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- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> limited freedom isn't freedom...
- <LoverofAllah> I know but
- <elchinaski> how con something that is OMNIpotent
- <LoverofAllah> its kinda hard to explain
- <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: tell that to the society which guards against yelling fire in a theatre
- <elchinaski> not have all-powerful power over my actions?
- <elchinaski> that seems pretty straight up
- <elchinaski> OMNIpotent is pretty terminant
- <elchinaski> he is everything and he is behind everything
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Yeah, still not total freedom, zamabe.
- <LoverofAllah> But do you think we were made to just drink and fuck girls everyday
- <elchinaski> how could I be free under such a god?
- <elchinaski> LoverofAllah: why would I think that?
- <elchinaski> is that what you want to do?
- <LoverofAllah> no
- <LoverofAllah> if i did
- <elchinaski> then why would you say it?
- <LoverofAllah> I would get my behind lashed 40 times
- <redfog> what makes you think that we think people where amde to start with?
- <Intyalle> elchinaski: omnipotent, sure... but that doesn't inherently specify the direction that power is aimed. If he wants free will to exist, then...
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> by who?
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> *whom?
- <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: still freedom
- <LoverofAllah> Administrastion
- <Intyalle> Not controlling our actions because he chooses not to is still not contorlling our action
- <Intyalle> s
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> not... really zamabe, but ok. You go ahead and think that.
- <LoverofAllah> 90% of USA
- <LoverofAllah> Drink
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> What's wrong with drinking?
- <LoverofAllah> have Sex without being married
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> or sex really.
- <zamabe> LoverofAllah: done
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> I mean, it's in all the abrahamic religions...
- <LoverofAllah> Drugs i mean
- <elchinaski> Nycto{Siouxsie}: wait a second
- <elchinaski> are you arguing against Freedom?
- <elchinaski> in general?
- <LoverofAllah> Me?
- <elchinaski> like "there is no freedom" is your point?
- <elchinaski> no, I mentioned a name
- <LoverofAllah> No
- <LoverofAllah> Oh ok
- <redfog> irrelevant "freedom" is irrelevant :p
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> no elchinaski, I am saying that a limitation on freedom immediately makes it NOT freedom. zamabe was talking about yelling fire in a theatre, and I said that yes, that makes it not freedom.
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- <elchinaski> Nycto{Siouxsie}:
- <elchinaski> you don't have the freedom
- <elchinaski> to walk through a wall
- <elchinaski> so youre not free?
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> It's not total freedom then, is it?
- <elchinaski> you're the one saying that total freedom is the only possible freedom
- <elchinaski> not me
- <elchinaski> I don't think that the fact that I cannot walk through a wall goes against freedom
- <redfog> define freedom :p
- <LoverofAllah> How is that christians rarley even pray?
- <LoverofAllah> Who is their god?
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> e.e fine, there is TRUE freedom, which is having no limits or control over you, and then REALISTIC freedom, which is having no control on this plane of reality.
- <Rinsaikeru> Some pray often
- <Rinsaikeru> Some do rarely
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Allah, Yahweh, same guy yo.
- <Rinsaikeru> They don't happen to be on a schedule
- <LoverofAllah> Compared to other religons
- <mjao> i know my dad prays usually about 7x a day
- <LoverofAllah> its nothing
- <LoverofAllah> But it makes me sooo sad
- <redfog> and
- <Rinsaikeru> Why is it a competition for you?
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> What's the big deal with prayer, anyway? I mean, what does god get out of it?
- <LoverofAllah> Me?
- <Rinsaikeru> Is it the prayer Olympics?
- <redfog> the things other religions dont do supports yours how?
- <LoverofAllah> Huh?
- <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: freedom is a granted thing, otherwise you would not need to speak of "total freedom." Speech in America is a freedom, and it comes with a few restrictions, but to call it restrictive to the point of no longer qualifying to be a freedom is crazy
- <redfog> LoverofAllah> critisizing other people and/or religions does nothing to offer support for your own
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> I am asking "what is the big deal with prayer?"
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> zamabe, the very definition of the word freedom means that you have no restrictions.
- <LoverofAllah> Because
- <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: the man leaving prison is free, no?
- <redfog> brb
- <LoverofAllah> Thats what my lord decrees
- <elchinaski> Nycto{Siouxsie}: it means that no other PEOPLE are IMPOSING restrictions on you
- <elchinaski> not that you have no restrictions
- <LoverofAllah> OK
- <LoverofAllah> who will become muslim?
- <LoverofAllah> :D
- <redfog> rofl
- <LoverofAllah> Redfog
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freedom
- <LoverofAllah> What is your opinion on muslims
- <Intyalle> Nobody will, because this is a terrible place to come preach
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> "the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action "
- <elchinaski> Nycto{Siouxsie}: dude, dictionaries, really?
- <LoverofAllah> lol
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Well, we are talking about what a word means
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> so yes.
- <Intyalle> And going around preaching to random people on the internet is a terrible way to get converts
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> The dictionary.
- <elchinaski> yeah, what does a dictionary have to do with that?
- <LoverofAllah> I started this whole freedom thing
- <redfog> LoverofAllah> you'll have to awit a few min, im in a game atm
- <elchinaski> no, the dictionary reflects common usages of the word
- <elchinaski> not MEANINGS
- <elchinaski> a meaning has to be worked out
- <elchinaski> like
- <LoverofAllah> What I meant by freedom
- <elchinaski> if we started using Freedom
- <elchinaski> to mean "Pie"
- <LoverofAllah> Is that
- <elchinaski> and we did it enough
- <elchinaski> the dictionary would reflect that
- <LoverofAllah> a person can do what ever they want in life
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> wow. ok, I guess you don't want to use the common usage, so let's just make up what words mean and ignore what everyone else is talking about.
- <LoverofAllah> If you refuse the oneness of god
- <elchinaski> no Nycto{Siouxsie} what I say
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> I had a leprichan of a day when I warbled my slinkey.
- <elchinaski> is that people
- <elchinaski> misinterpret
- <LoverofAllah> You will be thrown in the fire
- <elchinaski> what they are meant to use the dictionary for
- <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: dude, you're backwards.
- <elchinaski> it is a tool to know new words
- <LoverofAllah> Not my problem
- <elchinaski> it is a tool for not speakers of the language
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> You're the one who has no idea what the word "freedom" means, so...
- <Intyalle> Nycto{Siouxsie}: I hate when my slinkey warbles
- <elchinaski> or to amplify your vocabulary
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- <LoverofAllah> I did
- <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: you've been here trying to separate colloquial "freedom" from "total freedom"
- <elchinaski> or to get a very basic reference for a word
- <LoverofAllah> elchinaski
- <zamabe> #TYLERMANIA BEGINS
- <elchinaski> itsnot suposed to be a tool for gathering meanings in the context of a debate
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Funny, I used the VERY FIRST colloquial definition for freedom, and hey, it matched mine.
- <elchinaski> if you want that you should probably use something more fleshed out as a source
- <LoverofAllah> what is your personal opinon on muslims?
- <elchinaski> yeah well it turns out that the defition is 3 words long. It says "necessity", for example
- <elchinaski> would you like to flesh out that "necessity" bit and see how it breaks down
- <elchinaski> like 3 steps out of the door?
- <elchinaski> because I need some shit that I don't have, so I'm not free?
- <LoverofAllah> You guys are still talking about freedom?
- <Intyalle> LoverofAllah: Again, this is a debate channel, not a pulpit. Preach somewhere else
- <LoverofAllah> You are all freeeeeeeeeeeee
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Could try to convert me in PM, I wouldn't mind.
- <LoverofAllah> me?
- <LoverofAllah> goooooood
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> but seriously, yes, elchinaski, according to what the word means, you are not free if you can't walk through walls. You are not free to walk through walls.
- <elchinaski> but that is not the meaning of freedom you are getting at. I'm free, but I'm not free to walk through walls
- <elchinaski> both are true
- <elchinaski> so whats up with that?
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> no, you're not, because you have a restriction.
- <elchinaski> so theres no freedom
- <Rinsaikeru> That's not what anyone would take to mean by freedom Nycto{Siouxsie}
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> As soon as you have a restriction, you are not actually free.
- <Rinsaikeru> Aside from you apparently
- <elchinaski> your argument, is, indeed
- <elchinaski> that freedom doesn't exist
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Rinsaikeru, that's what the dictionary said, so...
- <elchinaski> or what am I missing?
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Well yeah, freedom doesn't exist, it's a mental construct, but that's anther argument.
- <elchinaski> I don't see how it is another argument
- <elchinaski> then, also, immediately
- <elchinaski> you say "mental construct"
- <Rinsaikeru> For the same word
- <elchinaski> and that's also quite polemic
- <elchinaski> everything "is a mental construct"
- <Rinsaikeru> And not all dictionaries define things the same way
- <LoverofAllah> What would do for a clondike bar?
- <Rinsaikeru> Yours, as a definition doesn't seem applicable here to me
- <elchinaski> LoverofAllah: I would convert to Islamism
- <LoverofAllah> lool
- <elchinaski> I would allahu akbar the shit out of some imperialist pigs
- <elchinaski> for a klondike bar
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> My definition from the people who are the authority of what a definition is... is not applicable here.
- <LoverofAllah> LOL
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> just because some people don't like it.
- <elchinaski> Nycto{Siouxsie}: what exactly is they ultimate authority on MEANING?
- <elchinaski> who gives out this "authority of meaning"?
- <elchinaski> can I sign up?
- <elchinaski> again,people treat the dictionary
- <elchinaski> as it is some sort of metaphisical device of truth
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> meaning is a social construct, and the definition reflects it. And, if you go against the definition, you are going against the social construct, and thus, the meaning.
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> so you are wrong in your meaning and your definition.
- <elchinaski> well, but what you are saying
- <LoverofAllah> FUN FACT:Surrender Submission Obedience Sincerity Peace=ISLAM
- <elchinaski> is that we have a concept, "freedom"
- <elchinaski> that is basically useless
- <elchinaski> because nothing is ever free
- <elchinaski> so we may just cross the word out of language
- <elchinaski> and just use "is able to" in certain phrasings
- <elchinaski> because there is no freedom because everything has restrictions
- <elchinaski> how does that make sense?
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Why would it be useless? It inspired many great things, including that of many countries. People have killed themselves for the ideals of what freedom implies.
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> uh yeah
- <elchinaski> yeah, and you know what they DIDNT imply?
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> freedom doesn't exist.
- <elchinaski> walking through walls
- <elchinaski> they didn't die to be able to walk through walls
- <redfog> using the term feredo mwhe nyou mena unlimited agency is a bit meh
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> walking through walls is a limitation, therefore, restricts your freedom, making you not truly free.
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Not that hard to get.
- <elchinaski> ok
- <elchinaski> so lets go out
- <elchinaski> and fight the revolutionary fight
- <elchinaski> for my right to walk through walls
- <elchinaski> because that's what freedom means
- <elchinaski> you're not making any sense man
- <elchinaski> there is SUCH A THING as "Freedom" that doesnt imply "Totally unrestrcited freedom"
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> You're just confused because a word meant something that you didn't think it meant.
- <zamabe> You're the confused one here
- <elchinaski> I think it's quite clear you're confused because you're headstrongly insisting on using a one line definition
- <elchinaski> of a word
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> That's not true freedom, that's the freedom within the bounds of reality. Catch up.
- <elchinaski> that has a complex, historical meaning
- <elchinaski> and I don't like the dismissive tone
- <elchinaski> I'm very much catched up
- <elchinaski> thank you very much
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> You're confused because you can't understand my very simple proposition, and reacted emotionally rather than thinking about it.
- <elchinaski> for the suggestion
- <elchinaski> how am I emotional?
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> It's pretty implied.
- <elchinaski> you're the one with the dismissy douche tone dude
- <elchinaski> oh, its IMPLIED
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> If not, feel free to ignore that statement.
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> See? the caps.
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- <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: you don't respond with anything
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Makes you seem angry.
- <elchinaski> yes, now I am angry because youre putting words in my mouth
- <elchinaski> through "implication"
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> where zamabe?
- <elchinaski> and that'spersonal
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> yeah, because you keep typing in caps
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> implies that you are yelling, which means you are angry.
- <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: you either say that you're talking about the colloquial word, or you're talking about "total freedom" depending on how anyone talks about freedom. You don't get to have both sides
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> *shrug* don't see how you wouldn't think that.
- <zamabe> <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: freedom is a granted thing, otherwise you would not need to speak of "total freedom." Speech in America is a freedom, and it comes with a few restrictions, but to call it restrictive to the point of no longer qualifying to be a freedom is crazy
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- <zamabe> kthx
- <elchinaski> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/compatibilism/
- <elchinaski> catch up Nycto{Siouxsie}
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> zamabe, my proposition is that the true meaning of the word freedom means that there are no restrictions placed on the free person. As soon as you have a restriction, it is not TRUELY freedom. The reality of this world is that we cannot walk through walls or do as we please, so we have the real-world example of what freedom is. But this is not actually freedom, as that is impossible.
- <zamabe> see, now you're talking about "total freedom"
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> I have been the whole time.
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> And I have said so many times.
- <elchinaski> that's not what freedom means
- <zamabe> do it better, then.
- <mjao> that's not the meaning of freedom as usually used, Nycto{Siouxsie}
- <elchinaski> inb4 dictionary
- <mjao> i think you should come up with a new term
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> That's not what freedom means... yeah, I was using the definition of the word, and I used it properly.
- <elchinaski> the "definition"
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> from webster.
- <elchinaski> its like
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> yes.
- <elchinaski> yeah, you don't seem to get what dictionaries ARE
- <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: now you're saying that's what colloquial freedom means
- <zamabe> good job
- <elchinaski> its like saying "I'm using the definition of EXISTENCIALISM"
- <zamabe> you've played both sides again
- <elchinaski> and you paste
- <elchinaski> the dictionary definition of exitencialism
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> You seem to hold more faith into the meanings of the words when they suit you and you feel like changing them, rather than what everyone else agrees a word means.
- <elchinaski> that's gonna be wrong
- <elchinaski> its like going into a political sciences debate and saying "Democracy"
- <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: this is not how words work
- <elchinaski> and pasting the dictionary definition of democracy
- <elchinaski> it would be WRONG
- <elchinaski> plain wrong
- <zamabe> dictionaries are not prescriptive, so piss the fuck off
- <elchinaski> dictionary definitions are initial, basic, incomplete notions
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> I never played both sides, you lot are confusing the coloquial, real world application of "freedom" with the idea of no restrictions whatsoever, being the real definition of freedom.
- <redfog> back
- <elchinaski> to provide some guidance as some of the possible meanings of the work
- <zamabe> dictionaries are not prescriptive, so piss the fuck off
- <elchinaski> no
- <elchinaski> that's not the "real world application of freedom" dude
- <mjao> Nycto{Siouxsie}: tell me how you decided which definition was 'real'
- <elchinaski> *word
- <elchinaski> he webstered the shit out of it mjao
- <redfog> lol
- <elchinaski> of course we are supposed to take a one-line definition of the "Freedom" concept as final
- <elchinaski> and just work with that
- <redfog> as i asid before, freedom is not the ebst word to use whe nyour actually talking about agency :p
- <zamabe> oooooh
- <Intyalle> From a link that had, what, 7-9 different definitions of freedom, no less?
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- <zamabe> an
- <mjao> yeah, tons of definitions
- <elchinaski> Nycto{Siouxsie}: so if I go into Webster and read the definitions of "Economics", "Market", "Offer", "Demand", I know economics?
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Are you people just butthurt because someone out pedantic-ed you? Seriously. I used the word, and I used a proper definition of the word, the proper meaning. Now you are all ass chapped because it didn't fit into what you *thought* the word meant. If you looked it up and the dictionary matched your point of view, you would be singing nothing but praises for the dictionary, and you know it.
- <zamabe> elchinaski--
- <zamabe> elchinaski: your prompt should be that you know definitively what they mean
- <zamabe> not what they are
- <zamabe> not that you know them*
- <redfog> so, LoverofAllah, still here?
- <mjao> and that's not including the people who say 'submit your will to [xxxx] and you will have TRUUUUE freedom'
- <elchinaski> sorry I don't understand what you said
- <elchinaski> zamabe:
- <Intyalle> Nycto{Siouxsie}: You're trying to label one definition as real and the rest is not... and to back it up you gave a dictionary entry with, like 7-9 different definitions
- <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: > > > dictionaries are not prescriptive, so piss the fuck off
- <mjao> Also you need to consider the historical use of freedom, and how the word is presently used
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> zambe, you can sit on it and twist. Repetition isn't an argument.
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Especially when you just tell someone to piss off.
- <zamabe> the irony
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- <mjao> <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Repetition isn't an argument.
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> So if you can't actually make a solid case, then shut your cock breathed mouth and keep the cum between your ears.
- <mjao> new title quote?
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- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> way to bait someone.
- <zamabe> mjao: trying
- <mjao> ah
- <zamabe> bah
- <zamabe> topic, not title
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- <redfog> lol
- <mjao> ah, yeah, just scrolled up
- <mjao> submit to allah for true freedom
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- <redfog> preacher left eh
- <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: baiting? that'd be good for bans, not kicks for telling someone to fuck themselves and get fucked and ..... mmmmm, semen tea sounds good right now, right ConShaunnery?
- <mjao> :/
- <mjao> i think that people saying 'submit to x for true freedom' should replace freedom with fulfilment
- <mjao> because the point is to sacrifice some of your freedom for a higher goal, i thought
- <redfog> eh, he seemed like typivcal "never had a serious discussion of the topic before" theist
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> You kept telling me to piss off, you started it.
- <Intyalle> Possibly, mjao. Though I can see where the use of freedom there comes from
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- <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: no you started it!!
- <redfog> but you did pss off you!
- <Intyalle> Freedom from choice can, for some, feel very... well, freeing :P
- <mib_8hy345> lol
- <mjao> That is true, Intyalle
- <mib_8hy345> Allah is one
- <zamabe> Allah is two
- <redfog> welcome back
- <zamabe> Count with Allah!
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> I "started" it because I said something you disagreed with.
- <mjao> allah aint shit compared to wu-tang
- <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: see you started it!!
- <redfog> so, mib_8hy345, why should i be convinced of your god and religion?
- <Intyalle> mjao: After all, that's pretty much the whole point of being a sub
- <zamabe> Intyalle: a what
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Seriously, I have seen more, worse insults thrown around here, including towards me.
- <mjao> submarine zamabe
- <Intyalle> lol
- <mjao> :p
- <zamabe> wooooooooooooo!
- <Intyalle> Submissive :P
- <zamabe> Intyalle: oh good, it's not just me!
- <zamabe> or maybe it is
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- <Intyalle> What's not just you?
- <Intyalle> You've lost me now :P
- <zamabe> nope nope nope
- <mjao> zamabe: me 2
- <Rinsaikeru> Your insult was homophobic tripe
- <zamabe> Nycto{Siouxsie}: you big fat meanie cock!
- <Rinsaikeru> And now two ops have told you it's unwanted
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- <elchinaski> the optimal way this would've gone is just grant the freedom thing
- <elchinaski> talk about political and personal freedom
- <elchinaski> and just move on
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- <elchinaski> dictionarists drive me fucking nuts tho
- <mjao> i think that it's freeing in not a 'freedom' sense but in a freedom from worry sense Intyalle
- <mjao> which is a different sense of the word so when people say it i guess it's kind of misleading
- <mainstreet> freedom is right in your 'not-freedom' explanation
- <mainstreet> so very misleading indeed
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> It was homophobic trite, and I apologize for it.
- <mjao> not a colloquial freedom sense, mainstreet
- <mainstreet> moo
- <mjao> i should've clarified that
- <mjao> not in a 'merica freedom sense
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Honestly, it's the best I could come up with on the spurr of the moment, because I am pretty riled up.
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- <Intyalle> mjao: I'll grant it could be considered misleading, hence I did agree fufillment is probably a better word to use than freedom
- <mjao> ah
- <skippydippy> omg
- <mjao> yeah
- <mjao> hi skippydippy
- <skippydippy> Yall are still on freedom?
- <mjao> yup
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- <skippydippy> Allah
- <Rinsaikeru> It's a debate channel, we debate here
- <skippydippy> is one
- <redfog> skippydippy> why?
- <mjao> some big definition drama earlier
- <Intyalle> Freedom describes the feeling in question very well though, so... it could go either way I guess, imo
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Becuase words can mean whatever is convenient, apparently.
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- <elchinaski> some guys would argue in favor of a sort of radical human freedom
- <mainstreet> We often arbitrarily dictate freedom as some high goal-in-itself for humanity
- <elchinaski> like humans are free period
- <mainstreet> when that's really not the case
- <elchinaski> you are "free in your head"
- <mainstreet> humans want prosperity and happiness
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> because dictionaries are stupid when they disagree with your opinion, so you can choose to make things mean whatever you want.
- <elchinaski> whatever they may do to you
- <mainstreet> freedom is a good way to help get that
- <skippydippy> I started the whole freedom thing
- <elchinaski> dictionaries in debates are stupid in general
- <mainstreet> but that's all it is
- <skippydippy> Just so you guys know
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- <redfog> skippydippy> so, wht god and why your religion?
- <elchinaski> unless its like you OPEN the discussion
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> the fuck was that for?
- <mjao> skippydippy: you're lover_of_allah?
- <skippydippy> Islam
- <skippydippy> Yes<mainstreet> if more freedom meant less happiness, we wouldn't value freedom
- <skippydippy> What I meant by freedom is thatt
- <mainstreet> or rather
- <skippydippy> Everything has its own freedom to a certain extent
- <mainstreet> even if it meant the same amount, we wouldn't value it
- <Nycto{Siouxsie}> Rinsaikeru, why did you kick me?
- <redfog> skippydippy> but why?
- <mainstreet> it's part of why some oppressive regimes stay in power, because they keep their people happy somehow, or at least convince them that they're happier with them than without them
- <skippydippy> Why what?
- <elchinaski> take your pick lol
- <redfog> skippydippy> why should i be convinced of your god and religion?
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