Not controlling our actions because he chooses not to is still not contorlling our action
  26. <Intyalle> s
  27. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> not... really zamabe, but ok. You go ahead and think that.
  28. <LoverofAllah> 90% of USA
  29. <LoverofAllah> Drink
  30. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> What's wrong with drinking?
  31. <LoverofAllah> have Sex without being married
  32. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> or sex really.
  33. <zamabe> LoverofAllah: done
  34. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> I mean, it's in all the abrahamic religions...
  35. <LoverofAllah> Drugs i mean
  36. <elchinaski> Nycto{Siouxsie}: wait a second
  37. <elchinaski> are you arguing against Freedom?
  38. <elchinaski> in general?
  39. <LoverofAllah> Me?
  40. <elchinaski> like "there is no freedom" is your point?
  41. <elchinaski> no, I mentioned a name
  42. <LoverofAllah> No
  43. <LoverofAllah> Oh ok
  44. <redfog> irrelevant "freedom" is irrelevant :p
  45. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> no elchinaski, I am saying that a limitation on freedom immediately makes it NOT freedom. zamabe was talking about yelling fire in a theatre, and I said that yes, that makes it not freedom.
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  47. <elchinaski> Nycto{Siouxsie}:
  48. <elchinaski> you don't have the freedom
  49. <elchinaski> to walk through a wall
  50. <elchinaski> so youre not free?
  51. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> It's not total freedom then, is it?
  52. <elchinaski> you're the one saying that total freedom is the only possible freedom
  53. <elchinaski> not me
  54. <elchinaski> I don't think that the fact that I cannot walk through a wall goes against freedom
  55. <redfog> define freedom :p
  56. <LoverofAllah> How is that christians rarley even pray?
  57. <LoverofAllah> Who is their god?
  58. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> e.e fine, there is TRUE freedom, which is having no limits or control over you, and then REALISTIC freedom, which is having no control on this plane of reality.
  59. <Rinsaikeru> Some pray often
  60. <Rinsaikeru> Some do rarely
  61. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Allah, Yahweh, same guy yo.
  62. <Rinsaikeru> They don't happen to be on a schedule
  63. <LoverofAllah> Compared to other religons
  64. <mjao> i know my dad prays usually about 7x a day
  65. <LoverofAllah> its nothing
  66. <LoverofAllah> But it makes me sooo sad
  67. <redfog> and
  68. <Rinsaikeru> Why is it a competition for you?
  69. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> What's the big deal with prayer, anyway? I mean, what does god get out of it?
  70. <LoverofAllah> Me?
  71. <Rinsaikeru> Is it the prayer Olympics?
  72. <redfog> the things other religions dont do supports yours how?
  73. <LoverofAllah> Huh?
  74. <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: freedom is a granted thing, otherwise you would not need to speak of "total freedom." Speech in America is a freedom, and it comes with a few restrictions, but to call it restrictive to the point of no longer qualifying to be a freedom is crazy
  75. <redfog> LoverofAllah> critisizing other people and/or religions does nothing to offer support for your own
  76. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> I am asking "what is the big deal with prayer?"
  77. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> zamabe, the very definition of the word freedom means that you have no restrictions.
  78. <LoverofAllah> Because
  79. <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: the man leaving prison is free, no?
  80. <redfog> brb
  81. <LoverofAllah> Thats what my lord decrees
  82. <elchinaski> Nycto{Siouxsie}: it means that no other PEOPLE are IMPOSING restrictions on you
  83. <elchinaski> not that you have no restrictions
  84. <LoverofAllah> OK
  85. <LoverofAllah> who will become muslim?
  86. <LoverofAllah> :D
  87. <redfog> rofl
  88. <LoverofAllah> Redfog
  89. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freedom
  90. <LoverofAllah> What is your opinion on muslims
  91. <Intyalle> Nobody will, because this is a terrible place to come preach
  92. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> "the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action "
  93. <elchinaski> Nycto{Siouxsie}: dude, dictionaries, really?
  94. <LoverofAllah> lol
  95. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Well, we are talking about what a word means
  96. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> so yes.
  97. <Intyalle> And going around preaching to random people on the internet is a terrible way to get converts
  98. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> The dictionary.
  99. <elchinaski> yeah, what does a dictionary have to do with that?
  100. <LoverofAllah> I started this whole freedom thing
  101. <redfog> LoverofAllah> you'll have to awit a few min, im in a game atm
  102. <elchinaski> no, the dictionary reflects common usages of the word
  103. <elchinaski> not MEANINGS
  104. <elchinaski> a meaning has to be worked out
  105. <elchinaski> like
  106. <LoverofAllah> What I meant by freedom
  107. <elchinaski> if we started using Freedom
  108. <elchinaski> to mean "Pie"
  109. <LoverofAllah> Is that
  110. <elchinaski> and we did it enough
  111. <elchinaski> the dictionary would reflect that
  112. <LoverofAllah> a person can do what ever they want in life
  113. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> wow. ok, I guess you don't want to use the common usage, so let's just make up what words mean and ignore what everyone else is talking about.
  114. <LoverofAllah> If you refuse the oneness of god
  115. <elchinaski> no Nycto{Siouxsie} what I say
  116. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> I had a leprichan of a day when I warbled my slinkey.
  117. <elchinaski> is that people
  118. <elchinaski> misinterpret
  119. <LoverofAllah> You will be thrown in the fire
  120. <elchinaski> what they are meant to use the dictionary for
  121. <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: dude, you're backwards.
  122. <elchinaski> it is a tool to know new words
  123. <LoverofAllah> Not my problem
  124. <elchinaski> it is a tool for not speakers of the language
  125. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> You're the one who has no idea what the word "freedom" means, so...
  126. <Intyalle> Nycto{Siouxsie}: I hate when my slinkey warbles
  127. <elchinaski> or to amplify your vocabulary
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  130. <LoverofAllah> I did
  131. <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: you've been here trying to separate colloquial "freedom" from "total freedom"
  132. <elchinaski> or to get a very basic reference for a word
  133. <LoverofAllah> elchinaski
  134. <zamabe> #TYLERMANIA BEGINS
  135. <elchinaski> itsnot suposed to be a tool for gathering meanings in the context of a debate
  136. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Funny, I used the VERY FIRST colloquial definition for freedom, and hey, it matched mine.
  137. <elchinaski> if you want that you should probably use something more fleshed out as a source
  138. <LoverofAllah> what is your personal opinon on muslims?
  139. <elchinaski> yeah well it turns out that the defition is 3 words long. It says "necessity", for example
  140. <elchinaski> would you like to flesh out that "necessity" bit and see how it breaks down
  141. <elchinaski> like 3 steps out of the door?
  142. <elchinaski> because I need some shit that I don't have, so I'm not free?
  143. <LoverofAllah> You guys are still talking about freedom?
  144. <Intyalle> LoverofAllah: Again, this is a debate channel, not a pulpit. Preach somewhere else
  145. <LoverofAllah> You are all freeeeeeeeeeeee
  146. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Could try to convert me in PM, I wouldn't mind.
  147. <LoverofAllah> me?
  148. <LoverofAllah> goooooood
  149. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> but seriously, yes, elchinaski, according to what the word means, you are not free if you can't walk through walls. You are not free to walk through walls.
  150. <elchinaski> but that is not the meaning of freedom you are getting at. I'm free, but I'm not free to walk through walls
  151. <elchinaski> both are true
  152. <elchinaski> so whats up with that?
  153. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> no, you're not, because you have a restriction.
  154. <elchinaski> so theres no freedom
  155. <Rinsaikeru> That's not what anyone would take to mean by freedom Nycto{Siouxsie}
  156. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> As soon as you have a restriction, you are not actually free.
  157. <Rinsaikeru> Aside from you apparently
  158. <elchinaski> your argument, is, indeed
  159. <elchinaski> that freedom doesn't exist
  160. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Rinsaikeru, that's what the dictionary said, so...
  161. <elchinaski> or what am I missing?
  162. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Well yeah, freedom doesn't exist, it's a mental construct, but that's anther argument.
  163. <elchinaski> I don't see how it is another argument
  164. <elchinaski> then, also, immediately
  165. <elchinaski> you say "mental construct"
  166. <Rinsaikeru> For the same word
  167. <elchinaski> and that's also quite polemic
  168. <elchinaski> everything "is a mental construct"
  169. <Rinsaikeru> And not all dictionaries define things the same way
  170. <LoverofAllah> What would do for a clondike bar?
  171. <Rinsaikeru> Yours, as a definition doesn't seem applicable here to me
  172. <elchinaski> LoverofAllah: I would convert to Islamism
  173. <LoverofAllah> lool
  174. <elchinaski> I would allahu akbar the shit out of some imperialist pigs
  175. <elchinaski> for a klondike bar
  176. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> My definition from the people who are the authority of what a definition is... is not applicable here.
  177. <LoverofAllah> LOL
  178. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> just because some people don't like it.
  179. <elchinaski> Nycto{Siouxsie}: what exactly is they ultimate authority on MEANING?
  180. <elchinaski> who gives out this "authority of meaning"?
  181. <elchinaski> can I sign up?
  182. <elchinaski> again,people treat the dictionary
  183. <elchinaski> as it is some sort of metaphisical device of truth
  184. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> meaning is a social construct, and the definition reflects it. And, if you go against the definition, you are going against the social construct, and thus, the meaning.
  185. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> so you are wrong in your meaning and your definition.
  186. <elchinaski> well, but what you are saying
  187. <LoverofAllah> FUN FACT:Surrender Submission Obedience Sincerity Peace=ISLAM
  188. <elchinaski> is that we have a concept, "freedom"
  189. <elchinaski> that is basically useless
  190. <elchinaski> because nothing is ever free
  191. <elchinaski> so we may just cross the word out of language
  192. <elchinaski> and just use "is able to" in certain phrasings
  193. <elchinaski> because there is no freedom because everything has restrictions
  194. <elchinaski> how does that make sense?
  195. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Why would it be useless? It inspired many great things, including that of many countries. People have killed themselves for the ideals of what freedom implies.
  196. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> uh yeah
  197. <elchinaski> yeah, and you know what they DIDNT imply?
  198. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> freedom doesn't exist.
  199. <elchinaski> walking through walls
  200. <elchinaski> they didn't die to be able to walk through walls
  201. <redfog> using the term feredo mwhe nyou mena unlimited agency is a bit meh
  202. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> walking through walls is a limitation, therefore, restricts your freedom, making you not truly free.
  203. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Not that hard to get.
  204. <elchinaski> ok
  205. <elchinaski> so lets go out
  206. <elchinaski> and fight the revolutionary fight
  207. <elchinaski> for my right to walk through walls
  208. <elchinaski> because that's what freedom means
  209. <elchinaski> you're not making any sense man
  210. <elchinaski> there is SUCH A THING as "Freedom" that doesnt imply "Totally unrestrcited freedom"
  211. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> You're just confused because a word meant something that you didn't think it meant.
  212. <zamabe> You're the confused one here
  213. <elchinaski> I think it's quite clear you're confused because you're headstrongly insisting on using a one line definition
  214. <elchinaski> of a word
  215. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> That's not true freedom, that's the freedom within the bounds of reality. Catch up.
  216. <elchinaski> that has a complex, historical meaning
  217. <elchinaski> and I don't like the dismissive tone
  218. <elchinaski> I'm very much catched up
  219. <elchinaski> thank you very much
  220. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> You're confused because you can't understand my very simple proposition, and reacted emotionally rather than thinking about it.
  221. <elchinaski> for the suggestion
  222. <elchinaski> how am I emotional?
  223. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> It's pretty implied.
  224. <elchinaski> you're the one with the dismissy douche tone dude
  225. <elchinaski> oh, its IMPLIED
  226. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> If not, feel free to ignore that statement.
  227. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> See? the caps.
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  229. <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: you don't respond with anything
  230. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Makes you seem angry.
  231. <elchinaski> yes, now I am angry because youre putting words in my mouth
  232. <elchinaski> through "implication"
  233. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> where zamabe?
  234. <elchinaski> and that'spersonal
  235. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> yeah, because you keep typing in caps
  236. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> implies that you are yelling, which means you are angry.
  237. <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: you either say that you're talking about the colloquial word, or you're talking about "total freedom" depending on how anyone talks about freedom. You don't get to have both sides
  238. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> *shrug* don't see how you wouldn't think that.
  239. <zamabe> <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: freedom is a granted thing, otherwise you would not need to speak of "total freedom." Speech in America is a freedom, and it comes with a few restrictions, but to call it restrictive to the point of no longer qualifying to be a freedom is crazy
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  241. <zamabe> kthx
  242. <elchinaski> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/compatibilism/
  243. <elchinaski> catch up Nycto{Siouxsie}
  244. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> zamabe, my proposition is that the true meaning of the word freedom means that there are no restrictions placed on the free person. As soon as you have a restriction, it is not TRUELY freedom. The reality of this world is that we cannot walk through walls or do as we please, so we have the real-world example of what freedom is. But this is not actually freedom, as that is impossible.
  245. <zamabe> see, now you're talking about "total freedom"
  246. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> I have been the whole time.
  247. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> And I have said so many times.
  248. <elchinaski> that's not what freedom means
  249. <zamabe> do it better, then.
  250. <mjao> that's not the meaning of freedom as usually used, Nycto{Siouxsie}
  251. <elchinaski> inb4 dictionary
  252. <mjao> i think you should come up with a new term
  253. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> That's not what freedom means... yeah, I was using the definition of the word, and I used it properly.
  254. <elchinaski> the "definition"
  255. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> from webster.
  256. <elchinaski> its like
  257. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> yes.
  258. <elchinaski> yeah, you don't seem to get what dictionaries ARE
  259. <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: now you're saying that's what colloquial freedom means
  260. <zamabe> good job
  261. <elchinaski> its like saying "I'm using the definition of EXISTENCIALISM"
  262. <zamabe> you've played both sides again
  263. <elchinaski> and you paste
  264. <elchinaski> the dictionary definition of exitencialism
  265. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> You seem to hold more faith into the meanings of the words when they suit you and you feel like changing them, rather than what everyone else agrees a word means.
  266. <elchinaski> that's gonna be wrong
  267. <elchinaski> its like going into a political sciences debate and saying "Democracy"
  268. <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: this is not how words work
  269. <elchinaski> and pasting the dictionary definition of democracy
  270. <elchinaski> it would be WRONG
  271. <elchinaski> plain wrong
  272. <zamabe> dictionaries are not prescriptive, so piss the fuck off
  273. <elchinaski> dictionary definitions are initial, basic, incomplete notions
  274. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> I never played both sides, you lot are confusing the coloquial, real world application of "freedom" with the idea of no restrictions whatsoever, being the real definition of freedom.
  275. <redfog> back
  276. <elchinaski> to provide some guidance as some of the possible meanings of the work
  277. <zamabe> dictionaries are not prescriptive, so piss the fuck off
  278. <elchinaski> no
  279. <elchinaski> that's not the "real world application of freedom" dude
  280. <mjao> Nycto{Siouxsie}: tell me how you decided which definition was 'real'
  281. <elchinaski> *word
  282. <elchinaski> he webstered the shit out of it mjao
  283. <redfog> lol
  284. <elchinaski> of course we are supposed to take a one-line definition of the "Freedom" concept as final
  285. <elchinaski> and just work with that
  286. <redfog> as i asid before, freedom is not the ebst word to use whe nyour actually talking about agency :p
  287. <zamabe> oooooh
  288. <Intyalle> From a link that had, what, 7-9 different definitions of freedom, no less?
  289. * zamabe gives and internet point to redfog
  290. <zamabe> an
  291. <mjao> yeah, tons of definitions
  292. <elchinaski> Nycto{Siouxsie}: so if I go into Webster and read the definitions of "Economics", "Market", "Offer", "Demand", I know economics?
  293. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Are you people just butthurt because someone out pedantic-ed you? Seriously. I used the word, and I used a proper definition of the word, the proper meaning. Now you are all ass chapped because it didn't fit into what you *thought* the word meant. If you looked it up and the dictionary matched your point of view, you would be singing nothing but praises for the dictionary, and you know it.
  294. <zamabe> elchinaski--
  295. <zamabe> elchinaski: your prompt should be that you know definitively what they mean
  296. <zamabe> not what they are
  297. <zamabe> not that you know them*
  298. <redfog> so, LoverofAllah, still here?
  299. <mjao> and that's not including the people who say 'submit your will to [xxxx] and you will have TRUUUUE freedom'
  300. <elchinaski> sorry I don't understand what you said
  301. <elchinaski> zamabe:
  302. <Intyalle> Nycto{Siouxsie}: You're trying to label one definition as real and the rest is not... and to back it up you gave a dictionary entry with, like 7-9 different definitions
  303. <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: > > > dictionaries are not prescriptive, so piss the fuck off
  304. <mjao> Also you need to consider the historical use of freedom, and how the word is presently used
  305. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> zambe, you can sit on it and twist. Repetition isn't an argument.
  306. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Especially when you just tell someone to piss off.
  307. <zamabe> the irony
  308. * zamabe grills it up for dinner
  309. <mjao> <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Repetition isn't an argument.
  310. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> So if you can't actually make a solid case, then shut your cock breathed mouth and keep the cum between your ears.
  311. <mjao> new title quote?
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  319. * Now talking on #debate
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  323. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> way to bait someone.
  324. <zamabe> mjao: trying
  325. <mjao> ah
  326. <zamabe> bah
  327. <zamabe> topic, not title
  328. * zamabe has changed the topic to: Rules : Be Polite. Try not to Swamp People. If you want a more subdued or private debate ask a mod. To change your name type /nick yournewname [ <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Repetition isn't an argument. ]
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  330. <redfog> lol
  331. <mjao> ah, yeah, just scrolled up
  332. <mjao> submit to allah for true freedom
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  334. <redfog> preacher left eh
  335. <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: baiting? that'd be good for bans, not kicks for telling someone to fuck themselves and get fucked and ..... mmmmm, semen tea sounds good right now, right ConShaunnery?
  336. <mjao> :/
  337. <mjao> i think that people saying 'submit to x for true freedom' should replace freedom with fulfilment
  338. <mjao> because the point is to sacrifice some of your freedom for a higher goal, i thought
  339. <redfog> eh, he seemed like typivcal "never had a serious discussion of the topic before" theist
  340. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> You kept telling me to piss off, you started it.
  341. <Intyalle> Possibly, mjao. Though I can see where the use of freedom there comes from
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  343. <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: no you started it!!
  344. <redfog> but you did pss off you!
  345. <Intyalle> Freedom from choice can, for some, feel very... well, freeing :P
  346. <mib_8hy345> lol
  347. <mjao> That is true, Intyalle
  348. <mib_8hy345> Allah is one
  349. <zamabe> Allah is two
  350. <redfog> welcome back
  351. <zamabe> Count with Allah!
  352. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> I "started" it because I said something you disagreed with.
  353. <mjao> allah aint shit compared to wu-tang
  354. <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: see you started it!!
  355. <redfog> so, mib_8hy345, why should i be convinced of your god and religion?
  356. <Intyalle> mjao: After all, that's pretty much the whole point of being a sub
  357. <zamabe> Intyalle: a what
  358. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Seriously, I have seen more, worse insults thrown around here, including towards me.
  359. <mjao> submarine zamabe
  360. <Intyalle> lol
  361. <mjao> :p
  362. <zamabe> wooooooooooooo!
  363. <Intyalle> Submissive :P
  364. <zamabe> Intyalle: oh good, it's not just me!
  365. <zamabe> or maybe it is
  366. * zamabe shuts back up
  367. <Intyalle> What's not just you?
  368. <Intyalle> You've lost me now :P
  369. <zamabe> nope nope nope
  370. <mjao> zamabe: me 2
  371. <Rinsaikeru> Your insult was homophobic tripe
  372. <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: you big fat meanie cock!
  373. <Rinsaikeru> And now two ops have told you it's unwanted
  374. * mib_8hy345 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  375. <elchinaski> the optimal way this would've gone is just grant the freedom thing
  376. <elchinaski> talk about political and personal freedom
  377. <elchinaski> and just move on
  378. * mib_65rihl (~cgiirc@ChatSpike95squk.sub-70-193-136.myvzw.com) has joined
  379. <elchinaski> dictionarists drive me fucking nuts tho
  380. <mjao> i think that it's freeing in not a 'freedom' sense but in a freedom from worry sense Intyalle
  381. <mjao> which is a different sense of the word so when people say it i guess it's kind of misleading
  382. <mainstreet> freedom is right in your 'not-freedom' explanation
  383. <mainstreet> so very misleading indeed
  384. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> It was homophobic trite, and I apologize for it.
  385. <mjao> not a colloquial freedom sense, mainstreet
  386. <mainstreet> moo
  387. <mjao> i should've clarified that
  388. <mjao> not in a 'merica freedom sense
  389. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Honestly, it's the best I could come up with on the spurr of the moment, because I am pretty riled up.
  390. * mib_65rihl has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
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  392. <Intyalle> mjao: I'll grant it could be considered misleading, hence I did agree fufillment is probably a better word to use than freedom
  393. <mjao> ah
  394. <skippydippy> omg
  395. <mjao> yeah
  396. <mjao> hi skippydippy
  397. <skippydippy> Yall are still on freedom?
  398. <mjao> yup
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  400. <skippydippy> Allah
  401. <Rinsaikeru> It's a debate channel, we debate here
  402. <skippydippy> is one
  403. <redfog> skippydippy> why?
  404. <mjao> some big definition drama earlier
  405. <Intyalle> Freedom describes the feeling in question very well though, so... it could go either way I guess, imo
  406. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Becuase words can mean whatever is convenient, apparently.
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  409. <elchinaski> some guys would argue in favor of a sort of radical human freedom
  410. <mainstreet> We often arbitrarily dictate freedom as some high goal-in-itself for humanity
  411. <elchinaski> like humans are free period
  412. <mainstreet> when that's really not the case
  413. <elchinaski> you are "free in your head"
  414. <mainstreet> humans want prosperity and happiness
  415. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> because dictionaries are stupid when they disagree with your opinion, so you can choose to make things mean whatever you want.
  416. <elchinaski> whatever they may do to you
  417. <mainstreet> freedom is a good way to help get that
  418. <skippydippy> I started the whole freedom thing
  419. <elchinaski> dictionaries in debates are stupid in general
  420. <mainstreet> but that's all it is
  421. <skippydippy> Just so you guys know
  422. * You have been kicked from #debate by Rinsaikeru ()
  423. * Disconnected ()
  424. * Nycto{Siouxsie} sets mode +i on Nycto{Siouxsie}
  425. * Nycto{Siouxsie} sets mode +x on Nycto{Siouxsie}
  426. * Nycto{Siouxsie} sets mode +w on Nycto{Siouxsie}
  427. -NickServ- Welcome to ChatSpike, Nycto{Siouxsie}! Here on ChatSpike, we provide services to enable the registration of nicknames and channels! For details, type /msg NickServ help and /msg ChanServ help.
  428. * Now talking on #debate
  429. * Topic for #debate is: Rules : Be Polite. Try not to Swamp People. If you want a more subdued or private debate ask a mod. To change your name type /nick yournewname [ <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Repetition isn't an argument. ]
  430. * Topic for #debate set by zamabe!zamabe@ChatSpike8mksid.inderagamono.net (Sun Dec 21 22:58:42 2014)
  431. <redfog> skippydippy> so, wht god and why your religion?
  432. <elchinaski> unless its like you OPEN the discussion
  433. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> the fuck was that for?
  434. <mjao> skippydippy: you're lover_of_allah?
  435. <skippydippy> Islam
  436. <skippydippy> Yes<mainstreet> if more freedom meant less happiness, we wouldn't value freedom
  437. <skippydippy> What I meant by freedom is thatt
  438. <mainstreet> or rather
  439. <skippydippy> Everything has its own freedom to a certain extent
  440. <mainstreet> even if it meant the same amount, we wouldn't value it
  441. <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Rinsaikeru, why did you kick me?
  442. <redfog> skippydippy> but why?
  443. <mainstreet> it's part of why some oppressive regimes stay in power, because they keep their people happy somehow, or at least convince them that they're happier with them than without them
  444. <skippydippy> Why what?
  445. <elchinaski> take your pick lol
  446. <redfog> skippydippy> why should i be convinced of your god and religion?
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